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Syria: Step Up and Protect Your Children - DO NOT SIGN THIS PETITION!!!!!!!!!


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Vivien
- 652 days ago - thepetitionsite.com
This petition is very questionable for a number of reasons. "I CALL ON CARE2 TO ISSUE THE SOURCE OF THEIR INFORMATION Rebels making children carry weapons and participate in attack missions are just as horrendous as rogue military attacks on civilians"



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Cheryl O. (82)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 5:19 am
Especially because the SO called rebels are the ones standing for their rights. It's like here in the US and around the WORLD how they call the 911 truth movement and it's followers TERRORIST, just like Occupy are now considered the TERRORIST or anti government radicals. NOW WE ARE JUST PISSED OFF our rights are being hijacked. So yes I do see exactly what your are pointing out. TY vivien
 

Ben Oscarsito (337)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 5:26 am
13,682 have signed the petition. And, I have to admit; -I signed it yesterday...without reading it first, I should have of course! Wish I could delete my signature, but that's not possible, is it?
 

Vivien Green (150)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 5:42 am
What the hell is Care2 doing to create a petition like this?
I also could not believe that it asks the following of a government Regime that is slaughtering children daily:

"As fighting intensifies in Syria, the government needs to put their foot down on civilian attacks and punish those who make children pawns in battle"
What evidence do they have that the FSA are forcing children to fight?

The Assad regime are daily slaughtering children there is plenty of evidence of this. They are saying that Assad lacks military control and it is rogue military attacks (implying that Assad is not responsible) that are responsible for the carnage
This petition is asking a government that allows the slaughter of children to put their foot down on people who make pawns of children in their battle ????????? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT ASSAD'S GOVERNMENT IS DOING.
What exactly do Care2 think that the Assad regime is doing have they not read the facts?
 

John S. (303)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 6:04 am
Maybe we need a petition for more scrupulous petitions on Care2.
 

alicia m. (100)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 6:44 am
sorry vivien, I've signed (on 2nd dec) because I read about the bomb at the park, 10 children dead and payed no more attention
 

Michael Barth (43)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 7:04 am
Noted.
 

Vivien Green (150)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 7:14 am
Ben and Alicia it happens we just read so far and we then sign.
However you can have your name removed on the petition, the sponsor's name, which is a link to his/her email.
You need to write that person, saying that you'd like your name removed. It is their responsibility to do so.
I wuld ask anybody who has signed this in error to do this p;ease.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 7:55 am
Thanks Viv, you are quite right, the petition is extremely badly worded, and I am appalled that Care2 has let this go out in their name.

I did not sign it at the time I received the notification about it because I wasn't happy with the wording.
I should have written to them about it, but what with one thing and another, I didn't. I'm glad that you have drawn people's attention to it, and I hope that they will either edit or remove it soon.

As you pointed out, it is ludicrous to call on the Assad regime to punish 'those responsible', when most observers blame them for most of the anti-civilian violence.
As for the allegations against the rebels made in the petition, that they are forcing children into combat - it is irresponsible journalism not to cite a source for an allegation as serious as this.
One does not expect this from Care2.

All that was needed here was a petition calling on both sides to take care of the children of Syria, and I'm sure that most of the 14000 plus who signed this thought that's what they were signing.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 8:59 am
Signed, thank you!
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 9:03 am
Sorry..I signed it some time ago because I've read about explosions.... 14,244 - so many people already signed it ....
 

Vivien Green (150)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 10:28 am
this petition started on 1st December 2012 and by today 4th December already has 14,441 signatures.
What really amazes me that so many people in 4 days have signed this without question.
CARE2 YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR FACTS AND PUBLISH YOUR SOURCE!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Vivien Green (150)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 10:53 am
O.K so doing my own investigation and will play Devils advocate.
Found this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/syrian-child-soldiers-rebels_n_2210427.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9711971/Syria-using-child-soldiers-as-young-as-14.html
http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2012/11/10/stop-the-use-of-child-soldiers-by-the-syrian-rebels/
 

alicia m. (100)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 12:58 am
after thinking, and because the petition is addressed to UN Human Rights Council I've decided mantain my signature, children must be away from war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thank you vivien for such a great work
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 1:51 am
Not signing
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 1:55 am
I am right behind you on this Vivien If care2 want to kick me out so be it I have not signed !!!
 

Roger M. (0)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 3:17 am
Good advice. Thanks.
 

Vivien Green (150)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 3:50 am
Alicia nobody wants children caught up in war.
Consider this Why did the Assad government not offer safe passage for children? His government is allowing children to be slaughtered and others left orphaned.
My bone of contention is this "where is the evidence that Syrian rebels are forcing children to fight?
The three links above that I posted are the only articles I could find saying anything about children being with the rebels.
Also asking a government who is responsible for the deaths of so many children to put their foot down on the people who are using children as pawns is an oxymoron.
 

Helen D. (0)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 5:24 am
Wow, what a petition!! and what a shame that anyone would even consider this utter rubbish. I have been working as an activist for the Syrian revolution and find this petition very hurtful!! The Syrian people are in NO WAY using children in the FSA, a few pictures of children holding a gun after their parents have been massacred, wrong I agree, but in no way means children are being involved in ANY WAY in the FSA's fight for freedom!! This is a great mistake, and I will be rallying today to make sure that this petition is removed. It's completely wrong information, and sadly gives an impression to the world that only Bashar's murderous Regime could possibly benefit from, Info from the Regime????? Possible in my opinion, and us activists DEMAND an explanation!!!!!
 

