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Why Is the West So Afraid of Islam?


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Cal
- 135 days ago - theweek.com
Fear of Islamic radicalism cows the West into silence on Christian persecution



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Allan Yorkowitz (448)
Monday August 4, 2014, 4:45 am
Thanks for this Cal.
 

pam w. (191)
Monday August 4, 2014, 5:56 pm
Islam is a cult. It seeks to control every aspect of life within its sway....be it personal expression, artistic expression, freedom of religion (and FROM religion,) womens' reproductive, educational and personal rights...all the things we take for granted in a democratic society are forbidden in Islam.

I'm not sure the west is ''afraid'' of Islam as much as we're highly suspicious.

Islam is the antithesis of democracy. Anyone who values personal freedoms understands this.

 

Walter F. (77)
Monday August 4, 2014, 7:53 pm
Our fesr is not for ourselves but for our descendents,who may experience all the cruelty and oppression that go withe this evil cult.By the end of this century their numbers will be almost 50% of our population and they will be in a position of power and authority..We have seen this in several other countries where they have reached a significant proportion of the population.The cult has't changed its practices and beliefs nsince its inception ,it is unlikrly it will changr now..One day we will curse our stupid bloody politicians who allowed rthis insidious evil into our country.It is evil incarnate.
 

S J. (118)
Monday August 4, 2014, 9:23 pm
set myself free from fear, no worry.
thanks
 

Billie C. (2)
Monday August 4, 2014, 9:45 pm
until muslims decide to join the modern world and stop living in the dark ages they need to be locked away from everybody else. all the idiots that want to live with them go to some muslim hell hole and live with them there. we don't want or need them. you can't trust them and i don't care to try to. ship them all back to their countries and keep them there. let them fight each other instead of dragging us into their bull. maybe one day they will kill each other off and the world will be a much better place.
 

Parsifal O. (102)
Monday August 4, 2014, 10:46 pm

because propaganda works Cal.

And because the radical Sunnis with their Jihadi Cannibal cut-throat Takfiri Wahhabi proxy-terrorists from Saudi Arabia do what is told them by the kinghouse -- close allies to the Zionist government of Israel and the whole US. government in their pockets.
 

M Away M. (461)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 12:06 am
Noted not going to open my mouth~
 

Alfred Donovan (46)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 1:05 am
The brutality of Muslims exhibited and displayed against those who are not of their faith does not inspire trust or even respect in those who do not believe in their warped logic.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 1:23 am
I don't think it's fear. It's local politicians and activists using international affairs as a proxy:

The basic assumption of liberalism is that people, if left free, will succeed. Success is normally defined as (at least) near-average performance in an overall community by whatever measure. Applying this assumption, having a statistically significant demographic group fall below average implies that the below-average group is oppressed. That, alone is obviously not a problem. The problem is that many people associate a moral value with the maintenance of this assumption and will not abandon it when considering any case, regardless of the facts of the case in question. As far as these liberal extremists are concerned, any failure in the Islamic world must be the result of oppression by other, more successful members of the international community. They genuinely blame the West for oppression of Christians in Islamic countries and oppose any measures harmful to tyrannical Islamic theocrats because they consider those to be the real victims of the story.

There are, sadly, just too many votes locked up in the "Let Islamic theocrats do whatever they want" bloc for Western countries to do very much.
 

Louise D. (38)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 1:30 am
This is the result of the Western dependence on oil, much of the economic problems that occurred in the 1970s were the result of Opec raising oil prices sixfold because the Arab armies were routed by the Israelis. As a result the West has had to walk on eggshells not to offend them. Much of the Islamic terrorism has been the result of a toxic mix of Fascist writing with funding during the cold war from both sides and the fact the Muslim world has been afflicted with economic stagnation for many centuries. Once the oil runs out there is going to be little for Muslims countries to do but unleash deep seated resentments. The Muslim world has not had a Renaissance and is very much stuck in the theocratic autocracy mentality of 1400 years ago.
 

Hilary S. (45)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 3:16 am
my question is 'why is the west not MORE afraid of islam?' still, perhaps fear of islam is less useful than wise to it. why is the world so deliberately unwise?
 

Dimitris Dallis (2)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 3:22 am
I believe the "West" mostly afraid of the fanatics - no matter they are fanatics themselves in another way.
 

