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Should Charlie the AmStaff Be Put Down for Injuring a Horse? | Dogster


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Dianne Ly
- 769 days ago - dogster.com
Here's yet another story about a Pit Bull-type dog facing euthanasia because of exaggerated fear over a breed.



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Amir Sardashty (17)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 3:21 pm
evrybody make mistake, you don't take human life, why should you take a dog life for it
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 3:27 pm
PETITION TO SAVE CHARLIE
 

Milkah Savage (277)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 6:59 pm
First of... Im sorry a Police Office got hurt and the horse was injured. Now second..Charlie did not set out to spook the horse nor injury him. Many, Many, Many dogs who are not familiar with horses act the same way Charlie did. It was an accident and it's lifee, those happen. To kill Charlie over an accident just appears to be more of a "how dare you do this to a polie officer and his horse". There is NO evidence that this was anything more than an accident.
Thanks Dianne...Oh and gladly signed
 

. (0)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 7:08 pm
Signed petition, thanks!
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 7:38 pm
ty
 

Dogan Ozkan (5)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 9:58 pm
noted and signed
 

Elizabeth O. (88)
Monday September 10, 2012, 1:08 am
Signed.
 

Harshiita Sharma (138)
Monday September 10, 2012, 7:20 am
Human beings are so hypocrite. Sadistic and sick people hurt animals, torture them, rape them for mere fun!!! And noone "puts them down" and here a poor dog has hurt a horse and they want to put him down! For what reason may i ask?? everyone makes mistakes in their lives!! I mean i just can't comprehend the double standards that we humans employ! This makes me so angry at times! If one could ask that horse whether that Charlie should be put down for his "Crime" , i'm sure the horse would have forgiven him!
 

Florence Eaise (132)
Monday September 10, 2012, 11:31 am
poor poor Charlie i just pray they see reason in this case it was just an accidnt if Charlie were truly an agressive dog he would have done alot worse to the horse and the cop he just got spooked he never seen a horse before i here its common for a dog to react when faced with a creature theyve never seen before petition signed and shared thanks Dianne noted too
 

Constance F. (434)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 8:27 am
Ditto Milkah ! As unfortunate as this is, this can happen ! Some dogs will chase and bark or bite at horses, and that's why it's imperitive as caretakers of dogs to be aware when walking trails or areas where horses or wildlife can be present. And sometimes a horse will kick a dog even if the dog is not doing anything but standing behind them. That almost happened to one of my dogs, and it's doubtful anyone would put the horse down for kicking a dog in the head for standing close to the horse. And as Harshita so aptly pointed out we don't euthanize people who willingly and happily torture animals. This always comes down to other species not being recognized as having equal value and humane rights, and as long as that is the predominant perspective, other species will suffer gross injustice.
 

Ali murphy (1)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 11:40 am
no he should not be put down, poor Charlie it wasn't his fault, im sorry the horse was hurt!! accidents happen. fine the owner if anything, don't punish the dog!! signing n sharing!!
 

janet f. (28)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 12:31 pm
I hope he gets a second chance.
 

Christeen Anderson (510)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 12:31 pm
Please help save Charlie.
 

LMj Sunshine (134)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 12:36 pm
TY
 

Tom Sullivan (98)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 12:38 pm
It is all about the doggies!!!!!!!
 

Margery Coffey (8)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 12:39 pm
Killing is not a solution. We are so quick to kill so slow to heal.
 

Karen B. (8)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 12:40 pm
SAVE CHARLIE.!!!!! IT IS NOT HIS FAULT, HE WAS SCARED AND RIGHTFULLY SO, CHARLIE IS A VERY SMART DOG, YOU CAN TELL JUST BY LOOKING AT HIM.!!!!! HE THOUGHT HE WAS PROTECTING HIS SELF AND MAYBE HIS FAMILY, THE ONLY WAY AN ANIMAL CAN.!!!!!! WHERE WERE HIS OWNERS, THEY HAVE SOME LIABILITY IN THIS. I SWEAR THE ANIMALS ARE SMARTER THAN THE PEOPLE INVOLVED. THE OFFICER INVOLVED, EVEN THOUGH HURT, SHOULD WANT CHARLIE SPARED. 2 WRONGS DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT. I WILL PRAY FOR CHARLIE, WHAT A CUTIE.!!!!!!!!!
 

