Monday January 21, 2008, 7:12 pm
The Alternative Information Center * Bat Tsafon * Gush Shalom * The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD) * Physicians for Human Rights * Coalition of Women for Peace

We, the Israeli organizations signed below, deplore the decision by the Israeli government to cut off vital supplies of electricity and fuel (and therefore water, since the pumps cannot work), as well as essential foodstuffs, medicines and other humanitarian supplies to the civilian population of Gaza. Such an action constitutes a clear and unequivocal crime against humanity.

Prof. John Dugard, the UN Special Rapporteur for Human Rights in the Palestinian Territories, called the Israeli government’s actions "serious war crimes" for which its political and military officials should be prosecuted and punished. The killing of more than 40 civilians this past week violates, he said, "the strict prohibition on collective punishment contained in the Fourth Geneva Convention. It also violates one of the basic principles of international humanitarian law that military action must distinguish between military targets and civilian targets." Indeed, the very legal framework invoked by the Israeli government to carry out this illegal and immoral act – declaring Gaza a "hostile entity" within a "conflict short of war" – has absolutely no standing in international law.

We call on the Secretary General of the UN, Mr. Ban Ki-Moon, to lead the Security Council to a decisive decision to end the siege on Gaza when it meets in emergency session on Wednesday.

We call on the governments of the world, and in particular the American government and the European Parliament, to censure Israel’s actions and, in light of recent attempts to revive the diplomatic process, to end all attacks on civilians, including the continuing demolition of Palestinian homes at an alarming rate.

We call upon the Jews of the world in whose name the Israeli government purports to speak, and upon their rabbis and communal leaders in particular, to speak out unequivocally against this offense to the very moral core of Jewish values.

And we call upon the peoples of the world to let their officials and leaders know of their repudiation of this cruel, illegal and immoral act – an act that stands out in its cruelty even in an already oppressive Israeli Occupation.

We condemns attacks on all civilians, and we acknowledge the suffering of the residents of Sderot. Still, those attacks do not justify the massive disproportionality of Israeli sanctions over a million and half civilians of Gaza, in particular in light of Israel’s oppressive 40 year occupation. Such violations of international law by a government are especially egregious and must be denounced and punished if the very system of human rights and international law is to be preserved.

The Israeli government’s decision to punish Gaza’s civilian population, with all the human suffering that entails, constitutes State Terrorism against innocent people. Only when Israeli policy-makers are held accountable for their actions and international law upheld will a just peace be possible in the Middle East.



The Alternative Information Center * Bat Tsafon * Gush Shalom * The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD) * Physicians for Human Rights * Coalition of Women for Peace

Monday January 21, 2008, 8:40 pm
"The Israeli government’s decision to punish Gaza’s civilian population, with all the human suffering that entails, constitutes State Terrorism against innocent people. Only when Israeli policy-makers are held accountable for their actions and international law upheld will a just peace be possible in the Middle East.
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I really like that very eloquent

Tuesday January 22, 2008, 6:15 am
NO WAR ON EARTH HAS EVER BEEN WON...ONLY PEACE!

Tuesday January 22, 2008, 6:41 am
Have Mercy!!!!!

Tuesday January 22, 2008, 1:27 pm



Revelation 2:9 - Show Context
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 - Show Context
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.



Many of those who went to Israel in 1948 were from EASTERN EUROPE.

Tuesday January 22, 2008, 1:37 pm

I am going to post on this thread part of a well-known speech made by Benjamin Friedman given at the Willard Hotel in Washington D.C. in 1961. Friedman was himself a Jew but later an anti-Zionist, and he tried to warn Americans of the power of the Israeli/Jewish lobby and how it was destroying America.

As you will see from the articles, Benjamin Friedman was an extremely serious and honourable man with impeccable (and Jewish) credentials, and he spent many years of his life and a lot of his wealth trying to warn the Americans and the World about the dangers of Zionism and of depriving the Palestinians of their rightful homeland.

Some links here including a copy of the sound recording of the speech:

A Jewish Defector Warns America
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

Ex-zionist Benjamin Friedman speaks out
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Freedman.html

Benjamin H. Freedman, Germany and the Jews: The Role of the Jews in WWI and WWII
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/freedman.html

http://dovaryeh.wordpress.com/anti-semitism-2/benjamin-freedman-a-jew-hating-jew/

The speech is also on video here at YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA3g6tkuDNI

Do please note the 5th, I think, paragraph of the speech, WRITTEN IN 1961!!!! -

"Now, when United States troops appear in the Middle East to fight with the Zionists as their allies to prevent the return of these people who were evicted from their homes in the 1948 armed insurrection by the Zionists who were transplanted there from Eastern Europe... when that happens, the United States will trigger World War III".

Tuesday January 22, 2008, 1:45 pm





Extract of the speech by Benjamin Friedman given at the Willard Hotel in Washington D.C. in 1961 :
World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. Nineteen-hundred and fourteen was the year in which World War One broke out. There are few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged on one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other side by Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey. What happened?
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Within two years Germany had won that war: not alone won it nominally, but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise to the world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean, and Great Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers, stood there with one week's food supply facing her -- and after that, starvation.
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At that time, the French army had mutinied. They lost 600,000 of the flower of French youth in the defense of Verdun on the Somme. The Russian army was defecting. They were picking up their toys and going home, they didn't want to play war anymore, they didn't like the Czar. And the Italian army had collapsed.
Now Germany -- not a shot had been fired on the German soil. Not an enemy soldier had crossed the border into Germany. And yet, here was Germany offering England peace terms. They offered England a negotiated peace on what the lawyers call a status quo ante basis. That means: "Let's call the war off, and let everything be as it was before the war started."
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Well, England, in the summer of 1916 was considering that. Seriously ! They had no choice. It was either accepting this negotiated peace that Germany was magnanimously offering them, or going on with the war and being totally defeated.
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While that was going on, the Zionists in Germany, who represented the Zionists from Eastern Europe, went to the British War Cabinet and -- I am going to be brief because this is a long story, but I have all the documents to prove any statement that I make if anyone here is curious, or doesn't believe what I'm saying is at all possible -- the Zionists in London went to the British war cabinet and they said: "Look here. You can yet win this war. You don't have to give up. You don't have to accept the negotiated peace offered to you now by Germany. You can win this war if the United States will come in as your ally."
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The United States was not in the war at that time. We were fresh; we were young; we were rich; we were powerful. They [Zionists] told England: "We will guarantee to bring the United States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side, if you will promise us Palestine after you win the war."
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In other words, they made this deal: “We will get the United States into this war as your ally. The price you must pay us is Palestine after you have won the war and defeated Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey."

Now England had as much right to promise Palestine to anybody, as the United States would have to promise Japan to Ireland for any reason whatsoever. It's absolutely absurd that Great Britain -- that never had any connection or any interest or any right in what is known as Palestine -- should offer it as coin of the realm to pay the Zionists for bringing the United States into the war.

However, they made that promise, in October of 1916. October, nineteen hundred and sixteen. And shortly after that -- I don't know how many here remember it -- the United States, which was almost totally pro-German -- totally pro-German -- because the newspapers here were controlled by Jews, the bankers were Jews, all the media of mass communications in this country were controlled by Jews, and they were pro-German because their people, in the majority of cases came from Germany, and they wanted to see Germany lick the Czar.

The Jews didn't like the Czar, and they didn't want Russia to win this war. So the German bankers -- the German-Jews -- Kuhn Loeb and the other big banking firms in the United States refused to finance France or England to the extent of one dollar. They stood aside and they said: &"As long as France and England are tied up with Russia, not one cent! “But they poured money into Germany; they fought with Germany against Russia, trying to lick the Czarist regime.

Now those same Jews, when they saw the possibility of getting Palestine, they went to England and they made this deal. At that time, everything changed, like the traffic light that changes from red to green. Where the newspapers had been all pro-German, where they'd been telling the people of the difficulties that Germany was having fighting Great Britain commercially and in other respects, all of a sudden the Germans were no good. They were villains. They were Huns. They were shooting Red Cross nurses. They were cutting off babies' hands. And they were no good.

Well, shortly after that, Mr. Wilson declared war on Germany.

The Zionists in London sent these cables to the United States, to Justice Brandeis: "Go to work on President Wilson. We're getting from England what we want. Now you go to work, and you go to work on President Wilson and get the United States into the war." And that did happen. That's how the United States got into the war. We had no more interest in it; we had no more right to be in it than we have to be on the moon tonight instead of in this room.

Now the war -- World War One -- in which the United States participated, had absolutely no reason to be our war. We went in there -- we were railroaded into it -- if I can be vulgar, we were suckered into -- that war merely so that the Zionists of the world could obtain Palestine. Now, that is something that the people in the United States have never been told. They never knew why we went into World War One. Now, what happened?



After we got into the war, the Zionists went to Great Britain and they said: "Well, we performed our part of the agreement. Let's have something in writing that shows that you are going to keep your bargain and give us Palestine after you win the war." Because they didn't know whether the war would last another year or another ten years. So they started to work out a receipt. The receipt took the form of a letter, and it was worded in very cryptic language so that the world at large wouldn't know what it was all about. And that was called the Balfour Declaration.

The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay the Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting the United States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that you hear so much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. And I don't think I could make it more emphatic than that.

Now, that is where all the trouble started. The United States went in the war. The United States crushed Germany. We went in there, and it's history. You know what happened. Now, when the war was ended, and the Germans went to Paris, to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919, there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation representing the Jews, headed by Bernard Baruch. I was there: I ought to know. Now what happened?

The Jews at that peace conference, when they were cutting up Germany and parceling out Europe to all these nations that claimed a right to a certain part of European territory, the Jews said, How about Palestine for us?? And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration. So the Germans, for the first time realized Oh that was the game! That's why the United States came into the war.? And the Germans for the first time realized that they were defeated, they suffered this terrific reparation that was slapped onto them, because the Zionists wanted Palestine and they were determined to get it at any cost.

Now, that brings us up to another very interesting point. When the Germans realized this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews had never been better off in any country in the world than they had been in Germany.

You had Mr. Rathenau there, who was maybe 100 times as important in industry and finance as is Bernard Baruch in this country. You had Mr. Balin, who owned the two big steamship lines, the North German Lloyd's and the Hamburg-American Lines. You had Mr. Bleichroder, who was the banker for the Hohenzollern family. You had the Warburgs in Hamburg, who were the big merchant bankers -- the biggest in the world. The Jews were doing very well in Germany. No question about that. Now, the Germans felt: Well, that was quite a sellout.

It was a sellout that I can best compare -- suppose the United States was at war today with the Soviet Union. And we were winning. And we told the Soviet Union: "Well, let's quit. We offer you peace terms. Let's forget the whole thing." And all of a sudden Red China came into the war as an ally of the Soviet Union. And throwing them into the war brought about our defeat. A crushing defeat, with reparations the likes of which man's imagination cannot encompass.



Imagine, then, after that defeat, if we found out that it was the Chinese in this country, our Chinese citizens, who all the time we thought they were loyal citizens working with us, were selling us out to the Soviet Union and that it was through them that Red China was brought into the war against us. How would we feel, in the United States against Chinese? I don't think that one of them would dare show his face on any street. There wouldn't be lampposts enough, convenient, to take care of them. Imagine how we would feel.

Well, that's how the Germans felt towards these Jews. "We've been so nice to them"; and from 1905 on, when the first Communist revolution in Russia failed, and the Jews had to scramble out of Russia, they all went to Germany. And Germany gave them refuge. And they were treated very nicely. And here they sold Germany down the river for no reason at all other than they wanted Palestine as a so-called "Jewish commonwealth."

Now, Nahum Sokolow -- all the great leaders, the big names that you read about in connection with Zionism today -- they, in 1919, 1920, '21, '22, and '23, they wrote in all their papers -- and the press was filled with their statements -- that "the feeling against the Jews in Germany is due to the fact that they realized that this great defeat was brought about by our intercession and bringing the United States into the war against them."







This might interest you in connection with the stranglehold the Jewish lobby has on American foreign policy and how this relationship (Zionist control) could drag us all into WW3.

Piercing the Veil of Terrorism http://mwcnews.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17180&Itemid=26

Tuesday January 22, 2008, 1:52 pm



Iranian Jews Say No to Zionist Incentives

Di Tzeitung, Guardian
Aug 15, 2007

Iran's official Islamic news agency reported a month ago that wealthy Iranian Jews already living in the Zionist State had offered $10,000 to every Jew in Iran who was willing to emigrate to the Zionist State.

The incentives - ranging from £5,000 a person to £30,000 for families - were offered from a special fund established by wealthy expatriate Jews in an effort to prompt a mass migration to Israel among Iran's 20,000-strong Jewish community.

However, the Society of Iranian Jews dismissed them as "immature political enticements" and said their national identity was not for sale.
"The identity of Iranian Jews is not tradable for any amount of money," the society said in a statement. "Iranian Jews are among the most ancient Iranians. Iran's Jews love their Iranian identity and their culture, so threats and this immature political enticement will not achieve their aim of wiping out the identity of Iranian Jews."

cont/: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/news/currentarticle.cfm?id=15





Enough to make one question : was the following a further desperate attempt by the ZIONISTS to try and entice the Iranian Jews out of Iran? especially whilst the article does state : `The letters posted to Iranian Jews, our sources report, are not signed; they were postmarked from different towns in America and Europe and from private addresses so as not to raise the suspicions of Iranian security services`


DEBKAfile Exclusive: Warning letters delivered to thousands of Jewish families in Iran advise them to leave the country without delay
October 17, 2007, 11:04 PM (GMT+02:00)

The letters, according to DEBKAfile’s Iranian sources, have been posted to Jewish families in Tehran (where the community numbers some 13,000), Isfahan (under 2,000) and Shiraz (some 4,000). They are captioned: Danger! Danger! Danger! and tell recipients to try and reach the West with all possible speed. Iranian Jews like the rest of the population face grave danger from impending events, the anonymous writers warn.

More... http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4685

The sheer EVIL of the Illuminanti - NWO - Zionists knows no bounds, has no morals, and certainly does NOT in any shape or form represent true Judaism or Christianity.

Tuesday January 22, 2008, 1:59 pm





British to blame for Palestine crisis

Ayatollah Hashemi Rafsanjani says the revival of Palestinian ideals in the world of Islam will bankrupt the Zionists and their masters.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=25896§ionid=351020202







Video & related text (from almost 4 years ago) A Message From The "Iraq Resistance" For the purpose of this topic regards zionism please note what they are saying in Para.15 :-

`Stop using the U.S. dollar, use the Euro or a basket of currencies. Reduce or halt your consumption of British and U.S. products. Put an end to Zionism before it ends the world. Educate those in doubt of the true nature of this conflict and do not believe their media for their casualties are far higher than they admit

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7468.htm

Tuesday January 22, 2008, 2:06 pm




The words : `will bankrupt the Zionists and their masters` have never been more true.....

Look at the current financial situation yesterday..... today.... and who knows what tomorrow will bring....

As they say `the chickens are coming home to roost` - collapse is now imminent.

Tuesday January 22, 2008, 2:41 pm



There is a huge amount available on the Internet about Koestler, his work and his essays and books etc. Apart from the 13th Tribe, his 'Roots of Coincidence' is also a good book based on much research.

You will find many references to The 13th Tribe in Islamic media and on Islamic sites etc because his research uncovers what many already knew, namely that Jews do not originate from Palestine! They are not "descendants" of the Jews of the Bible! The vast majority of Israelis are NOT Jews at all, but had converted to Judaism (which of course does NOT make them Jews).

It is the Zionists who want to put the lid on this fact that over 90% of those today calling themselves "Jews", are actually descendants of the Khazar people, originating from southern Russia:. Jews from Eastern Europe and Western Asia were descended from Mongolians and other Asiatic peoples who had adopted Judaism as their "religion" over 1,000 years ago and had become know as "Jews."

This was also so important for the Muslims as it strikes at the very heart of the Zionist creation of 'Israel' in the land of Palestine which belongs or did belong to the Palestinians.

There is a very powerful and staunchly orthodox group of Jews, real Jews that is, who are vehemently against the modern occupation of Palestine by Israel as the Bible says that people must not occupy the land of others.

The timing and circumstances of Koestler's death and that of his wife were, to many, quite 'mysterious'.







Some quotes and links:

"The Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews will proclaim their loyalty to pure Judaism and their opposition to Zionist heresy, which violates every principle of the Jewish religion. These people believe that the idolatrous Zionist ideology has nothing to do with Orthodox Jews, and that Jews are obligated by Judaism to live in peace and harmony with all other nations throughout the world, including Palestinian natives of course."

The reasoning behind the opposition is Zionism's disobedience to God's plan: "The Creator gave us the Holy Land thousands of years ago. Yet, when we sinned, He took it away and sent us into exile. Since that time our task is to wait for Him to send the Messiah." In the minds of these Orthodox Jews, the Zionists sin by attempting a return to the Hold Land before the Messiah comes, instead of waiting patiently in exile. Obviously, should not be imagined that all or even most Orthodox Jews oppose Zionism nor that the ones that do are therefore ill-deposed towards Jewish nationalism.

The Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews will proclaim their loyalty to pure Judaism and their opposition to Zionist heresy, which violates every principle of the Jewish religion. These people shall proclaim that the idolatrous Zionist ideology has no role in the life of an Orthodox Jew, and that Jews are obligated by Judaism to live in peace and harmony with every other people throughout the world, including of course, the native Palestinian People.

Pure Judaism proclaims that we are to accept the decree of Exile of G-d and live among the nations in every corner of the Earth, and are not to establish a State and attempt to end the divinely ordained Exile.

Pure Judaism forbids the uprooting of the indigenous people of the Holy Land, it proclaims its principles of humanity and justice that demands the total restoration of all human, civil, economic and political rights of the Palestinians, including the right of return of all Palestinians to their homes in historic Palestine, thereby enabling Palestine to be governed by its original native inhabitants.

In 1868, there were 13,000 Jews in Palestine, out of an estimated population of 400,000. The majority were religious pilgrims supported by charity from overseas. They encountered no opposition from the Muslims, and their presence led to no clashes with the Arab population, whether Muslim or Christian.


Here are some Jewish groups who are deeply opposed to Zionism.

Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews joined Palestinian protestors
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Demonstrations/20071120.cfm


'Judaism condemns the state of Israel and its atrocities,"
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/demonstrations/20070830.cfm


It is our hope and prayer to the Almighty that the future will witness a peaceful dismantling of the Zionist state and establishment of one unitary Palestinian state where all its citizens, Arab and Jew, will walk the streets in safety and brotherhood. AMEN.
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Statements/20070402PalestinianGvt.cfm


Anti-Zionist Orthodox Rabbis meet with Iranian President, Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Meetings/20070924Ahmadinejad.cfm

Tuesday January 22, 2008, 2:59 pm



WHO RULES AMERICA AND WHY DO THEY HIDE?

09/11/07

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/09/11/who_rules_america_and_why_do_they_hide





5,000 Russian Leaders Oppose Jewish Supremacism

http://www.rense.com/general63/5000.htm





Sharon to Peres: "Don't worry about American pressure; we control America" - October 2001

http://www.washington-report.org/html/newsitem_s.htm





Sharon`s Infamous Comment - `We Control America`

http://www.rense.com/general45/sharonsinfamouscomment.htm





Quite understandable why Iran`s President makes no secret of saying : they want to destroy `the zionist regime`? He doesn`t hate the Jewish race in general.

25,000 Jews live very happily in Iran. They refuse to be tempted by financial incentives (from the zionists) to leave and go to Israel. They say their heritage is not for sale.


NOT surprising either why Hassan Abbasi has stated that they have a plan drawn up for the destruction of ANGLO-SAXON CIVILISATION whilst America only came about because of Britain, and Australia, & Canada are all part of that same group.



Chavaz too has spoken out. So has Putin. Can so many be wrong?



henryMakow.com an enlightening source.


Genesis 9:6

Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.





