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Mormon Church Abandons Its Crusade Against Gay Marriage


Society & Culture  (tags: ghts, Mormon Church, culture, ethics, rights, gayrights, society, politics, usa, religion )

Cal
- 864 days ago - motherjones.com
Prop. 8 backlash has led the Latter Day Saints to soften their treatment of LGBT church members.



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lee e. (114)
Sunday April 14, 2013, 10:39 am
A change for the better, now if only people could renounce their myths - I think the world might be more tolerant of each other and accept humanity for the singular marvels that it could be!!
 

pam w. (138)
Sunday April 14, 2013, 11:21 am
You don't suppose their attorneys advised them to back off because they're in danger of losing their TAX EXEMPTIONS?
 

Dee C. (219)
Sunday April 14, 2013, 1:39 pm
I'd like to think they did it for the right reasons..I know just recently I saw an article about Marie Osmond be forthright about her daughter being gay..And when asked how that effected her belief..she simply stated her belief was about love..period..
 

. (0)
Sunday April 14, 2013, 2:13 pm
It's too bad this "acceptance" has to do with a dwindling congregation, and a suicide.
 

Winn Adams (216)
Sunday April 14, 2013, 2:16 pm
I don't trust them as far as I can throw them. . . .
 

Lois Jordan (60)
Sunday April 14, 2013, 5:01 pm
Noted. I agree the church didn't like the public backlash, and is responding the only way they can. They've done turnabouts on many issues over the decades....this doesn't make them sacrosanct.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday April 14, 2013, 5:03 pm
Noted. A good post. Thanks.
 

Hilary S. (66)
Sunday April 14, 2013, 6:09 pm
i do see this as a political move, though there is much to be said for doing the right thing even if it's for the wrong reasons
 

Jason S. (53)
Sunday April 14, 2013, 7:53 pm
Good posting, thanks
 

Bryna Pizzo (139)
Sunday April 14, 2013, 9:51 pm
Thank you for the good news. I hope the church is sincere.
 

Sonny Honrado (6)
Sunday April 14, 2013, 10:19 pm
Noted.
 

cathie S. (154)
Sunday April 14, 2013, 10:32 pm
noted nothing more
 

Nimue Pendragon (324)
Monday April 15, 2013, 12:44 am
Noted.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (466)
Monday April 15, 2013, 2:51 am
Which is bigger and tougher - GOD and the CHURCH and the revered Elders and the Holy Book and all the Sacred Rituals - and GOD -
or a bunch of loving LGBT people and Families?

Answer - the latter, of course! BIGGER, much bigger, than that narrow "GOD"!
Bigger and tougher and meaner and leaner and stronger and closer to the Truth.....
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (466)
Monday April 15, 2013, 3:06 am
"The church has been credited with almost single-handedly getting Prop. 8 passed, despite a well-funded opposition with backing from Hollywood.

Prop. 8 was a Pyrrhic victory for the Mormons, however. Their role, which the church sought to keep under wraps, was exposed by Karger, who tracked the individual donations pouring into the Yes on 8 campaign back to church members. LGBT activists responded by publicizing the church's involvement, running an ad, for example, showing fake Mormon missionaries knocking on the door of a lesbian couple and then rifling through their drawers and tearing up their marriage license.

The negative exposure prompted protests, and many Mormons publicly renounced their church membership."
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The Mormon Church was CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT in the campaign in Washington State, and other States, for Marriage Equality last election.
Many, many Mormons have Gay Family members - and they were REQUIRED to repudiate them. Which didn't exactly fit in with their vaunted "Family Values". I didn't know that Marie Osborne had a Gay child!

Congratulations to those Mormons, both Gay and Straight, who have fought hard, within the Church, for their family members' right to exist and to express themselves! {Gays still are supposed to be celibate, tho.}

Would be nice if the Mormon Church paid back some of the taxpayers' money that the battle over Prop.8 is costing California!

Funny that MARRIAGE EQUALITY, GAY MARRIAGE is showing up the HYPOCRISY of religions everywhere, in the most DEVASTATING way!!!
 