Donna G. (38)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 12:46 pm
I read the article. It seems that a horse that is being used for patrol work must be conditioned to work around dogs if it is going to be used to patrol parks where dogs are allowed off leash. At the same time, if you are a dog owner and plan to take your dog to a park where an encounter with a horse may happen, then it is up to you to condition your dog to be in the same area as horses. After an incident like what happened with Charlie and the officer's horse, it will take even more work on the part of both the horse's handler as well as the dog's handler.
 

Susan Winkelman (0)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 2:06 pm
I think he deserves a second chance - please give his owner and him another chance....
 

Kye J. (41)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 2:34 pm
Petition signed.Do not kill Charlie it was not his fault
 

Maureen P. (0)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 2:34 pm
Most dog owners, myself included, don't expect to be confronted with park rangers on horses in an off-leash area. It is implicit that these areas are specifically for owners to exercise their dogs in a way they cannot when they are on the leash and as such horses should not be allowed in them. Charlie did what many other dogs would do when confronted by a large animal he has never seen. It was poor judgement on the part of the park service to patrol on horseback in that area. Now that the owner knows his dog's instincts regarding horses (and presumably cows and other large animals), I'm sure he won't put his dog at risk again. Let Charlie live!
 

Valerie W. (52)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 2:36 pm
Read & noted, thanks Dianne. This is really a very sad case & predicament for all involved. Yes, horses are technically "prey" animals, & dogs are "predators" but in this situation, both animals were "domestic", not wild. I feel very sorry for both Charlie & his owner about this terrible tragedy, one minute they're all happy & playing, the next minute a complete unexpected nightmare. I also, at the same time, feel very bad, even more so since there were injuries involved to both the poor horse & his rider. I don't think it should matter what breed of dog Charlie is, it could have happened with any dog, as stated. The fact of the matter is this, a police horse, just like a police canine partner, are police officers, & treated as such. Poor frightened(??) Charlie ran after & attacked the terrified horse, & caused injuries, as well as to the police officer rider. If the dog just chased, maybe the outcome would be different, but he attacked with intent, which could lead to further incidents. Charlie, regardless of his breed, can not be trusted any longer. Is he going to chase & attack everything new or that scares him? He should at least be put in quarantine, & if allowed to live, the owner should pay all damages & incurred expenses, as well as being confined to home, &/or, to a dog run/kennel. I would really like all involved to be given a second chance, & intense obedience training. A horse, no matter how well trained, or "bomb-proofed", will not just stand there & allow itself to be bitten & attacked, they are fight or flight animals. Charlie is adorable, & if he were mine, I'd want another chance. But, I also love horses, & you have to look at both sides, if I owned that horse, I'd feel a lot worse & would want someone to pay.
 

Dianne D. (460)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 2:47 pm
This isn't Charlies fault, the owner needs more training on how to control a dog. The owner needs to pay for all damage done to the horse and human and needs to go to dog training class. This is a good example of why you need to take out extra insurance if you allow you animals (dogs and cats) to run loose. If they cause any damage to another soul or property, then you become liable for their actions. When I first got a cat, I got several books on how t raise a cat and one of the first things the books all say is if you are going to let your cat roam the neighborhoods, you need to get extra insurance to cover the costs of a law suit if the animal should destroy property.
 

Ana Fontan (16)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 2:51 pm
The dog is not to blame, he does not deserve to be put down!
 

Gloria H. (88)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 3:22 pm
Not on FB, couldn't sign. It's a dog park! The horse was spooked. Horse in wrong place. A chiuahua would have reacted! Give the dog a second chance.
 

Fred Krohn (34)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 3:47 pm
Keep the dog, and leave California, a state that cannot appreciate pets. Stupid people...
 

Eliette B. (27)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 4:17 pm
UPDATE : http://www.dogster.com/the-scoop/charlie-dog-bit-police-horse-update
 

marie c. (168)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 5:01 pm
Noted happily signed and forwarded to facebook invited 14 friends Gladly agree with all comments
Can not send a green star to Milkah as you have done so within the last week
 

Nimue Pendragon (254)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 7:18 pm
Once again it's the human who is at fault. The cop should not have been riding his horse through an "off-leash" section of a dog park, I'm surprised more dogs didn't react. Don't kill the dog, it's not his fault.
 

Elaine Al Meqdad (227)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 11:14 pm
Noted! AND A BIG GIANT NOOOOOO!!! This dog should not be put down that is never the answer do we put our children down because one bit the other ? I don't think so and let's find out why!
 

