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Graphic Video: Muslims Slaughter Convert to Christianity in Tunisia


World  (tags: HumanRights, death, Tunisia, Christianity, Islam )

David
- 832 days ago - meforum.org
"Egypt Today" airing a video of Muslims slicing a young man's head off for the crime of apostasy, in this case, the crime of converting to Christianity and refusing to renounce it. The video--be warned, it is immensely graphic--is embedded here.



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. (0)
Monday June 4, 2012, 9:30 am
Isn't 'religion' fun...It's about time we all grew up and, being slightly more educated than those in 2012BC, accept that there is no credible scientific or factually reliable evidence for the existence of a god, gods or the supernatural? We should be selling these people schoolbooks, not guns...
 

Aimee A. (177)
Monday June 4, 2012, 12:23 pm
Thanks for posting!
 

Tommy S. (11)
Monday June 4, 2012, 11:10 pm

Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)
Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).
 

Tommy S. (11)
Monday June 4, 2012, 11:22 pm
make sure to follow the link to muslim prayers of hate
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/10669/muslim-prayers-of-hate
When you invoke your god in this way-- it shows him/her for what he/she really is
 

Stan B. (124)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 12:54 am
It's hard to believe that such an evil act could be committed in the name of religion but Islam seems capable of just about every atrocity in the book.
And Tunisia was always one of the more tolerant Arab countries. " Arab Spring " my ass.
Thanks for posting David and showing what evil the free world is facing.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 2:20 am
A recent TV docu showed Tunisia as one of the more forward thinking Islamic countries - people appeared happy and the girls/women dressed how they pleased................ shows how quickly things can resort to kind. Thanks david.
 

Rob and Jay B. (120)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 3:47 am
Sickening. Why isn't this on the main page of Care2 Causes Daily News? Silly question, huh? If it was a Muslim being beheaded it would be headlines in all the mainstream media.

This is like the young boy who was murdered at school by his teacher and other students because he had a cross on in Egypt.

There are so many terrible stories like this one that rarely get any coverage in the msm. Where are the so-called 'moderate' Muslims speaking out against this atrocity? Silent because they do approve of this. As Tommy said above, Mohammed commanded this and they believe in it.

What a sick, evil ideology that would condone, let alone command, such evil.
 

Phyllis Baxter (39)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 4:40 am
They are at least 400 years behind the West. That is fact- not 'racism' or 'bigotry'. Why do the PC people keep insisting that 'all cultures are equal'. Here is the proof- they are just savages and criminality is being excused on the grounds of religion. No doubt they'll blame someone else for their actions- it's the Islamic way.
 

Franco Di Palma (374)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 4:48 am
Disgusting act. The stupidity and ego of human beings never, never stops amazing me.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 6:37 am
Stan: " Arab Spring " my ass.

Well, your concept of a Spring is different from the concept of Arab Spring hold by Al-Queda and Moslem Brotherhood who took over the Middle East, while Obama was watching and either helping the Islamists or doing nothing to stop them.

He will do nothing about the murdered Christian as well. And neither with the State Department. They seem to say something meaningful only to condemn American allies - Israel, South Korea, Canada, etc.
 

Bernard Cronyn (31)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 7:27 am
And banning Sharia in Western countries according to the "Bleeding Hearts" is wrong?
 

Berny p. (23)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 8:16 am
banning Sharia in Western countries according to the "Bleeding Hearts" is wrong?


ban them all!!!!
 

Michela m. (3924)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 11:09 am
Noted
 

Beth S. (326)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 12:43 pm
I read the article, but I can't watch the video. The author of the article certainly makes his point well. Sharia is vile. The Islamic blood lust, love of death and violence is frequently not mentioned in the Western media in acquiescence to the Muslim Brotherhood's great influence and for fear of hurting Muslims' "feelings" for pointing out that Islam is very much NOT the religion of peace, but more aptly the religion of piece(s).

May this evil religion be stopped quickly in its tracks. And may people in our government stand up for these poor people who are being tortured and killed for a right to exercise their choice in religion, something that we often take entirely for granted.