Beverly M. (88)
Monday April 15, 2013, 4:09 am
The Mormon church gave millions and fought hard to get Proposition 8 passed and I can't help but think they're more concerned about losing their tax-exempt status than accepting all their God's children with open arms.
 

Jo S. (589)
Monday April 15, 2013, 9:09 am
Ditto BMutiny and Beverly M. I smell something fishy here! I'm glad they are backing down tho.
 

Esther Z. (96)
Monday April 15, 2013, 12:38 pm
I agree with Beverly. The Mormon church just doesn't want to lose its tax exempt status, and it has nothing to do with moral righteousness. Religious institutions are big political machines that cater to the almighty dollar, more so, than to their religious purity. Nothing is sacred.....
 

Lynne Buckley (0)
Monday April 15, 2013, 12:39 pm
Noted.
 

Darren Woolsey (195)
Monday April 15, 2013, 12:55 pm
Thanks for sharing this. Maybe some Mormons aren't so bad after all...
 

Birgit W. (153)
Monday April 15, 2013, 3:19 pm
Really?
 

Sharon W. (4)
Monday April 15, 2013, 3:41 pm
Very good! Some more allies :)
 

Lindell Lovelace (1)
Monday April 15, 2013, 4:25 pm
Whoopee. I guess somebody heard from god, which is what happens whenever the Mormon church stands to gain or lose something from the Government. Polygamy, racism, and now sexual bigotry. Sometimes they make Scientology look mainstream.
 

Gloria H. (88)
Monday April 15, 2013, 6:39 pm
Maybe one of their own big cats has been "outted"? Can't wait to see next week's headlines in the National Enquirer!
 

DaleLovesOttawa O. (198)
Monday April 15, 2013, 8:05 pm
Yes, being part of the present century does help...
 

jo M. (3)
Monday April 15, 2013, 8:31 pm
Well, they gave it a good try, but it is beginning to be a losing battle and a great waste of money. Mormons are generally wonderful people, no matter what their personal views or the church's views on homosexuality.
 

Edith B. (145)
Monday April 15, 2013, 10:25 pm
I am happy to read this.
 

Inge Bjorkman (170)
Monday April 15, 2013, 11:45 pm
finally a step forward
 

Tas Tus (0)
Monday April 15, 2013, 11:51 pm
Great Article Shared
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 7:14 am
Oh, Please, they are evil not stupid. And this is not the first time. When polygamy became an untenable tenet, Bingo miracle message from God and the main LDS sect dropped it, after setting up polygamist enclaves such as the one run by Romney's grandfather. Again when being overt racist bastards be came untenable, Bingo another miracle message from God, and they are not overt anymore. Now they are simply going into the shadows to avoid the klieg light on their overt, active and well funded Homophobia and opposition to Marriage equality.
And one thing you must always remember when dealing with the Mornons of the LDS Church it is perfectly acceptable to LIE tononbelieverss to further the work/agenda of the Church. Approach them as one must the modern day Repug/Tea Bagged Party never ever trustbelievere what they say, only trust what they actually do. Those two things will almost never match and if they do check for strings attached. Also be aware that they have learned from the Catholic Church they claim in court to be either a Corporation or a Religion depending on which gives them the advantage. Fortunately the LDS Church does not have the extra Ace up the sleeve that the Catholic Church does. It can not claim to be a Sovereign Nation.
 

Anna Undebeck (241)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 9:04 am
Oh yeah!? Noted with some doubt i must say. Thanks Cal.
 

Joanne Dixon (33)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 12:27 pm
The picture with the article almost screams "This is a fairy tale!" In fact, when I first saw it, I thought it was a belated April Fool joke. But the full text makes me think rather of T. S. Eliot's famous quote from his verse play "Murder in the Cathedral":

The last temptation is the greatest treason,/
To do the right thing for the wrong reason.
 

Julie Cook (11)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 1:59 pm
I hope it's true.
 

