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Ukraine Violence Turns Deadly

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Until Monday, the government and the opposition had appeared to be making some progress toward resolving the political crisis peacefully.

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John B (185)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 4:57 am
Thanks Cal for the link to the article by Ms. Danilova and the video segment. Kudos to the European Union for calling a meeting of their Foreign Ministers to consider ""targeted measures against those responsible for violence and use of excessive force can be agreed ... as a matter of urgency.". Read, viewed and sadly noted.

Theodore Shayne (56)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 5:26 am

Past Member (0)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 6:17 am
Yes, a meeting should do the trick.

Winn Adams (179)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 7:02 am
I hope a meeting will help bring all to their senses. Thanks Cal.

Jaime Alves (52)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 8:50 am

pam w (139)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 9:06 am
We'll see, won't we? There are a lot of challenges.

. (0)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 10:08 am
Putin give up the Ukraine? Not so fast....

Miia Suuronen (44)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 12:13 pm
Paljon saattaa olla vielš mutkia matkassa...

Birgit W (160)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 1:35 pm
Sadly noted.

Kathleen R (138)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 2:45 pm
noted & read

Elena M (142)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 4:33 pm
One-sided description of events. Those who are calling to arms through their FB pages are not very peaceful.
One Great Country (not Russia) wants to turn Ukraine into new Yugoslavia.
My city is burning now... Why?!

Walter F (128)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 9:31 pm
Russia supporting the government and America for some reason supporting the rebels.Perhaps the soviet union should never been spit up..

Colleen L (3)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 11:30 pm
So sad. I wish they'd put an end to all of the violence. Thanks Cal

steven brockwell (0)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 11:32 pm
I have been seeing what is going on in this world and have noticed how a simple protest turns into nothing more than a riot. How far can one take democracy before it becomes out of hand. What right does one have to burn, kill in order to demand a change. or has this got to do with out side interference. Why does the E.U want to bring Ukraine into its grasp when it cannot even supply jobs for its own people or have they promised something that is not . i live in Malta and i can tell you now if we had to re take a vote on being part of the E.U IT WOULD BE NEGATIVE . all we have seen over the years is people from other country's coming here and taking our jobs, inflation has gone through the roof, wealth is on the decline while the number of poor are rising. this is not what we voted for, maybe the people of Ukraine should look at the whole picture for before jumping the gun. end the violence and sit at the talking table before it turns into a civil war.

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 20, 2014, 1:05 am
It looks like another civil war is in the making.

ewoud k (68)
Thursday February 20, 2014, 1:42 am
There's more behind all this than can just be explained in a few lines, heavy industry and access to the Mediterranian in the eastern part, more modern agriculture in the western part of the country, Russian money (since the rest of the world is buying their oil and gas Poutin has plenty of it) and russia's need for this heavy industry on one side (the eastern/government's-), need and willingness for modernization of agriculture and politics on the rebel's/western-side....

Even if Wikipedia isn't perfect (kidding...), take a look on the Wiki-page.

There seems to be some sort of truce, but papers claimed this morning that extreme-right-wingers are not willing to step down, they are said to be willing to fight on....

This looks like another proof that violence leads nowhere, and that (civil-)wars don't determine who's right, but only who's left.....

Elena M (142)
Thursday February 20, 2014, 4:22 am
Ewoud, it's true about right-wingers. Yesterday, they announced that they did not participate in negotiations between president and opposition about truce, that's why they are not obligated to step down. 30 killed so far this morning... EU representatives are in Kiev now. The latest announcements from right-wingers- they promise to stop the bloodshed but in return president should resign, change Constitution, establishment of new government and tell police to not use firearms against protestors. New negotiations between president and opposition are scheduled on 3 pm local time.