Helen D. (0)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 5:29 am
A petition to stop Bashar's daily massacre of children would be much more appropriate, snipers shooting children even trying to escape the non-stop bombardment of civilian areas, Assads bombardment of refugee camps a few days ago..a petition about that?? Children dying of the cold in the refugee camps in Jordan, 5 so far!! a petition about that??? This is unacceptable in my opinion, and must be stopped. I had respect for this organization, but thy need to get their facts right,and there are so many petitions that should be created, THIS ISN'T ONE OF THEM!!
 

Ben Oscarsito (337)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 6:09 am
I had my signature removed...
 

Vivien Green (150)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 8:34 am
Thank you so much Ben!!
 

Vivien Green (150)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 11:57 am
Please sign this counter petition
Stop this petition full of lies and distortion!!!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/515/088/858/stop-this-petition-full-of-lies-and-distortion/#sign
 

Claire Kerker (1)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 4:22 pm
Hello. The petition in question has now been clarified and contains sources. Thank you for drawing this to our attention!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 5, 2012, 11:09 pm
Thank you for clarifying that, Claire. I presume that you are Care2 staff?

Although it is good that the petition has been amended, and a link to the source of the one story added, surely the petition should state clearly that it has been amended, and in what way?

Thousands have signed, and it cannot be right to change something that has been signed, without explanation.


I have just posted about the amendments on Vivien's other story about this, here is a link to that:


http://www.care2.com/news/member/261547992/3496134
 

Bob Oort (26)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 2:52 am
This petition should be taken off the net. It is poorly written and the news source was taken at face value, if it was read at all. How this petition came to be "Sponsored by Care2" is a question only Care2 and the writer can answer and so they should. To send any petition on the net about any issue, and particularly one where thousands of lives could be detrimentally affected, without substantial evidence is plain irresponsible. In an incident such as this as a result of a politically motivated war, the truth is hard to pin down. The obvious is that too many people in and outside Syria have vested interests in this war and it needs to be questioned and answered what this war is really all about.

There are plenty of justifiable speculations, but guesswork and irrational responses should not take place. A petition demanding an end to this war addressed to the UN and NATO would have been better placed than seeking the safety of children in a war zone where no party cares who or what dies in the process. This petition condones the legitimacy of this bloody war and every other war. Having said this, neither the UN nor NATO can be expected to do anything about it. Perhaps the UNHRC should for once step up its pressure on the UN and tell them to come clean on their 1948 declaration and act instead of writing nice words on pretty pieces of paper. Whatever, this petition has to go and disappear out of sight as if it never existed, now, not later.

Bob Oort,
Admin. VOICES FOR CHANGE
 

Vivien Green (150)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 4:16 am
Thank you Bob well said the only thing I disagree with is that neither side care. The FSA are fighting the military and do care about the men women and children that are either dying dead or injured.
The Syrian Government on the other hand don't give a damn about who gets killed. They are slaughtering their own people.
 

Vivien Green (150)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 8:21 am
I have created a petition on

THE ETHICS OF ALTERING A PETITION WITHOUT ACKNOWLEDGING IT.
Thank you Zen for drwing our attention to this matter.

Please see the news article I have created with a link to the petition (sorry you have to copy and paste)

http://www.care2.com/news/member/261547992/3496667
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Friday December 7, 2012, 7:11 am
signatures: 0
deadline: ongoing
signature goal: 20,000

I see that C2 has removed ALL signatures. I assume your outcry has worked. Petition is still open from what I can see, so read before signing anything. But.....no one should be able to change the wording once petition has been signed unless signators have been notified.
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Friday December 7, 2012, 8:31 am
Now the signatures are back. WTf.....is going on? I left this information on another thread of it being 0 someone said it had signatures. I give up. Sorry if I caused any confusion, but I know what I saw is why I copied it above.
 

Jim Phillips (3209)
Friday December 7, 2012, 8:43 am
When someone or an organization places, puts a petition in C2, the petition should be "LOCKED" in its original wording. In that way of locking it, the petition cannot be changed nor altered once it goes public to be read and, if so desired with approval of signer, signed.

Care2 must find a way to do this immediately. Locking the petitions! There is too much at stake here for all concerned in matters of petitions and integrity.
.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 7, 2012, 9:49 am
Hi Dandelion, I also get that a lot. Then when I refresh the page, the signatures reappear, it's very annoying.

I agree, Jim. In this case it was Care2's own petition - and they should never have changed it without stating so on the petition itself. I'm sure it's easy enough to lock down petitions after they are posted - if Care2 wanted to do so, but they say they do not interfere in activist petitions.
 

Vivien Green (150)
Friday December 7, 2012, 10:41 am
No body not even the sponsor should be able to alter a petition once people start signing it.
It is easy to make mistakes when creating a petition. Maybe petitions should not go live for an hour or so to make allowances for corrections after that lock down.
at present any sponsor can alter a petition at any time once it has been created.
 

Yvonne F. (172)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 12:33 am
Alrady signed, but now noted as well!!! Congratulation to the fronpage, Vivien. Let's hope this one gets there too!!!
 

Mariette G. (150)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 4:24 am
Thanks Zen and Vivien for bringing this to our attention. What is going on in Care2? How are we suppose to know what to sign and what not. Care2 should do something about this like in yesterday! Luckily I haven't signed this one. Will be much more cautious from now on.
 

Val R. (242)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 7:25 am
thanks Vivien - I think we atttempt top sign as many petitions as we can and many times don't have the time to read the whole thing - I am still in a quanry what I am going to do from now on-
 

Erin R. (169)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 9:24 pm
Thank you, Vivien!
 

alicia m. (100)
Thursday December 13, 2012, 11:42 pm
of course nobody wants children put at risk at war but I don't tell the contrary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and still believe that children are first, beyond politics, lies, business, etc...
 

Suzanna van der Voort (271)
Saturday March 30, 2013, 6:38 am
I signed too but I have send a request to Care2.com to remove my signature immediately.
Thanks Vivien.
 
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