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MORONS! Background Checks Voted Down; Senate Gun Bill in Peril


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: gun control, Newtown Massacre, gun violence, children, news, government, ethics, media, lies, politics, americans )

Cal
- 499 days ago - cbsnews.com
In a major setback for gun control advocates, the Senate Wednesday voted down a key amendment to the embattled Democratic gun bill, signaling the increasingly dim prospects of any meaningful legislative action aimed at strengthening America's gun laws.



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Comments

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 3:17 pm

The poisonous venom of the NRA strikes fear in the hearts of cowards, once again.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 4:06 pm
"By the people, of the people and for the people"- unless, of course, you are a sheeple who owes your career to the NRA. They are indeed cowards and now they will have all of the future gun violence on their heads.
 

Alan Lambert (90)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 4:16 pm
It's going down this time, but eventually it will go through and the NRA will cry their eyes out...
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 5:14 pm
Thanks.
 

John B. (215)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 6:22 pm
Thanks Cal for posting the link to the article by Lucy Madison. Sad to see the amendment go down. Care2 just sent me an action alert regarding a petition to sign to get the Senate to bring the bill up again. Here in the URL they sent me: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/644/807/204/ Should that not take you to it just go to the Care2 Petition site and it will be listed as "Newest" Read and noted.

 

Laura H. (880)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 6:39 pm
Sick, sad, and disgusting!!! It's shameful how they use and abuse the Second Amendment too!!!
 

pam w. (191)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 6:53 pm
I am SO VERY TIRED of the NRA's toxic influence!
 

Jason S. (57)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 7:02 pm
Good posting, thanks
 

Susanne R. (249)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 8:25 pm
My disgust for those senators who voted against the will of the majority of American citizens --against those who voted them into office and to whom they owe their jobs and their loyalty-- can't be described! They've not only proven that they're cowards, but that they're cowards who can be bought. They don't deserve their titles or the trust placed in them by those they represent. Perhaps they should seek employment with the NRA. Oops. Never mind: they already work for them...and kiss their asses, too!

There was no credible reason to vote against this amendment to the gun bill. 90% of Americans agreed with it and so did 80% of gun owners. This wouldn't have affected anyone but criminals and the mentally ill. Nice going, traitors!

Mayor Bloomberg summed the situation up nicely: "More than 40 U.S. senators would rather turn their backs on the 90 percent of Americans who support comprehensive background checks than buck the increasingly extremist wing of the gun lobby," Bloomberg wrote. "Democrats - who are so quick to blame Republicans for our broken gun laws - could not stand united. And Republicans - who are so quick to blame Democrats for not being tough enough on crime - handed criminals a huge victory."

My sincerest condolences to the families who lost their beloved children and loved ones because our government has been rendered incapable of creating sensible gun laws due to the money and influence of the gun lobby. Rand Paul described you as "props," and that makes him one of the biggest "morons" of the bunch.
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 8:37 pm

The only ones using the families from NewTown as "Props" is Rand Paul. A slim excuse for declining to act.

This must be said; this was a chicken's way out, a gun bill that was "light" at best. This is what we have come to, the only amendment that anyone cares about is the second? Stupid actions will get stupid results.
 

Laura H. (880)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 8:40 pm
The tea baggers here on Care2 need to post something to defend their position on this matter...
 

Susan Allen (221)
Wednesday April 17, 2013, 10:56 pm
They're such idiots. But then, this is what happens when your legislative branch has been bought and paid for by wealthy extremists pushing an agenda which will make themselves richer while attempting to control the rest of us. It just isn't right.
 

Carol H. (229)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 4:52 am
noted and agreed!!!
 

John Gregoire (255)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 5:37 am
TEN Democrats and most Republicans in the US Senate are complete and utter COWARDS! Whatever happened to them representing us?????

Once again I must ask my friends -why do you continue to vote for these power hungry idiots of both parties??? In the end folks, it is OUR FAULT!
 

John Gregoire (255)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 5:38 am
Someone more tech svay than I should stat a petiton to all who voted down this legialation and list every one of their names and states. Let's get them out of office as they do not represent the American people.
 

John Gregoire (255)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 5:47 am
The Boston tragedy followed by this debacle is just too much for the emotions. A few years ago at a NASCAR event in Watkins Glen, NY we had to tell people in their NASCAR regalia to shut up and at least listen to the National Anthem! That unfortunately is all too typical of the American public.