Shil O. (0)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 5:38 am
No such thing as radical islam -- that is a western construct not corroborated by islamic texts
 

Barbara D. (78)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 5:54 am
Perhaps it isn't radical Islam.....but the fact that there have been 15 major conflicts in the Middle East in the past two decades (NOT involving Israel!), that thousands of people are dying EVERY DAY in the countries that are currently under attack by ISIS radicals, that not only Jews but Buddhists, Christians, and the *wrong kind* of Muslims are being targeted, that the radical terrorism has spilt out across the globe...begs Hilary's question. Why AREN'T more people afraid.
Arab countries are denouncing Hamas and other terrorist organizations, not for love of Israel or compassion for what Hamas is inflicting on the Palestinians ~ because they know they're next on the list
 

Barbara D. (78)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 5:55 am
Shil, texts are not people.
 

Carola May (20)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 7:03 am
Barbara, but "texts" or scriptures are what people believe in and follow and Islam's texts do command the killing of those who criticise or leave it, homosexuals, and Jews and "Idolators" and the forcing of all non-mulsims to be ruled by Islam's barbarous laws, which repress women and allow the abuse and even murder of children.

I have read the Qur'an and many of the hadith and much of the disgusting hate comments of Islamic scholars and this is NOT a religion of peace or tolerance and never has been unless Christians and Jews at times are allowed to exist as long as they accept inferior status in their own lands.

In the last century Turkey under Ataturk, who the West still praises, committed genocide (the first time the word was used) against 3 million christians who were there before the Muslim invasion and conquest of that land, and the West sat by and did nothing then too, even refusing to allow Christians on to their ships sitting in the harbour as they were being slaughtered on the docks in what was then Smyrna.

Islam is the only religion that does not believe in the Golden Rule, except for fellow Muslims, and the only religion to command the murder of those who leave it, criticise it or are not followers of it. And this is commanded by their founder and their satanic deity.

You and many or most westerners need to get your heads out of the sand and read these "texts". These people are serious in destroying all we hold dear and the Muslim Brotherhood's US charter says their goal is to "destroy western civilisation from within" and force us all to live under Islam. Their many US front groups are, through threats and fear, are accomplishing this rapidly, aided by Obama and his administration which has 3 MB "advisers" - the equivalent of FDR having 3 Nazi advisers in his White House. Where is the outrage? And Obama has backed the MB's take over in every place they have tried to rule, and refused to back the people when they wanted real freedom and democracy. Note how he did nothing to help the Iranian people when they tried to rise up and throw off the oppressive yoke of Islamic rule.

Fear is the reason for the silence, and that should tell you something. This cult of hate and death is taking us over one town at a time. Here in Europe every city has now No-Go Zones with majority Muslim populations where even the police fear to enter and Sharia law rules, and any criticism of Islamic hate doctrines - even reading hate verses from the Qur'an can get you killed and now arrested for "hate speech" - even though you may be protesting Islam's hate speech. In 5 countries in Europe it is now illegal to criticise Islam, but you can preach all the hate you want to about Christianity.

The Trojan Horse of Islamic Jihad conquistadors is inside the gates of our cities and nations and they are destroying us from within.
 

Shil O. (0)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 7:55 am
@ Barbara D
What do you call people that revere a man who breaks his word, thieves,tortures,rapes,murders and has a penchant for young girls
This is the world of islam not radicalism and mohammed is the best example for mankind to emulate

Mr Mehdi Hasan, biographer of Labour leader Ed Miliband, can be found on YouTube saying as follows: ‘The kuffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Koran; they are described in the Koran as “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as not of no morality, not as people of no belief – people of “no intelligence” – because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Koran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world.’

On a separate occasion, jabbing his finger as he speaks with some force, Mr Hasan is recorded as saying: ‘Once we lose the moral high-ground we are no different from the rest of the non-Muslims; from the rest of those human beings who live their lives as animals, bending any rule to fulfil any desire.’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APAPqT3QdFU


 

Evelyn B. (49)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 10:42 am
I see that the Islamophobes are having a field day.

It seems that most religious groups go through periods where leaders push their troups into atrocities ... the Crusades are a prime example of Christianity's less than shiny past. Opting to use the label "Christian" for the Armenians is a misleader, when talking of the early 20th century in Turkey ... This was a(and is) an ethnic group, who was seen as a threat. In fact, the allies bear a heavy responsibility - they tried to mobilise the Armenians to cause problems to distract Turkey - Germany's ally - & weaken the Germans that way. Lots of promises made to the Armenians in exchange - including support to create their own land ... but once their help was no longer needed, the promises evaporated. Meanwhile, Armenian acts against the Empire were seen as treachery ... and the Ottomans never had a name for finesse in their styles of punishment.

Trying to stick religious labels on different sides in wars may make it simpler to refer to the different sides - but can be extremely misleading. Which suits the Islamophobes ...

