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Animal Cruelty: Could a Barbaric Pig-Handling Video Hurt Major Grocery Chains?

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Earlier this year, the National Pork Board introduced its new slogan: "Be inspired." It isn't nearly as catchy as "the other white meat," an earlier campaign that touted the health benefits of pork, but it did evoke something even higher and nobler.

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Eternal Gardener (745)
Saturday July 2, 2011, 8:36 pm
It is high time they demand humane pig -rear and process- procedures from suppliers, though the first demand should come from the customers of grocery chains! Implement anything that scores an effect in this direction!

Simone Duffin (1462)
Saturday July 2, 2011, 9:10 pm

It should hurt them , they are been hurting the poor pigs! Thank you Genoveva!

Bill K (3)
Saturday July 2, 2011, 9:13 pm
this is why agribusiness is pushing for laws that ban photos and videos. they show just how abusive their "standard practices" really are. go vegan to prevent further abuse.

Joan for Peace (413)
Saturday July 2, 2011, 10:59 pm
so bad how these animals are treated

Catherine Turley (192)
Saturday July 2, 2011, 11:21 pm
decent people need to start walking the talk. i'm tired of everyone saying how terrible these videos are and then not doing one single thing about it. everybody knows that a massive boycott would work, but people are so friggin cheap and lazy. COSTCO, KROGER, HY-VEE, SAFEWAY. you are now on the list.

Animae C (514)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 1:17 am
Yes go vegan... BOYCOTT them all!

Agnes W (141)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 1:41 am

Danuta W (1250)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 2:19 am

Michele Wilkinson (106)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 2:27 am
If this treatment of animals is "standard practice" as was stated in the article, then everyone involved should be ashamed.
There appears to be a mentality of......"well, the animal is going to be killed anyway, so it doesn't really matter how it is treated" factory farming, which is sickening.
Whatever happened to humane treatment and compassion?

Genoveva M (328)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 3:43 am
I am vegan as a result of one of these videos, it took away my appetite for flesh and for the rest of my life.
I believe any person who honesty can say to care for animals would be capable to swallow a single bite after watching these horrors, or with the simple power of imagination base on the facts, people would be very happy to quite eating flesh and getting healthy.

Liz NO FWDS G (72)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 5:13 am
Noted and the welfare of factory farmed animals is close to my heart and they give up their life for humans to eat them and the cruelty to these innocent animals i find very upsetting,even in death their is no compassion shown to them!!!!! If only everyone would watch a video of farm animals being cruelly treated and the way they are transported to the slaughterhouse and hell on earth when they reach there and what barbaric treatment shown to these poor animals i think a lot of people would NEVER eat flesh again....And boycotting the supermarkets would be a start. Thank you dear Genoveva.Liz

Laura H (964)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 6:27 am
Look up "Wiles pig farm"......

Please go vegan.

Bill K (3)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 6:31 am
a few years ago a couple of large chicken producers (i won't call them farms) in my area were charged with animal cruelty after investigators took similar videos. it even went to trial. but the charges were dismissed because it was found the abuse the chickens suffered was considered to be "standard practices."

MmAway M (507)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 6:59 am
Thank you Genoveva....I feel sick after reading this article! Even though people will be heating up their barbeques here in the USA....I absolutely prefer my salad! These are creatures that have feelings and what Mankind does to them just HURTS my heart!

. (1)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 9:32 am
Noted. Thank you Genoveva.

Isabel d (48)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 9:34 am
Blessings to all those brave investigators to take a risk to expose such terrible acts of cruelty.
Thank you Genoveva

Lisa N (207)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 10:24 am
Just despicable the way that Big Ag treats animals. The industry has gotten so far away from humane. It is all about mass production & big profit. The animals are suffering terribly & it just disgusts me to no end.