Marianna Molnar Woods (9)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 2:45 am
DO NOT KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Leslene Dunn (75)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 2:50 am
Noted - if this dog gets put down then I have lost faith in mankind, then there is no hope for them. It was a blatant accident, of course dogs get spooked by horses. As much as I feel sorry for the horse, I feel just as much for the dog - what the hell do these bastards think that every animal is a criminal. They clearly don't have enough to keep them busy in the day - send them out hunting the bloody rapists and murderers instead of innocent animals.
 

Ruth S. (304)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 5:15 am
Animals have brains but no understanding of knowledge, Humans have knowledge but no brains, if they (Humans) did have brains they would not do all the horrible things that they do!!!
 

monka blank (81)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 1:57 pm
Charlie deserves to live, it was an unfortunate mistake. I'm sure the horse forgive him; accidents happen - that's no reason one must die. Please give Charlie a second chance !
 

Lydia D. (0)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 2:45 pm
My cat had to be neutered to stop his violent behavior towards anything but humans. His vet said the testosterone had to go. It did help. He also needed to learn about his effect on others. They do learn, just like people.
 

Diane L. (110)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 9:39 pm
Sorry, but as a horse owner and also a bit familiar with what the training of Police Horses go thru, I find it hard to believe that "barking" spooked the horse. The behavior of this dog was NOT typical of a dog who had just never seen a horse before. I had a lady bring a Pitbull here to see if we would make a good "match" for a foster, and when we took him outside to introduce him to my horses (he'd never seen horses before), yes, he barked and then whirled around and ran. He had no interest in "biting" the horses anywhere.

I'd also like to know why Charlie was even able to chase the horse in the first place. Seems his owner had no physical control over him. Why was he not on a leash........Oh, wait, it was an "off leash" part of a dog park, but what if it was a kid who "frightened" Charlie? If not leashed then, what about the next time he's in sight of some "prey"? No dog should be OFF LEASH in such a park if the owner has no control via any other means. I see all the sympathy here is for the dog, and none for the horse which sustained injuries, and easily COULD have been bitten severely enough to have had to be put down. Where is all that compassion from the animal lovers here for the HORSE? Tendon injuries can mean the end of his career, even the end of a useful life.
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 10:21 pm
From the article.......
Denny says dog attacks on police horses are very rare. There have been two in the past 10 years, and in both cases the offending dogs were not put down.
So the question is why does Charlie have to die because of a mistake,why not ban him from the park,make the owner pay for any costs involved,and let him live his life.?
 

Diane L. (110)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 11:49 pm
I didn't see any details of prior "assaults" so we can't compare. Maybe the two previous ones (and I can't find the statement in the article at all) were very minor, and the horses weren't injured. Maybe the dogs weren't potentially dangerous. Love it that in order to get everyone's emotions all riled up and the sympathy for the dog thing, they post this cutsie photo of Charlie as a small puppy sitting on the car hood. Who puts there dog on a car hood to take photos, anyway? Charlie doesn't look like that anymore. Maybe Charlie does deserve a 2nd chance. I'd give any animal a 2nd chance, but the conditions in which that is granted need to address the safety of anyone and everyone Charlie encounters. He now HAS shown aggression, so the fact he never did "before" is irrelevant. Every single time there is a story on the news of a Pit that has attacked and seriously injured somebody, the owner claims the dog never, EVER had shown any aggression "before".
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 12:35 am
I agree Charlie needs to be evaluated,but back to the title of the article"should Charlie be put down",and my answer is a NO!
Most of the time it is the pit bulls first time,and that is why myself and so many others are fighting to get rid of BSL.
And obvisouly Charlie's owners took the "cutsie"pics of him on the hood of the car.And I personally think he is pretty darn cute.I feel bad for the horse,but the issue is should Charlie die or not.If you or anyone else can find more info on this topic,please post it here,this article was all I could find on this.
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 12:39 am

Fight to get Charlie back and negotiate for restrictions. .





18%

1 friend voted



Accept the offer and place Charlie with a friend and have him tested by UC Davis .





1%

Continue with the Writ and appeal the decision, which could take months. .