Different Christian groups have been involved in wars against each other in the last century, too. Serbo-Croat (or Orthodox-Catholic) .... Ireland (Catholic-Protestant) ... where socio-economic divisions run parallel to religious groupings. Ethnic divisions are found in a number of the conflicts that have occurred. Why do you want to make it sound as though Muslims are particularly blood thirsty? You can find blood thirsty extremisits everywhere ... look at The King's Torah, listen to some of the extremist settlers .. does that make Judaism a bloodthirsty religion, because some members of the Jewish community preach selected blood thirsty texts?

Promoting fear and hate (which is what some of you accuse all Muslims of doing - but you are doing exactly the same thing) is totally non-constructive. There are conflict drivers, not conducive to building security and peace.
 

Patricia Martinez (13)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 1:24 pm


Oh, the tired, old flaccid "Islamophobe" word, knee-jerkenly dragged out once again to try to make people shake in fear of being called such a seemingly awful epithet.

First of all, there is no such thing as Islamophobia: A phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear, and the more one becomes acquainted with Islam, the more rational and reality-based the concern is.

“Islamophobia” is a word, part of the lexicon of people of the Muslim Brotherhood and similar groups to bring valid criticism of Islam to a dead halt.

For Islam and its supporters, it’s okay to do Piss Christ art, or call Jews dirty kikes, blood eaters, and so on. BUT DARE NOT START TO CRITICIZE ISLAM, EVEN WHEN IT’S 100% VALID, or you’ll get called an Islamophobe, and in very real life, have a good chance of losing your job and/or getting companies sued.

The above remarks are Islamo-truths, and we should learn to listen, discuss the SUBSTANCE, and not resort to name calling when it gets beyond our comfort zone.

Someone once wrote, “Islamophobia is when Muslims are uncomfortable with non-Muslims knowing the truth about Islam”.

And then we have the old Christianity is just as bad…..

Did you know that more people are killed by Islamists EACH YEAR than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined?

Or that more civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland?

Or that Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years?

Or that 19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years?

It is estimated that there are 1.6 and 1.8 BILLION Muslims in the world. In many passages of the Qur’an, it commands Muslims to destroy, slay, torture, terrorize, non-Muslims, to make Dar al Kharb (the House of War or “sword”) into the Dar al Islam, the House of Islam.

And THIS is what is all about, as it has been what is all about since the inception of Islam.

If even 1% of 1.6 BILLION Muslims are active terrorists, that is 160 MILLION terrorists out there, and that dwarfs in the extreme other active conflicts.

It sounds to me that most of the people commenting are promoting the TRUTH about Islam, the fascist political ideology with elements ofreligion and what it commands people to do: Jihad.

Now it’s true that historically Jihad has been primarily a military venture.

However, when Jihad is not achievable because of military inferiority, as in the Islamic world versus the Western world, then military jihad is put on hold, and other forms of jihad are employed.

One amongt many forms is “Lawfare”. In the case of the U.S., Lawfare is often waged by CAIR – the Council of American-Islamic Relations – the Muslim Brotherhood group – to aggressively use law suits to sue people into submission (and Islam means SUBMISSION, not peace, folks), so that their companies are sued if they fire a Muslim employee because the employee insists it is his or her right to go do Muslim prayers several times a day without clocking out, or cab companies because Muslim drivers won’t accept blind passengers with seeing-eye dogs, because Islam holds dogs to be killed, and many examples.

(Check out http://www.thelawfareproject.org/ and http://www.legal-project.org/ and http://www.meforum.org/2653/how-islamist-lawfare-tactics-target-free-speech for starters.)

Lawfare silences publishing companies large and small as well as universities into self-censorship, because CAIR will silence them with lawsuits, should they dare tell the truth about Islam.

People in Europe, simply citing the Qur’an are jailed, because the citation of the verses were done to show that Islam is not a religion of peace, but a parasitic, supremacist, totalitarian, supersessionist ideology bent on world domination.

But Islamists don’t want that secret to get out.

That doesn’t mean there are not people who are Muslim who are not good people, according to the Western standards of good, i.e., the Golden Rule. There are. Tawfik Hamid is one such person, and you can see his writings online.

Many Muslims are simply unaware of what their religion says, and their general standards are to treat people according to the Golden Rule, because they have acclimated or been raised in the standards of Western society. Simply being a Muslim does not make a person “bad.” All people should be treated with respect, until proven otherwise.

But with Jihad going on in disparate countries all over the world, jihad that has nothing to do with Palestinians, and with Islamists themselves calling for Jihad against the U.S. and the West, it is absolutely in every Westerner’s interest, every lover of free speech, human rights, freedom, liberty, and ultimately a life or death issue to understand what Islam is trying to accomplish.


