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Breastfeeding Bans in Atlanta... Covered By Robin Marty in Protect Women's Rights


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Jenny
- 2589 days ago - care2.com
One metro area in Atlanta, Georgia has decided that they are no longer OK with mothers feeding their children in public - even though the World Health Organization recommends breastfeeding to age two and beyond.



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Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 12:34 pm

Beyond intelligent comprehension!

Thanks for posting, Jenny.

 

Lydia S (155)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 12:39 pm
Morons ! Clearly they were not breastfed ! Their IQ would be higher, What about baggy pants & miniskirts?
Did they ban those as well? And if they are so boob a phobic how are there any babies being born to nurse?
I nursed my son discretely whenever he needed to nurse and never received any negative comments or funny
looks, Quite the opposite in fact.
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 12:45 pm

One further note . . .

My daughter was born in 1972. At that time, the "women's movement" was in full-swing -- encouraging females to "have it all." Honestly? Breast feeding was seen (at that point in time) as "limiting" to women who wished to rise above the stereotype of "incubators."

Fortunately, science and the internet, spreading knowledge, overcame those initial (wrong) thoughts; and I am proud to say, that my own daughter (raised by a militant feminist) "educated" me when she became pregnant, and pointed to the well-documented (since then) reasons for breast-feeding.

I was so proud to escort my daughter to luncheons and other public places and see her embrace this bonding, and healthy act of nurturing! She was always in reach of a receiving blanket, and the wonderful moments, and her -- GAWD FORBID -- nursing breasts were concealed. (Children really CAN teach their elders.)

I was SO PROUD of her!

Don't allow this backwardness to stop what is a very important link (healthwise, and otherwise) from mother to child.

 

Teresa W (782)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 1:15 pm
Who stands behind it? Pharmaceutical companies producing artificial milk substitutes?
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 1:26 pm

Teresa, I'm sure much of it DOES have to do with infant formula manufacturers . . . in conjunction with right-wing religious zealots, who cannot see a female's breast as anything other than sexual, and perpetuate their own frailities and insecurities -- thereby, controlling women and any possible progression of thinking about them.

 

Eduardo Terroso (0)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 1:28 pm
That's absurd! What should be considered indecent is feeding a 2 years old with industrialized food. There's people who gives soda to their babies and everybody act like if it's ok.
 

Alice C (1797)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 1:49 pm
Breast feeding is a natural human function ~ who makes up these stupid laws ~ formulas are only for mother's are not able to breast feed and even then ~ a nurse maid can help out in this situation ~ are we back to the 50's ?
 

Pamylle G (461)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 1:50 pm
Ridiculous !
 

Alice C (1797)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 1:51 pm
Are police expected to arrest breast feeding moms ???? give me a break !
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 1:53 pm

In reality, Alice -- after watching the beauty of my own daughter breastfeeding -- I was FURIOUS with my own OB/GYN, who never pointed out the very real benefits of breastfeeding, even if only for a short time.

As I was being wheeled into the delivery room, I was asked, "Are you returning to work, or breastfeeding?" At that time, in the last stages of labor, I said, "No, I'm going back to work." and was immediately given the first shot to dry up my breast milk.

 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 1:57 pm

"Wednesday May 18, 2011, 1:49 pm
Breast feeding is a natural human function ~ who makes up these stupid laws ~ formulas are only for mother's are not able to breast feed and even then ~ a nurse maid can help out in this situation ~ are we back to the 50's?"

Good point!

Increasingly, I'm becoming frightened by so many radical right-wingers, who seem intent upon reversing EVERY piece of legislation that empowered women . . . and by the zombie-like women who support them!

 

Alice C (1797)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 2:00 pm
They used to bind a women's breasts ~ a very painfull thing ~ and give them shots of speed to make them loose weight as well...It happened to my mother...she told me all about it...she got hooked on speed...and then needed the shots after a very short time. It was not up to her to decide ~ it was decided by the husband who had full control.
 

Alice C (1797)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 2:04 pm
This story needs to go front page !
Thank you for the post !
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 2:10 pm

When I discovered I was pregnant, I was subjected to the usual battery of tests -- one of them regarding rubella. Although I had 4 siblings, all of whom had measles (by my mother's choice, because -- in those days -- parents felt it best to just "get it over with" by letting all of us get it at the same time), I never did.

My test proved that I had a natural immunity. Had I known that, and breastfed, I may have passed on that immunity to my child.