46%

1 friend voted



Demand that Charlie be returned to his owner.
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 12:40 am
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Charlie/266252513441577
Charlie's facebook page
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 12:42 am
http://www.causes.com/causes/790698-help-save-charlie/actions/1682168
to do a vote
 

Diane L. (110)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 1:39 am
" obvisouly Charlie's owners took the "cutsie"pics of him on the hood of the car.And I personally think he is pretty darn cute.I feel bad for the horse,but the issue is should Charlie die or not."........Charlie probably wouldn't get much sympathy if the photos shown of him were with teeth bared and snarling, would they? To each, their own as to what makes a dog "cute" or not. Some people don't like BIG dogs, or black dogs, or ones with floppy ears, and on and on. That should not be a deciding factor as to what happens when the dog's future is questionable. Wonder if Charlie would be portrayed with such emotion if the horse's injuries had been photographed and those photos shown alongside the cutsie "puppy on the hood" photo? Ever doctor a horse with severe leg injuries?
 

Diane L. (110)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 1:45 am
"SAVE CHARLIE.!!!!! IT IS NOT HIS FAULT, HE WAS SCARED AND RIGHTFULLY SO, CHARLIE IS A VERY SMART DOG, YOU CAN TELL JUST BY LOOKING AT HIM.!!!!! HE THOUGHT HE WAS PROTECTING HIS SELF AND MAYBE HIS FAMILY".....Karen B., please read the article here. Yes, it is his fault. He was startled by the appearance of the horse, but he was not "scared". He ran after and attacked the horse AND the rider, neither of which was threatening either Charlie or his owner. They were not on their own property, so what was being protected? A well trained ATTACK/GUARD dog never attacks without provocation and under control of his/her handler on his/her own property. How on earth can you "tell" Charlie is smart just by looking at a photo of him? You are more of a "doggie GURU/whisperer" than Cesar Milan if you can so tell a dog's intelligence from a photo!
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:06 am
"I don't want anyone touching Charlie, and I want him placed back with his family since birth," Gizzarelli posted on the Help Save Charlie website. More than 11,000 people have signed the petition to save the dog.

His other options are to continue negotiations with Animal Control and Care for Charlie's return with restrictions, or to continue with the writ process, both of which could take months while Charlie remains in a city isolation kennel.

For more information, visit Charlie's Facebook page and the Help Save Charlie petition.
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:09 am
As a matter of fact as a registered nurse,I did 6 months of volunteering at a local vets office and have seen just about everythiung there is to see and taken care of many different cases from horses,cats,dogs,birds--you name it,I most likely seen it and delt with it.
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:14 am
for the petition more than11,000 people cannot be wrong,Diane why not make a petition of your own??Just a suggestion.....
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:16 am
petitions results as of 9/13
48 days left
13,659People signed the petition

25,000
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:19 am
RE-POSTING CHARLIE'S PETION TO SAVE HIM FROM DEATH
 

Kye J. (41)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:21 am
A dog barking can and DOES spook horses.Those that say otherwise have very little knowledge of horses and dog interactions.I see this frequently happen several times per week during my trips to my local beach which is frequented by dogs ,horses and camels. Dogs barking DO spook horses and camels.
An off leash dog park is just that OFF LEASH.Yes a dog park. What was the horse doing here?

Karen B I agree 100% with your excellent comment
"SAVE CHARLIE.!!!!! IT IS NOT HIS FAULT, HE WAS SCARED AND RIGHTFULLY SO, CHARLIE IS A VERY SMART DOG, YOU CAN TELL JUST BY LOOKING AT HIM.!!!!! HE THOUGHT HE WAS PROTECTING HIS SELF AND MAYBE HIS FAMILY"
 

Diane L. (110)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:26 am
Dianne, just because 11,000 people have signed proves NOTHING. People often sign whatever petition is available to be signed in Care.2, since they get points. Many don't bother to even read what they're about. It means nothing since after all, there are always two sides to everything,and because a certain number of people feel like "signing" whatever is available doesn't mean it's even a JUST cause, let alone that it makes them "right". There is no right or wrong here, merely opinions. Why on EARTH would I want to start a petition? What are you suggesting, that I even start one about? I disagree that this dog is "blameless" and some scapegoat. Just curious as to what the relevance is to your nurse's training or working at a local vet's office when it comes to using logic about the judgement of a questionably aggressive dog? Why no such emotion shown towards the dog's victim here? So WHAT if Charlie's owner pays the vet bill for this horse (and I bet it's considerable!)? That won't bring the horse back to soundness or prevent him from being put down because he has no "use" anymore. What do you think happens to old, useless police horses?
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:26 am
Thank you Kye,Agreed!!!
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:31 am
your comment was....Ever doctor a horse with severe leg injuries?
that is what my nursing relavance has to do with this,,,you ask the question and I answered...yes I have
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:32 am
And killing Chalie would solve what????
 