Constance F (418)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 11:41 am
Star to you Genoveva for the post and comment. And stars to you all who actually give a hoot for all species. Not only is the treatment and slaughtering of these animals sickening, but the cattle industry is devastating our lands and wildlife. (wild horses, wolf, buffalo, and burros, etc.) A lose-lose situation all around. I know I am preaching to the choir - Please consider boycotting, and ridding yourself of animal flesh - Here's another fact: "Animal farming accounts for 18% of global greenhouse gas emissions, surpassing the entire global transportation sector, which accounts for 13.5% of total emissions."

Stelizan L (258)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 11:52 am
"agribusiness is pushing for laws that ban photos and videos" - heard the good news earlier that their efforts got them a 'kick under the butt' in some States. Alas, in an ideal world we'll all be able to go vegan but, in the meantime, let's push for more humane practices all over the planet!!

Dianne D (490)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 12:04 pm
I think there show be TV's with video's at every meat counter showing what slaughter looks like. People grow up eating meat and think it's fine. They don't think what they are doing to themselves and the animals.

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 12:19 pm

Patricia A (0)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 12:42 pm
Go right to the source, stop eating beings.

Marilyn M (145)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 1:05 pm
Noted. Thank you for posting, Genoveva, and thank you for forwarding, Constance.

I could not watch the video. The narrative description was sufficiently horrific for me.

In Iowa, the institutionalized animal abusers, i.e., livestock producers, have ensured that state laws exempt their blatant cruelty from prosecution. According to the article,

"And in Iowa, the largest pork-producing state in the nation, if it's standard, it's legal. Chapter 717A of the Iowa Code, titled 'Injury to Livestock,' includes an exemption for 'customary animal husbandry practices.'"

Those who engage in animal cruelty should never be allowed to escape punishment by labelling or categorizing their despicable acts as standard practice.

The prospect of changing the law is unlikely in view of the stranglehold the agriculture industry has on Iowa politicians. Therefore, the best approach is for consumers to ask the supermarket chains which purchase products from the abusers to stop doing business with them until they reform their practices.

Ruth C (87)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 1:12 pm
No animal deserves to be treated in such a horrible way, going Vegan is the best thing anyone can do.
If only people would understand how much these animals suffer so that they can have their bacon and eggs in the morning or their steak and potatoes for dinner!

Caitlin C (17)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 1:15 pm
Eww. Nothing should be treated so horribly. I grown my own meat/eggs/milk (chicken, eggs, rabbit meat, goat milk, goat meat) The chickens are kept in a big yard, the goats in a yard inside the chicken yard, and the rabbits in a big cage.

Lyne F (93)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 1:28 pm
I would like to see big Chains all go for a roll in the mud, and stay there!

Kate Kenner (215)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 1:42 pm
In answer to the question in the headline I can only say hope so.

Ron M (52)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 1:57 pm
Hmmm, animal welfare in a slaughterhouse. Now there is a contradiction in terms if I ever heard one. There is no such thing, whether that be with pigs, cows, chickens, turkey's etc. etc.. The under cover videos keep popping up everywhere you look, meaning of course that so-called supervision od animal welfare is null and void in any of these places I mean, how in the world could there be, they are killing them no matter how you look at it. These are all mammals, just like you and me so invision this, if you would do as little as puncture yourself with say a needle, deliberate or accidental, what would you say? Oh, that felt great, let me do it again? True, these facilities exist only because of the consumer and their bloodthirst for meat just like the demand for anything else really. If you're counting on the humanity and civility of the meat market owners that as usual only look at their bottom line, together with their employees performing these horrendous tasks for the sake of having a job to do, you are seriously "dead" wrong in believing that myth. And most if not all legislators just look on as they see it as simply a part of the economy and can't be bothered with anything else that goes on in there.

My bottom line: If you want to stop the slaughter and associated suffering, stop eating all meat products. Trust me, the grocerie chains will survive, one way or another. It would even be better if one of them could be brave enough to stop selling meat in the first place. What a great pleasure shopping would be again! I would not have to bother myself anymore by thinking what took place when I look at all that meat and how it got there.

