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Uncle: Mentors 'Radicalized' Older Boston Bombing Suspect


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Cal
- 610 days ago - today.com
The uncle of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects told TODAY Saturday that he believes Dzhokar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev were pawns in a deadly scheme.



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Kit B. (276)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 8:51 am

Uncle Tsarni, has also said that he has not seen these boys in years. More of the press feeding frenzy, and so far no real facts have come to light. I think I will wait to hear what the FBI and Boston police put together, and hope some of that is based on the words spoken by Dzhokar Tsarnaev. Guessing and speculation do not give us any more insight then we currently have.
 

Carol W. (119)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 9:13 am
Several interviews of high school friends, neighbors, teachers, all liked the younger Dzhokar and saw a future in him. Not 'ONE' bad word from a dozen who know and knew him. One friend did comment that Dzhokar in casual conversation had said, "He felt a strong sense of loyalty to his brother, only equal to his studies."

I think his older brother may have been very dishonest to him about the harm he planned to inflict. I don't think this kid had such anger or any anti-american blood in his veins. I think his brother used him.
 

lee e. (114)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 10:09 am
I feel so badly for the families involved with these 2 wayward kids, I suspect that they had no idea to what extreme their religious fanaticism would lead them, but it seems these families too become victims. So many lives forever altered by the terrorism of just 2 individuals. A little religion can be a dangerous thing!
 

Kit B. (276)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 10:28 am

I'm thinking that right now we just do not know that this was religious fanaticism.

It might be, or it might be a young man that was angry that his lack of education left him in depressed economic times and he could not support his child. Bad economic times can lead those who are less stable to do horrendous things. We are told that Tamerlan Tsarnaev said that in the nearly 11 years in the United States he had no friends. That would mean this 26 year old, lived cut off from normal socialization.

Though again, we do not know, but if we believe the uncle the father and his friends, then we see a very different picture of young Dzhokar Tsarnaev a very young and maybe impressionable personality that might have followed his brothers lead. That is the problem with guessing before we know the facts, we are all just speculating.
 

Winn Adams (204)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 10:38 am
This Uncle and his family should not be lumped in with those who are responsible for this terrible act of terrorism.
 

Yvonne White (233)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 11:17 am
I'm Very surprised that Dzhokar was taken alive..I certainly hope he can explain his side of things and lives to be tried in a court of law (though the Media has already tried & convicted How many before these two guys???;)
 

Yvonne White (233)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 11:19 am
I think the uncle was & is just trying to save his own family from persecution thinks to Media fenzy & guilt by association crap..:(
 

Kit B. (276)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 11:40 am

I agree with that Yvonne, the uncle has his own family to consider.
 

lee e. (114)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 2:58 pm
Why I said that it was probably due to religion is that his uncle claimed that they started to pray 5 times a day - which wasn't the norm --
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 3:39 pm
Well they must have had training from somebody somewhere My son -in-law in the RAAF said they make these
type of bombs in Iraq someone must have taught them how to do it all We do not know at the moment who they connected with when they went travelling but I agree the younger one probably just followed the older brother
 

Gloria picchetti (300)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 3:40 pm
Mostly the uncle and other relatives don't want to be deported without their property and Social Security. There are CHA buildings for seniors just loaded with foreigners who get benefits none of can get if we are born here. Go figure?
 

Kristine H. (75)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 4:44 pm
So many unanswered questions. I hope the facts come to light so that we may stop being so judgemental. If he is quilty let's hope he suffers more than he already has. The brother has already paid with his life. No matter what his motivation was he deserved it.This truly has been a tragedy-stay strong Boston!!
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 4:46 pm
We may NEVER know the motives of these young men. Certainly they were exposed to influences which might have wanted to use them as stooges. On the other hand...how many US-born & raised terrorists have used explosives to carry out acts which have NOTHING to do with Islam?

I'll let others leap to conspiracy theories, paranoia and the like.

WE NEED TO WAIT AND SEE!
 

