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Ultra-Orthodox Jews Protest Pending Israeli Draft


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Cal
- 221 days ago - news.yahoo.com
Thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews blocked highways across Israel Thursday to protest attempts to draft them into the army, clashing with club-wielding police who aimed water cannons and fired stun grenades at large crowds of black-garbed men.



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Cal Mendelsohn (992)
Monday February 10, 2014, 3:26 am
THERE IS NO REASON FOR A SPECIAL religious EXEMPTION FOR ORTHODOX JEWS IN ISRAEL OR ELSEWHERE.
 

John S. (303)
Monday February 10, 2014, 4:42 am
They should be easy to beat up, probably indicating an exemption is required. And I am not certain what you are recommending Cal, your comment seems to recommend bringing not even the draft but compulsory service. I would have to disagree with that.
 

Natasha Salgado (520)
Monday February 10, 2014, 8:15 am
I agree with you Cal.
 

Ben B. (39)
Monday February 10, 2014, 3:57 pm
I agree that no special exemption is warranted. Conscientious objectors individually may have a case, which should be judged on the merits of the individual case, but a carte blanche exemption for all ultra-orthodox Jews is probably not justified. Every citizen has an obligation to the State, which is part of the social contract, that includes defence. On the other hand, one wonders what sort of soldiers they might make?
 

Allan Yorkowitz (453)
Monday February 10, 2014, 4:54 pm
The average israeli cannot stand these people. These people live by laws of their own creation, and have the gall to call thier issues religious law.
 

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Monday February 10, 2014, 5:11 pm
Good for them! Thanks for sharing, Cal.
 

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Edo R. (71)
Monday February 10, 2014, 5:35 pm
Thanks for sharing!
 

Bob A. (13)
Monday February 10, 2014, 6:12 pm
If the Army wanted to accommodate special needs of Ultra-orthodox, like separation of genders, they would go to the Army.

The point of this conflict is not about the actual service in the army - there are lots of secular dodgers who nobody tries to catch. The conflict is about forceful secularization of that sector, this is why the fight will be long and tough.

Personally, I prefer compromises over the brutal force, because the compromises work better.
 

Brian M. (145)
Monday February 10, 2014, 6:20 pm
If people protested war as much as they protest drafts, then peace might have a chance...but apparently nobody really wants that.
 

John B. (215)
Monday February 10, 2014, 7:48 pm
Thanks Cal for the link to the article by Mr. Heller. Quite an interesting situation. Read and noted.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Monday February 10, 2014, 9:53 pm
There shouldn't be a special exemption for religious reasons, but there is another side to this which is often ignored. A lot of the graduates of these religious schools are unfit for modern military service. They don't have the education needed to do the job, nor do they have the attitudes needed to adapt and work with others as necessary. I don't think they should all be drafted immediately, not for their sake, but for the army's.

They will fight against the draft, and then they will demand accommodation in the army. Unfortunately, accommodation always has practical limits and in the military, limits of practicality can be severe. For example, there is no way they will get Haredi-certified kosher food if the demands for that are impractical on large scales, or lots of time for prayer when other jobs need to be done.

There are other exemptions which work regularly for secular "dodgers". That I know of, there are exemptions for national service (like representing the country abroad or working with an organization that does so), study of fields deemed useful for national interests (which may help explain the ridiculous rate of engineering-patents in Israel), and medical causes.
 

Stan B. (124)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 12:11 am
They need to do their duty like all other Israelis. Israel is surrounded by Arabs who can't wait to destroy it so these people have no excuse not to do their military service.
 

Alfred Donovan (46)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 1:35 am
I don't see how there should be one law for the Ultra Orthodox Jew's and another for the rest of the population.
 

caroline schnettler (80)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 2:16 am
I think that law should be the same for everyone
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 2:53 am
Noted, ta. Spammer flagged.
 

gabriele jefferson (147)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 7:00 am
different laws for different people? strenge...
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 9:36 am
Hi Alfred :)

Here's how there can be two separate sets of laws: Politics.
As of 1948, there was a deal whereby Orthodox rabbis would be given jurisdiction over Jewish family-law in exchange for their support of the creation of the state of Israel. That set the precedent.
For decades now, there have been parties in the Knesset, like Shas, which have no platform regarding the general well-being of the state. They seek the goals of specific groups of constituents and pretty much sell their votes to the highest bidder among the leading parties, helping them to form the coalitions they need to run the country. Shas, which plays to Haredi interests, played kingmaker for many years. The differences in law are the price secular leaders paid to run a country democratically with a large voting religious demographic.
 

Birgit W. (144)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 1:26 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

bob m. (32)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 9:53 pm


when the enemy comes .. put them outside the gate.
 

Julie W. (21)
Wednesday February 12, 2014, 1:24 am
What I find as bad as draft dodging is that so many of these people live on welfare. So taxpayers are supporting them in their religious lifestyle. Is that fair?
 
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