. (0)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 2:02 pm
Although there was no concrete evidence of abuse, these animals were in a slaughter house!

Shelly Peterson (213)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 2:06 pm
The animal cruelty has to stop....last week the original videos made it to every TV and Radio media in our Greater Seattle/& Western Washington Area, and posted on every kind of media you can think of!!!!.......GOOD! Exposeure for Change!!!

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 2:35 pm
This is horrible. Maybe we all should ban pork from our diets until they find a more humane way of doing things

Little Star (56)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 2:48 pm
Hope no one barbecued RIBS this weekend....

Irene Leggett (0)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 3:00 pm
No wonder certain states want to make it illegal to film the 'workings' of factory-farms, now we know what they've got to hide!! Just because its 'standard practice' doesn't make it right. Perhaps its time that CCTV was installed into all factory-farms so the public can see for themselves how the animals really are treated, waht's happened to compassion and moral ethics, oh silly me, those attributes don't earn the 'bully-boys' mega bucks.

Mike H (252)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 3:09 pm
Stop eating meat! This stops the cruelty

Shirley H (49)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 3:55 pm
Are you kidding ? That is horrible.
Shirley H.

silvia luque (3)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 3:58 pm
Don't be naive. I've been following investigations like this one for years, and you should know that 95% of the "farms" treat pigs in a very similar way to the one depicted in that video. The treatment to chicken and dairy cows is as bad too. If you eat animals you're eating torture, suffering and pain. DON'T EAT ANIMALS!! Get rid of your guilt!

James W (257)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 4:15 pm
I saw the video it shows who the real PIGS are!!

Shirley H (49)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 4:22 pm
Disgusting, as far as I am concerned.
Shirley H.

Marilyn K (50)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 4:29 pm
It is bad enough that we choose to kill animals for food when we can live healthier lives on plant food but we also choose to abuse them by not having strict animal abuse laws that are enacted and enforced.

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 4:52 pm
I have found that it is very easy to give up meat after viewing a few of these videos, in fact it is quite difficult to get it down . . . .

Jeanne J (55)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 4:56 pm
noted, Thanks for this post, genoveva, This cruel treatment of these lovely animals has to Stop, it is so upsetting...

Mary T (178)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 5:14 pm
Noted thanks Genoveva, Disgusting.

Michael Carney (217)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 5:58 pm
The only Pigs are these Grocery Store Chains, who make money on the abuse and slaughter of Animals...

Lisa Morris (52)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 6:21 pm
The negativity & stress these poor Animals are put through will
effect the meat & who eats it will be effected with toxins.
These Animals have no choice but there lives are taken &
no one conciders happy Animals~healthy meat~*
Not that I will be partacing as I have been a vegatarian for
23 years~* Signed & Shared~*

Anne K (139)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 6:54 pm
It should hurt the grocery chains, but unfortunately most people I know don't care. It's "just an animal" that "tastes good". Even the people I know who see videos like this and comment on the evils of the meat (dairy, egg, etc) industry keep on supporting abuse and cruelty with their consumer dollars rather than changing their eating habits and taking a stand against the abusers.

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 7:02 pm
I sure hope it hurts them. Noted, thanks Gonoveva.

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 7:03 pm
Whoops, sorry, I misspelled your name.

valda p (13)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 7:05 pm
Really sad to think some people get pleasure from being -cruel ,these animals die so humans have food ,surely the very least ,we can give them a quick and as painless a death as possible,all power to the 'The Whiselblowers"who expose these sick sadistic abusers,companys who buy meat products from these factory farms should inspect them and be satisfied they are up to very strict standards of care,being vegetarian ,I am horrified to think that some -eat baby animals such as lambs and pigs etc.

Valerie H (133)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 7:19 pm
My heart just bleeds for these poor animals...they are so horribly mistreated....may all of you abusers rot in hell !!!!!!!!!!!