Lisa sick Windsor (149)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 5:41 pm
I agree with Pam W., All I really know is that it was a tragic event and hope that we can be vigilant and keep people as safe as possible. Hopefully the whole truth will come out and we will go from there! Prayers to all involved and families, etc.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 6:04 pm
thanks
 

Jason S. (57)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 9:00 pm
The government aid and abet in Boston, good posting, thanks
 

Alexa R. (330)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 9:18 pm
This is probably as much as we are ever going to find out (I quote):

"As Dzhokhar was being captured, three people in New Bedford, Massachusetts, were also taken into custody for questioning over the blasts.

Lieutenant Robert Richard said two men and a woman were being questioned by the FBI "on the assumption there is an affiliation with suspect number two".

It has also been revealed that Tamerlan attracted the attention of US authorities two years ago - apparently after contact from the Russian authorities.

The FBI said its agents interviewed him in 2011 at the request of a foreign government, but that the investigation found "no derogatory information", according to an official.

Maret Tsarnaev, the men's aunt, said Tamerlan had recently become a devout Muslim who prayed five times a day.

Speaking to reporters at her home in Toronto, Canada, she also said the older brother was married and had a daughter in the US."

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We might never find out who were their accomplices, etc.
 

Bill and Katie D. (90)
Saturday April 20, 2013, 11:08 pm
The older one had no friends and had been here for 11 yrs but had a wife and child! Too bad the other one ran over him we would have liked to hear what he had to say! Hope we do find out more too!
It's a Terrible thing to happen! ///////Glad they were both caught and hope they do get any others!
 

Stan B. (122)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 1:37 am
I have zero sympathy for the radicalised Islamic trash who carried out this atrocity. My thoughts are with Martin Richard's father whose son was blown apart, whose daughter lost her legs and whose wife has shrapnel throughout her body. My thoughts are also with the families of Krystle Campbell, Lu Lingzi, the cop who was shot in cold blood and the almost 200 innocent victims whose lives have been shattered for ever by this senseless, terrorist attack.
I hope the surviving creep recovers enough to be tried in a court of law and, if found guilty, executed.
 

Jennifer Ward (40)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 2:11 am
I'll second that Stan! Islamic trash is all they are and all they will ever be. Brainwashed murderous zombies deserve the same amount of pity they give to their victims. Sympathy, empathy and understanding were forfeited the moment they decided to murder innocent people.
 

Jaime A. (35)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 5:17 am
Noted.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 5:42 am
Honestly, what is the point of writing how much we don't know and then speculating on what we might learn? I can wait. At this point, they are simply Chechen Muslims acting Chechenly. But it's interesting that after Sandy Hook, most people immediatly called for stricter gun laws as a way to prevent future mass killings, but now, we should just wait for the facts That's consistent.
 

bob m. (32)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 6:35 am


Ah yes.. not only are advocates of the wierding way bustin up trail at a furious pace here ; even as uncle begins the process of coming to the truth in his life and Mom and Aunty teletubby us as to their angels in the finest of Kadr-ian tradition: but this batch is infused as usual with the the traditional effuse of myopian balm.. which keeps the poppy eyed secure from their nightmarish avoidance of the elepant in the room... as they seek to find their usual hidy place for their head...that elephant being ..islam itself...the great land of sleepers.
 

Lois Jordan (58)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 12:50 pm
Noted. Interesting discussion here....but it seems these types of bombs are comparatively easy to make and used by American terrorists, too. I remember reading about this during the OK bombing trial. McVeigh and others that surrounded him were seemingly well-versed in various explosives. These type are among the cheapest to make.
 

Nelson Baker (0)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 1:48 pm
The two terrorist were ungrateful bastards.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (448)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 1:48 pm
Yes, of course! America is to blame for instilling in them their terrorist behavior.
 

tiffany t. (148)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 2:16 pm
interesting, sad for the people left behind, those who died or were wounded. I think his uncle is speaking out of fear. I do not think we have the entire story. Peace is the way.
 

Yvonne White (233)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 2:49 pm
There's Always someone ready (and willing) to to something sick & violent to unsuspecting innocents.. people we don't even know hate us, and obviously there are plenty of haters here to reciprocate.. I wish we could find out "Why?", but I seriously doubt we'll ever hear the whole Real story. IF those brothers did it, then I hope the younger can be questioned before he dies. But from what I've read, neither were "good" Muslims - just as Westboro Baptists are not "good" Christians! Religion truly is the STUPIDEST thing to fight about! It makes a mockery of All religions!
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 3:11 pm

It is easy to toss out pot shots aimed at religions that not acceptable, though I have yet to know of one that is acceptable. No Alexandra we don't know any of that as fact. You keep repeating that but other than one site, the greater media is not saying any of that is factual. When the FBI spokesman stands up and says this was a confirmed act of religious direction then I might believe it.