Lat night at Boston Garden for a Celtics game, it started as usual with the singing of the anthem. A couple of lines into the anthem, the lead singer stopped and the crowd took over in full voice and accuracy. THE PLACE ROCKED! Thank you Bostonians.
 

Barbara D. (95)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 5:55 am
Aren't politicians supposed to be representing the voice of the majority of people?? What happened to democracy?
 

Gloria picchetti (286)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 5:55 am
Let kharma take care of them.
 

Tammy Baxter (9)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 6:05 am
thanks for sharing
 

Les M. (7)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 6:09 am
cal, thank you for your restraint in naming them "morons".
 

Ro H. (0)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 6:34 am
ty
 

John S. (301)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 6:46 am
I wonder if it would have pass if they didn't discuss all the amendments that we brought up. I for one found out something about change managenet. But I wonder if the chiding has done anything.
 

Kevin Synnott (0)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 7:52 am
I am the NRA.

The special interst group that seeks to ban private possession of firearms are the morons. The gun banners are the the ones standing behind armed security 24/7. Bloomberg is protected 24/7 by a special uniformed NYPD detail. However, Bloomberg does not trust the police and has his own private security.

Maybe, 0bama and his czars need backgroud checks. He has resisted all efforts to open his past for public inspection. Why?
 

Arielle S. (317)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 8:37 am
Well, NRA, how do you think you might feel if it was your family, your kids lying dead with 11 bullet holes in them?
Nobody said "ban all firearms" - they said there are too many morons out there and we need a few safety rules on who has what.... what possible reason do you have for an assault rifle?
 

Reggie Thomas (5)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 8:53 am
This just goes to show you who side the Republicans are willing to stand with and who they won't,Its crystal clear,the House of Representatives have fail the Families that fell to gun violences and the American People.The 2014 election for the Republicans don't look good at all,I can't see them getting any votes.Rand Paul said that the families of the victims in the Newtown shooting were being used as props by President Obama.What poor choice of words by Rand Paul.(O_O)
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 10:50 am
Bang! Bang! Bang! Just shot the Morons. Maybe now, they'll pass the bill???
 

Fred Krohn (34)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 12:33 pm
Good riddance to bad law proposals. All gun control is unconstitutional, un-American, and unacceptable. I prefer a bill prohibitting all gun control and assigning responsibility for each weapon to the person using it. Crime control means universal armament so criminals lose all advantage. This also means limitting government and banning socialism.
 

Kevin Synnott (0)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 2:26 pm
Listen to the private comments of those who support any more restrictions on firearms. It is all about banning the private possession of firearms.

How would I feel if one of my family members was shot by one of these lunatics? Well, it depends on the facts. I would be seriously upset if it was in one of the recent shootings.
Loughner - shot Representative Giffords and others. He was sending death threats to the police and they never found cause to arrest him.
Holmes - Aurora theater murderer. His psychiatrist notified the police about him because he was dangerous. She notified the police 6 weeks before the shooting and they had done nothing. NOTHING.
Virginia Tech shooter - he was referred to police by his English teacher for his scary essays. A judge ordered him to submit to a psychologica; exam, he did not submit and the judge forgot about it. He could have been jailed for contempt and placed on the no buy list. Also, he had stalked 2 women who reported him to police, however, they refused to press charges. Stalking is a misdemeanor, but it is enough to get you put on the no buy list.
Lanza - Newton shooter. He tried to buy a firearm and they told him to get lost because they knew him, which is why he took his mother's guns.
There was no back ground check for Lanza because he did not buy his weapons.
There were background checks on the others, but law enforcement had not placed him on the list nor bothered to confiscate the weapons they had.

Do we need more laws that Will Not Be Enforced?
Maybe we just need plain law enforcement.
 

Kevin Synnott (0)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 2:37 pm
More:

A 30-something year old man was detained and his firearms collection impounded because he had been posting pictures of himself and firearms on a social media site. Why is he different.?

At age 14 he killed his mother, firearms not involved. He was adjudicated delinquent which means he was naughty, just naughty and not even very naughty. He spent a couple years in a psych ward. None of this was put on his record and he was not prohibited from buying firearms. Because he was a minor and because of the time frame, law enforcement did not know about him.

Luckily, someone who knew the family saw his social media postings and called the Sheriff and another mass murder was more than likely avoided.

