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What the Middle East Would Be Like Without Christians


World  (tags: world, Chrisitans, Islam, media, religio, humanrights, middle-east, politics, society, conflict )

Cal
- 273 days ago - csmonitor.com
From Iraq to Syria to Egypt, Christians are under siege. How their faith - including at a Bethlehem church - sustains them and how their decline is altering the region.



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Syd H. (48)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 8:56 am

Well, looks like this x/mas is going to be pretty bleak this year...

Floods, blockade and political rifts deepen Gaza misery
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25465082

Fishing under fire off the Gaza coast
Harassed by Israeli gunboats, Palestinian fishermen are chasing dwindling shoals in the heavily guarded six-mile fishing limit off the Gaza coast. Alex Renton goes aboard to see what it's like to be a fisherman in some of the world's most contested waters
http://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2013/dec/08/fishing-under-fire-in-gaza

Gaza Need Not Be a Sewer
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/03/opinion/gaza-need-not-be-a-sewer.html?_r=0

Plenty more to read about too. Is God really so petty?

 

Allan Yorkowitz (453)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 10:26 am
How pathetic is it that the Palestinians who having been bemoaning discrimination by the Israelis, are doing the very thing to the Arab Christians. You can't make this up.
 

Carol D. (109)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 11:06 am
Well we know the muslims want to rule the world They are not doing too badly at the present and no one seems to be stopping them
 

Winn Adams (192)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 11:51 am
Noted
 

Freya H. (307)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 11:55 am
Religious bugnuts are nasty, no matter what their faith. Muslims can be vicious - but look what Christians have been doing over the past 1500 years. Not that their evil justifies the ethnic cleansing in the Middle East, though. Yes, the Muslims should live and let live - but Christians need to keep in mind what they have done to non-Christians for centuries. It's the pot and the kettle calling each other black.

In Moorish Spain, Christians, Jews and Muslims lived together, fairly well if not in perfect harmony. Then the Moors were driven across the Mediterranean, and the ruthless Roman Catholic Church cracked down on "infidels" - and raped the civilizations of the New World.

Actually, considering the source of this article, I feel that one should take it with a grain of sodium chloride.
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 12:02 pm
All the major religions have love and peace at their core. The rest is fluff. Too bad they couldn't just stick with the basics, because today they've all forgotten the foundation they were built on. It has become twisted, ugly and divisive unfortunately. Seems like "caring for your fellow human being" has gone out of style......
 

Sue Matheson (71)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 12:27 pm
thanks
 

Sharon W. (4)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 12:37 pm
Can we all get along, please, regardless of religion?
 

Amy L. (90)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 1:21 pm
Just like we have different languages and meaning throughout the world we have different religions. The sad thing is that for some reason religion is used in an exploitative manner to justify the murder and torture of other people. That is purely a man made flaw. Religious extremist kill off the desire to believe in something greater than yourself. They want to be worshiped and to dictate the way people choose to worship or not worship. The article mentioned that Islamist are exhorting Christians. They sound like a bunch of thugs who've tapped in a way to make money off of a population again under the guise of religion.
 

Theodore Shayne (56)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 1:27 pm
Guess what Syd, it's just as bad in any other internment camp in the Arab nations as it is in Gaza. So don't write me a sob story about poor Palestinians. The Arab nations could absorb them into the nation but they don't want to. It's "useful" people like you who keep up this pretense. Meanwhile the rich Palestinians who live up in the elevated areas of Gaza have nice estates with swimming pools while the rank and file live below in squalid conditions.
The billions of dollars and euros raised over the years and donated to the Palestinians; who I might add that there is no such thing; has not been spent on schools; hospitals or infrastructures or improving the water and sanitary conditions. It's been spent on two things: enriching the bank accounts of rich Palestinians and buying more armaments and ordinance. It wasn't so long ago that the rank and file Palestinian was selling his wife's jewellery to buy food. The people doing the buying were the very people in the Palestinian community with the big bank accounts. Those Palestinians don't lack for fresh water; clean living conditions and have nice big bank accounts. If you're wondering why fishing boats are fired on or boarded you don't suppose it could be due to all the times that the Palestinians have attempted bomb attacks via those type of boats or those boats used to ferry UDTs against Israel? If Israel really wanted to rid itself of this unnecessary problem it could just eradicate them within two weeks. Then you and all your myopic compadres might have reason to call Israel fascist. BTW Syd it was the Arab nations and those Arabs living in "Palestine" who supported Hitler and called for a genocide against the Jews who had been living peacefully for years in the land and around Jerusalem prior to WW1. It was also Nasir of Egypt who housed Skorzeny and attempted to launch a nuclear campaign against Israel just after WW2.
No nation is perfect and neither is any one "people" better than another but what have the Palestinians given to the world lately besides pain, suffering, bloodshed and unnecessary violence. They could have had 80% of what they wanted but Arafat empirically said no. Whose fault is it really that they are in the state they are in. The Arab nations won't grant them citizenship because they are nothing trouble wherever they go. The Palestinians are nothing but a political hot potato used to gains concession from Israel. That's sad because I do know a few Palestinians in Canada who are here and work very hard
 