Thanks for posting, David.
 

David E. (82)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 1:38 pm

More information relating to this video:

More on the Slaughtered Convert to Christianity
http://www.meforum.org/3257/slaughtered-convert-to-christianity
 

Gene Jacobson (252)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 3:07 pm
"Visibly distraught, Tawfiq Okasha, the host, asked: "Is this Islam? Does Islam call for this? How is Islam related to this matter?...These are the images that are disseminated throughout the electronic media in Europe and America…. Can you imagine?" Then, in reference to Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood and Salafis, whose political influence has grown tremendously, he asked, "How are such people supposed to govern?"

Okay, I can't watch it, I won't watch it. Reading about it was horrible enough. It isn't like I don't know this "religion" is capable of this - they've made a televised sport of it beginning with Daniel Pearl. But I do applaud the host. If this IS Islam than Islam is the greatest threat to the world today, because their central tenet is that either all convert or all be killed. That isn't a religion. That is a terrorist organization and I don't give a rip how many adherents they have, where is CAIR on this? Why isn't this on the top of their agenda? If they want us to believe they are moderates and only wish to live in peace then they MUST repudiate these ignorant heathens in the strongest of terms. Yet only here do I find anything about this. Why isn't this in the mainstream media? If they think they can avoid the bloodbath coming by ignoring these terrorists they will find to our dismay that is not true. Once they are armed well enough and organized well enough, they will come for us all. People like this make me regret, almost, that I am anti death penalty, but I certainly do support life without parole for such as these who demonstrated through their own actions they are unfit to walk freely among us, that none of us are safe in our person while they do. THIS is the enemy we should be fighting at every place on the planet they act this way. And moderate Islamist's should be joining us. If there really are any. I'm less and less sure of that as time passes.
 

Fred H. (31)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 4:55 pm
And, Tunisia is considered one of the "moderate" Muslim nations. It's hard for me to feel tolerant for such intolerant people.
 

pam w. (191)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 7:41 pm
I give up...why ISN'T this on page one? Is it "Islamophobic" to ask that question? Are we to believe this is done MISTAKENLY? Is this done NOT by a sadistic cretin who uses the name of religion to indulge his BLOOD LUST?

Perhaps the usual defenders of Islam will appear and explain why we're not really seeing what we're really seeing.
 

Marie W. (65)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 9:28 pm
Religion can be used to justify anything.
 

Carol Dreeszen (364)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 10:22 pm
I think it has more to do with insane people than Religion!! Anyone that can contemplate cutting someone's head off is clearly not capable of even comprehending what true Religion is! They are a bunch of crazy minded lunatics that don't have a clue about anything! Disgusting!!!!!!
 

Rob and Jay B. (120)
Tuesday June 5, 2012, 11:40 pm
Tommy S, thanks for that excellent link. What a shocker that was, but in keeping with the difference in the teachings of Jesus Christ and his exact opposite, Mohammed.

How can any decent human being listen to this kind of hate and believe it is from a good god?

'Formal prayers at Mecca, Islam's holiest city. As Muslims circumambulated around the Ka'ba, the following supplications were blasted on a megaphone, chanted to by Islam's devotees:
'O Allah vanquish the unjust Christians and the criminal Jews, the unjust traitors; strike them with your wrath; make their lives hostage to misery; drape them with endless despair, unrelenting pain and unremitting ailment; fill their lives with sorrow and pain and end their lives in humiliation and oppression; inflict your tortures and punishments upon the unjust Christians and criminal Jews. This is our supplication, Allah; grant us our request!'
FROM: http://www.raymondibrahim.com/10669/muslim-prayers-of-hate

This is blasted at pilgrims to Islam's 'holiest' city???! It sounds like a 'prayer' given at a Satanic Black Mass instead. Is it any wonder acts of evil and hate like in this horrific video can happen and not cause outrage among Muslims? No Muslim can condemn this without risking beheading themselves since Islam/Allah/Mohammed DO say to 'kill unbelievers wherever you find them', and countless other verses of hate to non-Muslims and those who leave Islam. For a Muslim to renounce this kind of hate and violence is to commit apostasy, which, in only Islam is death, as this video shows.
 