We really must STOP these Victorian, backward, interferences with natural (and documented) advancements. If men cannot control their pre-occupation with female breasts (even in a nurturing environment) as sexual provocation, then BLAME and CORRECT THEM!

 

Judith K (93)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 2:11 pm
Strange decision, so now mothers and infants have to go to the toilet in case the baby is hungry? Well, it would be another field for TSA may be: The breast feeding police. :-)
 

Alice C (1797)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 2:19 pm
Agree Carole !
I have a natural immunity to chicken pox.
My son, who was breast fed ~ never got the chicken pox
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 2:19 pm

Hey, even here -- on Care2 -- a few years ago, one of my friends' avatar was of her breastfeeding . . . and Care2 decided that it was "indecent."

(Right, Lauren Stone? Yeah, girl . . . I remember.)

 

Alice C (1797)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 2:22 pm
I have a picture of the same somewhere ~ I should find it and post it ! lololol
 

Sheryl G (360)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 2:22 pm
It's ok Judith when the TSA can stick their hands up inside your bra for a good rub and squeeze while at the airport but not to feed the baby.

This is the same State, Georgia, where State Rep. Bobby Franklin—who in 2010 proposed making rape and domestic violence "victims" into "accusers" now in 2011 has introduced a 10-page bill that would criminalize miscarriages and make abortion in Georgia completely illegal. Both miscarriages and abortions would be potentially punishable by death: any "prenatal murder" in the words of the bill, including "human involvement" in a miscarriage, would be a felony and carry a penalty of life in prison or death.

So this insanity of not being able to breastfeed in Atlanta, Georgia isn't surprising at all, but very disturbing along with all the other attacks on women in that State.

My goodness, don't be a woman in the State of Georgia........so do it somewhere else.
 

Joan for Peace (413)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 2:34 pm
this is so wrong, my daughter does use breast milk but finds it easier to pump with twins. if she was just dealing with one i would encourage natural breastfeeding without embarrassment. so bad when people believe the natural is dirtly
 

Kit B (276)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 3:59 pm

When I breast fed my children I used a shawl or a poncho, while in public or for guests in the home. If someone really wondered about what was going on they could figure it out.

Yes, it is natural and healthy - then again so is sex. Most of us want some natural and healthy privacy.

As for making laws against it - don't we get to make choices for ourselves any more? It seems every damn thing we do must have some sort of legislation. If you don't want to see the act of breast feeding then don't stare.
I seen people on an airplane groping one another and just grabbed a book or magazine. They weren't hurting me.

 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 4:14 pm
Noted and signed.Thanks Carole for the forward.
 

Amena Andersson (187)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 5:33 pm
When my son was born, it was not at home as I had planned with my midwife, but in the hospital. I was almost 35, on BP meds and ended up in the ER after a 90mph race (my midwife driving) as I had gone into an over one month premature labor with lots of pain. My dear midwife stuck to me like glue, for which I am eternally grateful. She caught my son who would have landed on the floor had she not as the MD was too busy and unconcerned to notice what was happening. I will not bore you with all the horrendous details and mistakes that were made by the hospital (I almost died); but, after he was born he was whipped away from me and I was told that I could not nurse him because of my condition and the meds I was on. I was also advised by the MD that breastfeeding was of no importance and I'd be better off using a bottle anyway. I could have wrung his neck. Fortunately, my midwife found me someone from La Leche who came and taught me how to express milk using a pump and also without , so that for one month I did this, throwing away the milk, so that once his liver and kidneys were more mature (and I on fewer meds) I would be able to breastfeed him when we went home. And, so I did. Meanwhile, La Leche found me other mothers who were breastfeeding who were happy to donate milk for my son until I could. It was an amazing experience, all of it. And, yes, though a very difficult time, I would do it all again. The breastfeeding was worth it. Do not ever let anyone talk you or your daughters out of it. I am so grateful for the efforts of my midwife, La Leche League, and all the anonymous mothers who were so kind and generous with their time and milk. Today my son is a strong, healthy man of 33 for which I am forever grateful.
 

Phyllis P (237)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 6:15 pm
I am not against breastfeeding in public. But for me personally, I preferred privacy. That is just me.
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 6:58 pm

Amena, thank you for sharing your very personal -- and inspirational -- story!

(I love that kind of stuff.)

 

(0)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 7:06 pm
Unbelievable. What is going on in the State of Georgia?
 