Deborah W. (6)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 2:10 pm
This is what happens when division replaces unity and neither is given the support needed to survive, much less thrive, side by side in peace as it was intended in the beginning ... and with a few kinks here and there actually progressed. Now, underdevelopment and overdevelopment are taking on the same end game, even though coming from different levels of intelligence and awareness, corruption wherever the opportunity presents ... not for a greater good than self, but precisely for personal greed and power. How said the brotherhood of man, ignored so long as to now become almost extinct.
 

Hilary S. (45)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 5:31 pm
seems the media is so intent on finding someone to blame (mostly israel, out of habit rather than from serious research) that any form of action to support these frightened communities is quite forgotten.
 

pam w. (191)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 6:44 pm
A more meaningful question might be....what would the middle east be like without religion?
 

SusanAWAYaWEEK Allen (221)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 7:26 pm
Finally Pam W., the voice of reason. I read this article wondering what the point was really. But, I kept reading it just hoping this was a joke. Anyone who knows me at all knows how much I detest religion and everything it stands for. I do not, for the life of me, understand why people are willing to kill over it. Especially, the big three: muslims, jews and christians - give me a break people, you all have the same god. It's not like any one of the three religions disputes that. There are even parts of each of the 3 holy books that are identical. It is the same god. Ridiculous. Grow up people. Religion is one of the, if not the, biggest problem the whole planet has. Religion is at the root of every vile, hate filled atrocity done by one set of peoples against another set of peoples. It's insanity at its worst. As far as I'm concerned, go on and get it over, kill each other and be done with it; just leave the rest of us out of it.
 

Walter Firth (64)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 7:41 pm
Re, Syd no need to add to what Alan and Theodore stated, the postings of.Paledtiniam apoligists and anti Jewish critics are not only iirrational,they are bloody boring by their persistance.No one can deny that some sections of the Christian chutch have a shameful record but that of Islam is worse by far..So much for fubdamental religions.But today which religion endorses flying aircraft into buildings killing thousands of innocen tpeople,planting bombs in trains , murdering off duty soldiers.,blowing up people in the street,turning our cities into ghettos of filth and crime.I don't think it could be Judaism or Christianity
 

Janis K. (101)
Sunday December 22, 2013, 8:13 pm
Thanks
 

John S. (304)
Monday December 23, 2013, 1:14 am
Noted.
 

Stan B. (124)
Monday December 23, 2013, 2:30 am
Anyone who imagines we can get on with radical Islam needs their heads examining.
 

caroline schnettler (80)
Monday December 23, 2013, 2:48 am
I agree with Susan Allen : I think too that "Religion is one of the, if not the, biggest problem the whole planet has..... " }:-((
 

pam w. (191)
Monday December 23, 2013, 6:45 am
Thanks to Susan and Caroline! The whole "my god's bigger than your god...my god's better than yours'' nonsense has caused more human misery than anything else--natural disasters, plagues and famines put together!

 

SusanAWAYaWEEK Allen (221)
Monday December 23, 2013, 7:03 am
Gee Billie C., that's exactly how I feel about conservative republicans in the US. Divide and let the red states rot! Maybe then the idiots in those states would wake the hell up and throw the idiots in charge out. Of course that's only wishful thinking on my part.

Maybe you should take a good look at which one of the 3 big religions has forced itself on the entire planet, killing all who didn't want to convert or who were felt to be too primitive. It is the christians who have murdered, bloodied the world and caused unrest and problems throughout the world. Even now the evangelical christians are causing problems throughout the world on the LGBT front, working christians into a frenzy and helping them write laws and making homosexuality a criminal offense punished by death, prison or a loss of all they hold dear. If they were "in charge" here in the US, they would do the same, just as they are trying to do with abortion now.