Everyone who buys a fire arm from a licensed firearms dealer has their name ran through the FBI computer and if law enforcement and the courts do their job everyone convicted of a felony and misdemeanors will have their name in that computer, as well as those with mental problems.

Skip the gunshow loophole garbage. If you buy from a FFL dealer, your name goes through the FBI computer. The show sponsors will not let anyone sell firearms inside without a FFL.
 

Kevin Synnott (0)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 2:49 pm
I am on a roll.

Who needs an assault weapon? What is an assault weapon?
If you go to a gun store and ask to buy an assault weapon they may suggust you leave or they may just laugh at you. Why? Because there is no such thing as an assault weapon. An assault weapon is a media fiction.

There has been a great deal of blather about the Bushmaster .223.
.223 refers to the caliber of the rifle and it is the smallest caliber that you can hunt deer with in my state. It is not recommended for game larger than a deer and many people consider it too small for deer.

Every firearm that can be purchased by 99.9% of the population requires the trigger to be pulled once for each round to be fired. Most civilians do not buy automatic weapons. A civilian needs a special federal firearms permit to own automatic weapons, it is expensive and requires an indepth background check. A background check that 0bama could not pass, nor could most of his 45 czars.
 

Birgit W. (144)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 3:35 pm
Sad! What would I need a gun for?
 

Eternal Gardener (738)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 3:47 pm
MORONS???
That's putting it far too nice!
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 4:27 pm
Noted. Thanks, Cal.
All my dad needed for his yearly hunting trips was a rifle...not a Bushmaster or even 10-cartridge clips. He was an NRA member for awhile, until he learned that they had switched their agenda and had collaborated with gun manufacturers. He brought home deer every year, which was cured by his mom and eventually made into venison.
I'm glad McCain at least voted for the background checks. My other Sen.(Flake) has now gotten many, many messages from constituents that are very unhappy with his vote. The Dem. Sen's that voted against this were Pryor, Heitkamp, Begich, Baucus & Reid. They should all be primaried. Other members of the GOP voted in favor of background checks: Toomey, Collins & Kirk.
I've read comments at several sites today and have been greatly disappointed to see the NRA machine is desperately at work everywhere. They are a tiny minority of Americans hell-bent on being complicit in more murders of innocents. I believe many are paid to comment on different sites, because I can't believe anyone with a conscience could be so cold and heartless. It's just all about the money. I saw where one of the big gun manufacturers here is now seeking to purchase another big gun manufacturing corp.
 

Thomas P. (468)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 4:48 pm
Noted...thanks Cal. Laura...you got your wish above, rife with misinformation, distortion, and lies...almost the whole Teabagger playbook (the only thing missing above is the racism, but they are saving that for their opposition to immigration reform). I pray that there are not more mass shootings in this country, but the likelihood is that there will be, particularly with all the Republicans (and a few Democrats) that are shills for the gun lobby. And if that happens, 45 Senators, including 4 democrats (one of those, newly elected Sen Heitkamp of ND, I supported...Senator Reid voted against the bill for procedural reasons so he can bring the bill back for consideration...he was really for it) will have to ask themselves, 'Is there anything I could have done to have prevented even one death?' If that day comes, I would hate to be one of those Senators...I'm not sure I'd be able to live with the guilt.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 5:08 pm
Isn't it amazing how some people can justify almost anything? The fact is over 3000 people have died since New Town and Congress did nothing to keep people safer...they just hid behind the second amendment. The deaths from here on are on them.
 

Patsy Olive (0)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 8:01 pm
I can't add because I feel the same way all of you feel.What we need to do is on election day is vote all of
these bums out of office.
 

Nancy Crouse (5)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 10:10 pm
The next child to die a needless death shall stain the hands with blood of all those who voted down this gun bill. Shame on all of you who fefuse to back any bill restricitng guns of any size in the hands other than the police, military, legal gun collector and competitor.
Shem, you no longer live in the old wild west!
 

Susanne R. (249)
Thursday April 18, 2013, 11:55 pm
Tom: YOU are the NRA? And you're not ashamed to admit it? How much money do you spend on lobbying? And more importantly, WHY do you spend so much money on lobbying? Do you ever lie awake at night thinking about the twenty tiny bodies that were torn to shreds at Sandy Hook Elementary School? Do you ever try to imagine the terror they were feeling as they watched their friends being shred to bits, knowing that they were next? Do you ever feel any empathy or the slightest bit of sympathy for their parents, siblings and other loved ones who have to live with the horror of these senseless tragedies? Or, like Rand Paul, do you see them as little more than "props" that are being used to distract attention from what you (the NRA) are doing and whose influence you're buying? Perhaps you see them as "necessary sacrifices." As long as those precious little sacrificial lambs aren't your own kids, that is.