Pre-Emptive Nuclear Strike a Key Option, Nato Told

http://www.guardian.co.uk/nato/story/0,,2244782,00.html

Tuesday January 22, 2008, 3:17 pm


It is ironic how, when people speak out against Israel, they are accused of being anti-Semitic.
What they refuse to accept is that one is NOT speaking out against the Jewish race, but rather against an ILLEGAL OCCUPATION whose origin came about courtesy of BRITAIN.

Just because we speak out against GWB or Cheney - it does NOT make us anti-American.
If we speak out against Brown or Blair, it does NOT make us anti-British.
Therefore, why should speaking out against ISRAEL pose such a problem ?

Thousands of Jews around the world feel exactly the same as Rabbi Weiss about Israel.


God`s Commandment states : `thou shalt NOT kill`

Another Commandment states : `Thou shalt not covet` (thy neighbours land, nor possessions)

It is ludicrous therefore to believe that it was God`s plan for people from Eastern Europe to go to Palestine, kick out the Palestinian people - and kill their women, men and children.

The Bible states : `God is NOT the author of confusion`

Only man appears confused.

Tuesday January 22, 2008, 4:06 pm
The land was given to the jews. The bible speaks about that. Israeli are so stupid to give the Palestines a piece of the land so when they came and they ran the jews out of their own land. Israel are so stupid because they allow this mess by not taken heed to God's word. He bless them with the land. This has been going on and on for many years about the land in Israel. War is going to happen because of Israel with their stupid self. I agree with you Robin about God is not the author of confusion and that is true.

Tuesday January 22, 2008, 5:35 pm
Here we go again.
Anyone spewing hate is no longer part of any solution.
Who cares who was there before and who came back and who belongs... they all belong!
The truth of the matter is: today there are a lot of people, Jewish, Palestinian, and many others, who live there now in conflict, all of whom deserve to have a land to call their own and a happy, healthy, productive life. The question is no longer WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO BE THERE AND NOT? THEY ALL DO. Let's stop talking about how we got there and start talking about how we can get out of ths problem in a humane, civilized manner. Those who want the palestinians out, those who want to sweep the Jews into the ocean, they are not interested in peace. But they are not he only ones there. Let's stop talking about them and start interviewing the real victims here: children, men and women who live in a permanent state of fear, from either side.
STOP THE CRAZINESS, STOP WITH THE HATEFUL RHETORIC!!!
Let's address what needs to be done: the palestinian people need to have an infrastructure to be able to begin to function as a nation. ANYONE SELLING THEM BOMBS INSTEAD OF ROADS HOUSES AND HOSPITALS DOES NOT HAV ETHEIR BEST INTEREST IN MIND!!! The Israelis need to divorce themselves from the notion of expanding their territory, and from having Jerusalem, all or nothing. Jerusalem is already a split city. Make it official, and make both Jerusalems the capitals of their countries. They both need each other to survive and to thrive. They both need to be able to trust each other again. ANYONE PUSHING FOR MORE HOUSES OUTSIDE OF ISRAEL PROPER DOES NOT HAVE TEH ISRAELIS BEST INTEREST IN MIND!!!
Time to stop the killing and start the building. Bridges, Roads, Schools, Hospitals... Anyone building settlements should be condemned BY BOTH SIDES!! Anyone shooting rockets into Israel should be condemned ON BOTH SIDES!!!

Intolerance is the enemy. ALways has been, always will be.

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 3:39 am



I do feel we need to clarify a few important points.



It is NOT a case of giving a voice to the `extremists` - but rather a case of trying to understand WHO set up this State of Israel in 1948.



This might not appear to be important to some people, but it is very important to those who are now suffering the most as a result of what `others` have done.



According to what I understand, the Jews were `driven out after the fall of the Temple` (or) as they would term it `they were driven into exile by God`

Therefore, the important issue here is this : on whose permission was the State of Israel set up in 1948?



Might we not liken this situation to one concerning Americans and the Native peoples.

The Natives were driven out - and the white man took over.

Now let us imagine how Americans would feel if, let`s say Russia (just for example) then decided we must put Native people back - and in doing so, it then resulted in countless Americans being made homeless.... countless Americans being killed. How would Americans feel if that happened ? (not very happy, I would imagine) They would fight back. Well thats how the Palestinian people must feel, is it not?



I am NOT attempting to take sides here, whilst we must also appreciate that it is now almost 60 YEARS AGO since all this happened. Those people (from Eastern Europe) who went to the newly set up State of Israel in 1948 would (back then) have been at least 20 years of age - which now means that those who are still alive will now be 80+ years of age. They will have had children, and their children too will have produced grandchildren. When people have been born there, it would be most unkind to allay the blame on them for what took place in 1948. That is why I havent critised those people directly, but rather I merely exposed the Government who was behind all this trouble. Surely it is not wrong to do that.



Yes, I feel sorry for the people on BOTH sides of this long running conflict. However, and what we do need to grasp is that both the U.S. and U.K. governments do support Israel - both financially and morally.



Rapture Ready: The Christians United for Israel Tour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig&



This is the part that Ahmadinejad keeps kicking off about, when he asks: `why should the Palestinian people suffer just because of the historical persecution of the Jews` That is a reasonable question whilst indeed: WHY should they? Ahmadinejad has never claimed he wants to see a world without Jews, but rather he wants `a world without zionism` (there is a big difference between those two - as Rabbi Weiss made very clear)



HOW SHOULD IT BE RESOLVED then ?



I dont feel that the solution lies insofaras `dividing the land` They will never agree. Both peoples deem Jerusalem and the Temple Mount to be very important to their respective Faiths.



Fighting each other, however, is NOT the answer. BOTH sides claim that they believe in God, yet they slaughter each other mercilessly, and without due thought to what is written that those who spill man`s blood, will also die at the hand of man.



BOTH sides need to seriously take on board what is written : `Thou shalt NOT kill` - `Thou shalt NOT covet` and very importantly `LOVE thy neighbour`



The ONLY way therefore is that BOTH sides need to (first of all) lay down all their weapons, and STOP fighting.

If all of the money that was donated to Israel and Palestine was used in a better way, then rather than buying weapons, then BOTH sides could re-build - houses, schools, places of worship, social centres, shops etc etc etc.

I dont see any reason why BOTH sides cannot agree to live `side by side` in PEACE.



IT IS WRITTEN that God made man in His own image - yet when we see all the atrocities, can we not see how far man is from that Image ??



Finally, BOTH sides claim that THEY own the land, yet BOTH Faiths believe that God is the sole Creator of everything. Now excuse me if I say : that being the case does the Creator not own that which He created ? If so, then neither side truly own any of that land.



NOT one of us here owns so much as one blade of grass on this earth - we only act as though we do. Mankind has become so arrogant, so self-centred, and grown so far away from God, that man has created all the problems we are seeing in the world today.



Governments are greedy

Governments divide people

Governments start wars, inciting one Faith to fight another

Governments stock up WMD



Yet all the while we can read that `God is not the author of confusion` and the most important of all the Commandments is that we Love God - and LOVE OUR NEIGHBOUR.

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 7:03 am
Is important to understant that I am NOT against the Jewish people! I am against the politics of the state of Israel. To me the difference is very clear.

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 8:47 am
Kim Daniels
The land was given to the jews.......BY WHO?????????????????????????

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 1:18 pm

According to the Bible, the Jews were God`s chosen people.

However, and as we can read in the New Testament, Jesus foretold that the Temple would fall - and it did - and the Jews were driven out by the ROMANS.

Nowhere does it say that they should pre-empt God and go back - uprooting others who had settled them, and leaving death and destruction in their wake.

That is basically what (I believe) most Jews (who dont support Israel) would tell you.
They are happy to stay wherever they have now settled and wait.

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 3:07 pm
Let Hamas do it's work to destroy the Zionist menace, viva las Hamas and all revolutionary parties in the world that are ending the domination of the US-Zionist menace!!!

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 3:21 pm
Robin wrote : "According to the Bible, the Jews were God`s chosen people."

Do you really believe that the Creator of Everything would favor one group over another?

The Bible is a story book, written by MEN ... God never wrote a book, Jesus never wrote a book, Buddha never wrote a book and neither did Mohammed ... so the "holy books" are labelled "holy" by men telling stories ... trying to manipulate and control people.

Rleigion: the opium of the masses.

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 4:31 pm
Really is enough!
It should give shame to you use words like merde, shit ... I belived that you are a civilized person but apparently not.
Not only you are unable to accept what others think as you use insults in your arguments!

- YES; WHO GAVE THE LAND TO THE JEWS???????? GOD? who is God? I am agnostic, ( I say that in my profile? I have never seen or known God. For me religion is a opium ... but I can accept that others have the religion they want.
Why I must acept that God give the land to the jews? Give me evidence! The Bible was written by men not by God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 4:44 pm
Maybe one thing we can all agree on is that all these people are suffrering from this on both sides. Children, Fathers, Mothers, Brothers, Sisters, etc. if only we could all live as one in this one world we share...

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 4:56 pm
Sophia, it's really the I$raeli$ who "have gone too far" at this point in time; I'm glad you recognize that; please don't throw stones at Mada, she is only trying to help the Palestinian people.

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 5:57 pm
Thank you care2

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 5:58 pm
As you stated Blue....who wrote the books/ It was men!!! ..Men from a tribe who thought they were superior and manipulated the whole world with this book...and continue to do so. I agree. Why would a god/creator favour one people over another? Certainly not my belief! Y Mada esa mujer que se llama sofi es una reina de drama..No le hages caso es pura drama.

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 6:04 pm
Anita
Thank you!
Estoy de acuerdo, yesssssss

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 7:07 pm
Mada, I do not base my belief in Judaism on taking various events as historical fact. Probably the Exodus never literally happened. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if Abrahm, Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Joseph Smith, or whomever is the newest messenger of
THE ULTIMATE TRUTH is, the ideas and the influence that they have on peoples' lives and actions are what matter.

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 7:13 pm
The Jewish people are not a race, we are a religion and/or a culture which has been documented since early times. Sophia makes a very logical point, if we're going to challenge the basis of the Jews' religion and culture, who is next? Please scientifically prove the basis of your own beliefs. (Atheists, for once you're 100% iclude!0

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 7:15 pm
Rochelle
I agree absolutly with you and I respect you in your faith.

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 7:20 pm
Robin, no, I do not believe that the Eternal ONE would favor one group over another, but I have hunch that the Jews, along with a multitude---in fact, the majority of self-identified cultures, believe that they are chosen to be extra-special good and to help G-d bring all of existence together (without all of this shitty, meaningless zinging of others that goes on here at our beloved C2CNN.....). "Sh*tty"----so, I'm not a "lady", eh, Blue? Big flowering surprise.

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 7:22 pm
Robin, c'mon. I'm getting arthritis scrolling through all of your cut and paste. And, BTW, the top half of the illustration shown for this story depicts a staged event. ( I cried same as everyone.)

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 7:32 pm
"but I have hunch that the Jews, along with a multitude---in fact, the majority of self-identified cultures, believe that they are chosen to be extra-special good and to help G-d bring all of existence together "

Well neither the Jews nor the christians are doing a good jobat it are they? !

"Staged event?" I do beg to differ Robin...again you are defending the atrocities. Why do people of the Jewish persuasion feel they have to defend the atrocities they commit? I have things to do but i'll PROVE that was not staged....Do you in fact deny these things take place too?

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 8:26 pm
Sorry..I meant that last comment for Rochelle (not Robin)..

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 8:56 pm
In this moment my, your, ours religion is not the point!
Please!!!!!!
This is the problem, here and in the world
put your eyes and soul in Palestina!

Israeli Chief of Staff Moshe Dayan said, "How can we complain about Gaza's hatred towards us? For eight years, they have been sitting in refugee camps while right in front of them, we are turning the land and villages of their forefathers into our home."

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 8:58 pm
Palestinians need candles desperately and they need your voice to speak for them

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 9:30 pm
Sorry Mada I just don't have much patience for people who choose to defend atrocities. Here's something to the point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efaTZiXAbp4

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 10:00 pm
In the Arab/Palestinian-Israeli conflict, 10x as many Arabs/palestinians have been killed as Israelis killed. No nation is "innocent". The point is that we want to end the oppression, and ensure human rights for all - which means everyone in Israel and Palestine, but mainly means Palestinians, because it is Palestinians who are suffering a brutal occupation, siege, impoverishment by Israel, and much more human rights abuses than Israelis are suffering.

Free Palestine!!!

Israeli military out of Palestine!!!

End the siege of Gaza!!!

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 10:24 pm
Hey Kim Daniels, I have a response for you:

the bible was written by human beings and contains many contradictions, myths and other falsehoods. It was compiled by human beings. There are a number of versions of the bible, and they disagree with each other. A group of sexist men got together and compiled the first bible, including some testaments and writings, and rejecting others - e.g. the books that show Christianity as more believeable, more egalitarian, more feminist and more psychologically healthy (less authoritarian, more about personal growth). Mary Magdalene's central role as either equal to Jesus in spirituality, co-leader of the Christian revolution, perhaps in a sexual relationship with Jesus, or at least as the most spiritually advanced apostle. E.g. the gnostic Book of Mary. I recommend that you read more widely about the history of Christianity, instead of merely reading conservative Christian propaganda.

Anyway, just because something is written in the bible does not make it true.

The people who were born in Palestine (including the land that is now called "Israel") all have the right to return there. Lots of books say lots of things - the Koran that most Palestinian people believe in says different stuff to the old testament. Which are we to believe? Why believe one of them? Why believe the other? Why believe any religious book? If we use the modern ideas of human rights for everyone (as agreed upon in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights), then we can ensure much more peace and much more happiness.

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 10:42 pm
Simon :)
Thank you, my dear friend

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 10:46 pm
Rochelle, you wrote this:

"The Jewish people are not a race, we are a religion and/or a culture which has been documented since early times. Sophia makes a very logical point, if we're going to challenge the basis of the Jews' religion and culture, who is next? Please scientifically prove the basis of your own beliefs. (Atheists, for once you're 100% iclude!0"

Science has already disproved the supernatural myths that are in religions. Science has found that many superstitious and authoritarian ideas in religions are psychologically unhealthy, causing suffering, unhappiness and social discord. However, science has also found that there is much wisdom in religions (ideas that help psychological growth, happiness and social harmony), too.

Yes, all this has been done, but it seems that alot of people have not paid attention to the advances of science in the last few centuries, and instead prefer to base their beliefs on blind faith. This is called "fundamentalism" (believing in dogma and refusing to change ones beliefs to match new evidence), and fundamentalism has been shown by psychology to be a psychologically unhealthy world view. It is clear in studying politics and sociology that fundamentalism is destructive, leading to religious violence, wars, genocide, and so on.

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 10:47 pm
Please see:
http://www.care2.com/news/member/198234727/613317
GAZA GHETTO

In protest of the Israeli continuous siege on Gaza, Israeli peace groups led by Gush Shalom and in coordination with End the Siege campaign, initiated a Relief Convoy to Gaza on Saturday, January 26, 2008, on both sides of the Erez crossing in Gaza, with Israeli, Palestinian and International participation.

GAZA
The cruel blockade of Gaza
Intensifies the hatred,
Intensifies the bloodshed.

All Israeli peace movements,
In cooperation with Gaza
Human rights activists,
Will participate on January 26
In a large convoy
To bring essential supplies
To the Gaza Strip,
Express their protest,
And demand:
Lift the blockade!
Join the convoy! Take your family with you! If you own a private car: please bring it, in order to add to the convoy! For details and registration: call urgently 03-5221732.
Gush Shalom ad published in Haaretz, January 18, 2008

Convoy from Israel to Gaza : all details

Call to the Israeli society to join the campaign 'End the siege of Gaza'

יוסר המצור על עזה!

Call to end the isolation of the Gaza Strip

גילוי דעת: לשים קץ לבידודה של רצועת עזה

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 10:48 pm
You're welcome Mada, compa mas excelente! : )

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 10:58 pm
Simon :)
Gracias compa
VENCEREMOS!

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 11:04 pm
si, VENCEREMOS! : )

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 11:08 pm
The savage brutality of Hamas

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 11:09 pm
Is good to see you in this new!
A Luta Continua pero Venceremos.

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 11:13 pm
WOW!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Blu.
I love it

Simon
Go to the site, please

Wednesday January 23, 2008, 11:15 pm
The savage brutality of Hamas
SATIRE...
________________________________________________
Jews claim they created the Gaza death camp to control a continuous barrage of rockets fired at innocent Israelis.

We don’t know how many of these rockets (if any) are actually fired, or how many are false-flag operations, or how many Jews (if any) are actually injured. All we have is the word of the Chosen People, who are famous for their love, their truthfulness, and their desire for peace.

Now we have PHOTOS of the Hamas weapons program!

Clearly we must protect Israel against these weapons of hate...

Thursday January 24, 2008, 12:51 am
Thank you Mada for the post, and thank you for the great contributions above.

Whatever the Old or New testement says about the Jews, the German Jew is German and not "israeli", the British Jew is British and does not belong to Palestine. The American Jew is American and does not have in any way the right to take the land of the Palestinians. The Palestinians are Muslims, Christians and Jews, and those people are the ones who have the right to return to their lands. Those Palestinians are millions (about 4 or 5) that were expelled by the Zionist settlers earlier in the last century.

If Jews were really 'chosen people', that means they would be very good not to kill or occupy others lands.. right?

All humans are equal, the better is the better for Humans...


"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know/identify each other (not that you might despise one another). Verily, the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (one who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted (with all things)." (The Qur'an, 49:13)

Thursday January 24, 2008, 3:02 am
Thankyou Blue Bunting for the link, and Mada for recommending that site. : ) I thought it was funny... but I had an uncomfortable feeling too, because, although Israel has killed about 10x as many Palestinians/Arabs as Palestinians/Arabs have killed Israelis, I do worry for the people of Israel, too....

I really want the freedom fighters of Palestine to fight more honourbly, not attacking civilians, and only targetting Israeli soldiers, using guerrilla warfare, like the honourable way that the Cuban Revolutionaries led by Fidel Castro did. That would be great P.R., and ensure much more international support for Palestinianian rights.

Thursday January 24, 2008, 3:18 am
Hi Al Amjad : ) what you have written is quite convincing. : ) However, what about racism and persecutions against Jews in Europe? What solutions do you recommend for that?

I don't agree with the setting up of a "Jewish country" of "Israel", nor any other racial/ethnic/religious state. I think we humans can all get on better if we don't make any race or religion the official dominant race or religion of a government. However, I think it was not destructive that Jewish people moved to Palestine before modern Israel was created century - with the condition that they did not oppress anyone.

If the Palestinians and Jewish immigrants (and Muslim and other immigrants?) had joined together as one family, and made one secular nation in that British colony called "Palestine", a new country for old and new people, for all religions, then I think there would have been much less suffering and much more happiness in the last 100 years.

Anyway, Al Amjad, that issue is mainly between the people who live in the Middle East now, as you do.... Do you want a one state solution? A 2 state solution? Etc.... I will simply continue to support the honourable movements of the oppressed.

Thursday January 24, 2008, 3:22 am
Oops, I wrote that 2nd paragraph with a mistake : ) I'll try again ; ) -

"I don't agree with the setting up of a "Jewish country" of "Israel", nor any other racial/ethnic/religious state. I think we humans can all get on better if we don't make any race or religion the official dominant race or religion of a government. However, I think it was not destructive that Jewish people moved to Palestine before modern Israel was created in the 1st half of the 20th century - as long as they did not oppress anyone. Of course I do not agree with the oppression that Jewish immigrants did to the indigenous people."

Thursday January 24, 2008, 3:25 am
Hey, by the way, my friends, it's great news how the people of Gaza have had some relief from the siege, with the people of Egypt's help! : ) I really feel for them. It has been like the Warsaw Ghetto.

Thursday January 24, 2008, 3:55 am

Mada has done a wonderful job of raising awareness (by her posts) to the plight of the Palestinian people, and it would seem a pity to spoil those good intentions by any of entering into arguments about who is chosen, who is not, whether God exists or doesnt etc etc etc.

