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Israel and Russia Are Getting Along. Have the Neocons Noticed?


World  (tags: israel, politics, usa, Russia, us politics, neocons, interesting )

Cal
- 254 days ago - theweek.com
On friendship and double standards



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gabriele jefferson (148)
Friday April 18, 2014, 6:43 am
noted, shared on fb, twitter, google, thx,
 

Gene Jacobson (256)
Friday April 18, 2014, 8:09 am
"This report and Israel's warming relations with Russia became an occasion for Andrew Sullivan to reflect on the similarities between those two nations."

While this is true, it ought also be noted that Israel is hardly the only nation in the middle east cozying up to Russia. I read an article a few backs that said Saudi Arabia is doing the same thing. And we know Iran is as well. What is interesting is how Putin intends to juggle those relationships with three nations that hate each other. Russia seems to want to be the worlds arms dealer and doesn't really care to whom they sell. But that house of cards could well come crashing down on Putin when push comes to shove as it so often does in that region of the world. What is of note as well is the reason they are wandering east, it is because they don't trust US. Our wobbling commitments and statements that are ideologically opposed and often contradictory depending on the audience by both parties are seen as a new American isolationism in a way. No one feels they can rely on us for anything given our internal self-destructive behaviors. Who could blame them? It's true. Republicans oppose anything Obama does, regardless whether that also corrupts their own previous positions. The shenanigans as seen outside this country cause other nations to look at us as unstable, and we are if only mentally. We need get our own house(s) in order before we can resume preaching to the world the benefits of our way of life. Right now we are one dysfunctional family on a very large scale. We don't trust each other, why should any other country then do so? We need to get our act together because we do have values that are important to the world, even if they are hidden by the internecine warfare underway in this country since 2010 elections.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (448)
Friday April 18, 2014, 10:26 am
Would Israel have voted against Israel on the Ukraine vote? Of course not.; it abstained. Russian and Israel have always had an unwritten understanding - you leave us alone, and vice-versa. It's been apparant that the Prime Minister of Israel distrusts this administration, and sees this as an administration that can not be relied on (thank you Gene).
On a historical note, when Israel needed additional planes in the 6 day war, they bought planes from the then USSR. Decades ago, when Israel airlifted straving Ethiopians, they asked the USSR for additional planes as Nixon would not supply them. When nobody in the 70's could get a visa to leave Russia, the government, gave thousands of visa to Jews who wanted to leave( a bit of anit-semitism there from the days of the Czars...). The point is, they did.
Again, the Ukraine vote was, I believe ,a wake up call to this administration.
 

Beth S. (334)
Friday April 18, 2014, 1:05 pm
After relying on the U.S. for decades, even non-Muslim Brotherhood Egypt realizes it can't trust the U.S. and is cozying up to the Russians.

This is what happens when you have a U.S. administration that supports the Muslim Brotherhood, Turkey's Islamist government, gives Iran more respect than it does to Israel, etc.

Not sure what your point is, Cal. The world under the USSR was a very different place than it is now without it. Also, "neocon" is usually a derogatory code word for Jew. Are you sure that this is the message you want to send?
 

Roger Garin-michaud (115)
Friday April 18, 2014, 1:10 pm
noted, thanks
 

Lynn C. (94)
Friday April 18, 2014, 5:21 pm
noted. Thank you.
 

Clare M. (80)
Friday April 18, 2014, 5:22 pm
Noted ty
 

Joanne Dixon (40)
Friday April 18, 2014, 7:23 pm
The neocons, who are mostly white Anglo-Saxon Protestants, are so in love with Putin themselves that it's hard to see why they would have a problem with this.
 

Betty Kelly (4)
Friday April 18, 2014, 8:03 pm
I have never understood why the US spends & risks so much to protect Isreal.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 18, 2014, 9:31 pm
Guilty tribute for the many sent from America to the gas chambers when they docked in USA..no entry..the Nazis of America.. Grampa BUSH, Bushy Bush, Dubya Bush, dirty Co. GOP..DEMS...ALL..owned..players..shills, globally corrupted corporate run govts..sold out. Buy gold on the sly :) Silver, anything but US bucks :) Amero already endentured to China :0) What a freakin nut show. :)
And toe nails on me camels toes..:)
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 4:35 am
I'm not buying into this. I firmly stand by Israel, and that is that. Thanks Cal.
 

Panchali Yapa (19)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 6:26 am
Thank you
 

Birgit W. (152)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 1:37 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 2:03 pm
Noted/Thanks
 

Jaime A. (35)
Saturday April 19, 2014, 11:28 pm
Noted, long live ISRAEL.
I Don't trust the USA, MONEY RULES IN THE USA not Morals.!!
The USA as become a corrupt nation ran by corrupt Politicians.
 

Ben B. (39)
Sunday April 20, 2014, 4:04 am
Israel abstained from the vote on Ukraine, i.e. it didn't vote "for" or "against" the censure motion. I don't think abstaining from a vote should necessarily be interpreted as pro or con US or Russian foreign policy. Israel is simply charting an independent course on foreign policy, as any independent nation ought.

Israel isn't part of the Union (either US or the former USSR)... The bi-lateral (US-Israel) economic relationship is obviously multi-faceted. A question of foreign policy, complicated by independent defence, political and economic issues, and the interaction of domestic politics in all four nations (US, Ukraine, Russia and Israel) and international relations between them, is bound to be complicated. Should economic and political interests and policies coincide perfectly on every question between Allies? Is one nation's foreign policy to be bought by another?

In addition, I think Dougherty's article lacks clarity. His critique and commentary on three other authors' positions (Sullivan, Larison and Kristol) and the initiating HaAretz article etc. is somewhat confusing and/or confused. Friendship/Double-standards/Hypocrisy etc. critiquing neo-conservative positions.... I think he was trying to do too much in one short article.
 

Patsy Olive (0)
Sunday April 20, 2014, 11:55 am
Noted. Thanks.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Monday April 21, 2014, 11:54 pm
So let me get this straight:

The E.U. was going to get a trade-deal with Ukraine to end Russia's stranglehold on its supply of natural gas and oil. Russia first bribed the Ukrainian president to stop this, and, when that failed, pushed for control over an oil- and gas-rich part of Ukraine to maintain its control. The E.U. has pushed diplomatically to turn it into a pariah and recently threatened sanctions against it. Now people are, for some reason, surprised that Israel has been unenthusiastic about helping the E.U. with whatever diplomatic leverage Europeans have left it.

Perhaps Israel should work diplomatically to help the Ukraine. Then again, perhaps countries considered notorious for antisemitism should not expect Israel to go out of its way to help.
 
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