You justified being against background checks by asking this question: "Do we need more laws that Will Not Be Enforced?" Hmmm.... Now why would you be against legislation requiring more background checks if existing laws that require them are not being enforced? If that's what you truly believe, you should be jumping for joy, leaping like a lizard and congratulating yourself for letting the rest of us waste our time and money on legislation that doesn't affect the gun manufacturers you protect or the gun collection you cherish. Instead, you're spending outrageous amounts of money to prevent the passage of more such "useless" laws --instead of allowing us to continue to waste our time and money. It just doesn't make sense for you to claim that such laws are not being enforced, and are therefore "useless," and then turn around and spend SO much money fighting such laws.

You're not on a roll. And you're not changing anyone's mind. Believe it or not, we've heard it all before. 91% of American citizens are in favor of background checks. And since you claim to be "the NRA," why aren't you expressing the opinions of the 80% of your members who were in favor of this amendment?

As far as your comment: "Skip the gunshow loophole garbage. If you buy from a FFL dealer, your name goes through the FBI computer. The show sponsors will not let anyone sell firearms inside without a FFL." I recently watched an investigative report which featured several men, with hidden cameras, buying guns at gun shows. Many of them were not asked a single question. The money was exchanged, and the weapon went home with its new owner. The sellers couldn't care less where that weapon was going to end up or what it was going to be used for. THAT kind of "garbage" is too dangerous to skip!
 

Paul Wellman (1)
Friday April 19, 2013, 8:15 am
I swallowed hard and again actually read down through all these hysterical, vitriolic, hateful, paranoid, cowardly, simple minded, etc. rants.
You people scare me.
Tom Dundee is the shining exception of calm reasonable discussion I see in here. I love how you truly moronic LEFT WING NUT idiots scream and gnash your teeth at his comments.
You definitely are the kinds of people I would never want to own guns. Case in point:
Wayne Leon – really Wayne? “Bang! Bang! Bang! Just shot the Morons.” You scare the hell out of me.
Susanne R. you get my Left Wing Nut silver star award for bleating platitudes. You really poured on the syrup of moronic rhetoric here. Great JOB!
Everyone else only get my Left Wing Nut lead star award. The lead star denotes you didn't put any thought into your bleat at all.
Does any rational person think these idiots in Washington are going to do ANYTHING rational? Do any of you really think they could come up with legislation to solve this problem. I believe that could be a clinical definition of a Moron.
We must all work together and find real solutions to this sad state of affairs.
This problem is ALL about our Culture of Violence here in the good ol USA.
Violence is a disease. Until we as a people realize this and demand funding to treat this epidemic we are bound to continue down this sad path.
As a good start I propose we outlaw war. We are using our endless wars to spread this disease world wide. It is no wonder we experience the disease so often. We are the host for the most part!
That the death and destruction we have perpetrated around the world comes to roost here is only logical.
I suggest you vent your rage on an administration that has promoted drone warfare and escalated hostile action and made us more hated and vulnerable to attack by people that are rightly pissed off at our Imperialistic behavior.
There is no pride in my heart about being in a country that has bled itself nearly to death waging endless war with barely any protest from we the Sheeple.
Pray for peace.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Friday April 19, 2013, 8:26 am
Just perhaps, Paul, we left wing nuts are just frustrated and angry beyond belief that the same things keep happening over and over and our so-called representatives do nothing to change any thing. The reforms being discussed were hardly going to transform the entire world - but they would have added a bit of salve to those who have been so hurt. They might have stopped a nut or two. We are indeed a nation of violence - there we agree.
And a good start to changing that just might have been a few ways of keeping guns out of the hands of the truly crazy. Btw, Susanne - the sound you hear is me cheering and clapping for you. But we cannot change the gun mindset - all they hear is "you want to take my gun" and they hear nothing else. Good brainwashing job, NRA.
 