Hilary S. (45)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 2:01 am
i confess i was too wimpy to watch the gruesome beheading of this hapless convert from the 'religion of peace'. so much for a new religious tolerance in the arab spring.
shows us yet again that when islam and its fervent adherents say something it doesn't make it so. it's reaching the point that what they say is an indication of its untruth.
 

Robin T. (14)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 3:38 am
Cowardly, Blood thirsty heathens. They obviously now they are nothing but cold blooded murderers otherwise why cover their faces.

Hey moderate muslims would never sanction this, they only allow the stoning of innocent woman.

The next world war will be fought over religion.
 

pam w. (191)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 7:11 am
Where is the outcry from "moderate Muslims?"
 

Ira Herson (13)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 7:43 am
I can never understand how anyone can ascribe such actions as something divine. To kill for god is absolutely mentally ill.

Nearly all religions have killed in the name of god. To protect god etc. My belief is that IF there were such a thing as god that was all powerful etc. she could kill all the people she wants to all by herself without the help of us little humans. If you have to kill to protect your god then you need to get yourself a better god.

However, this is not an isolated case. There was a recent acid attack on a man in Uganda. He was sent to Israel for medical treatment. http://shebamedical.org/press/35 His name is Pastor Mulinde. He was born a Muslim but converted to Christianity and became a religious leader. Acid seems to be a punishment of choice as it is used a lot for honor killings as well.
 

pam w. (191)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 8:47 am
I agree, Ira...well said!

Sadly, IF there were a god (all powerful, etc) asswipes like the Taliban and certain Christian fundies who set themselves up to become seriously rich (and then indulge their sexual whims on men AND women) would all be exploded in a massive demonstration of that god's power.

But...it doesn't happen. So, religious people invent more DOGMA to explain WHY it doesn't happen...."free will," etc.

In this case....the sadistic lunatic with the knife and the ranting decided HE had the "RIGHT" to kill this poor fellow, whose only crime was switching mythologies. I sincerely hope he didn't suffer too long.
 

Ruth S. (1)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 12:29 pm
I must admit that I didn't watch the video but this can come as no surprise to anyone who knows even a little about the persecution of Christians in Muslim countries and particularly those few Muslims who choose to become Christians. Yes, Christians behaved like this a thousand years ago during the Crusades but we are now in the year 2012 and it is tragic that the religious leaders of the Muslim faith have not seen fit to progress just a little towards modern times.

We have only to read about the "family honour" murders in the UK and all over Europe, a modern vibrant society, to know that this religion remains firmly rooted in the 8th century. There is little to be done except wait and fear the future of Europe and all the so-called "western world" because within less than 50 years Islam will control everything and we should all fear for the future of our grandchildren.

 

Ge M. (217)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 12:48 pm
I have seen photos of a 12 year old boy beheading a white guy as his introduction to adulthood, in the name of Islam.

But as Mohammed is clearly depicted as an oversexed hedonistic paedophile who was thoroughly untrustworthy and preached hatred and murder, this is of no surprise to me. He changed the religion to suit his needs and, as he had nothing to offer but sex, sex and more sex he had to raid Judaism and Christianity for ideas.
 

bob m. (32)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 1:20 pm


Jesus wept... 1 john 2: 22, 23.
 

Paula M. (39)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 2:24 pm
I have great respect for the man who refused to renounce his Christianity even in the face of death.
 

Gerry Moran (17)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 3:52 pm
ALL religions are pure myth, superstition and downright nonsense. They all have their evil side too, but islam stands head and shoulders above them all for stupidty and evil.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 4:21 pm
Gene, CAIR, as to prove your point, advises its followers on how to apply legal means to avoid FBI questions and prevent their investigations.