Pat B (356)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 7:42 pm
Thanks for posting this, and Carole for the FW. Personally, it's hogwash, leave the mamas alone, it's their decision, and no one else's. I breastfed my own two babies, (now grown), and like Kit, used a blanket for 'privacy' when out, when my baby was hungry. I also pumped my milk, as I had enough in supply to feed several babies. It's a wonderful and healthy experience, private like Phyllis, and a wonderful experience. They should leave well enough alone. Good comments ladies, thank you for the reads. Take care all. xox
 

RosemaryRannes H (650)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 10:56 pm
My daughter nursed both my grandaughters in public using the appropriate cover for privacy and my niece the same, and if women are going to be attacked for nursing their babies in public then i suggest that these men take the next shuttle to wherever it's going - ONE WAY !
My Seestah 'C' , Dandelion and friends thank you one and all for your comments... much respect and love ....
 

RosemaryRannes H (650)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 11:25 pm
Just as a 'side bar' of sorts which hopefully will make my point without offending anyone!
Read if you will http://www.cbsatlanta.com/news/27912702/detail.html
Atlanta Police Arrest Dozens In Prostitution Sting
Police Call Sting 'Major Success'
by Steve Kiggins, CBS Atlanta Reporter

POSTED: 3:13 pm EDT May 16, 2011
UPDATED: 5:24 pm EDT May 16, 2011

My reason for posting this, actually looking it up in the first place is to say this:
THERE ARE REAL ISSUES TO PAY ATTENTION TO SO LEAVE WOMEN WHO CHOOSE TO NURSE THEIR BABIES IN PUBLIC ALONE, AFTER ALL AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL NEEDS HEALTHY CHILDREN MORE THAN IGNORAMUSES AND SMALL MINDED PETTY PEOPLE ...
WHEW... now i need to calm down, take care of my back pain and go to sleep !!!!!!
 

Jytte Nhanenge (64)
Thursday May 19, 2011, 2:52 am
Great post Jenny. Thanks for the forward Just.

As I perceive reality, this is yet another patriarchal move towards controlling and limiting women’s freedom and rights. It is part and parcel of patriarchal domination; a system which is on the increase. Patriarchy is so scared of women, their bodies, and their sexuality, their ability to give life, to nurture, and to care. Read how the German philosopher G. W. F. Hegel (1770-1831) saw it, "Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal." "A woman is but an animal and an animal not of the highest order." "I cannot conceive of you to be human creatures, but a sort of species hardly a degree above a monkey."

Currently modern patriarchy is returning to this kind of thinking. Lately there has been increasing political attack on the freedom and equality of American women. You all know the limitations that politicians want to put on women’s rights to their own bodies, and access to reproductive health. I just read this article the other day. Please have a look, Georgia is state number 8.

 
10 Worst States to be A Woman

With such fear of women and their bodies, what else can we expect? It is dangerous for a patriarch to see a woman's breast. It may remind him of his unsatisfied sexual desires, and then the beast will come out in him. Therefore, we better control and cover up women's bodies, as being something dirty. One cannot help to wonder who it is that needs to be controlled? Let us take another example: We are just in the middle of the sexual scandal caused by IMF director Dominique Strauss-Kahn. A hotel maid of foreign decent enters his luxury hotel room (3,000 USD per night!) in order to clean. However, the naked patriarch needed to satisfy his sexual desires, thus the woman came perfectly on time! What can we learn from this? Seen from a patriarchal perspective, we really need to control these hotel maids, isn't it?

I live in Africa. Each and every woman with a baby is showing her naked breast in public. It is a natural part of being a woman and a mother. Nobody would ever question it. There is nothing sexual connected to a woman’s breast. However, during the last years I have noticed that the modern, scientifically educated women have started to cover up their breasts when feeding, or to give the baby a bottle. This is a regretful influence from a so called modern world. Research has shown that mother milk has special nutritional value, which is necessary for a baby to grow and sustain his or her tiny and fragile body. If we take that away from mother and child we will increase child mortality rates. Hence, leave the breast and the baby alone – what ever the age.

I can warmly recommend people (men and women) to read Eve Ensler’s book, "The Vagina Monologues" or if possible watch the play. After we have learned to call a vagina for a vagina, we will not anymore need to feel uncomfortable about the life-giving, nurturing, and tremendously beautiful female body.
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 19, 2011, 4:24 am

Great comments (and hotlink), Jytte!

 

Krasimira B (175)
Thursday May 19, 2011, 5:32 am
Unbelievable and shameful! Thank you Jenny and Carole for sharing.
 