Pamela C (75)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 7:26 pm
They can take their excuses and shove them up their pork butts. And us? We need to stop eating meat. Whether you eat meat or not, now is the time to stop and hit corporate where it hurts: take away their profits.

Alia O (21)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 10:49 pm
In my dreams I dream for a compassionate world where there is no suffering. If my life I choose not to contribute to the brutality forced upon these helpless animals. I really do hope change is on the way and these nightmares called factory farms will come to an end.

Deborah R (4)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 10:58 pm
As vegans we save lives every day and starve the corporate abusers :)

Michelle E (22)
Sunday July 3, 2011, 11:57 pm
sadly noted

Diane L (110)
Monday July 4, 2011, 1:17 am
No, Catherine, being vegan is NOT the answer, since it's never going to happen that the entire country, let alone the entire world will be vegan, or even vegetarian. What needs to be done is enforce the laws already on the books regarding animal cruelty and abuse and legislate even stricter ones.

BTW, I HAVE seen the video and Kroger and Safeway have BOTH stated absolutely that they will not buy pork from this producer. Costco is "on the fence" and says it's not sure about boycotting but is investigating and "considering" that move as well.

Diane L (110)
Monday July 4, 2011, 1:23 am
Care.2 has been having issues, so didn't want to post anything lengthy, but for those who are vegan or vegetarian, that's your choice and I have no issue with your choices, but please respect mine in that while I am NOT vegan, nor vegetarian, I am 100% against factory farming and feel tht we can and SHOULD address that issue by legislation, not by advocating a dietary choice which may not be for everyone. Small family farms and humanely raised animals can still be a choice for those that want to not contribute to animal abuse and cruelty, and they do exist if one does their homework. More can be accomplished by changing laws and/or enforcing those already on the books than for the few that simply stop patronizing chain grocery stores.

james S (61)
Monday July 4, 2011, 2:28 am
I would absolutely love to see everyone become vegan - imagine what our world be like? How much more peaceful it would be? How much better off future generations of our families would be? This is undeniable; however, realistically, such a change would take a while. PLEASE know where your food comes from and source as humane as you can - we all love animals here, it's the least we can do for the unbelievable hell they are put through. BTW - there will come a time when the destruction to animals, humans and the planet will be so overwhelming that a change to vegetarianism will be inevitable - unless it's already too late and we're on a quick path to that. Want a scary example? Read the comments in the Des Moines register in regards to the article about the most recent example of our barbaric nature - people just think it's all well and good and that is so far from an isolated incident and reaction - it's massive, so widespread it's downright scary and shameful. And what will the children of people like this think? Most likely the same. When will it stop?

james S (61)
Monday July 4, 2011, 2:30 am
I'll find the link

Brenda Towers (0)
Monday July 4, 2011, 2:52 am
Noted. I hope so too!

Diane L (110)
Monday July 4, 2011, 3:15 am
I know you do, James, and we've discussed the topic "privately" a few times and hopefully, we respect each others's choices, so no need to expand on that. All I can say is that while I'm not either a rancher or a farmer as far as raising any animals for human consumption, I do think it can be done far diffently than it's done now for the most part, and facts are that if there were NO animals raised for human consumption of any kind, many people would become very sick. I'm not one of them, I don't think, but then I don't have any intention of finding out the "hard way".

Many of the videos that are shown in sites "such as" this one are edited and meant to disgust and shock, but let's face it, this one was shown all over the country on national TV, and I think that if it was not legitimate, there will be a lot of very embarrassed people, so ypes, it seems VERY legit. What got to me the most was the owner of this producer saying that while he can't "explain" or "condone" the "piglet tossing", he can't comment on the rest of it. Why NOT? What else is there to say but that it was disgusting and barbaric? There cannot be any logical reason to keep sows in those horrid conditions, or to explain the injuries on those animals, period!