Don't think for one second that if the fundamentalist, evangelical christians ever got a true, unfettered stranglehold on the US government (and they are trying), that they won't do everything in their power to bring in and enforce biblical law. They are trying to do it everyday with their open war on women and her reproductive health decisions. Biblical law is every bit as bloody and disgusting as sharia law or any other religious fundamentalist laws.
 

Natasha Salgado (520)
Monday December 23, 2013, 9:59 am
So very sad. Religion distorts and POLLUTES the mind. It does more harm than good--always has and always will.
 

Ms Noting Commentator (22)
Thursday December 26, 2013, 1:15 pm
“In a city heralded as the place where Jesus Christ was born to the Virgin Mary, the church is something of a modern miracle. Founded in a two-bedroom apartment three decades ago by the Rev. Naim Khoury, First Baptist was bombed 14 times during the first intifada, struggled with financial difficulties, and is now facing a legal battle with the Palestinian Authority, which doesn't recognize it as a church.”

Only a few weeks ago, Beth S. posted an article pertaining to Sumatra, Indonesia. Some regions of Indonesia are 86-persent Muslim. With the other religions, Christianity was under 5-percent throughout the country. Apparently, a few weeks back, church members congregate at their church—for services or not, I am not sure. Their presence attracted a large Muslim mass that began rioting outside the church and claiming that the church was “illegal.” The case was still pending in the Sumatran courts.

Somehow, the police were called and arrived at the incident. The rioters must have become life-threatening, because the police had to escort the Church members to their homes for their safety.

Until recently, I never realized that the wealthy Christians, or those that have the means, usually flee their countries when Islam aggressively attacks Christian communities. The poor usually are trapped and persecuted or killed for their faith. Even though, the Book of Revelations in our Christian Holy Bible—I am stressing “Holy” because of the recent media references of the holy Koran—states that the Body of Christ, an immense mass of Christians spread throughout the Sea of Glass in Heaven, were killed or severely persecuted before their death.

The anti-Christian ideology in Revelations parallels the Islamic ideology. Apparently, Islam does accomplish taking over the earth. It does force submission or enslave some populations and truly kills most—if not all—non-Muslims populations. I get the impression that the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ occurs when Christianity is almost erased off the face of the earth. And … I feel—and fear—that a terrible demise occurred with the Israeli population, as well as with many Jewish populations as well.
 

Ms Noting Commentator (22)
Thursday December 26, 2013, 1:31 pm
Western society—meaning Christianity and other religions—does not think like Islam. The Islamic ideology has absolutely NO similarity with other religions. Our unfamiliarity and our lack of understanding the Islamic ideology will work against our governments and our societies.

Islam is a political, warmongering ideology. We—all non-Muslim societies—must think and treat Islam like a military force, meaning WE NEED TO KNOW OUR ENEMY. We need to know how it thinks and feels about non-Muslims and Jews. We must come to terms with the DOUBLE STANDARDS Islam has for Muslims and non-Muslims, as well as the hatred it has for all Jews.

Not knowing our enemy will enable Islam to take global control of this planet, because Islam is on a conquest of doing just that right now!

The book, Modern Day Trojan Horse: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration, Accepting Freedom or Imposing Islam?, is around 139 pages. It explicitly covers in detail the reoccurring immigration process—Islamization—slowly creeping throughout the world.

Sam Solomon and E Al Maqdisi explain in detail how immigration imitates and emulates the life of Muhammad and is meant to spread and STRENGTHEN Islam for achieving a worldwide caliphate. They also introduce their readers to all the components of the system of Islamic Doctrine of Immigration and explicitly explain how each component works.

I greatly benefitted from reading this book. To be honest, while reading Geert Wilders’ book, Marked for Death: Islam’s War Against the West and Me, I learned about this book. Geert Wilders said this was an essential book to read, and he was extremely truthful about its importance! It is excellent for obtaining the mindset of the Islamic ideology!
 

Syd H. (48)
Friday December 27, 2013, 3:43 am


I guess whatever justifications you all need to continue treating a population miserably while decrying that it's being done to another population (using that as part of the excuse).

It does not matter one whit what another does, it's what you do that matters. Are you sanctioning, even justifying the ill treatment of another no matter what his/her religion is? Are you advocating even for children to be murdered, their parents kept from feeding them, their homes turned to rubble?

As for who supported the Nazis? Well seems the so-called Christian Bush family has a huge heritage of doing just that. They only switched allegiances when it became clear it would benefit them financially to abandon Hitler. But I bet a lot here telling me the Arabs (who are still very much friends of the Bush family) were Hitler fans also voted for Both Bush Babies. So seems you are also Hitler supporters. Still.


 
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