lee e. (114)
Friday April 19, 2013, 1:01 pm
I hold these gun loving senators responsible for aiding and abetting the Newtowns of the future and past! The parents and families of the victims came to plead with the senators - and they "mournfully'(or not) flipped them the birdie! I can only hope that they will never be reelected, and will personally work against them - there's a lot of blood on their hands - approx. 30,000 gun deaths a year - how abhorrent!
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Friday April 19, 2013, 1:12 pm
Just wanted to add to lee e.'s comment that the number of gun deaths in countries that outlaw guns entirely is in the single digits or teens for one year.....compare that to the U.S. figures. If the NRA wants NO gun restrictions passed in Congress, maybe it's time for us to just say, "yes, we want NO guns", and work backwards from there.....think that will get their attention? Then, the "bargaining" can begin.
 

lee e. (114)
Friday April 19, 2013, 1:49 pm
The NRA is our national terrorist organization - of course they're also the pimps to all who voted against this bill -
 

Gloria H. (88)
Friday April 19, 2013, 1:56 pm
Once the guns stop smoking, all goes back to normal. At least until the next time.
Our congress seems to be suffering from memory loss. Maybe they are easily lulled into a trance by a lenghty filibuster?
someone record it please....you could sell it to parents to play for get kids to fall asleep at bedtime!
 

Susanne R. (249)
Friday April 19, 2013, 3:13 pm
Paul: You had a real Kumbaya moment when you stated: “We must all work together and find real solutions to this sad state of affairs.” Unfortunately, when you refer to everyone (other than Tom) who commented on this thread as “truly moronic LEFT WING NUT idiots [who] scream and gnash [their] teeth at his [Tom’s] comments,” you’re not exactly creating an atmosphere conducive to “working together.” And when you judge heartfelt comments and concerns to be “hysterical, vitriolic, hateful, paranoid, cowardly, simple minded, etc. rants,” you simply prove that point beyond the shadow of a doubt. No one appreciates a condescending attitude.

I realize that I had to disgust your sensibilities more than anyone else did to earn it but, for some strange reason, I’m proud of my “silver star.” Countless gun-related deaths occur every single day in this country, and it’s usually innocent people who bear the brunt of such senseless violence. Since we can’t incarcerate every mentally ill person, every person who has too much to drink, every person who has rage control issues --what else is there to do other than try to control their access to guns? The only people who benefit from the outrageous number of guns being sold in this country are the gun manufacturers. That’s why they’ve bought their way into OUR government and have more control over legislation than 91% of us --the vast majority-- do. Personally, I'm surprised that you don't object to the fact that ANY entity --other than the majority of our citizens-- is able to control legislation that affects our entire country.

Arielle makes a great point when she states: "But we cannot change the gun mindset - all they hear is 'you want to take my gun' and they hear nothing else." Trying to reason with people of that mindset reminds me of gun-nut Clint Eastwood having a conversation with a chair at the Republican National Convention.

My bleeding heart and I will never change our attitude on a topic that involves the death of children, or that turns children into orphans, women into widows, men into single parents, etc. What more is there to say?

Except to quote you: “Pray for peace.”
 

Paul Wellman (1)
Friday April 19, 2013, 6:55 pm
Susanne & All,
I am glad you and your bleeding heart will never change your attitude on a topic that involves the death of children, or that turns children into orphans, women into widows, men into single parents, etc.
The more to say is that I hope you can understand the fact that we spread these outrages all over the world everyday. Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and on and on.
Drum beats again in the middle east. Iran can't have nuclear toys! Only us!
Drum beats in Asia. Let's go nose to nose with China!
We Reap What We Sow is being proved here in our cities every day.
You can outlaw guns, knives, pressure cookers, whatever people sickened by the illness of violence will find a way to vent their frustrations.
Pray for peace.
 

Robert K. (31)
Friday April 19, 2013, 8:17 pm
Every gun nut has penis envy, especially the men.
 

Helen Porter (40)
Friday April 19, 2013, 9:31 pm
noted
 

Patricia N. (8)
Friday April 19, 2013, 9:59 pm
Disgusting behavior. Makes you wonder about their mindset.
 

Susanne R. (249)
Friday April 19, 2013, 10:14 pm
Paul: While doing some reading recently, I came to realize what a wonderful and insightful man President Dwight David Eisenhower truly was. Here are just a few reasons why:

"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."

"There's no tragedy in life like the death of a child. Things never get back to the way they were."

"I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it."

All of those quotations are his.

If you're angry about our country's involvement in war, you might want to direct your anger toward the military-industrial complex and the politicians (and their advisers) who promote that industry --like Dick Cheney and his cohorts. Even though the war in Iraq was based on lies and the war with Afghanistan couldn't be won, that didn't stop Bush and Cheney from starting them.