The biggest issue here is that a Government(s) back in 1948 set up the State of Israel right in the middle of where the Palestinian people were living.
That to me is comparable to what would happen if say some other Government were to now send all the Palestinians - put them in a U.S. state - saying `here is your homeland` - and in the process they drove out and killed all the Americans who are living in that State already. CAN YOU SEE WHAT I AM SAYING HERE ?

If we enter into Scriptural issues we will find it to be very complex - whilst the Middle East (or parts of it) were in fact `the cradle of civilisation`
If we look in the N/T for example, Jews were NOT the only people - there were many TRIBES of people, including the PHILISTINES (which I assume were the ones who later became the Palestinians)
When we read that the Jews were the chosen ones, let us not forget that it is also written: through them ALL NATIONS will be blessed.

As Mada did point out, the posts are NOT intended to grind any axe with the Jewish race, faith nor culture.
As a Christian, I myself have every respect for those.
However, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE - (a big difference) between Jewish race/faith/culture as against what is now termed `ZIONISM`
Zionism is a MAN MADE and as Rabbi Weiss so rightly points out it forms NO PART of what true Judaism is all about. Therefore the axe being ground is against ZIONISM, and NOT against Judaism.

Much controversy was caused when the President of Iran lashed out at ZIONISM.
Ahmadinejad was very badly misunderstood.
Thousands of Jews live very happily in Iran - AND THEY REFUSE TO GO TO ISRAEL - even though the Zionists have put many FINANCIAL INCENTIVES their way.
DOES THAT NOT TELL YOU SOMETHING ?

It tells me :

1. Ahmadinejad has NO axe to grind with Jews or their culture/faith.
2. Also, it is these Iranian Jews (and many others like them around the world - including Rabbi Weiss) who have got a TRUE understanding of what God`s purpose is, and what Judaism is all about.
3. It is WE who misunderstand it.

When the State of Israel was set up it was not long after the end of WWII, and the Nazi persecution of the Jewish people (and others)
However, and as Ahmadinejad rightly pointed out : why should the Palestinian people pay the price for that. It was NOT the Palestinian people who had authored the holocaust and the terrible atrocities which ensued.

Unfortunately, and because people from Eastern Europe were offered a homeland in what had become Palestinian territory - it has caused another holocaust which much of the world tends to ignore.

It would be ludicrous if any of us here were to claim that setting up the State of Israel in Palestinian lands was a right thing to do - when in fact, Jews around the world tell us otherwise. We should at least believe them.

It would also be ludicrous to believe that such was part of God`s plan, when we can plainly read that it is written `THOU SHALT NOT KILL` and `THOU SHALT NOT COVET` (thy neighbours land etc etc)

Even to an UN-believer : killing and raping others of their possessions and homes is clearly WRONG.
It breaches Human rights.
So whether we believe in the Christian Scriptures - the Torah - the Koran - or whether we choose not to believe at all - this ZIONISM issue is something we really do need to understand.

12 months after the start of the Iraq war - they brought out a video - in which they too stated : `PUT AN END TO ZIONISM BEFORE IT ENDS THE WORLD`
That is not an over exageration whilst today it is the Palestinian people who are suffering - TORROW - IT MIGHT BE US.
Throughout the ages : Governments have seen fit to persecute many groups of people - and yes religion has been MIS-used in order to do that.
Nowadays, more than religion - it is GREED - (money & oil is the NEW religion) and the group most suffering nowadays as a result of that is the Muslim people.

Please find time to watch the video - it will make you think about what is happening in Iraq - and what this same group of ZIONISTS are now doing - and the repercussions it will have on America and their supporters.


A Simple Message of Resistance

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7468.htm


below, a 2nd - an update and follow on to the one above :


The Hidden Facts

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18483.htm

Thursday January 24, 2008, 4:24 am
Simon :)
You are a dreamer!
War is never democratic with the vitims.
I know that are palestinians and israelits ( jews, muslins, catholic, agnostic) that suffer with this conflict thare are so many years ago...but in this precise historic moment are Gazans who suffer more, much more and I cant forgette this.

Please see
Palestinians Break Out From Gaza Seige
http://www.care2.com/news/member/198234727/613292

Thursday January 24, 2008, 4:40 am
Robin
Thank you

Great links

I love this : "That is not an over exageration whilst today it is the Palestinian people who are suffering - TORROW - IT MIGHT BE US.

Thursday January 24, 2008, 4:41 am
Amjad
Thank you!

Thursday January 24, 2008, 5:46 am
http://www.care2.com/news/member/198234727/613653
Very Important Rockets

"Before assuming there is an opponent struggle taking place between the Israelis and Palestinians, one should agree then that the two parties, equally, have the basic right to live peacefully and securely, and accordingly have the right to self-defense. But when Israel, supported by the UN, US and Europe, keeps prioritizing Israeli citizens at the expense of Palestinian citizens, one should not adhere to the term "Israel-Palestine struggle" since it suggests an adversary. In "Israel-Palestine struggle" there is one party - Israel - which has the right to exist, and hence the right of self-defense. And for that right, it has the right to control the other party's right to live peacefully: it decides on behalf of the Gazans how they should live: "not easily", and block their access to fuel, food and medicine and arbitrary night-raid their homes and bulldoze them on their heads."

Thursday January 24, 2008, 5:53 am
Mada this is important news -noted with thanks

Thursday January 24, 2008, 7:25 am
Dear Mada please see in thread by Rodger in progressive winking cougar i am aware that there are there are many organisation which are jewish led ,who have been quietly protesting and trying to use generic routes to make complaints. israeli people also have been marching in protest along side palestinian. great job Hammas did to that most disgusting wall love n peace

Thursday January 24, 2008, 7:28 am
Tank you Penelope and pete

Thursday January 24, 2008, 4:44 pm
If this were an honest attempt to have a productive conversation that would help lead to peace----the only way that peace will ever happen, then I'd be taking a more active part. Just to respond to a few of the statements here and elsewhere by the same people over and over again: Simon, my point about groups who consider themselves "chosen", (Navaho, Inuit, Muslims, and many others) scientifice proof is not needed; it's the ideas/concepts that matter. Religion is only as good as what people do with it.

Thursday January 24, 2008, 4:46 pm
To the people who say that they're "not against Jews, only against Zionists" and then go on to post stuff about how the Jews rule the media, the world economy, blah-blah, go to my page and read all of my comments if you want my opinion. I've stated it before, and it's not worth my time to engage with unreasonable people.

Thursday January 24, 2008, 4:56 pm
Hah! Joke's on me: I seem to be the only Jew still responding to this garbage, the rest have been here long enough to realize that no honesty or sincere attempt at peace is intended by people who hide behind "anti-Zionsm" in order to twist, distort facts and interpret anything said as to go along with your prejudices. In short, you guys, and I'm not speaking to my friend Mada with this, seem like you tried to post far too many distorted statements for anyone to respond to without making this a fulltime job.

Thursday January 24, 2008, 4:57 pm
So congratulations, you've managed to drive ALL of the Jews away from here! Now you can all just play with yourselves.

Thursday January 24, 2008, 5:01 pm
And I do send money every month to pay for Palestinians' medical care, acknowledgement enough that I don't support the Israeli government's horrors against the Palestinians? Naah, probably not for you folks.

Thursday January 24, 2008, 6:43 pm
Rochelle...you sound like a bigot with a chip on her shoulder!

Friday January 25, 2008, 7:36 pm
zionists, bush, cheney, rice, all mudererer's. Starving people is not the way to peace and will only cause more conflict.
Peace, and my love to all, Sincerely, Cal...

Saturday January 26, 2008, 12:34 am
Mada, I don't understand what you mean. You called me a "dreamer". That sounds like an insult. It sounds like you are saying that I don't know the truth. Please explain very clearly what you mean.

You also wrote: "War is never democratic with the vitims." What is your point? Did I say that war is democratic with the victims? What I did say is that Palestinian freedom fighters can be more honourable - by targetting soliders and never civilians. This is what the Cuban rebel army led by Fidel Castro did - they fought honourably, and never killed any civilians - with one exception: spies and traitors.

The oppressor side, the imperialist side (Israel in this case - or Batista's neo-colonial army in the Cuban Revolutionary War) can be expected to continue to harm civilians. That is the way of imperialists - they can only win by terrorising the population that they want to conquer. That is integral to imperialist warfare. The only way to stop imperialists from killing civilians is to stop imperialists from waging war. And if freedom fighters want to win, they will be much more effective by fighting honourably, respecting the Geneva Convention and the other laws of war (only targetting soldiers, not targetting civilians; treating prisoners humanely; treating civlians with respect; never raping, never stealing from civilians, etc.).

The Cuban rebel army fought honourably like this, and this is why they won the war (with a force that started as 81 guerrillas, became less than 20 guerrillas with a military catastrophe, and only grew as big as 3,000 by the end of the war - such a small rebel army, against the dictator Batista's military of over 20,000 soldiers) - and it is one of the reasons why they were so popular amongst the people of Cuba. That is how you get the respect of your enemy, and take the moral high ground, so that everyone sees that you are more honourable than the enemy, and so people give you more support, and give the enemy less support. (In Cuba this meant that when Fidel called on the people to make a general strike, almost all of them did, and the Batista dictatorship fell.)

I recommend "My Life" by Fidel Castro and Ignacio Ramonet (in Spanish - "Fidel: biografia a dos voces") - in that book, Fidel says what I am saying. And Hugo Chavez agrees, too, as you can see by the way Chavez says that FARC and ELN in Colombia are legitimate armies with a political project that must be respected - but at the same time says that their policy of kidnapping is a mistaken policy.

You also wrote: "I know that are palestinians and israelits ( jews, muslins, catholic, agnostic) that suffer with this conflict thare are so many years ago...but in this precise historic moment are Gazans who suffer more, much more and I cant forgette this."

Why did you say that to me? I already said everything that you said. You seem to be trying to teach me what I already know, and what I already said myself. What is your point, Mada?

Saturday January 26, 2008, 1:25 am
Hola Rochelle, you wrote:

"If this were an honest attempt to have a productive conversation that would help lead to peace----the only way that peace will ever happen, then I'd be taking a more active part. Just to respond to a few of the statements here and elsewhere by the same people over and over again: Simon, my point about groups who consider themselves "chosen", (Navaho, Inuit, Muslims, and many others) scientifice proof is not needed; it's the ideas/concepts that matter. Religion is only as good as what people do with it."

Yes, I do say the same kind of thing over and over again. I call for human rights, for freedom for Palestine, and so on, over and over again. I continue to do it, because Israel has not yet stopped its oppression of the people of Palestine.

I also say the facts about Palestine and Israel over and over again to educate people. And I reserve the right to continue to say these facts over and over again until everyone knows the facts - AND SO STOPS ISRAEL'S OPPRESSION OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE.

I have read about the Native Americans and Inuit, and I have read about Muslims and met many Muslims, but I have not heard of those peoples calling themselves "the chosen people". I would like to see more evidence for that.

As for your claim that: "scientifice proof is not needed; it's the ideas/concepts that matter". Actually, science deals with ideas. And science disproves the idea of there being any "chosen people", and disproves many other ideas/concepts. Perhaps you agree and your point is something different? Or perhaps you would like us (you and me) to show our evidence for the claims we make, Rochelle?

Saturday January 26, 2008, 1:27 am
P.S. Rochelle, I definitely want peace. The only way to lasting peace is if all human rights are respected - and most of the human rights abuse is being perpetrated by Israel, so this means that when it comes to peace, most of the onus is on Israel to end its oppression of the people of Palestine.

Saturday January 26, 2008, 9:09 am
It has been revealed that el-Durha was not killed by Israeli forces!! ILt is part of the palestinian propaganda machine!! And there was never a turn off of electricity in Gaza! Israel continued to provide 75% of Gaza's needs even while being under fire!! Hamas turned off their own power plant as a PR stunt! They closed the windows, invited the press in and sat there in candlelight. Even the palestinian journalists realized it was a stunt! Sderot - and surrounding areas - have been bombarded with thousands of Qassam rockets. It is truly a miracle that there haven't been many casualties! But the children of Sderot are experiencing post traumatic stress disorder!! What do you think a country should do that is being rocketed on a daily basis??? Take this petition off!! It is totally one-sided - the side of those who are anti-Semitic!!

Saturday January 26, 2008, 9:20 am
Hamas staged blackouts:

http://standwithus.com/app/iNews/view.asp?ID=262

Saturday January 26, 2008, 11:38 am
The breaking of the wall between Gsza and Egypt has been in the planning stages for months, long before the Isaeli closure.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125026

Sunday January 27, 2008, 3:52 am
To those of you who have been duped by the MSM:

http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2008/01/darkness-at-noon-msm-plays-along-with-ha/

Sunday January 27, 2008, 8:18 am
Chaya..you sound like you too are in denial.

Here's something for you. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/palestinians.html

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies ­not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001
2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

10. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

11. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

12. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

13. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

14. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

25. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

26. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).

27. "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920)


"We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day."
(Michael Ben-Yair, 3 March 2002)





"Accusations made by a well-established society about how a people it is oppressing is breaking rules to attain its rights do not have much credence."
(Shlomo Ben-Ami, 2000)





"We'll make a pastrami sandwich of them, ... we'll insert a strip of Jewish settlements in between the Palestinians, and then another strip of Jewish settlements right across the West Bank, so that in 25 years' time, neither the United Nations nor the United States, nobody, will be able to tear it apart."
(Ariel (Arik) Sharon, 1973)





"People are scared in this country [the US], to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful. Well, so what? For goodness sake, this is God's world! We live in a moral universe. The apartheid government was very powerful, but today it no longer exists. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust. Injustice and oppression will never prevail. Those who are powerful have to remember the litmus test that God gives to the powerful: what is your treatment of the poor, the hungry, the voiceless? And on the basis of that, God passes judgment. We should put out a clarion call to the government of the people of Israel, to the Palestinian people and say: peace is possible, peace based on justice is possible. We will do all we can to assist you to achieve this peace, because it is God's dream, and you will be able to live amicably together as sisters and brothers."
(Desmond Tutu, April 2002)





"[T]here is no single fixed method for murder and not even for genocide. The author Y. L. Peretz wrote about "the righteous cat" who does not spill blood, but only suffocates. The government of Israel, using the military and its instruments of destruction, is not only spilling blood, but it is also suffocating. ... Of course with our self-righteousness, with our self-adoration in our "Jewish ethics" we make sure to advertise how beautifully the doctors take care of Palestinian victims in the hospitals. We do not advertise how many of those are executed in cold blood in their own homes. So it's not yet genocide of the terrible and unique style of which we were past victims. And as one of the smart Generals told me, we do not have crematoria and gas chambers. Is anything less than that consistent with Jewish ethics? Did he ever hear how an entire people said that it did not know what was done in its name?"
(Shulamit Aloni, March 2003)





"The United States has an absolute, uncompromising commitment to Israel's security and an absolute conviction that Israel alone must decide the steps necessary to ensure that security. That is Israel's prerogative. We accept that. We endorse that. Whatever Israel decides cannot, will not, will never, not ever, alter our fundamental commitment to her security."
(Al Gore, 18 May 2000)





"I first visited Israel in 2000. I already then felt that I am returning home despite the fact that this was a place I never visited. I have a deep affinity with Israel. I have always admired the history of the State of Israel and the hardness and determination of the people that founded it. ... I am also the daughter of a Presbyterian minister and was brought up on the very moving stories of the Holy Land. They mean a lot to me. When I first visited Mt. Olives, Lake Kinneret, Jerusalem, I felt a very deep emotional experience."
(Condoleezza Rice, May 2003)





"Let there be no doubt -- the United States of America stands with the State of Israel also because it is in our national interests to stand with the State of Israel."
(Nancy Pelosi, April 1, 2003)





"I have learned that the state of Israel cannot be ruled in our generation without deceit and adventurism."
(Moshe Shertok, 1950s)





"Let us approach them [the Palestinian refugees in the occupied territories] and say that we have no solution, that you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wants to can leave -- and we will see where this process leads. In five years we may have 200,000 less people - and that is a matter of enormous importance."
(Moshe Dayan, September 1967)





"God bless you. God bless our men and women serving on the frontlines today. And God bless our special relationship between the United States of America and the State of Israel."
(Nancy Pelosi, April 1, 2003)





"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves .. politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. ... Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice."
(David Ben-Gurion, 1938)





". it's utterly hypocritical for Israelis to wonder aloud why Palestinians don't pursue a non-violent strategy. One obvious reason is that, whenever they have, Israel brutally represses it."
(Norman G. Finkelstein, 11 September 2003)





"The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates. It includes parts of Syria and Lebanon."
(Yehudah Leib Fischmann, 1947)





"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them."
(Ariel (Arik) Sharon, 17 Bovember 1998)





"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, 'What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'"
(Yitzhak Rabin, July 1948)





"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal Al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
(Moshe Dayan, 4 April 1969)





"Ours will be a brutal land of pens stretching between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean that will make South African apartheid pale."
(Yigal Bronner, 17 September 2003)





"Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home. The nobler course would be to insist on a just treatment of the Jews wherever they are born and bred. The Jews born in France are French in precisely the same sense that Christians born in France are French."
(Mahatma Gandhi, 26 November 1938)





"Sharon certainly does have a plan: to protect Eretz Yisrael, avoid returning any territories and make sure the settlements stay where they are. Everything else is tactics."
(Aluf Benn, 18 September 2003)





"Arabs in Israel ... have no right to serve in the Israel Defense Forces, to marry a Jew in Israel according to state law, or even to study in the language of the majority."
(Amnon Rubinstein, 18 September 2003)





" We live in a thunderously failed reality. ... A state lacking justice cannot survive. ... Even if the Arabs lower their heads and swallow their shame and anger for ever, it won't work. A structure built on human callousness will inevitably collapse in on itself. Note this moment well: Zionism's superstructure is already collapsing like a cheap Jerusalem wedding hall."
(Avraham Burg, 15 September 2003)





"Israel, having ceased to care about the children of the Palestinians, should not be surprised when they come washed in hatred and blow themselves up in the centres of Israeli escapism. They consign themselves to Allah in our places of recreation, because their own lives are torture. They spill their own blood in our restaurants in order to ruin our appetites, because they have children and parents at home who are hungry and humiliated."
(Avraham Burg, 15 September 2003)





"Between the Jordan and the Mediterranean there is no longer a clear Jewish majority. And so, fellow citizens, it is not possible to keep the whole thing without paying a price. We cannot keep a Palestinian majority under an Israeli boot and at the same time think ourselves the only democracy in the Middle East. There cannot be democracy without equal rights for all who live here, Arab as well as Jew. We cannot keep the territories and preserve a Jewish majority in the world's only Jewish state"
(Avraham Burg, 15 September 2003)





"Do you want democracy? No problem. Either abandon the greater land of Israel, to the last settlement and outpost, or give full citizenship and voting rights to everyone, including Arabs. The result, of course, will be that those who did not want a Palestinian state alongside us will have one in our midst, via the ballot box. The prime minister should present the choices forthrightly: Jewish racism or democracy. Settlements, or hope for both peoples."
(Avraham Burg, 15 September 2003)





"The British told us that there are some hundred thousand negroes ['kushim'] and for those there is no value."
(Chaim Weizmann, around 1917)





"We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owners of the immoveable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back."
(Theodore Herzl, 12 June 1895)





"Exploiting the genuine security related worries of the Israeli people and the majority's wish for a political parting from the Palestinians, the Sharon government is constructing a system of fences that will not achieve separation, that will not draw a border, and that will not, eventually, bring security. What we are facing in the "fence" is yet another typical, thoroughly calculated "Sharonic" act of deception. The real purpose of the walls is very different. They are intended as another layer--maybe the ultimate one--in the complex matrix of control which constitutes the Israeli occupation: the settlements, the roads, the roadblocks, the curfews, the closures, and the use of brute military force. The walls that Sharon is building now are intended to render Israel's hold over the land it captured in 1967 irreversible. They are the last nail in the coffin of the two-states solution. We shall wake up, in another year and a half from now, to a drastically different reality: a cruel state consisting of pens enclosures will stretch between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean."
(Yigal Bronner, 23 September 2003)





"Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."
(Moshe Dayan, unknown date)





"Consider Jenin and Warsaw. In both cases, the world, Western democratic countries stood by and watched the slaughter. Horrified but unwilling to act. But today, in Jenin, unlike during the Nazi slaughter of the Jews in Warsaw, no one can say they didn't know."
(James Petras, April 2002)





"[I]n Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country ... The four powers are committed to Zionism and Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long tradition, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desire and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land."
(Arthur James Balfour, 11 August 1919)





"There is no terrible regime - Columbia, Guatemala, Uruguay, Argentina and Chile during the time of the colonels, Burma, Taiwan, Zaire, Liberia, Congo, Sierra Leone - there is not one that does not have a major military connection to Israel. Israeli arms dealers are there [acting as] mercenaries - the guy behind Noriega was Michael Harari, an Israeli, who got out of Panama. Israeli mercenaries in Sierra Leone go around the UN boycotts of what are called blood diamonds, same in Angola. Israel was very involved in South Africa, of course, during the apartheid regime."
(Jeff Halper, 20 September 2003)





"Israel has also become the main subcontractor of American arms. Just last year, Israel signed a contract to train and equip the Chinese army. It signed another multi-billion dollar contract to train and equip the Indian army. What is it equipping them with? It is equipping them with American weapons."
(Jeff Halper, 20 September 2003)





"When AIPAC sells Israel to Congress, it doesn't go to Congressmen and ask them to support Israel because it is Judeo-Christian, or because it is the 'only democracy in the Middle East,' which it also does. It sells it on this basis: 'You are a member of Congress and it is your responsibility to support Israel, because this is how many industries in your state have business links to Israel, this is how many military research people are sitting in universities in your district, this is how many jobs in your district are dependent on the military and the defence industry,' and they translate it down to the extent to which your district is dependent on Israel. Therefore, if you are voting against Israel, you are voting against the goose that lays the golden egg. In most of the districts in the United States, members of Congress have a great dependence on the military. More than half of industrial employment in California is in one way or another connected to defence. Israel is right there, right in the middle of it all. And that is part of its strength."
(Jeff Halper, 20 September 2003)





"Israel is very important, because on the one hand it is a very sophisticated, high-tech, arms developer and dealer. But on the other hand, there are no ethical or moral constraints: there is no Congress, there are no human rights concerns, there are no laws against taking bribes - the Israeli government can do anything it wants to. So you have very sophisticated rogue state - not a Libyan rogue state, but a high tech, military-expert rogue state. Now that is tremendously useful, both for Europe and for the United States. For example, there are American Congressional constraints on selling arms to China because of China's human rights problems. So what Israel does is it tinkers with American arms just enough that they can be considered Israeli arms, and in that way bypasses Congress."
(Jeff Halper, 20 September 2003)





"I don't think we can dismantle the matrix of control. I think it has gone too far, and that the occupation is permanent. We are in a state of apartheid. But not everybody agrees with me - Uri Avnery doesn't agree with me, the people who are in favour of a two-state solution still think that we can end the occupation, or that we can roll it back enough that a Palestinian state will emerge. But the danger in being for a Palestinian state is that if you don't understand the control dimensions, then you are actually agitating for a Bantustan. I mean, Sharon also wants a Palestinian state; he wants a state that is completely controlled by Israel. So if you only look at territory and you don't look at the issue of control, you end up advocating a Bantustan."
(Jeff Halper, 20 September 2003)





"I was recently at a conference with John Dugard, who is now the Special Rapporteur of the UN Commission on Human Rights for the Occupations Palestinian Territories, and is originally from South Africa. He was (jokingly) offended that apartheid was being maligned [by its comparison the Israeli occupation]. In South Africa you didn't have apartheid on the roads, you didn't have walls being constructed."
(Jessica Montell, September 21, 2003)





"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. ... Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen, before Israel goes under."
(Martin van Creveld, 2003)





" We must define our position and lay down basic principles for a settlement. Our demands should be moderate and balanced, and appear to be reasonable. But in fact they must involve such conditions as to ensure that the enemy rejects them. Then we should manoeuvre and allow him to define his own position, and reject a settlement on the basis of a compromise position. We should then publish his demands as embodying unreasonable extremism."
(Yehoshafat Harkabi, 2 November 1973)





"Following 70 years of intensive excavations in the Land of Israel, archaeologists have found out: The patriarchs' acts are legendary, the Israelites did not sojourn in Egypt or make an exodus, they did not conquer the land. Neither is there any mention of the empire of David and Solomon, nor of the source of belief in the God of Israel. These facts have been known for years, but Israel is a stubborn people and nobody wants to hear about it."
(Ze'ev Herzog, 29 October 1999)





"All these events [in the biblical books of Exodus and Joshua] are practically contradicted by archaeology."
(Ze'ev Herzog, 23 December 1999)





"Even orders given by a government elected by a perfectly formal democratic process can be criminal orders. The French in their colonies and the Americans in Vietnam provided classic examples of war crimes perpetrated by democratic governments."
(Ze'ev (Zeev) Sternhell, 17 October 2003)





"In fact, I cannot think of any other country on earth that, in full view of nightly TV audiences, has performed such miracles of detailed sadism against an entire society and gotten away with it."
(Edward Said, September 25, 2003)





"The obvious intention of the Israeli government is to see that the reality of forced poverty and starvation, brought on by the imposition of the wall and the new "closed zones" become so unbearable for communities in the northern West Bank that people choose to leave in the hope of finding a better life. The village of Jubara is just one of many cases being fatally affected in this latest attempt by Israel and its military to cleanse the recently seized "closed zone" of all its Palestinian inhabitants and thus annex the land, and its existing illegal settlers to Israel proper."
(Mustafa (Mustapha) Barghouti, October 27, 2003)





"DiY media analysis: It is relatively easy to locate bias and imbalances in the media. An obvious way into it is to note the language used to describe news actors and assess whether the same words are used for similar actions or behaviours. Look for the language used to describe political stories. Who are the 'terrorists'?; and who the 'activists', 'fighters' or 'guerrillas'? Which governments are described in negative terms as 'extreme' or 'corrupt' and which in more positive terms? Check which side in a conflict are said to 'kill', 'murder' or commit 'massacres' and which are said simply to 'respond', 'strike' or commit actions which result in 'deaths'? Is it always the case that these descriptors are simply factual terms?"
(David Miller, 2003)





"It's been a long time since I've felt so small, uncomfortable and red-faced as during the show of whining and whimpering organized by Israel at The Hague. ... The Palestinians are fighting occupation and we want the world to stand by us as we pay the price for that occupation. Sooner or later, the fence will fall, just like the Berlin Wall. ... Exploiting bereavement and wallowing in self-pity is fitting for soap operas - not for the strongest country in the Middle East."
(Yoel Marcus, 27 February 2004)





"Is it conceivable that somebody on our side has decided that all of Palestinian society is the target? ... [Israel's] war without questions intensifies and broadens the circles of hatred for generations."
(Alex Fishman, October 2003)





"The depressing truth is that Israel's current behavior is not just bad for America, though it surely is. It is not even just bad for Israel itself, as many Israelis silently acknowledge. The depressing truth is that Israel today is bad for the Jews."
(Tony Judt, 23 October 2003)





"While Israeli forces were engaged in what many termed a brutal - some even say criminal - campaign to crush Palestinian militants and terrorist cells in West Bank towns, U.S. military officials were in Israel seeing what they could learn from that urban fight."
(Christian Lowe, 10 June 2002)





"[Y]ou have here in the United States the very powerful role played by the Israel lobby on Amnesty International USA. They are very powerful; they apply enormous pressure on Amnesty International USA, headquartered in New York. Amnesty International USA pretty much kowtows to them, and they use contributions to make sure that Amnesty International USA tows the line on Israel, and Amnesty International USA pays about 20% of the London budget. So that has an impact over in London too."
(Francis Boyle, Summer 2002)





"make their life so bitter that they will transfer themselves willingly"
(Binyamin (Benny) Elon, some date around 2003)





"[Some people believe] a mistaken claim holding that Zionism's main rationale was to create a sanctuary for persecuted Jews"
(David Breakstone, 5 November 2003)





"I am prepared, as an American and a Jew, to make the well being of Israel my primary concern"
(Gary Rosenblatt, 7 November 2003)





"The delusions, the self-righteousness, and the disassociation from a hostile world and the distancing from universal norms are symptoms of a society sinking into apartheid, as the South Africans who experienced that descent can attest. The hiding behind anti-Semitism may make an impression on the Europeans, but it will not be long before the ostracism will penetrate the walls of self-righteousness and bring them crashing down."
(Meron Benvenisti, 6 November 2003)





"The issue of Palestinian refugees resonated with me because I myself was a refugee. ... We came to the U.S. in August 1944 as part of a token group of about 1,000 mostly Jewish refugees ... In 1987, when I read Simha Flapan's The Birth of Israel: Myths and Realities, I was so shocked and disbelieving that it took me a second reading of his book to come to terms with what he wrote at the outset: that the 1948 war was as needless and unnecessary for the "security" of Israel as was the Israeli invasion of Lebanon of 1982. I learned that ... the 1948 war was not defensive, but a war to gain more territory than the U.N. had allotted for the Jewish state and to "cleanse" the area of Palestinian Arabs. I learned that even before the May 15 invasion by Arab armies, Jewish forces had succeeded in expelling some 300,000 Palestinians from their homes, but another 400,000 Palestinians remained in areas that the Jews coveted. Since the Jewish population of Palestine in 1948 was only about 600,000, the Ben-Gurion leadership required war in order to rid the new Jewish state of most of its Arab population."
(Ronald Bleier, November 1992)





"The guideline of our policy has always been the idea that a permanent situation of no peace and a latent war is the best situation for us, and that it must be maintained at all costs. ... we are becoming stronger year by year in a situation of impending conflict where it is possible that actual fighting may break out from time to time. SUch wars will usually be short and the results guaranteed in advance, since the gap between us and the Arabs is increasing. In this way we shall move on from occupation to further occupation. ... this criminally mischievous policy has led us into the crisis we are living through today"
(Yeshayahu Leibowitz, 30 November 1973)





"We have not been seeking peace for twenty-five years -- all declarations to that effect have been no more than coloured statements or deliberate lies. There is of course no assurance that we could have made peace with the Arabs if we had wanted to. However, it has to be heavily emphasized that we have not only made no attempts to seek peace, but have deliberately and with premeditation, sabotaged every possibility of doing so."
(Yeshayahu Leibowitz, 30 November 1973)





"I want the Arabs to see Jewish lights every night 500 meters from them."
(Ariel (Arik) Sharon, 1980)





"We're involved here ... in a struggle for the existence of the State of Israel as the state of the Jews, as opposed to those who want to force us to be a state of all its citizens."
(Limor Livnat, 2002)





"Indeed, the most pernicious aspect of a political philosophy like Zionism that masquerades as democratic is that it requires an enemy in order to survive and, where an enemy does not already exist, it requires that one be created. In order to justify racist repression and dispossession, particularly in a system purporting to be democratic, those being repressed and displaced must be portrayed as murderous and predatory. And in order to keep its own population in line, to prevent a humane people from objecting to their own government's repressive policies, it requires that fear be instilled in the population: fear of "the other," fear of the terrorist, fear of the Jew-hater. The Jews of Israel must always be made to believe that they are the preyed-upon. This justifies having forced these enemies to leave, it justifies discriminating against those who remained, it justifies denying democratic rights to those who later came under Israel's control in the occupied territories."
(Kathleen Christison, 8 November 2003)





"I think that everyone who lives with the contradictions of Zionism condemns himself to protracted madness. It's impossible to live like this. It's impossible to live with such a tremendous wrong. It's impossible to live with such conflicting moral criteria. When I see not only the settlements and the occupation and the suppression, but now also the insane wall that the Israelis are trying to hide behind, I have to conclude that there is something very deep here in our attitude to the indigenous people of this land that drives us out of our minds."
(Haim Hanegbi, 8 August 2003)





"It would be quite astounding if Israel, the US's most loyal ally, which we now know has at least one secret prison, wasn't offering its services to the US. Israel has decades of expertise in torturing and interrogating Arab prisoners -- exactly the skills the Americans now need since the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq."
(Dalia Kerstein, November 2003)





"Trying to eliminate Saddam...would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible.... We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq.... there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
(George H. W. Bush, September 1998)





"Our claim that Israel has fulfilled its side of the 'road map' is seen as lacking credibility because not only have we not evacuated the illegal outposts, we are working in every way to whitewash their existence and build more."
(Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Autumn 2003)





"We don't have unlimited time ... More and more Palestinians are uninterested in a negotiated, two-state solution, because they want to change the essence of the conflict from an Algerian paradigm to a South African one. From a struggle against 'occupation,' in their parlance, to a struggle for one-man-one-vote. That is, of course, a much cleaner struggle, a much more popular struggle - and ultimately a much more powerful one. For us, it would mean the end of the Jewish state."
(Ehud Olmert, November 2003)





"We don't have unlimited time ... More and more Palestinians are uninterested in a negotiated, two-state solution ... we may have to espouse unilateral separation. We won't need the Palestinians' support for that. What we would need is to pull ourselves together, to determine where the line should run. ... [The fence would] ultimately become part of [the unilateral plan]"
(Ehud Olmert, November 2003)





"The fear of the loss of the majority has already yielded plans for campaigns against the danger, such as the projects for increasing the Jewish birth rate, granting voting rights to expatriates or even to Jews wherever they may be."
(Meron Benvenisti, 20 November 2003)





"Israel and the Palestinians are sinking together into the mud of the "one state." The question is no longer whether it will be binational, but which model to choose."
(Meron Benvenisti, 20 November 2003)





"It's a unitary state controlled by one dominant national group, which leaves the other national group disenfranchised and subject to laws "for natives only," which for the purposes of respectability and international law are known as laws of "belligerent occupation." ... That's the situation nowadays."
(Meron Benvenisti, 20 November 2003)





"We should say we accept a two-state solution, but that it means going back to the 1967 borders, and a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state. We should give them six months. If there is no decision, we should say Israel, by its own choice, doesn't want a two-state solution. If Israel wants a one-state solution we accept; but 20 years from now, we're going to ask for one person, one vote."
(Ali Jirbawi, November 2003)





"If you look at the drive for a two-state solution in the past, it was always to prevent conflict. What is becoming more prevalent is that people are saying we have to do it because if we don't we're going to end up with a bi-national state. ... If you look at all the surveys of public opinion, the one issue that unites the Jewish population of Israel is that more than 90 per cent say they want to retain a Jewish majority. The problem of the right wing is that they want a Greater Israel including the occupied territories, without any withdrawal. The irony is by doing that they invite a bi-national state."
(David Newman, November 2003)





"In progress in the occupied territories is a war of repression entirely subservient to the ideology of the settlement drive. The Palestinian population is being subjected to starvation, denial of medical treatment, demolition of homes and economic strangulation. I will take no part in these war crimes, nor will I serve as a fig leaf for them."
(Idan Landau, July 2001)





"Benny Morris used to be a "Young Turk", but now he's become an old jerk with a vengenace."
(Avi Shlaim, 8 November 2003)





"The trees grow back and ultimately we hope to harvest them in the place of the unwanted inhabitants of the area."
(Yossi Peli, 14 November 2003)





"The life of the Palestinians has indeed become hell. Most of them live below the poverty line, many on the threshold of hunger, some in an actual state of hunger. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinian children suffer from malnutrition. Every village has become a prison camp, completely surrounded by roadblocks. Traffic is well-nigh impossible. Many Palestinians cannot reach their place of work, hospital, university or school or bring their produce to market. Israeli troops prowl in the towns and villages, demolishing homes, arresting or killing activists and, at the same time, women and children, too. The distant sound of an airplane engine is enough for the whole population to hold their breath."
(Uri Avnery, 14 November 2003)





"Palestine will be as Jewish as England is English."
(Chaim Weizmann, 1921)





"It was decided and carried out: they washed her, cut her hair, raped her and killed her."
(David Ben-Gurion, 1949)





"What answer do we have to the question: Why should Natasha from Kiev, whose ancestors had no connection to the Jewish people, be preferred to Ahmad, whose family tilled the land around Safed for centuries?"
(Jonathan (Jonathon) Rosenblum, 1999)





"The mass non-Jewish immigration undermines the very legitimacy of Israel. The spate of bills introduced by Arab Knesset members to amend the definition of Israel as a Jewish state and to recognize an Arab right of return derive their credibility from the non-Jewish immigration."
(Jonathan (Jonathon) Rosenblum, 1999)





"[M]ass immigration of non-Jews has the potential to trigger a social conflagration the likes of which we have never seen. Israelis of Middle Eastern descent, who had just begin to recover from the devastation of their own absorption in the country, feel they are being shunted aside in favor of those who are not even Jewish. The resentment aroused by this sense of being shoved back into the underclass has little to do with religion.
The pork shops and churches of the non-Jewish immigrants are merely the most potent symbols of the contempt in which the Middle Eastern population feels it is held. Even crucifix-wearing, pork-eating Russians are considered preferable to them."
(Jonathan (Jonathon) Rosenblum, 1999)






"The credibility issue is extremely important. On numerous occasions the IDF has put out lying accounts of incidents, and in the end the Palestinian version turned out to be true. This tradition of lying is very dangerous for the resilience of the society, especially if the lies are wrapped in a security cloak."
(Gideon Levy, 23 November 2003)





"Ben-Gurion gave the official version. He denied any IDF involvement [in the Qibya massacre] ... This was not Ben-Gurions first lie for what he saw as the good of his country, nor was it to be the last, but it was one of the most blatant."
(Avi Shlaim, 2000)





"it is permissible to lie for the sake of the Land of Israel"
(Yitzhak Yizernitzky, unknown date)





"Without lies, it would be impossible to talk about peace with the Palestinians for 36 years while at the same time seizing more and more Palestinian land. Without lies, it would be impossible to claim that there is no partner for the road map, while at the same time injecting more and more money into outposts that the road map calls for dismantling. Without lies, it would be impossible to promise "painful concessions" in exchange for peace, while at the same time terming people who concluded such an agreement "traitors.""
(Akiva Eldar, 24 November 2003)





"[I]n Israel, lying has become the norm among the working levels of the army, the legal establishment and the diplomatic corps. Lying has become a way of life for commanders and soldiers, lawyers and clerks, most of whom are far from having right-wing views and many of whom loathe the occupation."
(Akiva Eldar, 24 November 2003)





"While the politicians lie in order to perpetuate the occupation, the workers learn to lie in order to justify it. Israel Defense Forces soldiers have become used to seeing settlers prepare a road to yet another outpost in the morning, and then hearing on the radio in the evening that the defense minister and the prime minister "vehemently deny" the existence of any new outposts. So what do they do? They say (perhaps even to themselves) that this is a "security road.""
(Akiva Eldar, 24 November 2003)





"Members of the Shin Bet security service know that not every Palestinian who was executed without trial was truly a "ticking bomb." They have become used to "cutting corners" and to living with the lie. Analysts understand that it is impossible to defeat a people fighting for its land and that there is no basis for the claim that there is no Palestinian partner for a fair division of the land. But they have learned that it does not pay to tell the leaders the truth."
(Akiva Eldar, 24 November 2003)





"The soldiers who harden their hearts at roadblocks, the pilots who loose bombs in the middle of cities, the attorneys who whitewash and the spokesmen who lie are not people who lack moral values. Most are merely victims of the situation created by the occupation."
(Akiva Eldar, 24 November 2003)





"Today there is no separation [between an anti-Semitism that should be condemned and a legitimate criticism toward Israel's policies]. We are talking about collective anti-Semitism."
(Ariel (Arik) Sharon, 24 November 2003)