Ellen J. (80)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 3:43 pm
I hope the change is true and permanent. Even if the change of heart is b/c it is politically expedient (that is, a correct change for the wrong reason), I am for them accepting gays into the church/religion/etc. Their change does smack of something fishy, so I'll keep a wary eye out.

I hope they will now admit to having gay Boy Scout leaders; the ones I know do a fine job and are excellent role models.
 

Fred Krohn (34)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 10:58 pm
Good start, now they need to quit mislabelling blacks as 'marked by Cain', scrap their other ethnic biases, and cease discriminating against women, all problems resulting from Joseph Smith's 'misinterpretation' of those 'golden pages' Moroni was supposed to have shown him. (Free plug for Ocean Research Library, free download of religious core documents from bahai-education.org , includes Bible, Book of Mormon, Q'uran, Baghvad-Ghita, Bhuddist, Tao, Sufi, Zoroastrian, and other religious texts. 'Make your own decisions from the actual books, don't just parrot the media's judgement on them!')
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 1:41 am
@LLOYD H - Were you paid a visit by the angel Moroniphobia?
"one thing you must always remember when dealing with the Mornons of the LDS Church it is perfectly acceptable to LIE tononbelieverss to further the work/agenda of the Church"
Deception in order to proselytize or to present the "truths" of one's religion to non-believers is a common trait of most religions. Didn't you know that this applies to almost every religion on the face of the earth?
Many LDS churches have made reformations in order to be more accepting to people, and you condemn them for that? I know some are still racist and that the LDS church is hugely responsible for the passing of Prop 8, but saying things like "Oh, Please, they are evil not stupid. And this is not the first time.",
"Again when being overt racist bastards be came untenable, Bingo another miracle message from God, and they are not overt anymore. Now they are simply going into the shadows to avoid the klieg light on their overt, active and well funded Homophobia and opposition to Marriage equality. ", " Approach them as one must the modern day Repug/Tea Bagged Party never ever trustbelievere what they say",
statements like these are painting a population of over 14 million people with a broad brush. I know these statements are not always true because I grew up knowing several Mormons in school, they were some of my best friends and I had dinners with their families and they were truly good people. They knew I was a lesbian and did not believe their faith and they were comfortable with me as a guest in their home. Yes they had some quirky, funny beliefs or superstitions, but they were decent, good human people. They never asked me to go to church with them, they never told me that I was a sinner, and they never handed me a Book of Mormon.
LLOYD H., when you make blanket statements as you did, you only add to the problem, not the solution. You cannot fight bigotry with bigotry.
"
 

Robyn Brice (4)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 2:31 am
Too little too late. The Mormons along with other groups did a lot of damage to the LGBT community. They used their money and their strength in numbers to push a homophobic agenda that would hurt countless numbers of innocent people.
Being the parent of a lesbian daughter, I am proud to stand up and defend the rights of all gay, lesbian, bi and transgender people out there.
The Mormons have decided to back off, great. I just wish that they had decided never to join the fight against marriage equality in the first place.
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 6:38 am
Julie D., my references were directed at the LDS Church because that Church is the one under discussion, not all of the others to which the same applies. I will not apologize for mentioning that they have a history of 'convenient divine revelations' when they do although this seems to be more PR campaign than actual change of religious dogma. Now as for the "evil not stupid" sorry if that bothers but it is factually true. You be well served to find the time to watch the documentary "8: The Mormon Proposition". Actual LDS Church documents prove that they are 'evil not stupid' beginning in 1996-7 in Hawaii with the push for an Amendment to the HI Constitution that would allow banning Marriage Equality. They intentionally with the collusion of the Catholic Church created and funded front groups and brought in other existent ones to achieve their agenda while remaining in the shadows. When that was a success and their money was well spent and there was no public backlash they decided that CA was ripe for the same.Then the LDS Church created whole cloth NOM, the National Organization for Marriage. They have intentionally and with malice of forethought done everything they have against Marriage Equality and the LGBT Community while diligently hiding their dirty hands and big checks. And when I see real proof that the LDS Church is not spending its own "tax exempt" monies illegally on political campaigns or pushing their wealth members to do it for them and that this 'for show only' PR Campaign actually results in the abandonment of their Homophobic Theocratic Agenda against GLBT rights I may change my mind. But I doubt it as so far it appears to be nothing more than wearing velvet gloves in public to cover up the brass knuckles they are going to use.
P.S. I just have to ask why all of your references to your Mormon friends are in the past tense as if you are speaking of the deceased.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 7:31 am
@LLOYD H., when you speak of Mormons in general you make blanket statements. As to your snide remark, because I don't see them very often and they're not deceased. Your sarcasm is charming. Yes the Mormon church itself as an organization is largely responsible for the passing of Prop 8 and the funding of hate-organizations, but the broad brush you paint 14 million of diverse people with is nothing but incendiary rhetoric and bigotry. Not all Mormons are Glenn Becks, Mitt Romneys, or Warren Jeffses.
 