 

jess b (24)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 3:57 pm
"The West"??
I don't like fear mongering and incitement to hate in any form, however veiled and however it tries to appear, otherwise.
I have never met anyone in the "West" afraid of Islam, personally.
Fear is universal.
I feel for those, victimized and damaged by entities that threaten, deny humanity, equality and human rights to others.

 

Barbara D. (78)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 4:30 pm
Carola, I was being sarcastic! I realize full well what you're saying and fully agree! To say that radical Islam is a Western machination is to say that you clearly are not familiar with the Qur'an.

And Evelyn, once again with such an exquisitely embellished soliloquy which deflects so well from the issue. Yes, different religions, groups, countries, organizations have engaged in wars. Civil wars where Americans killed Americans, Yemenis killed Yemenis. But NO ONE else has ever engaged in a pan-global war with the fanatically singular purpose of destroying ALL *infidels* towards the goal of world conquest. And NO ONE else has ever engaged in any war for over thirteen centuries!
Remember that after the Islamic Umayyad nearly annihilated the peoples of the Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa, they set their sights on Sicily, Hispania, and Gaul.
Sure, that's ancient history. You think?
In effect, you're saying that because Johnny poked Jimmy or Abdul or Kikoru in the nose on the playground last year ~ which was bad ~ it nonetheless justifies Pablo walking into a shopping mall with a HK416 and blowing away 47 people.

Patricia, brilliantly said! Why isn't the West MORE afraid? Westerners in their blissful complacency tend not to notice insidious warning signs.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday August 5, 2014, 10:52 pm
Hi Evelyn :)

I'm right there with you. It's not about religion. There is a strong correlation between Islamic states and trouble, but that has to do with the old Caliphate's traditions regarding conquest, not Islam itself. There are a lot of Islamophobes running around here spouting nonsense, but I think the comments here are quite instructive regarding the underlying mechanics of such things:

Islamophobes see a pattern in the data and build an explanation for it. That's entirely normal, and it's what everyone does for everything. It says very little about the people involved. It just so happens that in this case, the explanation used is difficult to falsify once it is accepted as part of analyses of relevant data, it would also work as a theoretically possible (though not probable) explanation of fuller data-sets, and it is easy to produce from incomplete information. Again, that says nothing at all about the people involved. Internally, a lot of these comments make sense, so recognition of phobia as opposed to rational concern is a real non-trivial task, no matter how obvious bigotry may seem to those who do not apply it in everyday life. Looking at that in reverse, what we see is that everyone, no matter how anti-bigotry and well-intended, is susceptible to similar bigotry, including you and me. We must remain vigilant against it within ourselves and understand how to recognize it and overcome it.

Now, everybody else here who has been talking about how bad Islam seems to be:
A religion is just a codification of a culture, open to interpretation and evolution over time. In its time, Islam was relatively enlightened, which is the only way it could get so many converts (rather than face endless rebellion preventing the spread of the Caliphate). Its lack of evolution over time comes from something outside the religion. Had it come from there, then Christianity, which long ago shared the intolerance seen in Islamic societies today, would have stopped Christian societies' progress at the same time.

On top of that, we talk about how there is a war between the West and Islamic religious radicals, but Westerners aren't the primary force fighting against the radicals. The people on the front lines, fighting them, are mostly Muslims in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. They may be seen as more "secular", but they are every bit as much Muslims as are the radicals, just of a more tolerant and less violent interpretation. Once again, the trouble is not Islam: Muslims are the dominant parties on both sides of this fight. It's a matter of foreign affairs for other communities, and even a dominant one for some, but their (our) fight pales in comparison to the internal division among Muslims. Seriously, stop bad-mouthing are primary allies, the real senior partners, in this war against violent Islamic supremacists.
 

Barbara D. (78)
Wednesday August 6, 2014, 7:38 am
EVERYONE has to make a concerted effort to differentiate between *Muslim* and *Islamic jihadist*.
 

Lydia S. (71)
Sunday August 17, 2014, 12:02 am
Islamophobe is a MADE-UP word, meant to silence those who do not wish to be subservient. As a person who believes in Human Rights, Women's Rights, Animal Rights, etc., I have NO intention of giving up my right to Life, Liberty or my Faith! Their goal, a Caliphate ... unabashed, straight from one of their leaders. CNN footage.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/08/09/ac-inside-isis.cnn.html
 

Victoria McFarlane (0)
Monday August 18, 2014, 3:46 am
I'm not afraid of Islam.

I'm afraid of people who want to behead me for not agreeing with their religion.
 
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