steven brockwell (0)
Thursday February 20, 2014, 7:20 am
i have just watched the latest news and it is not very good. i am licensed to carry a fire arm, but not to use in in a public place for i am breaking the law and the police have right to detain me.1.
i can demonstrate for that is my democratic right to voice my views, but when i start setting fire to buildings and cars i am breaking the law. when i force my way into government buildings i am breaking the law. when i protester uses sniper fire to shoot at the police he is breaking the law. when i throw petrol bombs at the police i am breaking the law. so what do you want their government to do apprehend the violates or submit to extreme violence. this is not the way to go about things and democracy is now out of the window. just imagine if this happened in new york where people are shooting at police, burning buildings, blockading the streets, what would your government do, hand them the keys to the white house. i think not. this is the work of extremist, and where is the opposition who should be calming things down. ??? for they are his supporters.

Marija M (29)
Thursday February 20, 2014, 12:01 pm
noted, tks

fly bird (26)
Thursday February 20, 2014, 12:16 pm
Sad news. People have had enough of repressive government and brutality.

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 20, 2014, 1:14 pm
I admit, i know very little about what's going on over there, and i seldom watch the MSM, but i have caught a few segments with some violent footage. The problem is, the footage i saw showed the protesters dragging politicians to the ground and beating them, and footage of protesters' tire and trash fires in the streets. I also saw Obama threaten the Ukraine gov't. if the hurt the protesters. How much would our authorities put up with, in America, if protesters did that here?

Stan B (123)
Thursday February 20, 2014, 1:17 pm
It's not looking good. Hard line dictators like Putin don't want to see true democracy in the Ukraine.

Mary Donnelly (47)
Thursday February 20, 2014, 7:33 pm
It just keeps getting worse.

steven brockwell (0)
Friday February 21, 2014, 12:40 am
Elena m
the right thing to do is for the government to call an early election. but still people can not jump to the streets every time they disagree with some thing peacefully yes but not barricade the square and so on.
what if a new government was formed and the people did not like what he was doing will the same thing happen all over again.

ewoud k (68)
Friday February 21, 2014, 12:41 am
While Ukrainians and the world are waiting for the outcome of last night's negotiations and the number of deads of last night (another 30? hard to verify figures, estimations for three nights vary from 64 up to 'at least 100'), just to get things (a bit) straight(er):

According to what was said by Natalie Pasternak, member of EuromaÔdan France, yesterday at french radio, allegations that right-wingers have taken over the protests are Putin-propaganda, and were not true.

She spoke of militia hired by authorities, armed with rifles, hiding on roofs to 'shoot to kill' protesters, many of whom are not armed at all, or 'just' with sticks to defend themselves against state-violence. Protests are going on for three months now, she said, and only recently things get out of hand on the protesters' side (cars burning, shopwindows breaking). Compared to protests in the west, she said, things happened rather calmly until now.

But this doesn't bring a solution, but this might counterbalance a bit other statements.

Past Member (0)
Friday February 21, 2014, 8:42 am
Ukrainians are comprised of two large population groups:
Westerners who are mostly Catholics, small Russian population and who prefer EU, and
Easterners who are Orthodox Christians, have a large Russian population and prefer Moscow.

The may end up in Ugoslavian future, as two republics within Ukraine, or even worse.

ewoud k (68)
Friday February 21, 2014, 11:16 am
For those who understand french, listen to the following link.
Maybe not the most up-to-date (feb 20), but gives some background-information:

As for todays 'treaty'.... only time will tell what this is worth....

ewoud k (68)
Saturday February 22, 2014, 12:21 pm
Julia Timosjenko was liberated today, Viktor Janoekovits left Kiev and was -so is said in the papers here in Europe- arrested when he wanted to leave the country to go to Russia, today feb 22nd marks a turning point.

It's just too soon to determine where the future of Ukraine is turning to.

Police forces say the chose the side of the opposition, defense-minister said that 'the army won't shoot at civilians'.

Elections mai 25th, one of the candidates will be -she announced- Julia Timosjenko.

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