This is obviously an act of terrorism, that is the only purpose in doing something like this.

The how and why are important, knowing the truth is vitally important. Giving and sharing words of support and condolence to those most directly affected is our duty as Americans.

Listening and reading this drivel about Islamic terrorist is totally assumption and rumor. Wait for the facts, then you can all jump off the crazy cliff if or when the FBI gives us that information.
 

Birgit W. (152)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 4:01 pm
Noted
 

Colleen L. (2)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 6:08 pm
All I can say it that I give him a lot of credit for even going out and talking to the press. I seen the live interview and remember him saying to the one they were looking for, to turn himself in and to talk to authorities and to tell them everything. Like others have mentioned, he hadn't been in contact with these boys for many years. I just pray that no more of these ugly acts of hatred ever happen again. They need to stop. Thanks Cal
 

Jude Hand (59)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 6:39 pm
Noted.
 

Susanne R. (249)
Sunday April 21, 2013, 10:24 pm
I watched a segment on 60 Minutes tonight where Scott Pelley interviewed Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis. Although the Commissioner wasn't offering much information about the Dzhokar's condition, It appears that he might not survive his injuries. In addition to a wound to his leg, it appears that he suffered a gunshot would to the back of mouth --with the bullet exiting through the back of his head-- which is indicative of a suicide attempt. A link to the interview appears below for anyone who'd like to see it:

60 Minutes Interview
 

Barbara Tomlinson (464)
Monday April 22, 2013, 12:03 am
About mentors, accomplices, "training", etc.:

People forget, that EVERYthing you should ever want in this world, is on the Internet, SOMEwhere.
Including, instructions on how to make bombs.
"The Anarchist's Cookbook", which tells for example how to make some kinds of bombs {not the kind used in Boston}, was taken off of Amazon.com. But, if you know where to look, some blogger or tiny group somewhere, has these instructions and more... in detail.
Also, on the Internet, are fiery Preachers - Christian as well as Muslim, and for all I know, could be Shinto and Buddhist and Fundamentalist Jewish and AmerIndian for all I know! and lots more - preaching and getting Converts, that's their INTENTION. As Televangelists have shown, these sorts of sermons on the screen can convey powerful messages and really rouse the emotions, get people going.
Religious conversions happen all the time, and can really change a person, in a basic way.
{By the way, praying 5 times a day, IS "standard" in Islam. For devout observers.}

So, we need look NO FURTHER THAN THE LITTLE SCREEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
I'm not saying that IS the explanation. I'm just saying that one doesn't need "MORE", doesn't need elaborate journeys to training camps, or any "group" connections at all - only the "groups" - and they are legion! - that "exist" in the same Cyberspace as Care2 does!

Furthermore, one should not ignore THE CHECHAN NATIONALIST CONNECTION.
I've read some of the articles on the Internet, about Chechnya, and its struggles as a nation.
That is an ADDITIONAL factor, besides possibly Islam, that needs to be considered.
Altho the brothers lived 10 years in America, and had traveled with their parents before that and probably hardly remembered Chechnya at all, THEY KEPT THEIR CHECHNYAN IDENTITIES like many foreign-born citizens here do, their English or French or German or Chinese identities.
This is shown on their FACEBOOK PAGES, which in Dzhokar's case is in SEVERAL LANGUAGES of the region, and has been translated by someone who is AWED that the bright kid knew SEVERAL LANGUAGES THAT WELL.
Dzhokar himself is named after THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF AN INDEPENDENT CHECHNYA; Tamerlan by the way, is named after a famous Conqueror of the {our} Middle Ages. The Hero of Christopher Marlowe's drama {contemporary with Shakespeare}, "Tamerlane the Great".
The point is, CHECHANS WERE FAMOUS AND FEARED WARRIORS, known for their UTTER RUTHLESSNESS. And, they STILL ARE. In the parlance of Russia and those areas, to be called a "Chechan" is to be called A REAL BAD-ASS. A very Macho culture, needless to say. Chechans committed various atrocities - as well as had atrocities committed against THEM, by Russia. It is a CULTURE OF REVENGE AND BLOOD FEUDS. This is outside of being Islamic - other Islamic cultures don't have "blood feuds" in the same way. {Think Hatfields & McCoys - or Icelandic Sagas.}
It occurred to me, that the FBI wanted to interview Tamerlan, because maybe they had been MONITORING SITES ON THE INTERNET that Chechnyan Nationalists used, or fiery fundamentalist preachers or others... It was NATIONALIST CONNECTIONS the FBI wanted to interview him about.

