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STUDY: Climate Change Worse Than We Thought, Likely To Be 'Catastrophic Rather Than Simply Dangerous'


Environment  (tags: climate-change, destruction, ecosystems, CO2emissions, environment, globalwarming, protection, nature, humans, politics, pollution, world )

Cal
- 111 days ago - huffingtonpost.com
Climate change may be far worse than scientists thought, causing global temperatures to rise by at least 4 degrees Celsius by 2100, or about 7.2 degrees Fahrenheit, according to a new study.



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Theodore Shayne (56)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 10:18 am
Noted
 

Stardust Noel (67)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 10:34 am
Noted & passed
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 10:51 am
We can shoose the sustainable organic veg'n diet to reverse the damage to climate, forests, habitats, waters, soils, beings, migrating butterflies and bees, bison, wolf, extinctions and spirit. Over 50% of climate changins gases are via the animals as food and skins industries, ranching....
 

jan b. (3)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 11:10 am
During the Bush era around 400 good environmental regulations were reversed. Ones in charge believed the world is coming to an end soon anyway so why not use up the natural resources and thus it is what it is.....
 

Alana H. (0)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 11:23 am
Resource hogs continue to downplay the dangers or ignore them altogether. Who is selfishly endangering the future of humanity? Follow the money.
 

Michael A. (25)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 11:55 am
Noted
 

Stephen Brian (24)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 1:19 pm
even the IPCC, with its severe track-record of overestimating arming, doesn't even look at the possibility of that much increase anymore. Looking at the increase in historical data, nothing more extreme than the RCP 2.6-set, and maybe some of the RCP-4.5 set, really look reasonable to me. The IPCC apparently went into greater detail for the RPC-4.5 predictions, but those are likely just more of its overestimation.

http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5_WGI-12Doc2b_FinalDraft_AnnexI.pdf
Neither the summer nor winter-changes are expected to be even close to 4 degrees by 2100 except in models that include the highest imagined responses to CO2.

For the full report (which can take a long time to load):
http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGIAR5_WGI-12Doc2b_FinalDraft_All.pdf
 

Yvonne White (232)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 1:40 pm
To me the estimates are only slightly over-estimated, given that nuclear reactors keep leaking, oil tankers keep wrecking &/or leaking, and China is building itself out of 3rd world status to catch up with our Over developement..I am afraid more of nuclear winters than global warming. But that's just me.
 

Gene Jacobson (233)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 1:50 pm
Something I have noticed happening here in Minnesota over the last decade or so I have decided must be due to climate change, perhaps in a way not considered before. When I was a child, well, all of my life here, we have had cold winters, I mean COLD, stretches where it would dive below zero and stay there for 3 to 6 weeks in mid-December to mid to late January. You could sit in a car in those years in bright sunlight and because of the angle of the sun, feel absolutely NO warmth whatsoever in that light. The experience stayed that way until late February really, when the angle of the sun has increased and you again feel the warmth through the glass though it may well still be very cold outside.

What has changed in the last decade, and I noticed it again today, is that even when the temperature is below zero, as it is today, you could feel real warmth from the sun in a cold car through the glass. I was at a funeral this morning, I had my laptop with me, I was a bit worried about leaving it in the car while I was indoors, but I noticed again, as I pulled into a parking space, that even though it was -3 degrees, the light from the sun was WARM, noticeably warm. So I put my bag in the passenger seat and went in. When I came out a couple hours later, it was warm in my car (that also NEVER happened before this past decade), comfortable even. So I got to thinking, it has to be climate change but how? The angle of the sun hasn't changed, but what has somehow, almost imperceptibly, is the atmosphere through which that sunlight travels. It has thinned in some way, perhaps the ozone layer effect but that is only supposed to be at the poles, yet here it is, the coldest time of our year, when getting into any car that has been sitting outside should be frigid, the seats hard as rock, and yet, it was comfortable, the seats were soft and it was warm in there. Not the heater, that was blowing ice cold for a while, but the atmosphere within.

Now, I like this. One of the joys of every winter for me as long as I remember is that day when you are in a sunlit car and the suns rays again feel warm. I hate to complain about this, but what is the norm now, is not normal at all. Or it wasn't until the last decade. I think we are changing our entire atmosphere much more than we think and were I a betting man, I'd be putting my money on those prognosticator's being on the low side. I don't know that we can reverse what has gone this far. Someone will find out, some number of generations down the road, them, I fear for.
 

Yvonne White (232)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 2:35 pm
Exactly Gene! What we grew up with & thought was normal, now isn't..Normal is just a town in Illinois!;) Which also Isn't that normal either!
 