Diane L. (110)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:35 am
"A dog barking can and DOES spook horses.Those that say otherwise have very little knowledge of horses and dog interactions"........well, having had dogs my entire life and horses for well over 40 years, I think I can state otherwise. Barking dogs CAN spook many horses, but a Police Horse is specifically trained to be impervious to barking dogs, gunshots and other loud noises. The horse was there because it was a Police Horse, and a park where there are regular patrols.........geez, like Central Park in NYC has mounted police patrols on a regular basis. I guess a bicycle cop or patrol cars would have been more appropriate?
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:38 am
I just think the whole point of this article is being miised by you Diane,we (I) love all animals,the article is about if Charlie should die for what happened,and I would love to hear the other side of this story,there are always 2 sides to every story,you are correct about that.
 

Diane L. (110)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:40 am
"And killing Chalie would solve what????".........well, for one thing, he wouldn't ever chase and injure anything or anyone else. I also did not say he should be killed. He should not be returned to his present owner, who seems not capable of controlling him. Dianne, I respect your passion and caring for animals, but in this case, it seems very one-sided and not much shown for the side of the "victim" of this attack. THAT is a bit perplexing to me.
 

Diane L. (110)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:47 am
" I would love to hear the other side of this story,there are always 2 sides to every story,you are correct about that."........hmmm, so good journalism and posting such articles are logical when one doesn't know both sides to the situation? Little story here.......I once had a very beloved cat mauled to the point she had to be PTS because my son brought home an abandoned dog that had belonged to a friend. The dog was a wolf-hybrid. The dog killed my cat, but I had no hatred of the dog. I couldhave gone over the edge and demanded the dog be killed for what she did, but what she did was instinctive.........the dog was left in the house unattended (against my specific instructions to my son) and when my cat moved too quickly, the dog reacted and apparently grabbed her by the back and shook her, severing her spine. It wasn't the dog's fault, it was my son's. My gut instincts at first WERE to shoot the dog, but I didn't demand that. I DID demand he find a suitable home for the dog. The dog obviously was a cat killer, and needed to be re-homed where there were no cats and could be kept under control. Hope that makes sense to you, Dianne.
 

Kye J. (41)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:56 am
Charlie most definately should not be killed.Accidents happen and thats what it was an accident.Yes I feel sorry for the horse but killing Charlie is not going to solve this issue or turn the clock back.
This is all centered around breed discrimination.The stupid dumb cop should have his employment terminated for his obvious incompetence.He is the one to blame

Diane Lynn Elko, you are correct & your excellent article is about if Charlie should die for what happened.Of course he should most definately not be killed.Return Charlie to his family without further delay.Charlie has many suppporters backed up by the 11,000 signatures on the petition.Its nice to see that some of us are animal advocates and will fight for thier rights.
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 3:01 am
Well I do c2 news as it comes to me and I always try to up-date all of my news/petitions,sorry this was the only article available,I will be on the look out for an u-date or the other side of the story.And I am sorry for the loss of your cat,may she RIP,It does all make sense to me I do not believe Charlie should be killed over this.
 

Kye J. (41)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 3:03 am
13,668 signature now on the petition in support of Charlie and it is NOT a Care 2 petition and therefore signing it does not accrue points.People are signing it because they understand the situation and have true compassion for Charlie as it was not his fault
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 3:07 am
another article on this....
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/crime/2012/08/hearing-decide-fate-dog-sfpd-horse-incident?category=16
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 3:11 am
another article on this....
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2012/08/dog-who-attacked-police-horse-be-put-down
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 3:16 am
You cannot currently send a star to Kye because you have done so within the last week
 

Kye J. (41)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 3:20 am
Thanks very much Dianne Lynn Elko.
The article http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/crime/2012/08/hearing-decide-fate-dog-sfpd-horse-
supports that Charlie was not to blame
 

Diane L. (110)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 3:28 am
Thanks, Dianne. My point is that like you, I do care about all animals, and am actively involved, in addition to caring for my own brood of critters, with fostering and rescue. However, I also try to use some logic and common sense. I have a very large dog which is considered one of the "dangerous" breeds. She's a 110-lb. GSD, and she's black, so appears far more aggressive than she truly is. She's highly protective of me, my property and when she's in it, my car........they're HERS. She has a high "prey drive" and I have to constantly monitor her and control her when she's near my horses as she WILL try to control them. She has been kicked more than once, and also gone after a neighbor riding up the road on horse back. Oh, yeah, if one goes by the judgement of Kye, my neighbor would have been "at fault" for riding up our road. How is the cop at fault for being in the park he was assigned to patrol ON HORSEBACK? I wouldn't want my dog charged with biting someone, so I have taken the steps necessary to control her when she's outside. If she bites somebody, she WOULD be given the same considerations as a Pit.
 