 

Gene Jacobson (252)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 4:43 pm
"Jesus wept... 1 john 2: 22, 23"

Indeed. But, Bob, watch your back, that statement makes you a target, a what do they call it? Polytheist? Terrorist scum will be after you. No worries though, they'll come for us all. I'm not a Christian, that would require me to associate myself with people like Mitt for whom I have no respect whatsoever. I am a spiritualist and a realist. And I know what I know. This is OUR play, our stage, our creation, humanity's. That we have iti is God's gift to us. What we do with it is ON us. These "people" on their best day show us what horrid creations we might be had we not had the good fortune, or good sense, to be born in a land not dominated by Islam. At heart, the powerful are the same. Had George W or Mitt been born in Saudi Arabia, they would have been bin Laden and had he been born he, he would have been them. None up there, who are concerned only with money, power and the exercise of it, are different inside. Only the accident of their birthplace determines who they hate and who they try to kill. The only saving grace, pun intended, in Christianity is that at its core are the teachings of the gentlest man ever to walk the planet. The gospels are made up, of course, since none was written even within 100 years of Jesus time on earth, but they do capture some of His most marvelous moments. The sermon on the mount is pure poetry and a lesson in how we should treat others. His throwing the money lenders out of the temple is a lesson in how we should treat the wealthy, the bankers and the powerful in our day. His continuous riding of the pharisees and scribes is how we ought look at the upper ranks of Christianity for they know Him not. Nor does any adherent of Islam.

These barbarians of this story, again, I could not watch it, I will not, nor do I need to in order to know them, are the crowd that screamed crucify him. No different, bloody sheep led by even bloodier leaders. Islam, as I said earlier, is the greatest threat to the world today. Not nuclear weapons, unless they should fall into the hands of these illiterate scum, because no one will use them. Weapons of war are, for now, a necessary evil, for when good people stand and do nothing, then evil is allowed to triumph. These people and their leaders, imams, what a joke, any fool can call himself a scholar and therefore an imam, no training, only that particular fool's word and begin issuing fatwah's and calling for jihad. They believe the world will not be complete until all are either Islamic or dead. They have no other goal, no other agenda. CAIR which claims to be moderate, does nothing here but look for the tiniest affronts to Islam and then cause holy hell over them, they NEVER speak out against this side of Islam. They never condemn honor killings, they never condemn female mutilation, they never condemn anything of the most horrific kind, they are completely silent on such things. Which, for me, puts them in the same camp as these butchers. Someone above said the next world war will be fought over religion and she's right, it will be, in fact it has already begun. We've said, as a nation, that we are not at war with Islam, we are at war with terrorists. Well, news flash, they are one and the same. We ARE at war with Islam and they certainly are at war with us. Christian or not, doesn't matter to them. They can butcher a man for his faith, or lack of it, but if a cartoon is drawn of that pedophile they worship they riot and kill for days or longer. You can't reason with such as they. They exist outside the bounds of civil discourse. I don't care how nice the Saudi royalty makes with the Bush family, inside they hate them,, and all of us too. They'll never stop, they will have to BE stopped. Only when this world is secular completely with everyone free to worship what or who they choose without bloodshed, challenge or violence, or NOT worship, and all may walk safely anywhere, when trafficking in women and children is finished, when all people are safe in their person, only then will this be a civilization. And that is a few tears off yet. More than a few, I'm afraid. And we should be, because bloodshed is coming and there is no other way to get where we want to go. History has called people of peace to arms at times to lay aside their peaceful nature in order to rid the world of a pestilence. As was WWII necessary to rid the planet of Hitler, so to is this is one of those times.
 

pam w. (191)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 4:55 pm
(Gene...here's ANOTHER star I owe you! HEAPS of them, actually.)
 

Vicky P. (463)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 6:04 pm
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God

Deuteronomy
KJV :)

Christians do the same thing. so are supposed to anyway
 

pam w. (191)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 6:27 pm
Really, Vicky....and how long has it been since we saw video of a cold-blooded BEHEADING done by a "civilian" to a Christian who left the faith?

Hmmmmm?

I'll wait.
 

Detlef K. (4)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 8:14 pm
Why aren't atrocities like this shared in the news... and why are these people not brought to justice?
 