"Our sufferings have granted us immunity papers, as it were . . . After what all those dirty goyim have done to us, none of them is entitled to preach morality to us. We, on the other hand, have carte blanche, because we were victims and have suffered so much. Once a victim, always a victim, and victimhood entitles its owners to a moral exemption."
(Amos Oz (born Klausner), 1982)





"The failure to differentiate between civilians and terrorists turns all the Palestinians into potential suicide bombers."
(Yosef Paritzky, 2003)





"The world is rightly horrified at the cruel and bloody deaths of Israeli civilians, including babies and small children, inflicted by terrorist suicide bombers. Grievous though every one of these deaths most certainly is, it cannot be denied that during the three years of the Second Intifada the Israelis have killed three times as many Palestinians, some of them terrorists (in illegal targeted assassinations) but most of them innocent civilians, including babies and pregnant women."
(Gerald Kaufman, 22 November 2003)





"The prime minister has a plan. First he has to complete the eastern security fence. Then he will declare an enclave consisting of 52 percent of the West Bank "a temporary Palestinian state." The working premise of this plan is that 300,000 or more Palestinians will find themselves imprisoned between the fence and the Green Line, cut off from the mainstream of West Bank life, and will migrate slowly to the enclave."
(Akiva Eldar, 25 November 2003)





"Better Sharm-el-Sheikh without peace than peace without Sharm-el-Sheikh."
(Moshe Dayan, 1967)





"The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important."
(Chaim Weizmann, 1942)





"One Cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland."
(Yitzhak (Izaak) Greenbaum, 18 February 1943)





""The Sharon government sometimes apologizes after it kills an innocent civilian, but it does not apologize for raping the cities and for going in and carrying out terrorist actions, going house to house much like the Nazis did in World War II, tearing holes through the walls, roughing up people, killing people, assassinating people. This is a terrorist government funded, by the way, by the United States government to the tune of $3 billion a year in U.S. military aid. These are American helicopters and tanks and F-16s doing this damage to the Palestinian people.""
(Adam Shapiro, March 29, 2002)





"The Zionist movement was a partner to this crime [of abandoning European Jews to the Holocaust]. Its policy was to settle Palestine with Jews and those Jews they could not use were as good as dead."
(Yossi Schwartz, June 2003)





"If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Israel, then I opt for the second alternative."
(David Ben-Gurion, 1938)





"It may interest you to know that some weeks ago the representatives of all the leading Jewish organizations met in conference. ... It was decided that no Jewish organization would, at this time, sponsor a bill which would in any way alter the immigration laws."
(Stephen S. Wise, 1938)





"The hopes of Europe's six million Jews are centered on emigration. I was asked: 'Can you bring six million Jews to Palestine?' I replied, 'No.'... From the depths of the tragedy I want to save... young people [for Palestine]. The old ones will pass. They will bear their fate or they will not. They are dust, economic and moral dust in a cruel world... Two millions, and perhaps less; "Scheerith Hapleta" - only a branch will survive. They had to accept it. The rest they must leave to the future - to their youth. If they feel and suffer, they will find the way, "Beacharith Hajamin" [at the end of times]."
(Stephen S. Wise, 1938)





"When they come to us with two plans - the rescue of the masses of Jews in Europe or the redemption of the land - I vote, without a second thought, for the redemption of the land. The more said about the slaughter of our people, the greater the minimization of our efforts to strengthen and promote the Hebraisation of the land. If there would be a possibility today of buying packages of food with the money of the Karen Hayesod [United Jewish Appeal] to send it through Lisbon, would we do such a thing? No. And once again no!"
(Yitzhak (Izaak) Greenbaum, 1943)





"In principle I support Zionism, but there are difficulties with solving the Jewish question. Our experiment in Birobidzan failed, because the Jews prefer to live in cities."
(Stalin, 11 February 1945)





"How did we get to the point where Israeli soldiers are preventing women in labor from reaching a hospital? ... this is also the other side of terrorism - Israeli terrorism. A roadblock that doesn't let pregnant women in labor pass is a lethal roadblock. It attacks innocent civilians, just as in a suicide bombing attack."
(Gideon Levy, 23 January 2002)





"The whole system is systematically biased ... Twenty years ago I sat one of these tests at Tel Aviv university. I was asked who Einstein was. I said he was the biggest scientist in the world. But they said no, we gave a different first name. We are speaking of a singer from Tel Aviv."
(Hassan Jabareen, 1 December 2003)





"Fear of being slandered as 'anti-Semites' means we are abetting terrible deeds in the Middle East."
(Robert Fisk, 17 April 2001)





"On October 29, 1956, soldiers of the Israeli Border Police murdered 43 civilians, including women and children, and wounded many others because they were outside their homes after curfew was imposed on the Israeli Arab village of Kafr Qassem at the beginning of the Sinai War. The perpetrators knew that they were killing villagers who were returning from work in the fields without knowing anything about the existence of a curfew."
(Aviv Lavie, 31 October 2003)





"Without an internationally recognized provocation, an Israeli invasion of Lebanon would have a devastating effect on the United States."
(Alexander Haig, 1982)





"But there are Arabs in Palestine. I did not know."
(Max Nordau, 1897)





"By establishing the State of Israel in the traditionally Arab land of Palestine and by forcibly displacing its original inhabitants, the Zionists did not provide their adherents with a peaceful refuge, but placed them astride a volcano."
(Henry Cattan, 1976)





"The land without people -- for the people without land."
(Israel Zangwill, 1901)





"My step on the road to reality was not taken until 1904, when I appear to have become fully aware of the Arab peril."
(Israel Zangwill, 1904)





"Today...we are located in the Palestinian areas, we are violating international agreements, and no one is saying anything. So we talk Palestinian state, Palestinian state, but in the meantime not even Area A exists any longer. And there is no Orient House, no Palestinian representation in Jerusalem, and Palestinians are afraid to walk around with weapons in their own cities. Obviously we all want peace, who doesn't want peace. But [my father's] statement about a Palestinian state is a very remote statement."
(Omri Sharon, 12 December 2002)





"[The Jewish immigrants from Arab countries are] human dust lacking language, education, roots, tradition or national dreams."
(David Ben-Gurion, unknown date)





"Mizrahim now comprise about 45 percent of Israel's population. ... Their culture was disparaged by the country's historic leaders. Israel's first Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, referred to them as "human dust." Golda Meir said they were not "real Jews" because they don't speak Yiddish."
(Joel Beinin, 19 June 2000)





"If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: We have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but 2,000 years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: We have come here and stolen their country."
(David Ben-Gurion, unknown date)





"The United Nations is under no more of a legal obligation to maintain Zionism in Israel than it is to maintain apartheid in South Africa."
(William Thomas Mallison, 1986)





"Question: Is anti-Semitism on the increase?
Chomsky: In the West, fortunately, it scarcely exists now, though it did in the past. There is, of course, what the Anti-Defamation League calls "the real anti-Semitism", more dangerous than the old-fashioned kind: criticism of policies of the state of Israel and US support for them, opposition to a vast US military budget, etc. In contrast, anti-Arab racism is rampant. The manifestations are shocking, in elite intellectual circles as well, but arouse little concern because they are considered legitimate: the most extreme form of racism."
(Noam Chomsky, December 4, 2003)





"The penalty for succumbing to the settlers' single-minded pursuit of Greater Israel is the dissolution of the Jewish state. ... Many Israelis, and other Jews, will argue that historic justice demands a Jewish state. They will insist that, particularly after centuries of horrendous Jewish suffering culminating in the Holocaust, there should be one place on Earth where the Jews can exercise their natural right to sovereignty. They are absolutely right, but, unfortunately, given the choice between sovereignty and land, we chose land. We have manifestly preferred settlement in the whole Land of Israel to a state of Israel in part of the land. It is irrelevant that the settlers are a small minority. The rest of us have permitted them to do what they wanted."
(Daniel Gavron, December 2003)





"Concerning the name, we gave this law the name Basic Law: Israel-Lands. There were a number of proposals about the name. MK Harari proposed to name it "The People's Lands". On the face of it, I do not see any great difference between the two names. I admit that neither name hits the target. What is it that we want? What we want is difficult to define. We want to make it clear that the land of Israel belongs to the people of Israel. The "people of Israel" is a concept that is broader than that of the "people resident in Zion", because the people of Israel live throughout the world. On the other hand, every law that is passed is for the benefit of all the residents of the state, and all the residents of the state include also people who do not belong to the people of Israel, the worldwide people of Israel."
(Zerah (Zerach or Zorah) Warhaftig, 19 July 1960)





"Ben-Gurion said that anyone who approaches the Zionist problem from a moral aspect, he is not a Zionist."
(Moshe Dayan, September 1967)





"I do not deny the Palestinians any place or stand or opinion on every matter. But certainly I am not prepared to consider them as partners in any respect in a land that has been consecrated in the hands of our nation for thousands of years. For the Jews of this land there cannot be any partner."
(Chaim (Haim) Herzog, 1972)





"My job was to take..... [each Palestinian's] thumb and immerse its edge in ink and fingerprint them on the departure statement....Every day tens of buses arrived. There were days on which it seemed to me that thousands were departing ......there were also not a few people who were simply expelled....We forced them to sign. I will tell you how exactly this was conducted: [for instance] a bus [carrying men] was arriving and only men were getting off,...--only men, aged 20 to 70, accompanied by borderguard soldiers. We were told that these were saboteurs, fedayeen, and it would be better that they would be outside the state.......[The Palestinian men] did not want to leave, and were dragged from the buses while being kicked and hit by revolver butts. By the time they arrived to my [signing] stall, they were usually already completely blurred [as a result of beatings] at this stage and did not care much about the signing. It seemed to them part of the process. In many cases the violence used against them was producing desirable results from our point of view. The distance between the border point and the [Allenby] Bridge was about 100 metres and out of fear they were crossing to the other side running; the borderguard men and the paratroopers were all the time in the vicinity. When someone refused to give me his hand [for finger printing] they came and beat him badly. Then I was forcibly taking his thumb, immersing it in ink and finger printing him. This way the refuseniks were removed....I have no doubt that tens of thousands of men were removed against their will."
(Former Israeli soldier inverviewed by Kol Ha'ir in 1991, November 1991)





"I remember that 5 days after the..... War I was in Jericho. It was empty there and we were told that the [refugees of 'Ayn Sultan, Nu'aymah and 'Aqbat Jabir camps outside Jericho] fled. It is more likely that ... [the Israeli army] drove them away. In [1948] ... [Israeli commanders] volunteered to carry out [transfer] on their own initiative. In the Six Day War there were similar situations. Many thought that we had not completed the job in [1948] ... It is known that there was a plan to conquer Qalqilyah and destroy it. There was also a plan to carry out transfer in Hebron as a revenge for the massacre [of Jews] in [19]29."
(Uri Milstein, unknown date)





"Is this the way to occupy Hebron? A couple of artillery bombardments on Hebron and not a single 'Hebronite' would have remained there. Is this the way to occupy [East] Jerusalem [without driving most of the Arabs out]."
(Yigal Allon, November 1967)





"Our plans for large-scale immigration offered Germany an additional advantage in that they would fulfil one of her avowed aims, namely, to rid Europe of the Jews."
(Nathan (Natan) Friedman-Yellin, 1978)





"[The] formula for the parameters of a unilateral solution are: To maximize the number of Jews; to minimize the number of Palestinians; not to withdraw to the 1967 border and not to divide Jerusalem."
(Ehud Olmert, November 2003)





"the impression is that all of Israel is turning into one big settlement in the territories."
(Lily Galili, 18 December 2003)





"If Rabbi Kaplan really wanted to know what happened, we old Jewish settlers in Palestine who witnessed the fight could tell him how and in what manner we, Jews, forced the Arabs to leave cities and villages ... some of them were driven out by force of arms; others were made to leave by deceit, lying and false promises. It is enough to cite the cities of Jaffa, Lydda, Ramleh, Beersheba, Acre from among numberless others."
(Nathan Chofshi, 9 February 1959)





"We came and turned the native Arabs into tragic refugees. And still we dare to slander and malign them, to besmirch their name. Instead of being deeply ashamed of what we did and trying to undo some of the evil we committed ... we justify our terrible acts and even attempt to glorify them."
(Nathan Chofshi, 9 February 1959)





"I dislike the coercive methods of Zionists who in this country have not hesitated to use economic means to silence persons who have different views. I object to the attempts at character assassination of those who do not agree with them."
(Arthur Hays Sulzberger, 1946)





"I cannot rid myself of the feeling that the unfortunate Jews of Europe's DP camps are helpless hostages for whom statehood has been made the only ransom."
(Arthur Hays Sulzberger, 1946)





"It is often said that the Arabs fled, that they left the country voluntarily, and that they therefore bear the responsibility for losing their property and their land. It is true that in history there are some instances - in Rome and in France during the Revolutions when enemies of the state were proscribed and their property confiscated. But in general international law, the principle holds true that no citizen loses his property or his rights of citizenship; and the citizenship right is de facto a right to which the Arabs in Israel have much more legitimacy than the Jews. Just because the Arabs fled? Since when is that punishable by confiscation of property and by being barred from returning to the land on which a people's forefathers have lived for generations? Thus, the claim of the Jews to the land of Israel cannot be a realistic political claim. If all nations would suddenly claim territories in which their forefathers had lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse. ... there is only one solution for Israel, namely, the unilateral acknowledgement of the obligation of the state toward the Arabs - not to use it as a bargaining point, but to acknowledge the complete moral obligation of the Israeli state to its former inhabitants of Palestine."
(Erich Fromm, 19 May 1958)





"Do all you can to immediately and quickly purge the conquered territories of all hostile elements ... The residents should be helped to leave [these] areas."
(Moshe Carmel, 31 October 1948)





"As it turns out, even in a hospital - a place where human compassion is supposed to be the sole operating norm - a Palestinian is still not on the same footing as other human beings. This process of dehumanizing the Palestinians has spread to every sector of Israeli society. What started in the Israel Defense Forces and Shin Bet security service, and spread to other branches of power and to the media (which has, for years, deliberately emphasized the violent side of Palestinian reality) has now permeated every part of Israel's social fabric. That's apparently the only way a state can continue with a conquest

Sunday January 27, 2008, 8:20 am
"In fact, I cannot think of any other country on earth that, in full view of nightly TV audiences, has performed such miracles of detailed sadism against an entire society and gotten away with it."
(Edward Said, September 25, 2003)

Sunday January 27, 2008, 8:46 am
http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/zionism/zionists_and_torture_in_iraq.htm

http://zionismexplained.org/media/media.html:::::

( BILLY) GRAHAM: "The Jewish stranglehold on the media has got to be broken or this country's going down the drain."

(Richard) NIXON: "You believe that?"

GRAHAM: "Yes, sir."

NIXON: "Oh boy. So do I. I can't ever say that but I do believe it."

- Religious leader Billy Graham and President Richard Nixon Exchange captured on tape.




Part of the Zionists' control of this country's policies toward Israel comes through their extensive influence on the American and world media. The main reason for this is the strong presence of Jewish owners in the media and their presence in the editorial rooms as writers and editors that gives Zionists such influence. In addition, when one word in a media outlet is said publically against Israel, the Zionists are quick to organize a boycott of that newspaper, radio station, TV station or movie corporation calling them anti-Semitic (i.e. the movie, "The Passion of Christ") and unfairly trying to conjur up all the images that they've kept in the public mind with that term - what one writer calls the use of the "holocaust syndrome."




Here is a sample of the bias Palestinians face in our media:
On February 25, 2005, the Los Angeles Times website edition headline read: "Palestinian Suicide Bomber Shatters Calm of Late." The article goes on to state that this bomber "shattered a month-long period of relative calm."
The author is referring to the ceasefire between Israel and Palestine agreed to on February 8, 2005 and the "relative" calm before and after it was agreed to.
There are two issues here: 1) who has been breaking the "calm," and 2) whose "calm" are we talking about?"
Issue #1: Who has been breaking the "calm"?
- Since the ceasefire on February 8th until February 25th - the bombing, Israeli military and illegal settlers have killed eight Palestinians, two of them children.
- Since the previous Palestinian suicide bomber on November 1, 2004 in which Israelis lost three lives, Israeli military and illegal settlers have killed 170 Palestinian men, women, and children; injured and maimed 379 Palestinian men, women, and children; have held 8,000 Palestinians – 300 of them children - in prison where they are routinely abused; confiscated hundreds of acres of Palestinian land; expanded the illegal Apartheid wall; expanded the illegal settlements; demolished hundreds of Palestinian homes and orchards; continued the ruination of the Palestinian economy with checkpoints and curfews until 70% of the Palestinian people are unemployed and living in abject poverty, etc., etc.
Issue #2: Whose "calm" are we talking about?
Surely, after reading the above, not the Palestinians!
The article might better be titled "Palestinians Retaliate for Israel's Terrorist Actions" You will never see a headline like that in the mainstream American media, no matter how much it is deserved. I guarantee it!
Issue #3: Who did the suicide bomber attack?
This subject was not even touched in the article by the L.A. Times. The Palestinian bomber attacked an Israeli combat unit that had taken part in numerous brutal invasions in civilian Palestinian neighborhoods. They had killed and mutilated numerous Palestinian men, women, and children. In the Palestinian attack no Israeli civilians were hurt.
When all this was brought up to an editor on the Los Angeles Times foreign desk by Alison Weir, a noted journalist and author of the excellent website "If Americans Knew", the Los Angeles Times editor just hung up on her.
Another Example - Jeffrey Blankfort Tells This Story
"Back in 1982, I was able to place an Israeli soldier, a reservist, who refused to serve in Lebanon on the biggest radio talk show in San Francisco. He told the truth about the Lebanon war, that the Palestinians were not shelling Lebanon, and in the second hour of the program which was broadcasted to a national audience, someone, with a strong accent, called and asked 'who is responsible for putting this communist on the air?' The talk show host said that he was…. Very soon afterward, that talk show host who was the most popular radio programmer in San Francisco, was replaced by a Zionist who is there to this day (2006) and who is such a Zionist that every year, when they have an Israeli Day celebration in San Francisco, he is the master of ceremonies. On the airwaves, on the major networks, you will find either among the owners or the more important decision making positions, people who are clearly Zionists."



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II. Zionist Owners and CEOs of Media Conglomerates and Media Companies
Freeze Frame the U.S. Media - mid 2002
CEOs and Directors of companies change as often as Boards of Directors vote. But if we could "freeze frame" the CEOs of the largest U.S. Media companies in mid 2002 (the link below "Who Rules America?" updates this information to Nov. 2004), we would find that ten Jewish American men ran the vast majority of U.S. television networks and other media companies including movies, radio, and publishing at that time. Not much has changed today.


CEO Media Company Ranking TV Networks, Movie Companies & Publishers
Gerald Levin AOL Time Warner Largest media conglomerate in the U.S. HBO, TNT, TBS, CNN, TCM, Warner Brothers, Time Inc.
Michael Eisner Walt Disney Company 2nd largest media conglomerate ABC, ESPN, A&E, Lifetime, Miramax Films, Caravan Pictyures, Touchstone Pictures
Summer Redstone Viacom Inc. 3rd largest media conglomerate CBS, Paramount, MTV, Nickelodeon, Showtime, Country Music Television, Nashville Network Cable, Infinity Broadcasting (radio), Pocket Books, Free Press, Schribner, Simon & Schuster
Edgar Bronfman, Sr

Edgar Bronfman, Jr. Vivendi Universal 4th largest media conglomerate Universal Studios, USA Networks, Houghton Mifflin Publishers
Robert Murdoch Murdoch's News Corporation 5th largest media conglomerate Fox Television Network, 20th Century Fox Films, Fox 2000, New York Post, TV Guide
Robert Perelman New World Entertainment Premier independent TV program producer in the US
David Geffen, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg DreamWorks SKG


All these and other media conglomerates have directors of their subsidiaries Warner Bros., Barry Meyer, Chair and CEO; CNN/US, Walter Isaacson; Walt Disney Studies, Joseph Roth; Caravan Pictures, Robert Birnbaum; Miramax Films, Robert & Harvey Weinstein; ESPN, Steven Bornstein; CBS, Melvin Karmazin; New World Entertainment, Ronald Perelman; Peter Chernin is the president and CEO of Fox Group; Peter Roth under Chernin is president of Fox Entertainment. New York Times and the Boston Globe, Arthur Sulzberger, publisher; Wall Street Journal, Kann; US World and News Report, The Atlantic, and the NY Daily News, Mortimer Zuckerman owns all three and is Editor-in-Chief of his US News and World Report.