As was said again & again, WE DON'T KNOW.
But, I just wanted to make the 2 points clear:
#1] Terrorists and destructive people don't HAVE to huddle under one roof anymore, or "teach" stuff in person. The INTERNET is SUFFICIENT. This is scarey - but it IS the world we live in now! The Internet can be used for good or for evil...
#2] CHECHAN NATIONALISM, as well as Religion, was PROBABLY PART OF THE MIX. And that "Cultural Ideal" of the Fearless Warrior. Tamerlan was a guy who "wanted to study engineering" - so he told his family at least - but he couldn't even get thru a whole year of Accounting at a Community College! dropped out after 3 quarters! What was his future going to be, to support his family with NO skills - not even Accounting! - no hope, no future, so what was there left but to go out "gloriously" like his namesake, Tamerlane the Great... to draw attention to the Cause, however he defined it, religious and/or political in some mix...

Thanks a lot, T & D, you've just made it virtually IMPOSSIBLE for future Chechnyans fleeing violence and conflict, to get U.S. visas....!!!
 

Barbara Tomlinson (464)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 3:14 am
Add the FBI to the mix - What WAS their role?

Quote from an article in THE WALL STREET JOURNAL:

Earlier, Tamerlan had attracted the attention of the FBI. His father said the officers visited one-and-a-half years ago to discuss Tamerlan's interests and had tea in his third-floor apartment.
"They told me they were watching everything—what we look at on the computers, what we talked about on the phone," he said. "I said that's fine. That's what they should be doing."

The boys' mother, Mrs. Tsarnaeva, said Tamerlan was defiant in his meetings with FBI officials. "I am in a country that gives me the right to read whatever I want and watch whatever I want,'" Mrs. Tsarnaeva recalled her son saying. "He was even trying to get the FBI [agent] to convert to Islam."

Read the entire article from which the above quote is taken, from The Wall Street Journal:
http://www.care2.com/news/member/911530155/3568264
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Wednesday April 24, 2013, 8:29 pm
*****It is easy to toss out pot shots aimed at religions that not acceptable, though I have yet to know of one that is acceptable. No Alexandra we don't know any of that as fact. You keep repeating that but other than one site, the greater media is not saying any of that is factual.

*****Listening and reading this drivel about Islamic terrorist is totally assumption and rumor. Wait for the facts, then you can all jump off the crazy cliff if or when the FBI gives us that information.

Kit..If only you could do this when it's something about Conservatives or Republicans that's brought out in the news as propaganda! Unfortunately you are one of the first ones to jump on it as truth!!

*****Honestly, what is the point of writing how much we don't know and then speculating on what we might learn? I can wait. At this point, they are simply Chechen Muslims acting Chechenly. But it's interesting that after Sandy Hook, most people immediatly called for stricter gun laws as a way to prevent future mass killings, but now, we should just wait for the facts That's consistent.

John S..completely agree with you!!

Agree Bob M!!
 

bob m. (32)
Sunday April 28, 2013, 12:01 pm


Cnn is telatubbying in backflips to get this "young boy " 2 years in sorry land plus probably a family pass to disneyland (Life)....they just can't understand where its' all comming from.. Micha apparently influenced him...trouble is Mom thinks this guys poop is holy .. and he is just pure islam... call it what it is folks ..slaughter in obedience to the call of islam... jihad.. Obama will probably invite an extra million muslims this year to say a special sorry mo....the terrorist in custody may be a victim of deciet but what about that baby boy?... he was murdered ..plain straight up...
 
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