Diane L. (110)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 3:35 am
Dianne, again, I respect you for your passion and caring, just don't agree with you on this situation. Been "nice" debating this scenario, but I do have critters to attend to, and it's time to feed again. Yes, by all means, if you find more information on this, I'd be interested in reading it. Interesting that people are so quick to jump on a bandwagon without knowing all the facts, but guess that's what makes the world go around and some in Care.2 feel like they have something to do and a cause to support. I understand that completely, but also want to be on the "logical" side of such causes. There are far more such causes to support than I have time to offer, and therefore I choose the ones I support carefully, not "willy nilly". I also find it embarrassing to support a cause that turns out to be unjust, such as a few which Care.2 members have "run with" which are based on picking up some news story........somewhere, and without researching the facts. Does the name "Lucky" mean anything? Care.2 once ran an article (WITH a petition) about a supposed abandoned dog left in a basement of a house. Turned out the dog was not abandoned. The owner was an elderly lady in the hospital, undergoing heart surgery. The family was caring for the dog and the dog was quite healthy and happy. The article as well as the petition were suddenly removed from Care.2 and I bet many people had "egg on their faces" after signing the petition.
 

Kye J. (41)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 3:41 am
Areas have deliniation points.Off leash means free to roam in that designated area.I am very familiar with these designated areas I frequent them all the time. What was the stupid cop doing here? Why wasn't he outside the boundary or riding a bike?America has a shocking global reputation and stupid policies and procedures for loving killing poor defenceless animals. No wonder the USA is in such a mess.
There is no such thing as a dangerous dog, only moronic humans
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 3:42 am
My coversation with this is over,my article it what it is--anyone else wanting to post another on this subject,please do.If you do not like my article please move onto one that is more to your likeing.I stand by Charkie NOT be killed for what happened,thank you to all who contibuted to the comments here.
 

iveta cer (70)
Thursday September 13, 2012, 2:38 pm
Sorry i can't sign i tried but i am not on FB .
 

carol k. (17)
Friday September 14, 2012, 3:53 pm
I owned a registered quarter horse and a rescued small poodle Maltese mix - she got hair cut that made her look like a schnauzer, she ran barking at my horse excitedly - she had never seen a horse before, the horse spooked and kicked her. she went tumbling and got a broken leg - we took her to our vet and she got a cast. both horse,dog and rider were okay . This dog should not be put down for being curious and even perhaps scared and went into protection mode. man is to quick to judge unjustly, being ignorant & prejudice, and to quick to kill as the only option to a concern.
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Friday September 14, 2012, 8:17 pm
http://www.examiner.com/article/san-francisco-trying-to-kill-a-family-pet?CID=examiner_alerts_article

new article on Charlie
 

Diane L. (110)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 2:52 am
Carol K., what difference does it make what breed of dog you had, or what the haircut made her look like? She chased the horse and SHE got kicked. That is the usual result of what happens, but that's not the issue here. The issue HERE is that a trained POLICE horse was chased and repeatedly bitten to the extent he had serious injuries. Some dogs will chase horses and any other livestock because it's their instinct. Some dogs have higher "prey drive" than others, and I own such a breed......a GSD. She's been kicked and she still hasn't learned her lesson. Some dogs don't, but even a dog with a high prey drive doesn't normally attack and repeatedly BITE a horse, especially to this extent. They might nip and try to get the horse to move where it (the dog) thinks the horse should be, and my dog barks and tries to control all 3 of my horses everytime she sees them move, but she also does so ONLY to the extent she feels they need to be controlled, not to the extent of injuring them. When the horse ignores the dog, the dog usually backs off. A well-aimed hoof usually also does the trick. In this case, that didn't happen, so saying that Charlie was just exercising "normal" protective mode or was frightened at seeing the horse in the first place just doesn't "compute". This horse wasn't a green horse not ever exposed to barking dogs.
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 4:02 am
You know what Diane,I find myself doing search after search to an up-date or other side to this story,when it just dawned on me you are THE only one here that wants another side,so you find it,you tell us why Charlie SHOULD die???
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 4:02 am
We told you two weeks ago about Charlie, the American Staffordshire terrier who chased and attacked a U.S. Park Police horse in Crissy Field on August 6, and has since been ordered to be put down by Animal Care and Control. Charlie's owner, David Gizzarelli, has been trying to appeal the decision, and thus far Charlie remains alive in a shelter kennel. Today we learn that Animal Care has made an offer to Gizzarelli to place Charlie in someone else's home while he gets tested at UC Davis.