Today we should add Brian Roberts the CEO of Comcast, the largest TV cable network in America; Howard Stringer, the CEO of Sony of America; Ivan Seidenburg the CEO of Verizon, the largest American wireless phone company; Cheryl Halpern, Chairperson of the Corporation of Public Broadcasting. All Jewish. And the latter an especially rabid Zionist.



Newsflashes – August 2006 The newspapers are reporting that the Los Angeles Times is up for sale. They have received three separate letters of intent to buy. All three of the prospective buyers are Jewish billionaires. I bet Israel will get great coverage is any of them buy! And the beat goes on. It Happens! Another Zionist Major Owner - April 2007 Chicago billionaire Sam Zell just bought the Tribune Company, the nation's third-largest newspaper chain and one of its largest conglomerations of television stations. This includes the Chicago Tribune, The Los Angeles Times, Newsday, and other newspapers plus 23 TV stations. Zell is a major contributor to AIPAC and strong supporter of Israel. He funds the Zell Entrepreneurship Program in Israel an advanced college program for Israelis that culminates in a 6-12 month internship at corporations affiliated with Zell and other corporations in the United States.

September 16, 2006 Khalid Amayreh a longtime reporter for al-jazeera.net/English writes on his blogspot (umkahlil.blogspot.com) that pro-Israel editors are seeking to influence Al-jazeera International English Satellite TV and turn it into a more western TV station that is “fairer” to Israel. It seems we are about to loose the only truly Arab voice in the international media to Zionists.



The following article breaks down in detail, the extensive Jewish presence in the media. Even though it was written by the National Alliance, a neo-nazi, white supremacist group in this country, the article is exceptional in its research on Jewish presence in the American media and so I am including it on this website. Please ignore all the white supremist nonsense in the beginning and skip down and start at the section titled "Electronic News and Entertainment Media". The article was written at the end of 2004 and therefore the names are current only for that year.

"Who Rules America? The Alien Grip on our News and Entertainment Media Must be Broken," by the research staff of Vanguard Books


Saban: Zionist Billionaire at Work in the media
Haim Saban an Egyptian born Israeli, Zionist Jew, a strong supporter of Israel who lives in the United States and who made his billions in the media business (FOX) continues his reach into the media. In the September 5, 2004 issue of the N.Y. Times, Saban is quoted at saying, "I'm a one-issue guy and my issue is Israel."

- In 2003 he bought a German media conglomerate of T.V. networks and a German film library, Kirch Media.

- In 2006, Saban bought Univision Communications, the largest Spanish broadcasting television company in the US for USD 12.3 billion. Univision Communications owns Univision and TeleFutura television stations which together constitutes an 80 percent chunk of the fastest growing television market in the United States. It also owns the largest Spanish-language radio network in the US with 69 radio stations.

To quote Grant F. Smith's article Israel Lobby Initiates Hispanic Strategy "Univision producers now looking up through the chain of command toward the new owners will undoubtedly begin tapping Spanish speaking 'scholars' from Brookings (Zionist propaganda 'think tank' – see Lobbying section), as well as the package of Israeli diplomats and Middle East analysts pushed by AIPAC's new Hispanic division (see AIPAC in Lobbying section)."
- Saban also owns partial control of the Bezeq Corporation in Israel and 24% of Channel 2, Keshet, in Israel.

We can be sure our Spanish speaking American audience will receive a steady pro-Israel message.




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III. Journalists: Zionist, Conservative, and Dumb
Along with Zionist CEOs and owners of media conglomerates and media companies just discussed, there are the journalists in newspapers, magazines, on-line, on the radio, and on television who amplify the pro-Israeli bias throughout the U.S. media.

These journalists are divided into three categories: Zionists - true believers in the biblical right to a Zionist nation on the Palestinian land, conservatives who believe in the righteousness of western civilization and America's and Israel's leading place in it, and lastly journalists who are just dumb or speaking in a more civilized manner, uninformed about Zionism who mouth pro-Israeli statements like "every country has the right to self-defense" without having any idea of what is really going on in the Middle East. Below is a partial list of these characters - mainly the Zionists - with a few examples of the others.

Zionist Journalists


Wolf Blitzer - currently a CNN Reporter; previous employee of AIPAC; former journalist for the Jerusalem Post
Max Boot - editor of Wall Street Journal; contributing editor to Weekly Standard (neo-con); on Council on Foreign Affairs
Alan Dershowitz - lawyer; commentator; recently disgraced himself with his incredibly inaccurate book, A Case for Israel
David Frum - contributing editor to "National Review Online" and "Weekly Standard"; co-authored, An End to Evil with Richard Perle
Frank Gaffney, Jr. - columnist for the Washington Times and a contributor to Defense News and Investor's Business Daily. He is a contributing editor to National Review Online, WorldNetDaily.com, and JewishWorldReview.com. He is also President of the Center for Security Policy, a Zionist/neocon "think tank."
Jeffrey Goldberg - staff writer for New Yorker, freelance for other papers, citizen of Israel..was once a prison guard there
Jonah Goldberg - National Review Online, Editor-at-large

David Horowitz - editor-in-chief of the Zionist "Front Page Magazine"; President of Center for Study of Popular Culture
Jeff Jacoby - columnist for the Boston Globe and Jewish World Review

Donald Kagan - Professor of ancient history; father of Frederick & Robert Kagan; co-authored book with W. Kristol & R. Kagan; neo-con
Frederick W. Kagan - associate professior of military history at U.S. Military Academy
Robert Kagan - author; world affairs columnist for Washington Post; contributing editor for New Republic; neo-con
Marvin Kalb - founding director of Joan Shorenstein Center at Harvard - a supposed expert on the Middle East; previously diplomatic correspondent for NBC and CBS news; of Russian-Jewish origin
Ted Koppel - ABC Nightline reporter

Irving Kristol - born 1920; one of the founders of the neo-conservative movement; father of William Kristol (cited below). Among other things Irving founded The National Interest in 1985 a prominent bi-monthly international affairs journal mainly directed by Zionist Jews. It is now funded by Conrad Black, who owns the Jerusalem Post and the Hollinger empire in Britain and Canada.
William Kristol - editor of the Weekly Standard, the main neo-conservative rag owned by Rupert Murdoch
Judith Miller - New York Times "journalist"
Robert Murdoch - owner of the first global, media network -hundreds of TV channels including Fox News, newspapers, publishing houses, etc.
Marty Peretz - owner/editor-in-chief of The New Republic
Norman Podoretz - founder with W. Kristol of neo-conservatism; long-time editor of the Jewish conservative, Commentary

Frank Rich - writer for the NY Times, mainly theater critic
William Safire - political columnist for the New York Times
Mortimer Zuckerman - owner & editor-in-chief of "U.S. News & World Report"; owner of the "Atlantic" and "NY Daily News"



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Conservative Uninformed
Charles Krauthammer - writes a nationally syndicated editorial page for the Washington Post Writers Group that appears in over 100 papers
George Will - columnist in 450 newspapers, and bi-weekly column in Newsweek
Lou Dobbs - CNN anchor
Ken Hamlin - newspaper columnist, radio noisemaker
Rush Limbaugh - radio noisemaker
Bill O'Reilly - Fox News noisemaker, sort of a lost soul
Most local broadcasters & newspersons like these individuals have a pro-Israel bias because of the reasons explained throughout this section.






Maybe, to be more accurate, there needs to be a fourth category titled Buffoon which is defined as one who yells alot without thinking or a journalist who is more worried about making money and attracting a following than the accuracy of anything he says. We could put O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Murdoch, etc. in that group.

Some Neocon, rabidly Zionist, Periodicals: Commentary, National Review, The Weekly Standard, The New Republic, The National Interest



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IV. Zionist Media Organizations

Zionists have found many ways to influence the media. Ownership, editors, columnists, film producers, reporters mentioned above are just some. Below are some additional methods they use.

The organization CAMERA - Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America - founded in 1982, has as its purpose to read the articles in the American press and if there is anything critical of Israel to call the reporter, write letters to the editor, and even encourage boycotts.
The Palestinian Media Watch takes a different approach. It scours the Palestinian media to find out what Palestinians are saying about Israel, and lays out how the Palestinians negative interpretations of Israeli society are "wrong."
The Middle East Media Research Institute, founded by the wife of David Wurmser, a Zionist in the upper echelons of the U.S. State Department, does very biased, skewed, pro-right wing English translations of the statements of leading Arabs. It then hopes that the English media, which are notorious for lacking Arab speakers, presents these translations in their media outlets as accurate.


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V. Zionists Continue Their Attack on America's Freedom of Speech
When it comes to Israel and many Jewish related topics, America has limited freedom of speech thanks to Zionist pressure. Some cases on point:
A party in honor of Bad Faith, a book Carmen Callil wrote about Louis Darquier, the Vichy official who arranged the deportation of thousands of Jews, was to have taken place at the French embassy in New York on October 10, 2006 but was cancelled after the embassy was pressured by "fundamentalist Jews" to have the party shut down. Their complaint was a paragraph in the postscript of the book that noted what the Jews of Israel were doing to Palestinians. The author commented that its seems "everyone forgets."
Tony Judt, a British-born academic based at New York University has had two speaking engagements called off after criticism of his views. Mr. Judt, an American Jew, was due to speak on the subject of the influence of the pro-Israeli lobby on US foreign policy and at a separate location under the title War and Genocide in European Memory Today during September of 2006. The first instance was at a location owned by the Polish consulate. The Polish consul, Krzysztof Kasprzyk, said after two inquiries by Jewish organizations and "delicate pressure" from them he cancelled the speech. In the second instance, Judt pulled out from a talk on the Holocaust at Manhattan College after a Jewish leader, Rabbi Avi Weiss, warned he would hold a protest of Holocaust survivors outside that event.
In March of 2006 the Royal Court Theatre production of "My Name is Rachel Corrie" was to open in New York City after two sold-out runs in London and several awards. The play is about Rachel Corrie, a 23 year old American girl who was killed rein 2003 in Palestine by Israelis as she was trying to stop a bulldozer from demolishing Palestinian homes. The production was cancelled because of protests by New York Zionist Jews – New York is Zionist City (ask Hilary Clinton who regularly bows to their wishes). Eventually the play opened at another theater despite the protests.
The above are just three recent examples. This website is full of other – intimidations of teachers, journalists, politicians, etc. that "keeps them quiet" and restricts America's knowledge, analytical thinking, and freedom of speech.




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VI. Mossad and the Media - Israel's Disinformation Network

The Mossad, the Zionist spy network similar to our CIA, has a global network of media contacts which their Department of Psychological Warfare uses. Mossad's motto is " By way of deception, thou shalt do War." The Department of Psychological Warfare's task is to feed their media contacts "background" - read disinformation and lies, that will help discredit and destroy the Palestinians and Arab nations that support them, and elicit sympathy for Israel's elimination of Palestinians. A second task of that department is to prepare information for the press attaches at Israeli embassies. Their purpose there is the same. Below are two examples of Mossad's many attempts at media disinformation in the United States.

In 1996, TWA flight 800 crashed off Long Island. 230 people died. Mossad contacted their world-wide media contacts stating that the crash was a terrorist act perpetrated by Iraq and Iran. This was another Israeli lie. The FBI spent a half million dollars and ten thousand man hours following all these Zionist lies. It determined that Iran and Iraq had nothing to do with this plane crash, the disinformation was a Mossad plant, and that the crash of TWA 800 was not a terrorist act. James Kallstron, the FBI agent in charge of the investigation said: "If there was way to nail those bastards in Tel Aviv, for time wasting, I sure would like to see it happen. We had to check every item they slipped into the media." Of course, by the time the FBI report came out, many Americans and others had mentally registered the disinformation as truth and damage was done to our relations with Iraq and Iran.

The bomb attack at the Atlanta Olympic Games provided another opportunity for a Zionist plot in this country and throughout the world. Again, Mossad's media contacts world-wide were given information that the way the bomb was made had the signature of Palestinian terrorists from Lebanon's Bekka Valley. Another lie. The bomb was the work of a lone American, a security guard, with no international or terrorist connections.

These are examples of what we American taxpayers are paying for when we give Israel billions of dollars a year.

(Source: Gideon's Spies by Gordan Thomas, p.69.)


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VII. Studies of Pro-Israel Media Bias in Newspapers


The results of Jewish ownership of so much American and world media, their presence on editorial boards, and their proclivity to scream and yell anytime the media reports anything which they perceive as negative about Israel or positive about Palestine is the basis of a study done by If Americans Knew, a nonprofit organization whose goal is to educate Americans about the billions of dollars of our tax money that goes to support Israel and its policy of ethnic cleansing. Below is a link to their study of the San Francisco Chronicle and the San Jose Mercury. The study demonstrates the outlandish, pro Israel bent of both papers. Both papers are more a grocery store tabloid than a respectable journalistic endeavor. The sad thing is that any similar study of any major American newspaper would produce the same results. (A clear summary by the author of this research is in the September 2003 edition of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. The title of the article is "Reversing Reality: Newspaper Coverage of Israel and Palestine" by Sarah Weir. The article is available on the Internet but without the charts.)

Media Pro Israeli Bias



A Boston Globe Reporter Tells of Zionist Influence on the Media
I FIRST REALIZED the enormous pressures on American journalists in the Middle East when I went some years ago to say goodbye to a colleague from the Boston Globe. I expressed my sorrow that he was leaving a region where he had obviously enjoyed reporting. I could save my sorrows for someone else, he said. One of the joys of leaving was that he would no longer have to alter the truth to suit his paper's more vociferous readers (Read "Zionist Jews" - website author).

"I used to call the Israeli Likud Party 'right wing,' " he said. "But recently, my editors have been telling me not to use the phrase. A lot of our readers objected." And so now, I asked? "We just don't call it 'right wing' anymore."

Ouch. I knew at once that these "readers" were viewed at his newspaper as Israel's friends, but I also knew that the Likud under Benjamin Netanyahu was as right wing as it had ever been.

This is only the tip of the semantic iceberg that has crashed into American journalism in the Middle East. Illegal Jewish settlements for Jews and Jews only on Arab land are clearly "colonies," and we used to call them that. I cannot trace the moment when we started using the word "settlements." But I can remember the moment around two years ago when the word "settlements" was replaced by "Jewish neighborhoods" or even, in some cases, "outposts."

Similarly, "occupied" Palestinian land was softened in many American media reports into "disputed" Palestinian land just after then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, in 2001, instructed U.S. embassies in the Middle East to refer to the West Bank as "disputed" rather than "occupied" territory.

Then there is the "wall," the massive concrete obstruction whose purpose, according to the Israeli authorities, is to prevent Palestinian suicide bombers from killing innocent Israelis. In this, it seems to have had some success. But it does not follow the line of Israel's 1967 border and cuts deeply into Arab land. And all too often these days, journalists call it a "fence" rather than a "wall." Or a "security barrier," which is what Israel prefers them to say. For some of its length, we are told, it is not a wall at all so we cannot call it a "wall," even though the vast snake of concrete and steel that runs east of Jerusalem is higher than the old Berlin Wall.

The semantic effect of this journalistic obfuscation is clear. If Palestinian land is not occupied but merely part of a legal dispute that might be resolved in law courts or discussions over tea, then a Palestinian child who throws a stone at an Israeli soldier in this territory is clearly acting insanely.

If a Jewish colony built illegally on Arab land is simply a nice friendly "neighborhood," then any Palestinian who attacks it must be carrying out a mindless terrorist act.

And surely there is no reason to protest a "fence" or a "security barrier" words that conjure up the fence around a garden or the gate arm at the entrance to a private housing complex.

For Palestinians to object violently to any of these phenomena thus marks them as a generically vicious people. By our use of language, we condemn them.

We follow these unwritten rules elsewhere in the region. American journalists frequently used the words of U.S. officials in the early days of the Iraqi insurgency referring to those who attacked American troops as "rebels" or "terrorists" or "remnants" of the former regime. The language of the second U.S. pro-consul in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer III, was taken up obediently and grotesquely by American journalists.

Back in the old days, we used to believe did we not that journalists should "tell it how it is." Read the great journalism of World War II and you'll see what I mean. The Ed Murrows and Richard Dimblebys, the Howard K. Smiths and Alan Moorheads didn't mince their words or change their descriptions or run mealy-mouthed from the truth because listeners or readers didn't want to know or preferred a different version.

So let's call a colony a colony, let's call occupation what it is, let's call a wall a wall. And maybe express the reality of war by showing that it represents not, primarily, victory or defeat, but the total failure of the human spirit.

This is taken from an opinion piece titled "Telling It Like It Isn't" by Robert Fisk. It appeared in the Los Angeles Times. Below is the link. Robert Fisk is Middle East correspondent for the London Independent and the author, most recently, of "The Great War for Civilisation: The Conquest of the Middle East," published last month by Knopf. My readers should note that although this is about American journalism, the same applies to Zionist influence in other countries especially Europe, Australia and Canada whose people complain of the same thing.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-fisk27dec27,0,6099761.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions





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Sunday January 27, 2008, 1:16 pm
The so-called 'palestinians' are liars!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/01/26/reuters-fauxtography-alert-spreading-hamas-propaganda-fake-power

And for more from Pallywood go to www.seconddraft.org

And the MSM just eats it up! As Stalin once said: "Useful idiots" which I would use to describe some of the people here. Am Yisrael Chai!!!

Sunday January 27, 2008, 1:33 pm
Yeah Chaya...one look at your newly created zionist profile reveals your hatred of Palestine and your zeal for injustice!

Sunday January 27, 2008, 2:14 pm
Do you know where the name 'Palestine' is from?

Sunday January 27, 2008, 2:16 pm
Oh, yes, another thing: Did you even look at the sites I posted? Or are you worried that your dear 'palestinians' would be exposed as liars??

Sunday January 27, 2008, 9:50 pm
Noted

Sunday January 27, 2008, 10:50 pm
Chaya, you wrote:

"It has been revealed that el-Durha was not killed by Israeli forces!! ILt is part of the palestinian propaganda machine!! And there was never a turn off of electricity in Gaza! Israel continued to provide 75% of Gaza's needs even while being under fire!! Hamas turned off their own power plant as a PR stunt! They closed the windows, invited the press in and sat there in candlelight. Even the palestinian journalists realized it was a stunt! Sderot - and surrounding areas - have been bombarded with thousands of Qassam rockets. It is truly a miracle that there haven't been many casualties! But the children of Sderot are experiencing post traumatic stress disorder!! What do you think a country should do that is being rocketed on a daily basis??? Take this petition off!! It is totally one-sided - the side of those who are anti-Semitic!!"

Why believe information from pro-Israel/anti-Palestine sources that makes the people of Palestine look bad? Such information is not very credible. The capitalist/corporate media of many countries is also pro-Israel/anti-Palestine. Therefore the information from them that makes the people of Palestine look bad is not credible either.

However, the non-corporate media (e.g. the socialist media, such as Le Monde Diplomatique, the WSWS, Green Left Weekly, and so on - and the writings of certain journalists, such as John Pilger and Noam Chomsky) puts humans above profits and above nationalist and imperialist agendas, and cares about all humans, not only one side. Therefore, their information is more credible.

SBS (Australia's multicultural government media corporation), and other news services, generally are biased in favour of Israel, making the Palestinian freedom fighters seem illegitimate, and often neglecting to mention the suffering that the people of Palestine go through. Therefore, when they do mention atrocities by Israel, it is quite credible.