Lynne Buckley (0)
Monday July 4, 2011, 4:00 am
I'm a vegetarian, but the rest of my family aren't. It's a personal choice. However, I don't think there is anything wrong in people being shown the possible 'reality' of where their dinner is coming from and how it has been treated before it gets there. Some farmers treat animals abysmally and get away with it. It's wrong. There's no excuses for it. If you want to eat meat then make sure the stores that stock meat use farmers treat the animals responsibly and with respect. We all want to be treated with respect and humanely. Let's extend that to every living being.

Past Member (0)
Monday July 4, 2011, 4:12 am
All animals need to be treated with respect, factory farms are a huge problem and need to be shut down.

Yvonne F (181)
Monday July 4, 2011, 8:02 am
This has to be stopped once and for all! How can people be so heartless to treat animals like this? Think of living a life in a little cage! One day of that treatment is one day too many. It has to stop. If all people stop buying products from those horrible farms, it wouldn't exist a day more.

Trequl M (170)
Monday July 4, 2011, 8:20 am
Noted with thanks.

Lindsey Williams (234)
Monday July 4, 2011, 8:21 am
Noted, thank you for sharing Genoveva.

Shirley S (0)
Monday July 4, 2011, 8:25 am
I hope so. Fight Animal Cruelty & Abuse at the CASH REGISTER. It's all that is understood, it's all that will assist change. It's the only kind of persuasion that is understood. CRUELTY DOES NOT SELL!

Penelope Ryan (178)
Monday July 4, 2011, 8:59 am
If people would stop eating pork they might listen.

Karen B (8)
Monday July 4, 2011, 10:04 am

. (0)
Monday July 4, 2011, 10:06 am
Again and again I find myself saying, "Let it be done to them."

Karma seems to be the proper answer.

But let me off this wheel!

Doesn't work that way.

We are forgiven as we the same degree and that is karma.

And part of me yells, "I don't give a dang! Let them suffer as they make others suffer."


Michelle S (462)
Monday July 4, 2011, 12:15 pm
Sorry to hose down the fireworks (pun intended......Happy 4th!), but not enough people are willing to stop eating beef, pork and lamb to give a damn. Food is cultural. Consciousness of animal suffering is burgeoning, but in its infancy. Most countries around the world consider cows and pigs a staple food item, not beings with consciousness who suffer.

One only need look at the fast food industry to witness the stranglehold the beef and pork industries have on stomachs worldwide. As for seeing pictures of the cruelty in order to change minds and hearts, again....good luck. Compassion has to be deeply engrained within a society and culture; there needs to be consistent follow through in how the media portrays images of animals and how families raise their children to think about sentient creatures. We have a long, long way to go.

Still, plant the seeds and watch consciousness grow. Any step is the right step in eradicating the suffering of others. Like Diane said above, it may take a millennia and beyond before mankind stops consuming animal flesh.....but we can handle their deaths humanely and offer them dignity and respect until that very day comes.

TY! >^..^< Michelle

Susan Pernot (75)
Monday July 4, 2011, 12:29 pm
the factory farms, battery casges etc must be eliminasted. It is cruel, inhumanme and unnecessary.

Beth M (138)
Monday July 4, 2011, 2:03 pm

janet f (29)
Monday July 4, 2011, 3:50 pm
This story ended up in Time? Perhaps mainstream news outlets are starting to take the abuse of animals on factory farms seriously...finally.

T. A. H (39)
Monday July 4, 2011, 6:11 pm
I believe Americans suffer from willful ignorance, abetted by the food industry, when it comes to the food on our tables. I've chosen to be a vegetarian due to just such practices, which are certainly not limited to this one pork supplier. I'm working toward vegan, but it's hard. I'll continue to be very aware of what I'm eating and drinking and reflect on where/whom it came from.

Christopher Fowler (82)
Monday July 4, 2011, 8:55 pm
Since the clip in question is "conveniently" not in the article, I can only make the guess that it is just another, in the decades-long series of stage/fabricated/heavily edited videos showing abuse that is as likely to not exist is it is to exist.

