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Condoleezza Rice and more than a dozen other current and former intelligence officials must testify about their conversations with pro-Israel lobbyists, a federal judge ruled in an espionage case. The trial could reveal how our foreign policy is crafted.

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Sam H (410)
Friday November 2, 2007, 1:10 pm
In anticipation of its disappearance, here's the story!

Rice to Face Subpoena in Espionage Case

By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer
November 2, 2007

WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and more than a dozen other current and former intelligence officials must testify about their conversations with pro-Israel lobbyists, a federal judge ruled Friday in an espionage case.

Lawyers for two former American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobbyists facing charges have subpoenaed Rice, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams and several others to testify at their trial next year. Prosecutors had challenged the subpoenas in federal court.

Lobbyists Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman maintain the Israeli interest group played an unofficial but sanctioned role in crafting foreign policy and that Rice and others can confirm it.

If they ultimately testify in court, the trial in federal court in suburban Alexandria, Va. could offer a behind-the-scenes look at the way U.S. foreign policy is crafted.

The lobbyists are accused of receiving classified information from a now-convicted Pentagon official and relaying it to an Israeli official and the press. The information included details about the al-Qaida terror network, U.S. policy in Iran and the bombing of the Khobar Towers dormitory in Saudi Arabia, federal prosecutors said.

But defense attorneys argued that top U.S. officials regularly used the lobbyists as a go-between as they crafted Middle East policy. If so, attorneys say, how are Rosen and Weissman supposed to know the same behavior that's expected of them on one day is criminal the next?

U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III said the lobbyists have a right to argue that "they believed the meetings charged in the indictment were simply further examples of the government's use of AIPAC as a diplomatic back channel."

Defense attorney Abbe Lowell cheered the ruling.

"For over two years, we have been explaining that our clients' conduct was lawful and completely consistent with how the U.S. government dealt with AIPAC and other foreign policy groups," Lowell said on behalf of both defendants. "We look forward to the trial."

Ellis left open the possibility that the Bush administration may challenge the subpoenas on the grounds they would reveal privileged information. But the judge said his ruling Friday "may trump a valid governmental privilege."

If so, that could force the government to decide whether to allow the testimony or drop the case.

Neither the State Department nor the Justice Department had an immediate comment.

Among those subpoenaed in the case were: former Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz; former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage; and Marc Grossman, former undersecretary of state for political affairs.

Past Member (0)
Friday November 2, 2007, 1:52 pm
Thanks, Sam! Noted.

Isn't it funny how the government wants to spy on us and insists that if we have nothing to hide and support the war on terror, we shouldn't mind being spied on, wiretapped, and having the books we borrow from the library tracked, but when it comes to what THEY do, they want total secrecy and everything is done behind locked doors? If they've been operating legally and have nothing to hide, why don't they ever comply with subpoenas? Remember back when Dick Cheney tried to avoid a Congressional subpoena by saying that his office wasn't part of the Executive Branch? Maybe he was telling the truth -- maybe his office is really part of AIPAC or some other foreign interest. Or maybe it is really just a division of Halliburton. Please keep us posted on how this case develops. Great post.


Joycey B (750)
Friday November 2, 2007, 1:59 pm
Noted. Thanks Sam.

RC deWinter (418)
Friday November 2, 2007, 3:43 pm
Thanks, big surprises here...sigh

Sherry Arnold (1)
Friday November 2, 2007, 4:39 pm
No big surprise here!. They can track what we are doing, wiretap our phones, harass the hell out of LEGAL
American citizens, but anything the Feds do is behind closed doors and secretive as hell. I believe the American public is sick and tired of the lies, the sneakyness, and the loss of our freedom under this nutty administration. There is one person to blame for all of this and everybody knows who that is.

Christine Mancini (8)
Friday November 2, 2007, 4:47 pm
This regime is frightening. . .I 'm afraid of what they may leave in their wake as they leave the White House.

David Gould (155)
Friday November 2, 2007, 5:56 pm
It is ironic when you think what the last Nazis did to the Jews.

Edwin Purcell (178)
Friday November 2, 2007, 8:47 pm
It isn't right to label the controlling factor here the "jews". The warmongering, world control influence is not representative of most of the the jewish people. But, there is a real problem here that needs to be addressed. There is this strange notition that Isreal becomes safer by the US being belicose. The fact is, both Israel and the United States make themselves LESS safe by the insane foreign policy that we lead. How is it that the forces behind the hand-holding jump off the cliff by the US and Israel are so blind that they don't see they are going to bankrupt us in dept for needless war?

Eric Straatsma (3802)
Friday November 2, 2007, 9:45 pm
The ultimate strategy that Neo Cons and extremist Zionists are combining forces on is to pull off a World War III, so that their Savior will come back and expand the territory of Isreal all the way to the Red Sea, which means Iraq, Iran and many other Arab countries have to go.. According to the Old Testament, this is a prophecy that they are the agents to carry it all out. All prophecies rely on a WORLD WAR, before the Saviour comes. This means that the sooner everyone starts killing the sooner they can go to Heaven.

Of course, it is ironic that the Savior that both of them talk about is a very different fellow, but they do not seem to let that bother them. For most Christians, Jesus the Saviour has already arrived, and departed at least in body, but will return to gather his loyal sheep, but no one else, especially not Jewish people who rejected him.

For Zionists, Jesus never came, but the true Saviour will arrive soon. Both agree that The Saviour will come soon to save and take his Holy people to Heaven, but NOT ANYONE ELSE.

