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Even After 1400 Years, Burying Women Alive Remains Our Tribal Tradition (Translation By: Ms Khadijah Shah)

Society & Culture  (tags: Chanan, SAP-PAK, Rauf Kalsara, Honour Killings, Balochistan, Khadijah Shah, Ferhan Mazher, Rays of Development Organization, Sargodha, Pakistan )

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The only difference we have observed after 1400 years is that we bury the female members of society only after they have been educated and reached puberty.

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Kit B (276)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 10:08 am
I didn't know this horrible action continued today. We all have read and heard of the horrible treatment of women in these countries, but this article brings it all into a stark and painful reality. That the government does not move to stop it and bring about changes tells all of us where the predominant thinking lies. As a women this story makes my heart hurt for my sisters everywhere that do not have the right to choose and live as free and independent human beings. How easy it would be to blame the religion, but in fact it is not the religion, but the choice to practice ancient and barbaric rituals, and of course there can be no justification for this. Some years ago, Olympia Dukakis narrated a documentary on some of the practices against women, the few men that agreed to discuss this on camera used the Koran as their excuse. Like the christian bible, many things taken out of context can be used to justify almost any behavior. We all have a long way to go before we are truly civilized, our freedoms and legal protections allow for so much growth, we must not take it for granted.

Lyta V (36)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 10:53 am
It is just another excuse to subjugate women. It asks the question, why men have such need to keep women uneducated, enslaved (and they are slaves) and unquestioning? Are they so weak willed that free women threaten them?

marcie h (19)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 10:54 am
Exactly where is this taking place Kit? this is the most horrible thing I've heard of yet. Why would they do this?

sue M (184)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 10:55 am
Sickening! Absolutely sickening! I can not even imagine the thought of being buried alive. What these women must go through!
Human rights are a must -we have no choice in the matter but to constantly be alert and fight for those rights. One thing we can do is fight for our own otherwise I fear we are headed in that direction.

Lyta V (36)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 10:56 am
Thank you Ferhan for bringing us this article. And I meant the previous remark to say "some men"

Lyta V (36)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 11:00 am
I do have some hope to see a man in Pakistan has posted this....he deserves multiple stars for doing so and bringing it to our attention (worldwide).

Amy B (39)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 11:05 am
WOW Kit...thank you for bringing this to the forefront, inhumane treatment of women and children, still happening in these days and times,...its appalling, and so unnecessary, i cant even begin to understand WHY...
you say its not religion? i may disagree to a point, most of these inhumane rituals, are based on a cultures beliefs, i think religion may play a bigger role than we think...religion is behind so many sadistic inhumane torturous rituals brought on by a belief, or interpretation of ones religion. regardless of why, its sadistic, IMO.
thank you Kit...

sue M (184)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 11:07 am
Amy, They are using religion as a tool. Not religion itself. Religion does not say go bury women alive. Total misinterperation.

Amy B (39)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 11:07 am
I'm sorry, thank you Ferhan for the article, and thank you Kit for forwarding this to me...

Amy B (39)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 11:10 am
its THEIR interpretation of their beliefs...brought about by THEIR religion...
am i wrong?

sue M (184)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 11:16 am
No, your not wrong Amy. Any religion, belief system will do that. They don't understand what it is about and fill in the gaps themselves. It doesn't make religion bad it just is just not understood properly. It's like when you get the directions to putting up a shelf system if you don't read and understand the directions your shelf unit will not stand up.

Lyta V (36)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 11:16 am
There are tribes that kill witches and it's not based on religion, just a handed down belief system. Mankind it seems can use most anything to further their agenda or blame innocents for almost anything going wrong in their lives.

sue M (184)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 11:18 am
Yes there are again just beliefs and interpretation.

John C (7)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 11:31 am
This is really horrific and I am really appalled that this type of behaviour is still taking place today. For the most part, I respect other people's customs and cultural differences, but this is not something I can condone. The United Nations, and perhaps our new government should pressure Pakistan, a supposed ally of ours, to stop this type of "normal" behaviour immediately.

Lyta V (36)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 11:33 am
I think it's interesting that in Indonesia and Iman attempted to ban Yoga. Didn't last long :) Reversed by public opinion....And that was Yoga and not killing women. That is what is so sad.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 11:35 am
I have two cats that are more civilized than the culture this article is based on. My cats kill only to eat. These slugs do it to bribe their "God" into liking them and not punishing them.