Lies and faked videos NEVER serve the truth, but as George Orwell wrote in his book "1984", 999 lies make one truth. Glen Beck would be proud of you all.

Hugh Mcintyre (5)
Monday July 4, 2011, 11:57 pm
poor pigs :-(

Diane L (110)
Monday July 4, 2011, 11:58 pm
Christopher, you and I often agree that the PeTA videos have been edited or were taken decades ago and at a different site than claimed, and question pyet others,but this one is not "faked". It's been shown on every TV channel in the last couple of weeks, and there is no wayp that the "piglet tossing" could have been "faked" by any stretch of the imagination. Even Costco, who has not said they won't continue to use this source for their pork said it was "questionable" and "unnecessary" and that they are investigating. If it wasn't real, then I highly doubt a retailer like Safeway would say they no longer will buy pork from them, since Safeway and Walmart are probably at the "bottom of the heap" when it comes to providing high-quality, humanely-raised, and healthy choices for everyone, vs. cheap factory-farmed ones.

I also question a video if it's ONLY posted on the internet, in a site like this one by one animal "rights" group, but in this case, just seems far too mainstream, and if there is even ONE shred of possibility that it's for real, I applaud Kroger and Safeway and hope that Costco's influence will also bring more details to the public eye and hopefully, see that these despicable practices are STOPPED!

I for one, while I do like pork, won't buy it anywhere now except at my local butcher's, where it's obtained from his OWN animals or those that he does "custom slaughtering" for that he knows are up to his standards....humanely raised, free range, grass-fed, no antibiotics, no hormones and he won't settle for anything else, no matter what the customer is willing to pay him for his "services".

Elsie Au (259)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 4:26 am
People should know where their "food" come from. Ignorance dose not stop the suffering these animals have to endure. And yes, I hope the video hurt the major grocery chain. No animals should be treated like this.

Linda M (1748)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 4:44 am
Noted, thank you.

james S (61)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 10:14 am
Still talk about fake videos - so sad and pathetic. People - this stuff is widespread, it's the norm. Don't know if it's guilt or what but come on now. Sure, some have been edited, but doesn't change the fact that this is the norm. I'm going to post the link to the comments from the Des Moines register. As disgusting as they are, at least people are not claiming fake and all that - they're admitting it's standard and supporting it! In a sad way, respect that so much more than people who cry fake every time this comes out. They're so fake that 4 states wanted ag-gag bills, you know, because they don't want people to see all the "humane treatment" Christopher - I tried to apologize for insulting you last time, but you blocked me and I understand. I'm sorry - it was me who was the coward and moron for insulting you through the internet.

james S (61)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 10:21 am
Dianne - I think you missed my point and also, factory farms absolutely dominate. Massive, massive torture, everywhere, all day. So damn pathetic and unbelievable. Yes, some places actually take care of animals before they kill them when they want to live, all for a product we clearly don't need, but what's that, 1% of farming? Yes, I understand, one step at a time. Yes, I understand it can be very difficult for people to move out of comfort zones, but let's get real - vegans thriving, even world class athletes. Eating animals is a want and I just wish people would be more straight up about that. In the meantime, please source from humane farms.

james S (61)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 10:24 am
Christopher - I do sincerely apologize, my anger about the animals, combined with your denial... but I'm really thinking that you're denying these for shock value or for some other reason. Your too intelligent to deny this. Let me know if you want the footage. I'll send it to you and a lot more from MFA. What do you think about the convictions from the "fake" e-6 video?

Danica R (0)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 10:36 am

Latonya W (82)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 2:36 pm
so sad.....I keep picturing one day all the animals getting together and taking what u do people cause everything comes back......

Ritva J (115)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 3:49 pm
Sadly noted.