Bottom line, this means if you do not belong to a NEO Con approved church or to a Zionist group fighting to create WWW III, which will hopefull trigger the return of the Savior, you are lost and going to HELL, or worse; stay here on Earth while angels pummel you from all sides with plagues, boils, lice, rivers of blood, fires, etc.

Meenakshi Sharma (124)
Friday November 2, 2007, 10:25 pm
Noted Sam! As Cate mentioned no surprise.....what goes on there on Capitol? Sad! and very scary ... I wonder if it is worth living in this country?

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 3, 2007, 2:04 am
I love to bust your bubble but in the jewish religion amonhst mossiach believers the jewish people will not go into a kind of rapture. your knowledge is a little askew here eric. although, interesting and understandable theory.( frankly more from a hard core christian fanatic point of view than a jewish point of view.) In true judaism and amongst th leading Torah scholars including Rav Laitman ( in particular) The Jewish people accepted the covenant at Mt .Sinai to be priests of the One God and uphold ethics towards all people.s. now the failure to do so ( as in the case of the current israeli administration) does not fall in accordance with the spiritual laws encumbant upon the jewish peoples. Seriously studied jewish people, devout , religious, know this.Much of western law is based upon jewish ethical codes.

now what am i trying to say? The esoteric redemotion of the jewish people is not by war or this insanity. The current israeli administartion is going against the teachings. there is a spiritual rift.
yes but the israeli govt is not workinmg to bring the mosiach in to create a third world war

Elizabeth H (6)
Saturday November 3, 2007, 6:41 am
I guess we are not all held to the same laws in this country. If you are in the government you can simply ignore or flat out disobey a subpoena. Nice. I am sick and tired of people saying the US is a democracy, if it were we would all subject to the SAME laws. This is not a democracy and with Bush and Cheney in the office I am starting to feel it is more like a dictatorship.

Jon B (0)
Saturday November 3, 2007, 8:30 am
thank you so much for this post.
im glad to finally see a little accountability in the white house!

Dana Sartin (3)
Saturday November 3, 2007, 2:30 pm
Actually, America was created to be a Republic and not a Democracy.

However, somewhere along the way...we got lost.

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 3, 2007, 4:42 pm
DJ, a republic is just a representative form of democracy. In a direct democracy, the people vote directly on what they want done. In a republic, people vote for representatives who are supposed to represent them and carry out their wishes.

Unfortunately, where we got lost is that when representatives got into power, they decided that they didn't have to represent their constituents, and could represent corporations instead. So the President represents the oil and defense industries, the Vice-President represents Halliburton, and Congress represents all the corporations who have full time lobbyists plying Congress with campaign donations (bribes) and expecting to be able to write laws in return.

Elections are tallied on secret vote-counting computers (central tabulators) so nobody can ever be sure if someone was legitimately elected or not. And once somebody is in office, we the people have no power to impeach or unseat them, we just have to wait for the next rigged election. But the fact that we were meant to be a republic or representative democracy, rather than a direct or particpatory democracy, does NOT mean that we were supposed to be a dictatorship or tyranny.

When our representatives stopped representing us, we should have had a revolution, or as the founders put it, watered the tree of liberty with a little blood, as can become necessary from time to time. Instead we just sat back and said that maybe what was good for General Motors really was good for the country, and we believed that until they outsourced our jobs, closed the factories, and left us working two low-wage service jobs to try to make the payments on Japanese cars.

Dana Sartin (3)
Saturday November 3, 2007, 5:12 pm
Thanks for posting Mark,

I agree. What I should clarify is that what I meant by we got lost along the way, was that 'we the people' got lost in a state of simply not recognizing what was happening and the representatives got lost because they let other people convince them to 'do certain things for our own good', whether we expressed it was what we wanted done or not. And the whole while, although unhappy with many decisions, too many of us sat back and decided well maybe it will all work out for the good of all...

..and it hasn't.

I'm not for more violence, but am seeing signs of real and present unrest in this country and realize that at some point people will indeed start taking many actions to stop all that is going on and try to turn things around.

I am FOR that happening without bloodshed....we're having too much of that already involving our own people over in other lands,



Jennie B (14)
Saturday November 3, 2007, 6:36 pm
yes, we certainly got lost along the way....we elected the wrong President or he stole the election and brought w/him some very SICK buds....I'll be glad when he's gone and I hope we have a a country left at the end of this debacle.noted/shared

Past Member (0)
Monday November 5, 2007, 1:03 am

Past Member (0)
Monday November 5, 2007, 1:07 am
sam it amazes me that our former head of the military rumsfield had been indicted on war crimes in Europe and had tto flee this weekend ehats realy going on>> chris spr53

pete O (242)
Monday November 5, 2007, 4:07 am
Thanks Sam... !

Linda H (199)
Monday November 5, 2007, 7:19 pm
Noted! Thanks Sam... This no real surprise to me I worked in D.C. to long.

Lucky Children A (104)
Monday November 5, 2007, 11:41 pm
Thank you Sam.


Carlos Alejandro (69)
Friday November 9, 2007, 1:13 am
This is just another example that shows how corrupt, treasonous and slimy Emperor Bush's administration really is! Israel is a foreign country and should not be interfering in the American government decisions under any circumstances.
But then both current governments, American and Israeli are right wing kissing twins in dishonesty and corruption. Neither seams to be accountable for their acts. Can anybody place those criminals in prison where they belong? I doubt it.

Thank you Sam, you find interesting info.

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Sunday December 2, 2007, 2:39 pm
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