I pray for peace every day. I'm glad you do, too. Many blessings to you and yours.
 

John Gregoire (255)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 5:51 am
Tom, et al. Just for the record I am an Independent, middle of the road political type that passionately believes in compromise. While I support noth liberal and conservative issues, over 20 years in the militray have me leaning conservative. Yeah, the terminlogy of "assault weapons" is wrong and sure, in their passion people use the wrong words. The point is that no sane hunet or target shooter needs a semi-automatic weapon of any caliber and the stores are full of junk that look like start wars weapons and made to attract the testosterone deprived. Call me one of those "left winf nuts" if you will but I reserve the right to apply "moron" where it belongs. You guys need to wake up and see the reality here.
 

Barbara V. (51)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 11:59 am
I cannot for the life of me understand why those Senators (Repug, of course) vote down something as practical as a background check on a bloke wanting to buy a rifle. They must be scared of the NRA--or the NRA is Big Business, which they support over common sense and the will of the people. If this government isn't for, of, or by the people, then it's for the rich only. Are we going to keep allowing this? Our country is drifting slowly down the tubes, and only we can prevent it.
 

Susanne R. (249)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 1:16 pm
John G.: I hope you can hear me applauding you! A green star was sent your way!
 

Paul Wellman (1)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 6:05 pm
Susanne,
You made me smile
I have been a fan of Eisenhower for decades. His wisdom has proven to be prophetic.
In President Dwight D. Eisenhower's 1960 speech, given as he turned the reins of power over to John F. Kennedy, one of the prophetic things he said was:

“...America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment. ...
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”

Another great quote from Dwight's amazing speech really should hit home today:
“Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.”
OOPS!!!
We have strayed far from this wise admonishment. We are not “an alert and knowledgeable citizenry”.
We are destroying our lives and the planet (we ALL live on) at a high rate of speed.
This clear and present danger is something every person needs to own up to and do whatever they can to remedy the situation.
Read more of President Eisenhower's speech here:
http://www.h-net.org/~hst306/documents/indust.html
 

Susanne R. (249)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 10:13 pm
I'm glad I made you smile, Paul. Thank you for the link. I agree: President Eisenhower was an extraordinary man. I'm ashamed to say that I didn't realize that until recently. My father was a Republican and my mother was a Democrat, but they both had the utmost respect for him. Unfortunately, being a child of the '50s, I was too young to appreciate or even fully understand what a great leader he was. He WAS prophetic, and very human, and I look forward to reading more about him.
 

Robert O. (12)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 1:56 pm
Very worrisome to say the least. I think it's time we classified the NRA as a domestic terrorist group. Thanks Cal.
 

Paul Wellman (1)
Monday April 22, 2013, 10:09 am
Suzanne,
I just pray we get beyond all the silly distraction and start paying attention to the very real and present dangers Dwight talks about.
No,,, Robert O. Thanks You!
I always get a giggle out of a completely moronic statement. Hey that is what this whole thread is about!
 

Paul Wellman (1)
Monday April 22, 2013, 12:45 pm
I would like to direct your attention to something you might get behind to ease some of your frustration regarding your recent perceived defeat.
In my mind if you cry out about this horrible illegal action (being taken in our name) it would do far more towards healing us than if we had background checks on those horrid guns you are focused on.
http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=7784
Cluster Bombs suck.
 

Susanne R. (249)
Monday April 22, 2013, 12:49 pm
Oh, Paul. I hope you realize that the word "moron," as used in the title of this thread, refers to the senators who voted against a common sense amendment created by two NRA-supporting senators --one of whom is a Republican. We can agree to disagree --and it appears that we disagree on the meaning of President Eisenhower's words. I happen to agree with Robert O. The NRA (an arm of the military-industrial complex) has too much influence over our government. The fact that our senators voted against the gun bill when 90% of American citizens favored it, and 80% of NRA members approved of it, is proof of the grip the NRA's leadership has on our elected representatives who earned their seats through OUR votes. When ANY entity is more powerful than the will of the people, we're in trouble. And when you say things like, "I always get a giggle out of a completely moronic statement. Hey that is what this whole thread is about!" --don't forget that your statements are in this thread, too.

Let's not ruin this "detente" that you and I have reached. You gave me a "silver star" and I gave you a green star. So let's "pray for peace."
 
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