Diane L (110)
Tuesday July 5, 2011, 11:36 pm
No, James, I didn't miss your point at all. I know that you and I have disagreed in he past on whether or not anyone can be justified in eating meat. You don't think they can, and I do, PROVIDING they do NOT support factory farming and know where the products come from that THEY buy. I do, and I will not buy my meat from anywhere but my local butcher who raises his own animals or does custom slaughter for those that he can absolutely, positively state have been raised ethically, humanely, naturally, fed naturally and without any chemicals, anti-biotics or hormones.

Yes, it's too bad that Christopher doubts this video's authenticity simply because it isn't being shown on this site via a link, but Christopher, trust me, it HAS been shown everywhere else........even on Nightline.

Lin Penrose (92)
Wednesday July 6, 2011, 2:49 pm
Thanks Genoveva, sorry to be reading so late. The only thing that consoles me about the way humans treat other animals is that we humans would Also be treated in the same way if our flesh was commercialized for food. Of course, our flesh is already commercialized to satisfy other hungers. Most of them inhumane (?), unhealthy and bordering on insane or at least, obsessed with those hungers. I don't think I need to write out examples.

As long as there is a Market (buyers/users) for pigs or any other product, truly awful actions by we humans will continue in the name of the One God that rules this world falsely and destructively.

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 9, 2011, 11:00 pm
Christopher Fowler, I think the hat you have on in your profile picture is way too tight and is cutting off the blood circulation to your brain. You attempt to leave these nuggets of wisdom, and all they are, are nuggets of sh*t. Pull your head out of your a**, and stop leaving your troll trail all over our animal welfare issues.
Please relegate your comments to the politics section and leave us animal rights "nuts," as you call us, alone! You're right, lies never serve the truth, and you Sir, are one big liar. Turn 999 upside down and it becomes 666.

James W (257)
Saturday July 9, 2011, 11:09 pm
NICE ONE ANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beth M (46)
Saturday July 9, 2011, 11:25 pm
..I would rather eat something that hasnt been treated cruely..I found an ethical butchers..quite far shall investigate. As a consumer I believe if we dont buy it..they wont sell it. Coles and Woolworths wont be getting our money for the meat we choose to eat. Will it bother them?..I dont know..but Im hearing much more out on the street about our appaling treatment of beasts pre abattoire. Extremist views I tend to ignore and hope that soon we find away that suits all...thanks..x

Diane L (110)
Sunday July 10, 2011, 12:31 am
Well said, Beth, and I agree with you 100%. All we can do is do the best we can ourselves and TRY to educate others. My grandaughter-in-law, as an example, showed me an "Ad" for a sale going on at a major grocery chain. She thought they had some good "deals". First of all, they weren't, and secondly, I explained to her that I DO NOT buy eggs from chain grocers, nor meat. She said, "yeah, I know, BUT"......IT was the BUT that "got to me". She refuses to listen, so what more can I do?

I think that if we do as you suggest, do NOT patronize these places, it will make a difference. It apparently has "struck a nerve" with Kroger and Safeway as to this particular case of abuse and this supplier. Maybe if they see how much more busness local butchers are getting, they'll do what they've always done.......COMPETE, and that means with quality, and where it comes from. Another example.......I passed my local butcher's last night and he had a sign out that said, "Locally raised LEAN Hamberger.....$2.29/lb". He raises his own cattle, BTW. Safeway has it on sale for $2.99/lb. Want to know the quality of what they sell? Why should I pay 70-cents a pound MORE for garbage?

Beth M (46)
Sunday July 10, 2011, 12:40 am
...hey Diane..oh and thanks..and yes..if maybe somehow we can get the meat industry to realise they r gonna lose money if they dont force a huge clean up in this area, then they will get on board and help push for changes. Once the world accepts that animals have rights then maybe it wont be so hard to push for human rights too. I know there is a hard core group of souls who r rampant about not eating animals...and I too would like to be able to thrive meat free..but I yes..we do the best we can...and maybe together we can get somewhere...coz any place is better...Keep on keeping on...:)...x
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