. (0)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 9:53 pm
Detlef...Possibly because people who promise to close Guantanamo Bay but do not and those who declare an illegal 10 year war on Iraq are not bought to justice either?...Who are the Barbarians?...Educated people who violate human rights or uneducated people who know no better?
 

pam w. (191)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 10:12 pm
The fact that ALL of these things happen doesn't preclude making events like this beheading known! Sorry BUSH isn't on trial....and sorry Gitmo is still open....and I'm terribly sorry for this young man and his family/friends.

He was an innocent victim of a violent, stone-age "thought" process.
 

. (0)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 10:18 pm
A stone age thought process?...It is ok to separate people from their families and not tell them where they were 'dissapeared' to by 'extraordinary rendition, send them to be tortured at Abu Graib and then on to Gitmo to be waterboarded and detained, without trial, forever?

How many people are victims of this stone age thought process?
 

pam w. (191)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 11:12 pm
Many....and none of that detracts from this video and the evil it depicts.

 

Stan B. (124)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 11:18 pm
Here, here Pam. It never ceases to amaze me how some contributors try to justify or explain atrocities by referring to totally unrelated topics.
 

pam w. (191)
Wednesday June 6, 2012, 11:43 pm
Stan, I understand SOME of it...there's a lot of "black/white" thinking out there for unsophisticated thinkers. But, the world is really composed of GRAY areas and those who can hold conflicting concepts in their minds simultaneously know this.

Yes...back in the days past, Christians did some really rotten things. (As a descendant of a Native American, I'm still aware of the horrors perpetuated on my ancestors by some of my ancestors. And I have no loyalty WHATSOEVER to Christianity.)

Yes, Western nations have intruded into the governments of Middle Eastern countries....for many reasons, some of which were justified at the time..

Yes, fundamental Christians in some nations treat women like second-class citizens and use us as targets to diffuse their impotence in addressing meaningful issues in daily life..

NONE of this excuses or eclipses the terrors Islam imposes on its adherents to deny them freedoms we consider BASIC.

Western society expects and takes for granted freedoms of speech, artistic expression, religion (or the right to atheism,) literature, etc....and Islam does not.

Adherents of Islam love to diffuse rightful criticism of that "faith" by scuffling in the dust and tossing up "WELL...Christianity does THIS" and "WELL, AMERICA DOES THAT:......"

It's all a smokescreen for the defenders of Islam, whose tactics (predictably) are:

1. deny, deny, deny
2. Insult the questioner...use name-calling, toss around words like "Islamophobia" "bigot" "haters"
3. Blame Jews/Zionists/anyone else available.
 

Stan B. (124)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 12:20 am
Pam. 4. Compare the Israelis to the Nazis when you don't have a clue about the topic.
Big green star on its way to you.
 

pam w. (191)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 12:43 am
Thanks....the biggest problem I have with these DEFENDERS OF ISLAM is that they can't seem to recognize gray areas.

They seem to want to take sides in a "war" which only exists on ONE side.....
 

Stan B. (124)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 12:58 am
Like Vicky Pitchford who is quoting from deuteronomy. Only 5000 years out of date.
 

pam w. (191)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 12:59 am
EXACTLY!
 

monica r. (41)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 5:15 am
Ignore Vicky. She has shown time and again that she is more than happy to justify the human rights violations that are inseparable from sharia/Islam, despite her admissions that she hasn't read the quran and doesn't really know anything about Islam/sharia.

Now we see she knows nothing about Christianity either. Christians by definition are supposed to follow CHRIST. That, Vicky, means JESUS. The guy who said the one with no sin can cast the first stone. The one who said pray for your enemies. The one who said judge not, love one another, turn the other cheek.

How can a supposedly educated/civilized person watch a present-day video of a man's head hacked off just for leaving a religion and pooh-pooh it because some ancient scripture that NOBODY follows and that is NOT codified into a system of law says something about killing idol-worshippers? What, Vicky? Like, that makes it okay? It's not okay if someone does it quoting Deuteronomy (as Pam said, if you know of one please share, or why did you bring that up if nobody's done that since a thousand years ago?) and it's not okay if they do it in the name of allaah as directed by the quran/sunna/sharia.