Stephen Brian (24)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 4:38 pm
Hi Gene :)

When did the change happen? Where I am, I noticed a similar change, but I think it had more to do with a change in my clothes or body-mass. (It felt a lot colder when I was smaller.) It could also have something to do with a change in humidity because wetter air feels colder on cold days and hotter on warm days. That might have something to do with urban sprawl and reduction of nearby vegetation that previously stored moisture.
 

Nimue P. (195)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 5:18 pm
noted
 

Susan Allen (210)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 6:46 pm
I think Janice B. hit the nail on the head with her comment about the reversal of climate regulations under Bush and strictly because of the "end of days" idiots.

Gene, I, too, remember much colder winters growing up and I live in NC. But even living in the south, we always and I mean always got snow at least once during the year and usually about 4 or 5 times. I can't remember a year when I was in school that we didn't get at least several "snow" days where we got to stay home from school. However, it seems since that just about every year since the mid 70s, it has gotten warmer and warmer here. We can now go 2, 3 or 4 years in between snows and the snows we get aren't really what you would call bad at all, even by NC standards. So, I agree with your observations.
 

Bryna Pizzo (139)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 7:48 pm
I've been right in assessing my sources and seeing the big picture. My hair has been of fire about this issue for years. Apparently, everyone's hair should be on fire because the planet is in peril. Thank you for the important news!
 

Bryna Pizzo (139)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 7:49 pm
I have posted and tweeted this article to help spread the news. Thanks again.
 

John B. (215)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 7:50 pm
Thanks Cal for the link to the informative article by Mr. Visser. The more we know the scarier the future looks. Read and noted.
 

Alfred Donovan (44)
Friday January 3, 2014, 1:00 am
Yvette T thinks that all we have to do is adopt her vegan lifestyle and all the worlds ills will be cured. what a load of tosh.
 

A F. (126)
Friday January 3, 2014, 1:17 am
:(
 

Gene Jacobson (233)
Friday January 3, 2014, 9:57 am
Stephen, the change has only come about in the last decade or so. It took a while to notice so I'm not exactly sure, but it had nothing to with better clothing or body mass. When you got into a car, even one that had been sitting in sunlight, December through most of February here, it was COLD in there, the only difference between that atmosphere and outdoors was lack of wind. That's what has changed. Yesterday, on a very cold day, with a biting wind, when I got into my car, it felt like March, warm, not at all the way it was as I grew up and really all of my life but for the past few years. It is something I notice because I so looked forward to that day in February when the suns rays though glass would feel as if they had some warmth to them again, it marked the end of winter for me, though there might be weeks more of snow, the end was in sight. Since astronomically nothing else has changed, it must be something in our atmosphere has, that allows those rays to have warmth all winter long now. On a cloudy day, it is as frigid in the car as always, only on sunny days do I notice this difference. We are right now in a too cold to snow state, very dry air, so this should not be happening, yet it is. And I don't think science has a clue about this observational change.
 

Michela m. (3408)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 2:41 pm
I am 63 years old and I live in Rome, Italy, but was born in Sicily, Catania.

Well, I remember that when I was 10 years old, I used to wear a LINEN coat for the "Middle Season", i.e. for SPRING and for AUTUMN. It was 1960.
In 40 years: Now only an always hotter Summer Season & a Winter Season. Therefore you ABRUPTLY shift from the coat to the bathing costume directly & viceversa!!!!!!! because there is no more Spring nor Autumn!!!!!!.

Well, I remember that when we used to go to Sicily, to Acitrezza, close to Catania, I liked to eat FRESH RAW MUSSELS, being sold - together with some lemmon - in the Acitrezza little port in front of the beautiful "Scogli dei Ciclopi" (rocks like the one in Capri). Just one generation after mine: my eldest daughter couldn't eat RAW MUSSELS because of POLLUTION!!!!!!!
 

Michela m. (3408)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 3:22 pm

Yvette T. didn't want to Join my Orangutans: Men of the Forest Group that specifically deals with CLIMATE CHANGE
she refused joining: because she is a Vegan...

I TRIED to explain to her

300 football fields of Rainforests being CLEARED & BURNED EVERY HOUR only in Sumatra & Borneo (more than this: now also Cameroon & Amazons Forests being cleared for Palm Oil)
to make room for Oil Palm plantations to produce the Palm Oil
that is unwittingly also used & eaten by VEGANS & VEGETARIANS
because it is not declared on the labels, or declared as "Vegetable Oils" or with the Latin Chemical name.....

This IS a serious problem.....



 

Michela m. (3408)
Monday January 6, 2014, 7:30 pm


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Muriel Servaege (37)
Tuesday January 7, 2014, 11:40 am
Predictable. The worst blind are those who don't want to see.
 
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