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Neocons Push Obama to Go Beyond a Punitive Strike in Syria


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Syria, politics, us response, neocons, usa, war, ethics, government, obama, politics )

Cal
- 329 days ago - motherjones.com
The drums of war are beating, as various news reports state that President Barack Obama and his European allies are close to launching some sort of military attack against Syria. But one question is how big the bang will be



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Christeen Anderson (476)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 6:06 am
We have already done enough damage there.
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 6:18 am
Thanks.
 

Dave C. (213)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 6:33 am
war + war doesn't always make peace.....
 

pam w. (191)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 6:36 am
(I am SO VERY WEARY of those people who castigate President Obama for not doing THIS or for doing THAT.

He's not President of the CHRISTIAN States of America.....his mission is not to decimate Islam....his mission is to assist other nations in establishing democratic governments. If those people democratically elect the Muslim Brotherhood into offices....so be it. That's their business.)

I'll say it again....WHERE IS THE UNITED NATIONS?

 

Dave C. (213)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 6:38 am
letter sent directly to the white house against any new wars.........give peace a chance...
 

lee e. (114)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 8:15 am
I too sent my letter Dave - and I agree Pam - we should assist negotiations, not to "police" their countries! Let the UN do their thing!
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 8:46 am
Here's the problem: The U.S.'s most useful strategy with its vast military is that of deterrence. It can stop armies and enemies in their tracks without firing a shot or killing anyone as long as they believe that crossing a "red line" will result in retaliation so severe that they only stand to lose from doing so. They just have to believe that the U.S. is willing and able to make them lose, and understand what lines to avoid crossing. Obama very clearly declared the use of chemical weapons to be a red line. Nobody is about to doubt the U.S.'s ability to destroy and army or punish a regime, but what do you think that failing to do so would do to others' belief in the U.S.'s willingness to retaliate? If the U.S. does not respond this time, after such a clear declaration that it would in the case that chemical weapons are used, who knows when it would? Certainly not the regimes and enemies it wishes to deter. How much violence, how many wars, will ensue if it breaks its track-record of following through on threats?

The only thing the U.S. would protect directly through intervention in Syria is the credibility of its deterrence, but that is very important. Normally, there would be no need for the U.S. to strike, but Obama backed the country into a corner politically. The U.S. must now at least make a show of retaliation against Assad.

Hi Pam and Lee :)

The U.N. is totally locked up on this one. The problem is that major powers which are not closely allied with the U.S. want its deterrence degraded. It would allow the U.S.'s enemies to keep it busy and encourage other countries to oppose U.S. interests. Breaking U.S. political hegemony in this way would leave a void into which they hope to step. This is why Russia and China will veto any intervention in the U.N. Security Council unless they are given some serious unrelated concessions.
 

Theodore Shayne (56)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 9:08 am
Okay but I could argue that it's just as likely to be the rebels who fired these chemical weapons as it is Assad. I wouldn't put it past either one. The smartest thing we could do would be to take a step back and let them sort it out themselves. Of course PM Cameron thinks he's Tony Blair.
There are no winners in this.
 

Joanne Dixon (36)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 12:47 pm
Yes, I think I signed 4 or 5 "No War in Syria" petitions this morning alone, with slightly differemt takes. Sometimes I just have to shout.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 4:34 pm
"Neocons, left, right,", these are all just distracting labels. The corporate elite are the ones pushing for war!
 

Birgit W. (140)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 5:09 pm
No more war in Syria please. PEACE!
 

GGmaSheila D. (132)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 5:19 pm
The question is - Who has the most to gain? What would Assad have to gain??On the other hand, the rebels would gain much if Assad gets blamed for the chemical attack...Another article asked - "Why would Assad shoot himself in the foot?" If we go in and take Assad down Who moves in to take his place????
 

Jeremy S. (2)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 6:31 pm
War hawks give hawks a bad name!
 

Ravenna C. (20)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 6:33 pm
Have the majority of Syrians asked for help? All most Americans know here is what the square propaganda machine in the living room tells them. If the box says that the Bad Man Used Chemical Weapons against innocent women and children they believe it. It is frightening to me the number of Americans who will believe anything that they hear on Fox or CNN.

One would hope that with recent revelations with regards to the trampling of the United States Constitution by our Government that a good portion of Americans would be waking up to the fact that this is no longer a democracy for the people by the people. Elections are just for show to placate the masses into believing they have a vote. The CIA and Corporate America is running the show now. The only true vote is the almighty dollar.
This is no longer the United Sates of America it is The United Corporations of America and we are not citizens we are consumers.
War is good for business for the CIA and The Corporations of America.

It sucks for 99% of us.
 

Lona Goudswaard (67)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 6:58 pm
If Obama forgoes his 'punitive strike' he can't be bullied into 'the whole hog' either, can he? If the majority of the American people doesn't want the US to go in this time and the allies are on the fence or against, then it seems a no-brainer not to intervene. Just make them sweat a bit and then back off.

And yes, I know that's not how it works in politics. But despite all, I have this glimmer of hope left that the West has learned something from the previous (and still ongoing) failures.
 

jess b (22)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 10:18 pm
I called the White House and emailed Mr. Kerry- signed petitions.
the media, as usual, can't be quiet for 2 seconds
 

Robert K. (31)
Friday August 30, 2013, 5:36 am
Acting before the facts are known or ignoring the facts is what got us into the mess we're in now. Good for war profiteers, bad for everyone else on Earth.

The Taliban, in violation of Islam's law to protect and defend your guests with your life offered to turn over every single al Qaeda member in Afghanistan, but the little monkey wanted his war and refused them. Saddam had exactly nothing to do with 9/11, but he did plan to base his oil prices on the Euro instead of the dollar, and was dumb enough to announce the plan in advance, so Bunnypants Bush had to start an unnecessary and illegal war to stop him.

Obama has shown too much willingness to go along with the right wing love of war and torture, but hopefully he won't do anything before we have all the facts. At least he doesn't share the 99 IQ with dumbya.
 

Amy L. (76)
Friday August 30, 2013, 8:52 am
Obama's decisive response should be to send everyone who signed that ridiculous letter over to Syria to stop the Syrians responsible for gassing their own people. That would save our taxpayers some money. If they get killed in the process - well they signed up for it but in the end it's no sweat off the backs of our overtaxed US service men and women. We save them from being in harm's way. Moreover since they are the smartest people in the room they should be able to accomplish this mission without getting killed and prevent a never ending enmeshment in Syria. At the same time this group could reason with Iran not to get involved. I'm sick and tired of this country policing the entire globe. It needs to stop. We need to take care of our own house for a while and everyone else can go fly a kite.
 

Klaus Peters (9)
Saturday August 31, 2013, 5:06 am
Why would the US want to stick their nose into the Middle East again and also drag their allies into it. Stop selling them weapons, then we will not have a problem, let them fight it out in a fist fight or with long knives.
The Muslims are so divided, let them fight it out between them, why loose our own people for something we cannot fix.
Everything sold in the US is Made in China, except war planes, drones, rockets etc. most of it sold to the Middle East. Again it will hit the US in the bum. But the armament industry lobby controls the senate. I say, save your young people and control the Middle East from the outside and save conflict money to bring back manufacturers that have sold out the US to China, no corruption by big industry no double standards .
Only then the US of A can wave her flag in pride again. Do not get sucked into every useless conflict.
 
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