The distinction you miss is that Islam asks its adherents to do these things NOW, TODAY, IN OUR TIME. And clearly from this video, they ARE doing it. I don't really give a rip about other religions that have long since seen the error of their ways and stopped barbaric practices ages ago. No comparison.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 6:01 am
Pam W. you're approaching know-it-all status.

Yes everyone with any decency agrees such acts are heinous, evil, horrible, terrible, awful, and let's say everyone will agree that Islam is horrible, awful, evil, terrible, heinous. (This means ALL ISLAM, since it's based on the Koran, and as you and everyone else of your clique pushes endlessly that the Koran is all evil, horrible, terrible, heinous, awful)---just what is it you want everyone to do about it? Repeat, just what is it you want everyone to do about it? Address the question precisely.

It's rather imbecilic to think anything is 'done' about it by 'winning an argument'.

So what do you want everyone to do about it? Address the question precisely. Nuke Iran? Nuke Tunisia? Send in American troops? Send in people to unconvert Muslims? (you can lead them). Nuke all 'muslim-controlled' nations on the planet? Kill only some Muslims? Kill all muslims in N. America and Europe too because after all, they follow the Koran, and the Koran is evil, horrible, awful, terrible and every muslim MUST eventually follow it and work for the demise of all non-muslims? Convert a billion muslims to 'agnostic' like your 'religion'? Convert a billion muslims to being non-muslim?

So what is it you want everyone to do about it?

 

pam w. (191)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 7:36 am
Kenneth...you're approaching MARGARETHOOD in your zeal to make it all personal while you flail around with insults spewing. I'm sure you're proud of that. Feel like a warrior of god, do you?

Ever been to Muslim countries, Kenneth? Ever seen how animals are treated? Ever seen how these people treat the vulnerable? Ever seen what happens to those who stand up and differ from their power structure? Do you have any idea what would happen to you as a Westerner if you spoke one work of "insult" to their god? Review the beheading videos, Kenneth....that could easily be you or me or anyone else who acts in "unapproved" ways.

Nobody here has EVER said that ALL Muslims are (fill in the blank.) That's YOUR fantasy.

What I want people to do about it is be aware that Islam is a creeping danger. I'd like to see people acknowledge that it represents a valid threat to liberty of women, children and non-Muslims everywhere. I'd like to see people address how to keep Islamists at arm-length in order to protect our culture. I'd like people to recognize that Islam is incompatible with our values of free speech, freedom of thought, artistic expression, reproductive and religious freedoms.

It is NOT a religion--it's a political system which seeks to control every action of every individual within its sway.

YOU are the over-reactive repeater who seems to believe that because "a billion Muslims" believe it....it must be ok. YOU are the one insulting the rest of us with meaningless rhetoric.

You are the one who has FINALLY admitted that "everyone with any decency agrees such acts (as the beheading) are heinous, evil, horrible, terrible, awful" etc.

I didn't realize you knew that. Good for you!

Now...don't address me anymore and I'll do the same for you.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 8:14 am
There is almost an Orwellian aspect to this crime of apostasy It is actually a form of state controlled thought crime. As the law is based not on a civil law but the subjective nature of religious law. When religion is the political system of government then what you believe is dictated by the state.

After all what does it matter what you think or believe if there is no activity attached to it. What does it matter if you believe in Zeus or Jesus. What has that got to do with the price of rice?!

But if the religion is the state, then to not believe as they say is tantamount to treason. Religious law is a scary thing. I see that there is a shift to religious based laws in the USA. Denying women birth control or abortions, ant-gay laws to name just a few of the religiously based laws.

There is a basic incompatibility with religious laws, Christian or Muslin and the US Constitution as there is a fundamental separation of Church and State.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 9:26 am
Pam, nobody knows who or what you are talking about----'Margarethood'?????? Please explain to anyone reading. You live in a world of your own.
'Feel like a warrior of god'???? Huh? You mean god, little g, or God, big G? Either way it's more of your religious bigotry, doesn't matter whether Islam or Christianity (but 'agnostics' like you are safe aren't they lol). And no, I am not any warrior of god or God in the slightest. False.