Lyta V (36)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 11:40 am
They do it to ensure the women in their culture do not get up and walk away leaving them with no one to enslave...and no children to control. IMHO

Kathy T (19)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 11:57 am

Kathy T (19)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 12:03 pm
I am horrified by this….I have placed a link at the top of my blog, you can see it here:

Lyta V (36)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 12:10 pm
Thank you William.

Kit B (276)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 12:33 pm
Thanks William, and all of you that have posted here. We must have some influence in this country, after all we practically support all the leaders to the tune of billions of dollars. There is no reason for this, if at one time in ancient history this practice was somehow justified, I don't think there can be anyway to excuse or even to understand it today. It happens because it can, because it is allowed. Many countries still practice so called "honor killings" because it is still allowed. It does make one wonder about these "cultural norms" as long as the society does not punish and punish harshly, I fear these things will continue. I think may be we should consider putting pressure on our government to use our diplomatic influence. I do try to be understanding an respectful of other cultures, this leaves no room for understanding.

sue M (184)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 12:40 pm
I am all for that Kit but I just am cautious it will not start another war. We don't want to give any more excuses for that subject.
I would suggest however writing to their government and putting pressure on the actual source.

Wendy Tripp (11)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 1:00 pm
This is truly outrageous. These men involved are spineless, cowards and they use this 'ritual' to keep their women under their 'control'. I have listened and also have Irshad Manji ( as one of my FRIENDS on MySpace. She is a progressive Muslim woman (lesbian) living in Canada who is a great advocate for women's rights and anti-traditional religious Muslim followers. She is kick-ass! Check her out! I watched her on C-SPAN one evening and was pulled into the program as she addressed the national Librarian Conference. I could not turn the channel and had to watch until she finished ... she is extremely intelligent and a wonderful, engaging speaker!

H Nick H (1826)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 2:34 pm
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. Pascal

I have this on my profile. I've known of this and other horrible things done to woman in the name of God. Not only Arabs, but other groups. And this may shock you, but it goes on here in the US. That is why everyone of us needs to stand up and SHOUT to stop this. As more people become aware and shout out, this will diminish. But, if no action, then it means you agree with it.

Joycey B (750)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 2:51 pm
This is so horrible. I pray is stops soon.

Lyta V (36)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 3:06 pm
Yes Nick, they bring their practices here and expect us not to charge them with murder. They rather quickly find out we don't ignore it here. They learn quickly our laws are secular which is why we need to ensure they stay that way.

Angela Rhodes (127)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 3:06 pm

sue M (184)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 3:09 pm
The solution is to DEMAND our constitution back! The Patriot Act allows such behavior.

Sheryl G (363)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 3:29 pm
Well these types of things are not limited to that area of the world, sadly, in Africa they still mutilate women's sexual areas so they can not "enjoy" the act of sex. The Christians burned the women as witches for the women were the caregivers and knew herbs...thereby being able to heal people...this took power away from the easier to brand them witches. Women and children have always been at the mercy of the male species in this world. It wasn't that long ago in this Country that women were considered part of the property of men...they could not own property and when the husband died the house and land went to the eldest son and if no son the nearest male relative...many a widow ended up at the mercy of her husbands brother and wife in her own home..subjected to being the built in housekeeper and stuck in the back of the house in the smallest room. Why it is important to never loose the rights we have and to try to help other women to empower themselves. Why it is important to VOTE WOMEN! Our Country claims it stands against these things but I see little being done in this direction when it comes to down to it. If some resource is needed our Country tends to turn a blind eye...but then we raped and murdered the Indians on this the World has not reached a Higher State of Being yet.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 5:07 pm
It is truly sickening to see the inhumanity in humans. What we are capable of doing to other humans is disturbing to the core. Animals are more humane than we so-called humans. It is a disgrace that some countries use their "religion" as an excuse to do such horrific things to their women, the ones they should be holding dear and protecting. Shame on them, and they are stupid enough to think Heaven awaits them. Are they ever in for a surprise!