. (0)
Thursday May 19, 2011, 7:31 am
Ut is bad I stopped shopping at somme stores that Banned it ........
 

Kit B (276)
Thursday May 19, 2011, 9:05 am

Thanks for adding that information about Le Leche League Amena. I had no one to assist me in this, and Le Leche League was so very helpful, and informative. I had zero prior experience with babies before mine was born, didn't even know how to change a diaper, as I had not been a baby-sitter in mt youth. I may not agree with every idea of Le Leche League, but if you need support, information and few friends, it's great resource. Then there is the ability to share your bounty with others, some times sick babies that need breast milk, again Le Leche League keeps up this and asks for help.
 

Ashley N (17)
Thursday May 19, 2011, 1:40 pm
These people should be ashamed of themselves. Breastfeeding is very healthy for baby and mom.
 

Eileen Novak (444)
Thursday May 19, 2011, 1:43 pm
As Just Carole stated, "Beyond intelligent comprehension! " Way beyond.
Now, I don't want to see junior breastfeeding at a restaurant before his prom, but for babies...common! This shouldn't even be a topic of discussion. Natural as breathing.
Plus, I've never seen a woman breastfeed indiscreetly. Never. If you have so many ingrained hang-ups that a baby being fed disturbs you, you need a therapist.
 

Farah Hage Ali (153)
Thursday May 19, 2011, 2:15 pm
noted, thank you
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday May 19, 2011, 2:47 pm

Now, THIS is the kind of thing that perplexes me about the "religious right."

They sanctify childbirth . . . but they don't want to have to view breastfeeding publicly.

They don't want women to make choices about abortions . . . but, once those children are born, they don't want to have their tax dollars used for welfare for them.

And, they value life . . . but, continuously promote aggressive wars, where the majority of the fatalities are civilians (mainly, women and children).

I sense a logical disconnect here.

 

Jelica R (144)
Thursday May 19, 2011, 4:26 pm

Right said, Carole!

As Dandelion pointed out: "This is the same State, Georgia, where State Rep. Bobby Franklin—who in 2010 proposed making rape and domestic violence "victims" into "accusers" now in 2011 has introduced a 10-page bill that would criminalize miscarriages and make abortion in Georgia completely illegal. Both miscarriages and abortions would be potentially punishable by death: any "prenatal murder" in the words of the bill, including "human involvement" in a miscarriage, would be a felony and carry a penalty of life in prison or death."

Obviously, this nice gentleman, State Rep. Bobby Franklin, just adores fetuses, and probably soldiers and tax-payers. Any human in-between must simply vanish from his eyesight, if can not vanish from life. Makes perfectly nonsense.
 

T. A. H (39)
Thursday May 19, 2011, 5:00 pm
Noted with thanks.
 

Robert O (12)
Friday May 20, 2011, 1:39 am
Like I said elsewhere, laws and law making have no place in a woman's cleavage. What's next? Enforcing laws relating to children that are still wearing diapers at the typical age they are normally potty trained? Please. There are way more serious crimes taking place and most law enforcement personnel can't catch a cold much less criminals breaking more serious laws that are actually enforceable. It's just easier for them to nitpick over little things since there are way too many popsicle people (those that are frozen solid with huge wooden stucks up their rear ends) out there that make a big deal over something innocuous and law enforcement personnel that are only able to enforce the minor laws. I can just see the boys in blue now , "Ma'am please put the baby down in the stroller. Now without making any sudden moves, slowly place your breast back securely inside your blouse... "

I mean really, Give me a break!
 

Robert O (12)
Friday May 20, 2011, 1:41 am
Sorry about the typo, I was fuming. I meant to type too many popsicle people (those that are frozen solid with huge wooden STICKS up their rear ends)...
 

Past Member (0)
Friday May 20, 2011, 7:46 am
so backward.
 

Billie C (2)
Sunday May 22, 2011, 2:16 pm
they didn't ban breast feeding they banned people from breast feeding children older than 2 in public. i don't think it should be against the law but something is wrong if you haven't weaned your child before the age of 2. children older than 2 are toddlers. they should be eating food and drinking from cups.
 