We who want equality, human rights and lasting peace in the Middle East are not "anti-semitic". We who call for an end to the siege and impoverishment of the people of Gaza by the powerful Israeli military are not "anti-semitic". We are pro-human rights, pro-equality. We do not want Jewish people to suffer. We do not want ANYONE to suffer. We do not want human rights abuses against Jewish people. We are simply calling for an end to the human rights abuses that Israel is perpetrating against the people of Palestine.

Tus we are not "anti-semitic" in any way. Indeed, we are PRO-semitic. The people of Palestine, the Arab people, and the people of Lebanon, are all semitic people, no less than the Jewish people are.

And what we are calling for is actually the wisest, most benefical thing that the Jewish people of Israel can do: the people of Israel will be safer, more secure, if they end human rights abuses against people - true security and lasting peace can only come when Israel stops oppressing people, because oppressing people induces them to become hateful and hit back. A great start would be for Israel to do these things:

End the collective punishment siege of Gaza!!!

Allow UN aid convoys to go into Gaza!!!

All Israeli military get out of Palestine and stay out!!!

Allow the millions of Palestinian refugees to return to their homeland, to their homes, businesses and farmlands in Palestine and what is now "Israel"!!!

Sunday January 27, 2008, 11:08 pm
I don't think that there is any justification for Palestinian people to attack Israeli civilians (nor for Israeli people to attack Palestinian civilians). However, those actions that I suggest would very much reduce any Palestinian motivation to attack Israeli civilians (by firing rockets, or by any other method) or to support such attacks.

Sunday January 27, 2008, 11:16 pm
Ending oppression (by doing the kind of actions that I have suggested above) is an essential prerequisite to ensure an end to terrorist rocket attacks by that minority in Palestine who have been doing them. Ending oppression is an essential prerequisite to ensure lasting peace.

Monday January 28, 2008, 5:19 am
A Muslim Imam speaks about Israel, Islam and dhimmitude:

http://www.amislam.com/pagan.htm

Monday January 28, 2008, 5:27 am
Noam Chomsky??? LOL LOL LOL LOL He happens to be one of the most vile self-hating Jews in the world!! The 'progressive' media??? Give me a break! They are so far to the left, they've become fascists!! There was little difference between Hitler and the Socialist parties at the time. The Socialist parties admired Mussolini. Have you read about the fact that Israel has been bringing Gazan children into Israel for much-needed hospital care?? 'Collective punishment?' What the hell did the people of Sderot do to the people of Gaza?? As soon as we left - and even before - the rockets started coming down on the residents of Sderot who are mainly working-class people, the kind you 'progressives' supposedly stand up for! Hamas, on the other hand, got millions of dollars for the development of Gaza! I have the list of all the money they got and the countries they got it from. And what did they do with it??? They used it to buy weapons!! And they destroyed the hothouses that had been left after the once-flourishing communities of Gush Katif had been destroyed!! You really have your priorities phucked up!!! You have no ide that you are on the wrong side!!! G-d in Heaven!! Please!! Wake up!!

Monday January 28, 2008, 5:42 am
Why don't you rant and rave against this?? This is where your 'baby Barak's' family is from!

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/5F155BB1-2316-41E2-9E8C-A690D710DFCD.htm

Monday January 28, 2008, 6:22 am
Here is something from the Washington Post. Or is this newspaper controlled by the Joooooooz??

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/23/AR2008012303327.html

Monday January 28, 2008, 6:28 am
And this is what is going on in Iran!! The people of Iran want to be free of the mullahs!!

Ebrahim Latif Allahi (Persian: ابراهیم لطف اللهی) was killed under torture. He studied law in Paiam Noor University in Sanandaj and was arrested about two weeks ago by the Intelligence. Reportedly, his family has been informed that “he has committed suicide in the prison” but that “his body is already buried”. His family is under pressure to not spread the news [Persian].

This is the leaflet for announcing a service for him, published by his family. It reads “This is to announce the death of Ebrahim Latif Allahi caused by ….”. The cause of death is apparently a taboo.



Reportedly, no information about his whereabouts and the reason for his arrest was given to his family. Tense situation has been reported in the city of Sanandaj and in his university after the news of his “suicide” came out.

Sanandaj is populated by Kurds, a minority group discriminated against by the central government. Separatist groups are very active in the region.
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Why don't you protest the oppression of women and homosexuals in Iran??? Homosexuals are hanged!! Women not dressed in burqas are beaten!!

Monday January 28, 2008, 9:35 am
No Chaya...I think you are just a perverted sick f**k who doesn't merit a response from anyone.

Monday January 28, 2008, 12:20 pm
For those of you who are interested in truth:

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/

Lies are easy to disseminate. The truth is much more complicated than that!

Monday January 28, 2008, 1:17 pm
How much flour can a person consume in a day?

http://sandbox.blog-city.com/gaza_buried_in_flour.htm

Monday January 28, 2008, 11:16 pm


Below is a statement in support of Israel from Ayman Hassan who still lives in the Middle East.

Shalom. As an Arab Muslim I once asked myself: Why do I hate Israel? I really thought about this question. After little deliberation the answer was clear, because I am a Muslim and Islam is extremely intolerant. It's the intolerance to everything non Muslim, that is the problem and I say this as a Muslim, but today I have rejected the teachings of Islam for this very reason. I have left Islam. As an Arab "Palestinian", living in Lebanon, coming from a Muslim family, I was brought up with the hatred of Jews, Christians, and all non Muslims. Now I'm 24, I have matured enough to view the world through a different perspective; I reviewed real history and studied the sequence of events before and after the restoration of the State of Israel. I decided to step outside the mindset of a typical Muslim. It didn't take long to realize that I was on the wrong track and I moved quickly to the other side. In order to be at peace with myself I have come to reject the hatred of Israel and nowlove my former enemy. I have not embraced another religion but I am pursuing a new spiritual path. Why do the Arabs and Muslims have to reject the presence of a Jewish state in a tiny percentage of the land of the Middle East? Why Islamic intolerance forbids other nations their right to exist in their own land. The whole world should realize that Islam is at war with all nations on the planet. In our Muslim societies it is not “the extremists” but the whole society infected with this hatred. It is in the mosques, the schools, the media and in the homes of nearly every Muslim family. It isn't just Israel but the hatred of America and Christians, Islam hates all other religions. In the case of Israel, its only fault is that it's a Jewish state who wants to live in peace within its borders. It's not a struggle of so called “Palestinians” to establish a country and retain some land, which was never theirs, I know because I studied the real history. The real problem is racism and the intolerance of Muslims, the blind hatred and jealousy to see a flourishing, strong and modern countrywhere people from other faiths can live peacefully. Why are the Jews forbidden to have a country? These people have contributed much to the world's culture and offered the best scientists, artists, doctors and have been victims of intolerance throughout history? Why are they forbidden to live in their national Zionist dream and return to their homeland, which was some desert which they cultivated and transformed in to one of the most beautiful landscapes on earth? Why do the Arabs and the Muslim world have to take everything, and claim every land they step on to be theirs. "Palestine" never existed, and should never, and that is coming from me an Arab who is classified as a “Palestinian.” The creation of a Palestinian state would be the biggest threat to the existence of Israel and would not bring one day of peace to Israel; I know how my people think! It should never be allowed. In fact supporting a Palestinian State is the equivilent of supporting Nazi Germany and the persecutionof Jews. Israel has already made the mistake twice of giving land for peace, once in Southern Lebanon, and secondly in Gaza. We all know the terrible results: the expansion of Hizballah's power in Lebanon and the creation of a terrorist state in Gaza. Hamas and other terrorist organizations now have the space to launch more terrorist attacks and hostile activities on Israeli cities and villages. Israel's right to exist shouldn't be open for discussion. Hamas, Hizballah or Islamic Jihad, and the people behind them, must be destroyed. Nothing should hinder Israel's army to do whatever it takes to protect their people and ensure the safety of Israel, from TelAviv, to the smallest settlement inside Israel which should include Judea and Samaria (the West Bank). I don’t blame the Israeli army for any defense measure it takes. It has been fighting Islamic terrorism long before any other nation faced their atrocities. The Israeli soldiers have been on the front line on behalf of the whole free world. I am proud to support the Israeli defense forces, the most civilized and humane army in the world, no matter how the media might try to portray them. One can't but respect the brave Israeli army which puts its soldiers’ lives at risk in order to protect civilian life in Gaza or Southern Lebanon, the same civilians whom in both places have voted terrorist organizations to power. The same “innocent civilians” which deny Israel's right to exist, who never are held accountable for the democratic choices they have made. Yet still, the Israeli army, and in the most critical war times, try as much as possible to avoid harming their lives, even at the expense of losing lives on their side as well as tactical and strategic disadvantages because of theirmoral behavior. I salute the Israeli army; I can't but support these heroes, and bow in respect to the memory of their fallen ones. I can't but stand with Israel in its fight for its existence amid this crazy part of the world. I used to hate Israel with a passion but today I am proud to say that I have shed my hatred for Israel and it has transformed to a deep love, passion, and respect for Zionism and all the values it stands for. I am proud that today I support the full restoration of Jerusalem. For the first time in my life I'm at peace with myself and in great harmony of what I believe in; standing with Israel and the Jewish people, who are the most forgiving and tolerant people on earth. They must be praised for their deep dedication to their cause, and for their patience in their endurance of harm and hatred. Jerusalem should never be divided and soon the Temple Mount should also be liberated. All other religious groups in the world have free access to their most sacred sites yet the Jews still watch their holiest place, Solomon's temple, under occupation. I can't but feel compassionate with their dream, and I know that their fight is now my fight. Israel’s existence and survival is really a test and responsibility for the whole civilized world. It's the battle against Islam’s imperial quest to conquer the whole world. Israel is the fortress and stronghold for freedom and tolerance in the Middle East. I have held my tongue for too long but today a great burden has been lifted from my heart. I don't care if I've been considered a traitor by my people for loving Israel. It's an honor for me; if supporting Israel's right to exist is a sin then I'm a sinner. I'm proud to be an Arab who stands with a country that should be emulated by all its neighbors. Long live Israel! For the sake of its people and for the sake of the world's stability and freedom, I’m proud to say I love Israel. I know that even if I don't have Jewish blood in my veins, I know I am Israeli at heart. Wriiten by Ayman Hassan a Palestinian Arab. Ayman wrote to us inspired about the work of Walid Shoebat and the work of the Walid Shoebat Foundation. He wishes to continue with his advocacy and we hope to use him in the media in the future.

Tuesday January 29, 2008, 12:30 am
(1) Noam Chomsky's writing shows a care for all of the common people of the world, of every race, colour and creed. There is no evidence that he "hates himself". He simply points out hypocrisy and human rights abuses committed by people of all kinds - he does not leave out those abuses committed by people who are Jewish or Israeli citizens or U.S. citizens. I.e. he refuses to be a chauvinist or bigot - he itreats all sides of conflicts equally. In fact, that is his main theme: to apply the standards of the oppressors to themselves, to highlight their hypocrisy.

(2) Just because people say that they are "leftwing" or "socialist" does not mean that they are. Socialism means: "society owning and controlling the means of production, distribution and exchange" (which means democratic control - because control by a "dictator", "party" or other subsection of society is not "society controlling those things"). [That definition is from a mainstream dictionary/thesaurus called the "Reader's Digest Wordfinder".]

Hitler called his party "National Socialists", but it was a hierarchical party dictatorship, not a democracy where society as a whole made the decisions. Thus we see an example of a false, misleading use of the word "socialism".

Another example is the "socialism" of the U.S.S.R., Eastern Europe and China. None of those countries fit the definition of socialism that I have given above. They were all, as George Orwell described them "oligarchical collectivist". All capital was collectivised, but it was controlled by an oligarchy - not by society.

Thus we can see that real socialism is not even close to fascism. In fact, capitalism is closer to fascism than (real) socialism is. In capitalism, it is an oligarchy of the rich and megarich bourgeoisie (owners of capital) who own and control the mainstream information sources (the corporate media), and corporations in general, and who have the dominant influence over governments (because of political party donations, because of their control of the mainstream information sources, and because of their ability to influence economies through downsizing and the movement of investment and factories). Compared with capitalism, (real) socialism is much more democratic.

The real socialist parties did not admire Mussolini. Mussolini led fascist gangs to maim and kill socialists, communists, anarchists, labour unionists and other leftwingers. When he came to power, he used the power of the Italian state to maim, kill and imprison leftwingers.

I don't know what were the policies towards Mussolini of the U.S.S.R.-aligned "communist" and "socialist" parties. I do know that the true socialists denounced Mussolini and fought against fascism. E.g. the Communist League did not admire Mussolini. The libertarian socialists (anarchists) such as George Orwell were against fascists. Trotsky wrote a famous pamphlet against fascism - have you read it? It's called "Fascism - What It Is and How To Fight It".

In the Spanish Civil war (before WW2), Mussolini and Hitler sent their fascist militaries to help Franco's fascists fight against the socialists, communists and anarchists in Spain, and against the Spanish people in general. Those socialists included the famous Marxist party P.O.U.M., which clearly had an anti-fascist policy.

In Germany, before Hitler came to power, the nazis (Hitler's fascists) went about in gangs to brutalise, kill and break up labour unions, and socialist, communist and anarchist organisations. Then after they came to power, the nazis used the armed forces of the German state to do the same thing, and also to imprison those leftwingers who they didn't kill, in concentration camps. When the nazi military invaded the U.S.S.R., they murdered every so-called "socialist" bolshevik party member they came across - it was official policy.

(3) Chaya, where is the evidence for the claims you have made about Palestine and Israel? Is the only "evidence" from corporate and pro-Israel/anti-Palestine organisations and websites? Such "evidence" is of course not credible.

(4) You wrote: "Why don't you protest the oppression of women and homosexuals in Iran??? Homosexuals are hanged!! Women not dressed in burqas are beaten!!"

First of all, let's get some facts straight. I have seen many women in Iran without burqas. This is shown and discussed on the ABC and SBS (both are Australian government TV channels). The Australian government is very critical of Iran - so if the ABC and SBS don't say this burqa thing, and instead say something less severe, then the ABC and SBS claims are more credble. It is not Iranian government policy to beat women who don't dress in burqas. Iran's policy is for women not to show hair - i.e. to wear scarves to cover hair.

I don't know about Iran's policy to homosexuals.

Now, if you want to protest against those things, then you are free to do so. As for me, I will take action thatt I feel like doing, especially that which will accomplish my political goals.

As for Iran, Australia and the U.S.A. have little influence on it (except when they threaten Iran, or Israel threatens Iran with sanctions or war, etc. - which INCREASES THE POWER OF THE FUNDAMENTALIST REGIME - so if you do care abouthuman rights abuses in Iran, then I recommend that you don't support any threats against Iran).

However, Australia and the U.S.A. do have influence over allies Israel and Saudi Arabia (Saudi Arabia enforces stricter fundamentalist laws than Iran does, by the way). The U.S.A. gives $4 billion military aid to Israel each year. The U.S.A. is a major customer of Saudi Arabia's oil trade, and gives arms and also sells arms to Saudi Arabia. Australia can influence U.S. policies because Australia is a major ally of the U.S.A., a valued ally of the U.S.A.. For all of these reasons, I focus on standing up for human rights in these countries, where Care2 discussions can have a greater influence.

Also, a reason that I focus on helping the people of Palestine to get their human rights, is because the people of Palestine ask me to. And a very important pragmatic reason that I focus on Palestine is the fact that Israel's oppression of the people of Palestine is one of the major causes of conflict in the Middle East, and is one of the major motivations for "Muslim" fundamentalist terrorism. If we end oppression and make peace between the people of Israel and Palestine, then we will reduce global terrorism alot.

U.S. bases in the Muslim holyland, and the imperialist occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq are the 3 other major issues that are motivations for "Muslim" fundamentalist terrorism. I want to increase the peace and feel safer in Australia and wherever I go, so I adopt these causes, to end this imperialist oppression, for pragmatic reasons - peace for me and for everyone - including you, Chaya. : )

Tuesday January 29, 2008, 12:53 am
P.S. real socialists did not particularly agree with Stalin's policies. As for Stalin's non-aggression pact with nazi Germany, I will say this:

Hitler had advocated the German invasion of the U.S.S.R. before he came to power, in his book "Mein Kampf", to get "lebenstraum" ("living space") for "the German people". Stalin and the U.S.S.R.'s elite knew this of course, and everyone with political sense knew that the aggressive nazi regime in Germany was heading for war. When nazi Germany was about to invade Poland, the U.S.S.R. was not ready to stop a German invasion. This was particularly the case since Stalin had used his powers to purge the U.S.S.R.'s military, which severely reduced their numbers of competent commanders (I have heard that the nazis fed false information to the U.S.S.R.'s elite, to encourage this purge - but I have not explored the evidence for that, so I shan't confirm it).

Anyway, as you may be aware, the nazi regime in Germany was violently opposed to leftwingers (socialists, communists, anarchists, labour unionists and others) - having killed, maimed and imprisoned huge numbers of them in concentraion camps. In these circumstances, the only real cooperation that ever took place between the U.S.S.R. and fascism - the 1930s "non-aggression pact" was not because the 2 regimes were friendly. The U.S.S.R.'s elite merely agreed to it for pragmatic reasons: to ensure the U.S.S.R. was not invaded by nazi Germany (allowing time to build up the armed forces of the U.S.S.R. for future dangers, such as the eventual nazi invasion), and to get a piece of Poland under the control of the U.S.S.R..

Tuesday January 29, 2008, 4:17 am
Thanks for the linformation. I was only trying to say that an extreme Left ideology can be just as fascistic as a right-wing one, as evidenced by the U.S.S.R., e.g., dissenters being sent to the Gulag and Stalin's murdering dissenters. Today's so-called 'progressives' really scare me. They close their eyes to what some Muslims are doing in Europe. I just read an article about how gay people are scared to walk the streets of Amsterdam because of gangs of young Muslims who attack them. For the life of me, I cannot understand how the extreme Left has made 'common cause' with these radical Muslims! The information the Left is getting comes from these Jew-hating; Israel-hating; gay-hating and - yes - women-hating Muslims. The incidence of rape of young girls/women has gone up tremendously in Europe - and it is being perpetrated by young, radicalized Muslims. Where are the Western women - who fought for women's rights? I do not understand this! I, for one, will fight as best as I can the demonization of the country I chose to live in - Israel!

Tuesday January 29, 2008, 4:32 am
And a very important pragmatic reason that I focus on Palestine is the fact that Israel's oppression of the people of Palestine is one of the major causes of conflict in the Middle East, and is one of the major motivations for "Muslim" fundamentalist terrorism. If we end oppression and make peace between the people of Israel and Palestine, then we will reduce global terrorism alot.
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Oh, my goodness, Simon. I'm sorry; but you are so very wrong. Did you read what Ayman Hassan said? Believe me (I know that's easy to say - 'Believe me') - we are not 'oppressing' the palestinians!! When we left Gaza the people of Israel wanted nothing more than for the people there to live good lives!! Did you know that while we were in Gaza the relations between the Gazans and Jews living there was extremely good? Gazans worked in the hothouses; Jews used to go shopping in Gaza City and go to dentists there! It was not a 'colonial' relationship at all!! But there were those who didn't want this to be! They didn't/don't want an Israel in their midst! And when 9/11 occurred, Palestine wasn't even a concern for bin-Laden. This blalming the Israeli conflict for world terrorism is just a red herring! Even if we were - G-d forbid!!! - to be destroyed, it would NOT end this terrorism! It - actually - would give fuel to it!! Please be like Ayman Hassan - a Muslim Arab who used to hate Israel - and take a closer look! Actually, you can reach him by writing to walid@shoebat.com He is a former terrorist who gave it up.

Tuesday January 29, 2008, 4:38 am
I just got this. This has always been their intention!




Palestinian State a Ruse?

The Palestinian goal of a Palestinian state is just a temporary ruse until "all of Palestine" can be "liberated," declared a leader speaking yesterday on the official television network of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah organization.
Saleh Raafat, a member of the executive committee of Abbas' Palestine Liberation Organization, was interviewed on PA television about the death last weekend of infamous terrorist leader George Habash, who strongly opposed signing peace agreements with Israel.