Connie O. (46)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 11:50 am
noted
 

Lisa Sears (172)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 1:39 pm
What great news! and what astonishing news. Afraid this stance is not going to alleviate the hatred and righteous contempt that so many people will still hide behind.
 

Don Saito (10)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 2:00 pm
That's nice. They're still idiots.
 

Madeleine watt (243)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 2:14 pm
Great comments! Very interesting and informative article and commentary. Thank you everyone!
 

Edgar Zuim (47)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 3:44 pm
Excellent article. It seems that be a question of a merely political problem of internal order among Mormons and no, a preservation matter of moral values. Idiocy or convenience?
 

Barbara V. (51)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 9:49 pm
What for? Are the creeps working on some other vulnerable cause?
 

Kerryn Ayton (11)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 3:43 am
Thank goodness for LDS members taking a stand against their church for the LDS homophobic stance. After all isn't the church supposed to love all people? This is a wonderful step forward for LBGT persons & all of us who love them without ridiculous judgement. May other churches learn from the LDS experience.
 

James E. (16)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 5:52 am
A ray of hope and compassion.
 

Gloria picchetti (302)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 6:41 am
Maybe in an effort to keep the genealogical records right they decided to include gays. Now LDS can obtain adoption records.
 

Teresa W. (757)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 9:26 am
Is Mitt Romney going to run in the next elections and does he want to gather support?
 

tiffany t. (148)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 10:25 pm
noted but Mormon faith says it is ok to be LBTG but not to act on it, it is still considered a sin, so everyone should just live a life of celibacy. BS
 

Julie Cook (11)
Friday April 19, 2013, 7:10 am
Well, that's a great idea, (celibacy)! Just ask the Catholics how well that worked out. Thanks, Tiffany for the clarification.
 

Jay S. (120)
Friday April 19, 2013, 10:08 am
Lloyd H, what a load of bigotry you spout! YOU are always the one who jumps in to defend every hateful tenet and atrocity condoned and preached by Islam, but all Mormons are 'evil'? At least the Mormon church, in all its bigotry, doesn't call for the killing of gay people like Islam does.

Now, as the article says, maybe there will be some real Christian words and actions, for a change, from the Catholic leaders (whose members support gay rights over 70%, the same as among Mormons), and Baptists. And who knows, miracles do happen, maybe someday even Muslim authorities will renounce all the hate taught in Islam and reform it like Judaism has been reformed and is now one of the most progressive religions on earth. Highly unlikely, but we can dream...

BTW it is interesting to note that over 70% of Mormons polled support equal rights for LGBT people, and they support 'domestic partnerships with equal rights to marriage, but they, just many others, don't want it to be called 'marriage'. And there are 10 towns and cities in Utah that have anti-discrimination laws protecting LGBT people. It looks like the church, again, is responding to the grassroots, as religions normally have to do. Whatever - this is excellent news. A good beginning.

(We don't believe in any religion, but one of us was excommunicated from the Mormon church very cruelly some years ago for being openly gay - a blessing in disguise).
 
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