What happened was this: Gizzarelli had taken Charlie to the off-leash area and lost control of the dog when it ran up to a U.S. Park Policeman on a horse patrol. The dog had never seen a horse before, and proceeded to bite the horse on the stomach and lock onto the horse's rear leg, damaging a tendon. The horse reared up and threw the officer off, and then gave chase around the nearby stable. Gizzarelli was not able to regain control of the dog through any of this, and ultimately Animal Care and Control showed up and reined in the dog after Charlie had already been kicked by the horse and retreated.

Some advocates are encouraging Gizzarelli not to accept the deal and to continue arguing with Animal Care over his fate. Gizzarelli said in a hearing on August 23 that he felt that horses have no place making patrols near an off-leash area. "They’re putting farm animals together with domesticated animals," he said. "Any dog, not just a Pit Bull, not just Charlie or my dog, could have chased after that horse, could have caused a problem."

There's now a Help Save Charlie Facebook page and a petition here that's already been signed by over 8,000 people as the story of Charlie has spread beyond San Francisco. It's also caught the attention of Dogster, a website for dog-lovers, which has already gotten over 100 comments on the story — most of which are hoping Charlie doesn't have to be euthanized.

We're a little surprised at the outpouring, given what we thought was a general prejudice against pit bulls and the like, but we suppose the dog does at least deserve another chance if it didn't have a history of aggressive behavior toward any other animals or people. But it's a tough call, especially for those who love horses as much as they love dogs.

The horse, Stoney, meanwhile, has been taken off active duty while his injuries heal.



 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 4:06 am
Charlie, an 18-month-old Staffordshire terrier that allegedly attacked and spooked a US Park Police horse in Crissy Field on August 6, has been sentenced to death by Animal Care and Control's Vicious and Dangerous Dog Unit.

Charlie's owner, David Gizzarelli, who was arrested at the scene of the attack, is now fighting for Charlie's life, working with a lawyer to file an injunction to keep the dog from being euthanized.

As the story goes, Gizzarelli had taken the dog to Crissy Field where Charlie was running off-leash. Charlie then spotted the horse, Stoney, with Park Policeman Howard Levitt astride it, and proceeded to attack, biting the horse's stomach and locking on to a rear leg. The horse freaked out, threw Levitt off, and ran off toward his stable with the dog in pursuit. The dog chased the horse around the stable, and eventually the horse kicked him and the dog retreated toward the Lincoln Blvd. underpass of Presidio Parkway.

Levitt claims Gizzarelli failed ever to get control of the dog, and Gizzarelli probably doesn't dispute that since it sounds like he called Animal Care and Control the day of the incident in order to deal with his dog. (Gizzarelli told the Ex, "My dog is very fast, and the horse is fast. I couldn’t get him.”) Stoney, the horse is still being treated for its injuries, and it's unclear if he can return to active duty.

 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 4:13 am
my last c2 news on this.If you can tell me one good reason why Charlie should die for what he did,or provide an article on the horse's (the other side of the story) please please do,I have provided evey news atricle and link I can find on this...
http://www.care2.com/news/member/281283763/3449192
I LOVE ALL ANIMALS AND I FEEL VERY VERY BAD FOR THE HORSE,BUT I STAND BY MY ORIGINAL C2 NEWS AND THE QUESTION ....SHOULD CHARLIE DIE FOR WHAT HAPPEND......I SAY NO.

 