In comments screened by WorldNetDaily, Raafat told his interviewer: "Habash was a very positive Palestinian leader who used democratic tools to express opinions. He disagreed with [late PLO leader Yasser] Arafat regarding the present temporary vision of a Palestinian state, but he never used weapons to express his disagreement."

Raafat stated that the Palestinians would accept "22 % of Palestine" as a "temporary and not permanent" state until "all of Palestine" can be liberated.


Contrary to Raafat's attempt to portray the late PFLP leader as a visionary rather than a terrorist, the fact is that Habash's Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine carried out scores of notorious deadly terrorist attacks. Raafat was speaking as part of a mourning series on PA television for Habash, the PFLP leader who died in Jordan at the age of 81.

Habash's PFLP gained notoriety in 1970 for hijacking four Western airliners over the U.S., Europe, the Far East and the Persian Gulf. The aircraft were blown up in the Middle East after passengers and crews disembarked. The PFLP in 1972 then gunned down 27 people at Israel's Lod airport.

The PFLP continues operating from Syria, Jordan and the West Bank. More recent attacks include scores of deadly shootings against Israelis, the 2001 assassination of Israeli tourism minister Rechavam Zeevi and suicide bombings on an Israeli highway and in Tel Aviv's well-known Karmel Market.

According to Israeli security officials, the PFLP is the Palestinian terror group most proficient in carrying out successful drive-by shooting attacks.

This is from www.lekarev.org

Tuesday January 29, 2008, 4:54 am
Please, please - view this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK5OlnfK-RY

Wednesday January 30, 2008, 4:08 am


Jerusalem Arabs Moving to Jewish Neighborhoods



At Cafe Malcha Jerusalem's French Hill neighborhood, Hebrew and Arabic newspapers sit on the counter and both languages are spoken amid the noise of espresso machines and customers' laughter.

The cafe is a popular meeting place for Jewish and Arab businessmen, many of whom live in French Hill, a quiet neighborhood of stone apartment buildings and pine trees around Hebrew University's Mount Scopus campus.

"They live here and there are no probelms whatsoever," Moshe Feldman, a retired Israeli army colonol and long-term French Hill resident said of the Arabs in his neighborhood.

The number of Arab families moving into traditionally Jewish neighborhoods like French Hill is rising. Why? They prefer to be on the Israeli side of the West Bank security fence than on the Palestinian side. It's as simple as that.
Those who cannot find housing in Arab East Jerusalem, where demand has soared and prices have therefore skyrocketed, are moving in increasing numbers to Jewish neighborhoods in the Israeli capital.

Quietly, some of them will bravely tell you that they also prefer to live under Israeli rule than under the Palestinian Authority

Wednesday January 30, 2008, 3:38 pm
Osama Bin Laden and other so-called "Muslim" fundamentalist terrorists, as well as many Islamist radicals and militants have all said that those 2 pre-9/11 issues (the Israel-Palestine-Arab conflict and U.S. bases in the Muslim Holyland) are very important to them, and are what they fight to resolve. This is common knowledge amongst terrorism and Middle East experts, and has often been broadcast on current affairs shows that deal with these issues (on the TV networks in Australia, I mean - all of which are much more biased in favour of Israel than Palestine).

I don't just believe something because it is written - e.g. that writing that you said comes from a Muslim.

I do believe that there is alot of fear and hatred between the people of Israel and Palestine. But what concenrs me is the facts of human rights abuses:

Since 1948, 10x as many Palestinians and Arabs have been killed than Israelis: over 70,000 Palestinians and Arabs, compared with over 7,000 Israelis.

The people in Palestine have the worst land, separated into little pieces... while the people of Israel took the best land, and use up most of the water that is for both Israel and Palestine.

The people of Palestine have a country and economy devastated by Israeli violence - lots of ruined buildings, electricty systems, water systems, sewerage systems, etc.. The result is that there is about 50% Palestinian unemployment (with many of those who do have work having to work in demeaning menial jobs in Israel), and the people of Palestine are much poorer on average than the people of Israel.

Israel's military occupies most of Palestine - the West Bank, humiliating the Indigenous people, forcing them to wait for long periods (e.g. hours) at many Israeli military checkpoints, simply to get between different parts of their land, to go to work, to hospital, etc.. And Israel has imprisoned large numbers of Palestinian people.

Israel's military maintains a siege that refuses to allow U.N. relief convoys to get into Gaza.

Israel's military vastly outguns the armed groups of the people of Palestine. Israel has the 5th most powerful military in the world. It has an airforce that is more powerful than that of any European NATO country, including that of the U.K.. It received $4 billion military aid each year from the U.S.A.. Israel even has NUCLEAR WEAPONS. (And persecutes Mr Vanunu for telling information about this to the world.)

Israel refuses to allow millions of Palestinian refugees to return to their homeland, their homes, their businesses, their farmlands.

Israel supported apartheid in South Africa. Israel is one of only 3 countries that has consistently voted with the U.S.A. in recent years when the rest of the world condemned the bullying and harmful U.S. embargo against Cuba (that punishes any U.S. business or business that has dealings with the U.S.A., if they do business with Cuba).

As for something else you wrote, I will respond: we in the leftwing don't approve of abuses against women. I have met lots of Muslims. I have not seen sexual abuse. And most of the misogynist talk I have heard has been from non-Muslims. All I can go on is 2nd-hand information.

What you have said about Muslims sounds like anti-Muslim propaganda from the capitalist media. Capitalism is inherently racist, so that the bourgeoisie can divide, weaken and rule over the working class, and to create subgroups of the working class that can be super-exploited by the bourgeoisie, and also to create the thinking that is required to get people to engage in imperialist wars of conquest, like the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and the expansion of Israel. Therefore, I don't believe the capitalist media when it says its usual propaganda. I get my information about such things from the non-capitalist media.

Peace.

Wednesday January 30, 2008, 3:43 pm
Oh, oops, when I said "all I can go on is 2nd-hand information", I meant about rapes - because I have not seen rapes myself.

Wednesday January 30, 2008, 3:50 pm
I agree about liberating all of Palestine. A 2-state solution seems wiser at first.

But everntually, I would like to see one state - not Jewish, not Muslim, but secular. A country where all of the Palestinian refugees are allowed to return to. Where everyone is treated equally, with no military occupations, humiliations, military checkpoints, wars, poverty, etc.. You can learn to get on with each other like many people of different religions do in Australia (some people are prejudiced, but many of us get on with people of many religions). Israel and Palestine can learn from us. : )

Friday February 1, 2008, 8:54 am
Thank you Simon and Anita for your wonderful contributions. The issue is just simple: end the occupation and end the return the lands to their owners (not their prehistoric owners, but for their present owners), and let people live peaceully, and everything will be solved!

The Zionist settlers who came before fifty years to the region have destroyed a whole country, and built a new one for their own, and expelled the Palestinians. This is a fact that no one can deny it except a Zionist..

Friday February 1, 2008, 8:56 am
Perhaps this site can explain more about the history of Palestine (and not "Israel"):
http://www.palestineremembered.com/

Saturday February 2, 2008, 9:24 am
Why don't you first tell me where the name 'Palestine' is from.

Saturday February 2, 2008, 11:01 am
Nice people. But what do the women get in the next world? Normal minds?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C327445%2C00.html

Saturday February 2, 2008, 12:58 pm
Thursday, January 31, 2008
Lawyers Accuse Dutch Army Leaders of Breaking International Humanitarian Law

Two lawyers have submitted a complaint with the Attorney-General’s office in The Hague accusing the Dutch military leadership of a severe breach of humanitarian law in Afghanistan. They claim that the Dutch kill too many civilians because they are using too heavy guns from great distances in order to hit Taliban fighters. According to the lawyers the law of warfare prohibits such attacks which hit civilians. The Attorney General’s office has announced that it will not follow up on the complaint.

Saturday February 2, 2008, 3:57 pm
Amjad
You are a wise man, my dear friend.
The question is the one that you say : end the occupation and end the return the lands to their owners and let people live peaceully, and everything will be solved!
... the rest are Byzantine discussions. I do not think that yo mr Chaya Eitan interests the truth ... his entire act is a distractive. ploy.

Saturday February 2, 2008, 4:01 pm
http://leninology.blogspot.com/2008/01/israel-lobby-and-its-discontents.html

Let me see if I can get this straight. In Palestine, there is a state that was created out of the murder and ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of the original inhabitants, which is fuelled by racism and religious fanaticism, and which has consistently murdered Palestinians and imposed forms of segregation on them in lieu of a just settlement. If you criticise this from any prominent position, you're likely to be called an anti-Jewish racist - and there's no Israel Lobby? Conversely, there is in the United States a powerful coalition of energy interests and finance-capital, interlocked with a state which has been engaged in the serious business of empire for over a century. It has built a coalition of popular support involving hard right Christians, racist crackers and militaristic gun nuts, behind a hard-right administration. But if it attacks an oil-rich country in the Middle East, it needs the permission of a small country in the Levant? Only theory can resolve this dreary deadlock. Grey is the tree of life, but theory is plush and radiant in whatever colour.

Sunday February 3, 2008, 6:18 am
This is what is coming out of all of this anti-Semitism!! Tell me, do you 'progressives' support this/???? You can all go to hell! Am Yisrael Chai! And I am a Jewish woman who proudly lives in Eretz Yisrael!!

http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/content/towerhamlets/advertiser/news/story.aspx?brand=ELAOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsela&itemid=WeED30%20Jan%202008%2020%3A51%3A30%3A863

Sunday February 3, 2008, 6:51 am
MUSLIMS SEIZE UPON NANNY DOGS FOR "SPORT"
FROM THEOPINIONATOR:
As far as I am concerned there is little more despicable than dog fighting. The useless occupiers of space that abuse dogs and then use them as entertainment should be sent to jail and the key thrown away. I have no sympathy and will make no excuses for the heinous activity of dog fighting. Needless to say if they were to come for my English bull terrier they'd not leave walking.

The below article discusses how our beloved "Nanny dog"- the little staffie has been seized upon by vile adults and forced into excessive breeding, fighting and eventual death. More comments below the article.

Entire article:


Bull terriers shut in lifts for fight to death

David Smith
Sunday February 3, 2008
The Observer


The number of Staffordshire bull terriers is soaring amid reports that the breed is being used increasingly for street fighting and a practice known as 'lifting', in which dogs or a dog and a cat are sent down in a high-rise lift in the hope that they will savage each other while being filmed on a mobile phone.
London's most famous animal rescue centre, the Battersea Dogs and Cats Home, has revealed that one in three of the dogs it handled last year was a Staffordshire bull terrier. The figure represents a 70 per cent increase on the number of pure bred Staffies and their crosses housed during 2005 - up from 1,564 to 2,677.


The RSPCA says that irresponsible behaviour involving dogs has grown so fast that it is now more of a problem than it was before the introduction of the 1991 Dangerous Dogs Act. 'It appears to be the latest hoodie accessory,' said RSPCA chief inspector Jan Eachus. 'Guns are illegal, knives are illegal, but to walk a dog on the street is not against the law.'

The anti-social behaviour includes damage to trees. Keen to build their pets' muscle and jaw strength, owners encourage them to strip off bark or to hang suspended from branches.

Staffies are also being used in muggings. Of 18 reported instances in which a description of the dog used was given, 10 were of Staffordshire bull terriers.

FROM THEOPINIONATOR continued:

Whereas the article would like us to believe it is the "hoodies" that are responsible (and some may be) but clearly the REAL group that has repeatedly been caught and convicted for dog fighting is...................................................................you guessed it............... MUSLIMS.

Below links are for three recent instances of muslims gangs and individual submerged in the reprehensible act of fighting dogs:



here and here and here

It is ironic that muslims who won't let dogs, even service dogs. in their cabs because dogs are unclean, have NO problem exploiting dogs for muslim "sport". But you can be sure that some addle-headed multicultural worshipping moron will do their typical muslim apologising routine and state that dog fighting is part of the muslim "culture" - you know the "culture" that these same multiculti idiots are trying to convince us is on a par with thousands of years of British civilisation??!!

Sunday February 3, 2008, 6:56 am
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/950381.html

"Independent Jewish Voices" was formed a year ago and counts Nobel laureate Harold Pinter and actor Stephen Fry among its prominent signatories.

Sunday February 3, 2008, 7:00 am
Muslim puts explosive on baby!!

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2008/02/depths-of-depravity-of-islamists.html

Sunday February 3, 2008, 7:02 am
Chaya Eitan
My absolute belief in democracy is being finalized ... I do not like to block people, but my patience is running outttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

Sunday February 3, 2008, 7:06 am
Oh, my Mada - take a piill!

This girl was put in solitary just because she loved the color pink!

http://www.kansascity.com/entertainment/story/470043.html

Sunday February 3, 2008, 7:09 am
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Statements/20080126statementcfm.cfm

Orthodox Jews Condemn Zionist Atrocities in Gaza
Assalam Alaikum


There is a vile lie which stalks the Jewish people across the globe. It is a lie so heinous, so far from the truth, that it can only gain popularity due to the complicity of powerful forces in the "mainstream" media and educational establishment.

It is a lie which has brought many innocent people untold suffering and if unchecked has the potential to create extraordinary tragedy in the future.

It is the lie which declares that the atrocities committed by the state of "Israel" against the people of Gaza and the entire Palestine, are the will of the Jewish people.

It is the lie which declares that Judaism and Zionism are identical.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Judaism and Zionism are diametrically opposite and antithetical.

Judaism is the belief in revelation at Sinai.

It is the belief that exile is a punishment for Jewish sins.

It is the teaching of the Torah they we are forbidden by the Almighty to have our own state, or to rebel against any nation. Zionism has for over a century denied Sinaitic revelation.

It believes that Jewish exile can be ended by military aggression.

Its goal is to transform Judaism from a religion into a nationalism.

Zionism has spent the past century strategically dispossessing the Palestinian people. It has ignored their just claims and subjected them to persecution, torture and death.

Torah Jews the world over are shocked and pained at this short lived dogma of irreligiosity and cruelty. Thousands of Torah scholars and saints have condemned this movement from its inception. They knew that the pre-existing good relationship between Jews and Muslims in the Holy Land and in the entire Muslim and Arab world, was bound to suffer as Zionism advanced. The state of Israel stands rejected on religious grounds by the Torah. Its monstrous insensitivity to the G-dly laws of basic decency and fairness appall all men be they Jewish or not.

We of Neturei Karta International have been in the forefront of the battle against Zionism for over a century.

Our presence here today is to refute the base lie that the evil which is Zionism in some way represents the Jewish people. The reverse is true.

We are saddened day in and day out at the terrible toll of death emanating from the Holy Land. Most of these deaths have been Palestinian. Not one of then would have occurred if Zionism would never have unleashed its evil energies upon the world.

As Jews we are called upon to live in peace and harmony with all men. We are exhorted to be law abiding and patriotic citizens in all lands. Our message that we are presenting to you today is crucially necessary to be known by all. Aside from the importance of our message to, with the help of the Almighty, contribute to save the Palestinian people and to help remove the dark stain that Zionism has wrought upon Judaism, it is also necessary because of another reason.

Many of the people assembled here today represent human rights groups that believe the answer to the ongoing tragedies is to have a two state solution. But we, Orthodox Jews, represent the Torah view that the only long lasting solution is to accept the G-dly command of the Torah, which opposes Zionism and the state of "Israel" entirely. It is essential that the Almighty's command to the Jewish people is known to all. This is crucial so that when the Zionists wave the Torah and use the name of the Almighty, to legitimize their occupation, the world should not become intimidated and the Palestinian people's rights should be easier to attain.

Islamic brethren — We condemn the current Zionist atrocities in the Holy Land. We yearn for peace based upon mutual respect. We are convinced that this proposed mutual respect is doomed to fail as long as the Israeli state exists. We welcome its abolition in a peaceful manner.

May we be worthy of true redemption when all men will join in brotherhood in His worship.AMEN.

Assalam Alaikum

Sunday February 3, 2008, 7:13 am
LOL LOL LOL - These 'Jews' are hated and have been put in herem! They are not to be spoken to!

Now to those so-called Jews on the Left.

http://zionism-israel.com/israel_news/2007/02/independent-jewish-voices-addition-to.html

Sunday February 3, 2008, 7:14 am
http://www.israelversusjudaism.org/torah-judaism/what-is-jewish-people.cfm

WHAT IS 'THE JEWISH PEOPLE'?

“Klal Yisroel”, “Knesseth Yisroel” or whatever name we may call that entity which is commonly known as “the Jewish People” is according to the views of Judaism something that cannot be defined. (When we use the phrase “Jewish People”, we do so only for the sake of convenience and brevity in spite of the fact that, as we shall try to prove, this name is essentially inappropriate.) The very idea of definition automatically requires as a preliminary condition that the object to be defined form part of some distinct group or species. Every definition is necessarily divided into two parts: it identifies the group or species to which the object belongs, and only subsequently, indicates of the specific individual character by which the object is distinct within such a group or species. (When defining a “chair”, for example, we first have to say that it is a piece of “furniture” (i.e. it belongs to the group of “furniture” and then that it is used as a seat-meaning that it is thereby different from other components of that group).

The concepts of “nation”, “people”, “religion” are basically non-Jewish. They form part of the non-Jewish pattern of thought and apply only to a non-Jewish background. (The fact that in modern Hebrew these ideas are being translated by certain parallel words from the Scriptures or the Talmud does not, of course, mean that such was their original meaning). “Klal Yisroel” does not, in truth, constitute a “nation” in the accepted sense of the word. Nor is it merely a “different nation” as compared with other nations; the attribute of “nation” or “national unit” in its accepted meaning in the non-Jewish world does not apply to “Klal Yisroel” at all. According to Jewish belief, the Jewish People constitutes a species of its own : “This People I have created for Myself” (Isaiah 43, 21), “the people that Thou hast acquired” (Ex. 15, 16) i.e. a special, separate act of Creation by the Almighty. “The thought of creating the Jewish People preceded every other thought” of the Almighty when creating the Universe according to the teaching of Rabbi Samuel bar Isaac (Bereshith Raba 1, 5). The Jewish people, as pointed out by the same Midrash, is “Thy congregation which Thou hast acquired of old”(Ps. 74, 2).

The Jewish People, Rabbi Judah Halevy (the famous medieval poet and philosopher) explains in his “Kuzari”, constitutes a separate entity, a species unique in Creation, differing from nations in the same manner as man differs from the beast or the beast from the plant. Chassidism (Likutei Amorim-Tanya, by Rabbi Shneur Zalmen of Lady, chapter 2) mentions the “second soul of the Jews” and explains, that although Jews are physically similar to all other men, yet they are endowned with a “second soul” that renders them a separate species.

Likewise, the Zohar says (Vol. III, 73a): Three levels are joined with one another: G-d, the Torah and the Jewish People. G-d, Torah and Yisroel are one unit.

It is the Torah that constitutes the People. It was only at the giving of the Torah that G-d spoke to His people (Deut. 27, 9) : “This day thou art became a people”, or, to use the words of the Talmud (Hullin 101b), “they were not called “Children of Israel” before coming to Mount Sinai”. The great Rabbi Saadya Gaon in his “Kitab el-imanat wa-I i'tiqadat” (Emunoth Vedeoth) formulated the famous principle : “Our people is a people only by virtue of its Torah”. Without Torah, the Jewish people is not only wanting and defective but ceases to be. The Torah is its soul, its identity. Thus, according to the view of the Torah, Judaism without Torah does not exist. Again, according to the view of the Torah, neither the Torah itself nor the Jewish people are the result of historical development but the original and final purpose of Creation. Every Jewish child learning his “Chumash” will certainly forever remember the first “Rashi” -i.e. Rashi's comment on the first verse of Genesis a quotation from the Midrash explaining the word “Bereshith” in the beginning in which he says : "For the sake of Torah which is called “beginning” *and for the sake of the Jewish people that is called “beginning”,** “G-d created the heaven and the earth”.