And regarding another false statement by you that ' Islam is not a religion'. Every definition in every dictionary conceivable defines it as one. Of course you simply use your own definition of it to justify your own prejudices. And you are a know-it-all to boot.

I 'finally' admitted what? I didn't know I had to 'admit' or not admit anything to you. LOL! I don't, nor does anyone else, have to please you or agree with you or confirm anything you think, or do or say anything you want them to. Pompous.

Your two statements that----you've never said 'all muslims are bad' is completely confused by your next statement--- "Islam is a creeping danger. I'd like to see people acknowledge that it represents a valid threat to liberty of women, children and non-Muslims everywhere. I'd like to see people address how to keep Islamists at arm-length in order to protect our culture. I'd like people to recognize that Islam is incompatible with our values of free speech, freedom of thought, artistic expression, reproductive and religious freedoms"

All muslims aren't bad but keep them 'at arms length' because Islam is their religion and it's a danger to various freedoms?

What occurs in muslim dominated nations is not the same as muslims living in democracies. Equating the two is gratuitous and self-serving. Where injustices occur in democracies they are watched, any idiot knows this, but there is such a thing as CREATING more chaos and danger and threat than there really is. It's called a chaos and fear merchant.



 

Gene Jacobson (252)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 10:07 am
"A stone age thought process?...It is ok to separate people from their families and not tell them where they were 'dissapeared' to by 'extraordinary rendition, send them to be tortured at Abu Graib and then on to Gitmo to be waterboarded and detained, without trial, forever?

How many people are victims of this stone age thought process?"

Oh please, give it a rest. Are you seriously trying to equate water boarding or being held in prison with what happened in that video? That is what is known as a strawman argument. Not even apples and oranges. Planets and suns more like. There is NO comparison, none. And that includes everything you said, none of it compares to this atrocity. Not even close. We did NOT execute ANYONE in Gitmo. Do I like the place? No. But I'm a civilized human. I can say I don't like it. But I can also say that what happened there, without actually seeing it, is so much worse that to even try to deflect the argument that Islam is a terrorist group with some nonsense about holding terrorists incommunicado is the same thing in essence is ridiculous. Come back when you have an actual argument in favor of beheading those who believe differently from you. THAT is the discussion here. Yes, Christians have a long and bloody history, so does virtually every country on the planet, but MOST of us have evolved past that horrid history, Islam is just beginning it again. On purpose and with malice aforethought. And CAIR is their wing, their representative here, pretending to be moderate while subverting us from within. That is the truth of that group. They not only do not condemn this, by their silence, they applaud it. It is a very good thing Homeland Security is on the job because there are here now, through our porous open borders plenty of these who mean all of us true harm and they aren't planning on water boarding us, they are planning on killing us.
 

Gene Jacobson (252)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 10:18 am
"So what is it you want everyone to do about it?"

That's an easy one, Kenneth. Prepare. I am not saying go to war with Islamic nations, unless they go to war with us directly. But they won't do that, they can't defeat us that way, they know and so should you. They will do here what they do everywhere, infiltrate, propagate, and as their numbers increase begin making religious intolerance claims, and as they grow even further attempt to force cultural change through violence. See what has happened in the Netherlands, how they grew from a "moderate" small number to a large strident group demanding their will be adhered to. See France for a repeat. See America for another repeat. They are growing here like a cancer in our country. Google a-year-of-jihad-in-america-2011 for 42 stories of violent acts of subversion in America last year alone. So the answer to your question is still, prepare. Homeland Security is doing what needs be done, but evil must be confronted wherever and whenever it occurs or it will simply increase. Evil triumphs when good people do nothing. They are counting on that. Counting on us to not believe the evidence of their silent war here in America. So prepare and don't be silent when atrocities are committed on our soil. Or we become them. And that is just not acceptable to me or, I think, most Americans.
 

David E. (82)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 1:32 pm
I have been following the comments and as the one who originally placed this news item, I would like to make the following comment.