Jenny Dooley (830)
Tuesday May 24, 2011, 5:57 am
Thanks - many thanks - to Robin Marty for this blog.
I'm so glad I was raised in Australia. It seems to me we missed out on much of the antibreastfeeding brainwashing that commercial enterprises promoted. But I might be wrong - my mother was keen to get breastfeeding over and done with.
Now that I think of it, I had malnutrition as a baby.
...........................
NOTE TO BILLIE: As Robin notes "The City Manager says it is a step to controlling "nudity" though the whole city. It is, in fact a step to establish control, but what type of control is the city after? The rule is simply a step in ensuring that women who are caring for children feel pressure to be at home, and out of the public eye.
"Once it has been established for ages two and up, how long will it take for such a ban on public feeding to expand until eventually all nursing mothers are forced to stay in their houses."
 

Jonjon Hoy (146)
Tuesday May 24, 2011, 11:10 am
If people had enough common since to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions on the heal, they would know after a baby is 6mths old, no more ninny and it's bottle time. But for lands sake, please don't breast feed a baby out in public. It's such a turn off when your shopping or eating out.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 16, 2011, 4:20 pm
Once I was appalled that a woman was breastfeeding in the booth of a restaurant where I was waitressing. The woman was completely covered and decent. I even made a shrud comment to my fellow co-workers about her "nerve" and "the gull of some people".

Years later, I married had my first child and became EDUCATED about the health benefits and the benefits of the emotional bonding between mother and child. I realized how STUPID I HAD BEEN and felt very ashamed I had passed judgement upon a stranger who never knew of it.

I couldn't breast feed but 2 months my first child because I did not have the assistance of a lactation consultant and ended up with extreme pain because I wasn't doing it right. In those days it was still considered taboo or backwards to breast feed, even in the privacy of my own home. I can't tell you how many family and friends asked "Why do you want to do that?!" in shock and terror as though I had lost my mind.

Eventually, I had three other children...all whom I breast feed. I had a wonderful lactation consultant for my second child which made all the difference in the world.

My first child stayed sick for 7 years. Turned out he was lactose intolerant and the pediatrician refused to assist me in keeping him off milk products. My son went through years of hellish torturous stomach cramps and pains including trips to the emergency room...all because our society's dependency upon store bought milk. I finally learned that as a mother I knew my child best and to do what I thought was best. I took him off milk products and after two weeks the constant stuffy nose, irritable mood, and stomach cramps all ended.

In contrast, my second, third and fourth children (all who were breast feed) didn't even have as much as a cold or a smiffle for several years. Breast feeding passing on important anti-bodies and nutrients onto the child that is not available in commercial formula and is unable to be reproduced.

Breasts are for the purpose of suppling the baby / toddler with much needed nutrition unmatched by any other source. I came to realize that if I was in a store where they had bottled and stored on the shelf the most nutritious and healthy milk that would ward off disease and illness and then have listed a large "FREE MILK!" sign to boot....heck yes EVERY MOTHER would grab it from the shelf. But God has done one better, the breast milk is continually replentished and is warmed to the perfect temperature at a moment's notice. I no longer had to wake myself from a deep slumber, turn on the lights throughout the house, track to the kitchen, listen to a crying baby while awaiting the bottled milk to warm, risk burning the baby's mouth if I forgot to test it or didn't feel it as hot as it was all the while having the crying baby awake my husband from a much needed sleep when he and I needed to go to work the next day.

Yep. Just allowing the baby to latch on, get a tummy full, and forget all the hassle...breast feeding was best for us all.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 16, 2011, 4:33 pm
If this locality really wants to limit nudity then maybe they should start with the magazine adds in the grocery isle, commercials and television programming. I can't watch t.v. for a second without some type of grossly heinous violent image or sexual imagery blasting across our family television! On Saturday mornings while watching a family friendly / kid friendly show about animals, it has cut straight to the image of a decapitated head for one of the NCIS or Law & Order programs. The commercials of today are worse than "R" rated movies were when I was a kid in the 1970's. And, its pretty bad when someone who was raised in the '70s thinks things are out of control.

Men are the ones who hijacked the breasts as a sexual toy for their own pleasure distorting its intended purpose. It's society's problem and the U.S. society's responsiblitiy to correctly INFORM its citizens. It is NOT the woman's fault NOR the fault of the innocent baby that people distort a perfectly normal, healthy, natural, beneficial, necessary function. This is one subject where knowledge makes all the difference in the world.
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 16, 2011, 4:47 pm

(If this appears more than once, it's because Care2 keeps asking me to resubmit.)

Most adamantly, WELL SAID, Tonya!

 

Jytte Nhanenge (64)
Friday June 17, 2011, 2:35 am
Wonderful educational piece dear Tonya. I admire your insight. Thank you so much.
 
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