Wendy Tripp (11)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 6:19 pm
As dandelion has mentioned above concerning the Christians branding women as witches .... Remember the Minister/Pastor that blessed Ms. Sarah Palin at her very own church in Wasallia? This man was in Africa identifying women living in Africa as witches causing them to have to leave their homes and villages. This continues today! What a relief that Palin is back in Alaska doing what she does best .... killing innocent wolves and condemning Polar Bears so her oil drilling plans and gas pipelines can grant HER an Alaskans $$$$$$$$$$$.

I really don't think that pastor blessed her and protected her from witches .... she already is one!

Jaclin S (230)
Sunday December 7, 2008, 6:47 pm
I agree Nick - as long as we accept what these poor women are going through - read about it - and do nothing - then we are just as guilty as those who condemn, abuse and torture them. These women have no RIGHTS they are subject to the whims of men - I find this absolutely unacceptable - is it really only from their religion that these men and I use the term very lightly - do this - or......... is it from fear that their women will rise up and become important and over take their achaic ideals??? Blessings and thanx Ferhan for this post.

Past Member (0)
Monday December 8, 2008, 2:32 am
Sadly noted. Thank you Ferhan and Nick for forwarding.

john g (92)
Monday December 8, 2008, 1:06 pm

Dometria Lanauze (6)
Monday December 8, 2008, 1:11 pm
Kudos to Ferhan for airing this article:
Since the Middle and Far East has adopted Patriarchal rule, women have had little or no control of their lives. I never heard about this practice when living in western Afghanistan in mid-70's where the respect for Womanhood was fostered but I've always been aware of how autocratic and fundamental Muslims had acted towards women, especially in parts of non-Kurdish areas of Turkey,Iran and Pakistan.

Knowledge and protest is the key to stopping this travesty of suppressing the power of our Matriarchal movement. We are the nurturers and of Peace and dialogue
May we, and they persevere. Peace and Love in our Quest for Truth

Lynne L (71)
Monday December 8, 2008, 3:55 pm
We must speak out against these atrocities against women. These men use their religion as an excuse or a crutch when confronted with their crimes for they are spineless creatures, indeed.
You must be the change you wish to see in the world. - Mahatma Gandhi

Debra L (5)
Monday December 8, 2008, 4:27 pm
The author of this article is my new hero. This horror of humanity has to be shouted to the world and stamped out. (and I wish a nasty little MAN desease to the two brothers that left their women folk to take the fall for their crime.)

Suzanna van der Voort (271)
Tuesday December 9, 2008, 8:05 am
Have send mail, also signed petitions I found and will crosspost and share.

Tim Redfern (581)
Tuesday December 9, 2008, 1:36 pm
As I scrolled down this thread, I was beginning
to think that no men had commented on this story
yet. Gentlemen, it's good to see you here! We have
an obligation as men to speak up and shout out about
this issue, because we have an obligation to protect
our sisters, and not bury them alive, or consider them
to be creatures of work, service and burden. Our sisters
are our fellow humanity, and must be treated with respect
and dignity, as all people expect to be treated. The
Goddess lives in every woman, everywhere, and we disrespect
the Goddess by this treatment of women.
Ferhan, you have my deep respect, sir.
May you continue to have the obvious respect and
love for women that you do, Inshallah.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 10, 2008, 10:30 am
How can this still happen it the 21st century?

Men have screwed up completely this planet! I believe it's time we let women take control to see if they can clean up 'our' mess!!

'men' who act like this are nothing but little frustrated creatures who have very serious psychological problems!

Analysing religions, which were created by men, who is their supreme being? A male figure...

Traditions must stop being used as excuses to perpetuate such barbaric actions!

Intelligent, feminine, powerful women must take control soon or we are destined to have 'little men with tiny dicks' ruling this world trying to prove to themselves they are 'real' men or something...!!!!

Princess Yasmin Al-saud (7)
Monday December 29, 2008, 7:04 am
Burying Women alive, is a Historical Activity, that seeks to guard the Sociological Savage part of the Masculine Male Structure among tribal Cults: This sacrificing by the dominating Chief Ruling - Lord - came through the old Society, having occurred while encountering a misinterpretation of the Holy Prophets, Prophetic Word. Leadership by the Masculine Gender was delivered via harsh practices seeking to show the God of Life a high regard, and themselves as devoted followers of the Sacrificial - Unblemished Lamb Surrendering: Thus, the practice was in turn to conclude to a New Age, that weak minds and stoned hearts are to abandon the arrogance of misinterpreted Prophetic Words?
Dec. 29, 2008
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