Islam is more than a religion; it is a proselytizing ideology. What ever the reason, fear included, the negative aspects of this ideology should not be whitewashed or ignored as is being done in the Western media. Negative things including those of Islam should be reported as this is the strength of a democratic society.
 

pam w. (191)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 1:59 pm
Thanks, David. Only an idiot ignores a rattlesnake in the garden. Only a fool ignores a potentially toxic ideology in the "garden." Intelligent people understand this.
 

Louise Peacock (22)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 3:19 pm
Christians did their share of ugly things, but that was several centruies ago. I do not believe that anyone in a Christian faith has carried out any beheadings, or stonings on someone who decided to leave off being a christian.

These radical Islamists are getting carried away with their own importance and if we do not put a stop to the nonsense in our own countries (in case you folks are unaware - they are practicing female circumcision, they beat their wives and daughters and they kill brides, but they do it under cover of their communities and they do these things right here in North America), so if we turn a blind eye to this, we will eventually find out culture overpowered by them. This is just another example of their mentality.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 11:15 pm
At least Gene uses some reasoning ability, Pam W. you're simply a loudmouthed religious bigot. You've attacked me as some 'warrior of god' (which I'm not, but that's an attack against Christianity) and attacked me for being Amish (which I'm also not) and you fanatically attack Islam. So you're pinpointed, get used to it.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 11:27 pm
At least Gene uses some reasoning ability, Pam you're just a loudmouthed religious bigot short many utensils in the drawer. You've attacked me for being some 'warrior of god' (not true but it IS an attack against Christianity), also elsewhere attacked me for being Amish (which I'm not but it IS an attack against the Amish), and you fanatically attack Islam. So you're pinpointed, get used to it.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Thursday June 7, 2012, 11:29 pm
There, C2 has posted it twice for me. Kudos!
 

Ira Herson (13)
Friday June 8, 2012, 7:11 am
I for one have no problem if a person wants to believe in any religion they want.However when a religion has teeth then you have to be aware that it can bite you.

As Islam is a religion it can say anything it wants to about the world and everyone in it as its dogma/ideology may dictate and if any one is stupid enough to accept it then fine. However, with the installation of religious law in countries that will use capital punishment for religious crimes then we have to protect ourselves and others that do not subscribe to these as human rights demand.

This of course is not a cry for an anti-Jihad. It is a call that we do not deal with these countries and shun them in the world stage.

We must protect democracies from being taken over by religion and I mean all religions not just Islam but the lot.

There is some confusion as to religious principals being the foundation for moral laws. Not true. You do not need to have a religion to find a moral imperative. early Greek philosophers recognized that and wrote about it.
 

pam w. (191)
Friday June 8, 2012, 7:17 am
"When a religion has teeth, then you have to be aware it can bite you."

Well said, Ira! You're a voice of reason in a babbling world.
 

David E. (82)
Friday June 8, 2012, 9:19 am
Come on now. Let's stop knocking religion. Two secularist, Hitler and Stalin, were together responsible for over 120 million deaths in the 20th century and not in the name of religion, but in the name of a secular ideology. So in the case of any ideology and any religion it depends upon the leaders and the followers. The problem with Islam is that it is a prosyletizing ideology which in many cases is spead through fear.
By the way Ira - where is the civilization of those Greek philosophers today? The Ten Commandments still exist.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday June 8, 2012, 12:03 pm
Any strong and militant ideology presents a danger to society, be it based on religion or be it based on some other beliefs, like Communism or Nazism.

The danger of Islamic ideology, which is not the same as Islamic religion, is that it pushes for a special and favorable treatment of Muslims living in democracies while depriving minorities living under Islamic rule their basic rights. The switch from one stage to another can be easily triggered by the raising numbers of Islamic followers.

Judging by the world precedents, steps like regulating immigration and a requirement to teach basics of democracy and tolerance in ALL schools, including private religious schools, are critical to maintain the current culture and traditions of the democracies.
 

Roopak Vaidya (33)
Saturday June 9, 2012, 7:37 am
This era is indeed kaliyug.
 
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