Diane L. (110)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 4:15 am
Thank you, Dianne Lynn for updatng us on this incident, and it just reinforces my opinions. ""They’re putting farm animals together with domesticated animals," he said. "Any dog, not just a Pit Bull, not just Charlie or my dog, could have chased after that horse, could have caused a problem"........yes, ABSOLUTELY, any dog COULD have chased after that horse, and any dog that did and do so as Charlie did, with the same results should be dealt with in the same manner. The point is that dogs and livestock DO co-exist and saying that "farm animals" and "domesticated animals" should not be put together is really silly. Many of us, if not most of us who have horses, also have dogs. We control our dogs as much as they need to be controlled and dogs are also used TO control livestock. Farm animals ARE domesticated animals, so whoever said that is clueless. A Police Horse is also not a "farm" animal. Technically, that horse is a COP, same as the rider. If somebody shoots a K-9 dog, he's charged with assault on a Police Officer, not animal cruelty. Police Horses should be given that same respect.
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 4:24 am
oH DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE K-9'S,HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS HAVE WE HAD JUST THIS YEAR THAT EITHER SHOT THEIR OWN K-9 OR LEFT THEM TO DIE IN A HOT PATROL CAR...AND EVERY EVERY ONE OF THOSE POLICE MEN ARE STILL WOWKING OR ON A 3 WEEK SUSPENTION WITH PAY,CHARGED WITH NOTHING,THE LAST ONE,ALL CHARGES ARE GOING TO BE DROPPED ON OCTOBER 1ST WHEN THE POLICE OFFICER COMPETES A "COUSE",WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE K-9'S (DO NOT QUOTE ME ON IT JUST YET) BUT I THINK 9 SO FAR THIS YEAR,WHERE WERE THEIR RIGHTS AND RESPECT??
 

Diane L. (110)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 4:26 am
Dianne Lynn, I thanked you for the update, and you are sadly mistaken that I'm the ONLY one who wanted to know more facts, nor did I even ask for the "other side" of the story. I also resent you putting words in my mouth. I never said Charlie should "DIE". I said that he should be given a 2nd chance but it should be with restrictions and he needs to be controlled, which his present owner seems incapable of doing. Please read what I said, and don't just run with what you THINK I said. You're also playing the pity-party thing that Charlie's breed has everything to do with how he should be dealt with. I wouldn't feel any differently if Charlie was a Poodle!
 

Diane L. (110)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 4:30 am
"oH DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE K-9'S,HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS HAVE WE HAD JUST THIS YEAR THAT EITHER SHOT THEIR OWN K-9"....you can't be serious! Please, if you want any respect or expect anyone to read what you put in here as to have any credibility, back that up or apologize for the insult made to all K-9 officers and their partners! Every cop who has a K-9 partner loves that dog as much as if it were their human partner, and most take the dogs to live out their lives with their families after they are officially retired. They ARE part of their families. I'm done with trying to have a civil discussion with anyone who has such a twisted mindset.
 

Dianne Lynn Eakin (731)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 4:52 am
I will say sorry to you as I did not mean to put words in your mouth.But am not playing no pittie cards for Charlie,and the c2 articles speak for themselves about the # of incidents of "accidents" this year.I do not make up c2 new,I just put it out there.
Isaid I WAS DONE YESTERDAY,BUT LET EVERYTHING GET TO ME,SO NO i AM DONE WITH THIS COVO WITH YOU.On one last note I am sorry if I offended you.I do feel very bad for the horse,Charlie,the police officer involved and all of their families,it was just very tragic all the way around,for all involved.
 

Helgaguillen Ramos (1)
Saturday December 1, 2012, 4:50 am
I live in Australia, and i took my dogs to a off-leash park, but in my life i have being never see a police officer in a horse enter the park, i saw polices officers walking. I know if my dogs see a horse will act like Charlie, now I am afraid witht this accident to take my 2 furbabys to aoff-leash park.will be a good idea to put signs in the off-leash parks that officers are patroling those parks on horse. then the owners take their dogs with a leach. I can't understand why people can be so cruel and without compassion and want Charlie to put down, Is not Charlie fault. Charlie is not dangerous or vicious, was an accident, Charlie deserve to be with his owner, And charlie don't deserve to be with restriction of Dangerous Breeds, He is not dangerous.
 

Helgaguillen Ramos (1)
Saturday December 1, 2012, 6:16 am
Diane L: Charlie have never seen a horse before. Charlie was in an off-leash park, in your case with your dogs that chase your horses and don't bite the horses is diferent, your dogs see the horses know the horses, Charlie has neverr seen a horse before,for charlie to see a big horse he have never seen before was scare, he has been playing with other dogs. he knows humans and dogs. i have 2 dogs and i know they will act like Charlie because they have never seen a horse before. I live in Australia and police officer on horse never enter the park, police offificer enter the park walking, Is wrong that police officers on horse enter a park of an offf-leash park, they put in danger the dogs,the owners, the horse and themselves. If they do that they should put signs that police officers will enter the park on horse at any time. Them the owners of the dogs know and is their decision to go to the park or not,if i know that, i will not take my furbabys to a off-leash park where a police on horse will enter the park.
 
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