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A Tragedy Shrouded in Silence: The Destruction of the Arab World's Jewry


World  (tags: humanrights, Jews in Arab Countries, anti-Semitism )

David
- 631 days ago - azure.org.il
The story of what happened over night to the hundreds of thousands of Jews who lived in Arabs countries for centuries.



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paul m. (93)
Monday November 26, 2012, 1:32 pm

Noted
 

pam w. (191)
Monday November 26, 2012, 2:59 pm
Heartbreaking!
 

Stan B. (124)
Monday November 26, 2012, 3:07 pm
The world is so busy worrying about Palestinian terrorists it has forgotten the 900000 Jewish refugees booted out by numerous Muslim/Arab countries after 1948.
 

Patricia Martin (19)
Monday November 26, 2012, 3:09 pm
The vast majority of people in the world and even those involved with the Israeli-Arab conflict, have no idea that this massive problem enters into the equation. With the world, it is acceptable that people scream about the rights of Arabs who left Israel, largely in hopes of a swift defeat by many Arab armies sure that they would deal Israel a swift and lethal blow. The "Palestinians" got locked out, their hopes of Israeli booty and property, most of it purchased, was left unrealized. And their Arab brothers would not let them into Arab countries, but instead forced them into refugee camps (when almost every other non-Arab refugee population in the world were successfully integrated into other countries).

But alas, we do not hear of the nearly one million Jews who were forced out of their homes in Arab countries, were Jews in many cases pre-dated the Arab-Muslims. These Jews were forced out with just the clothes on their backs, and were not remunerated for anything. This situation needs to be told. If Palestinians have any claims of injustice, the Jews from foreign lands have many-more-fold claims of even greater injustice.

Thank you, David.

This article needs to be read well.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (452)
Monday November 26, 2012, 3:09 pm
There is a thread of irony between the Jews and the Palestinians. Even after the establishment of Israel, the Jews were hated in bordering countries, wanting only to live in peace with their neighbors. Today, the only country that has not made their lives a living hell is Iran.
The Palestinians see themselves as victims, and the world should come to their defense, even though the Arab world will not.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Monday November 26, 2012, 4:02 pm
There are so many sad stories - but we must not allow ourselves to be disheartened by them. Instead learn from them. There is always going to be the 'whipping boy' - and it will always be the Jew. We, as a species - will not make progress spiritually or morally - until we change our attitude towards the Jewish people, our indigenous people and those being abused on a daily basis - we are doomed to keep repeating our mistakes. Since we are believers in Reincarnation- 'whatsoever you do to others, shall be done to you'. Best get it right while we can. Karma cometh. Be'ahavat Yisrael.
 

Phyllis Baxter (40)
Monday November 26, 2012, 4:36 pm
There are no 'Palestinians' they are Bedouins and other assorted Arabs and tribes who happened to be in the area during the establishment of the legitimate state of Israel. There was no need for them to evacuate their lands, they were conned into it by the surrounding Arab nations who tried to invade and destroy the newly declared (by the UN no less) state of Israel. The Arabs who stayed have prospered in Israel and do not want to be absorbed into the disfunctional Islamic failed countries surrounding them.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday November 26, 2012, 9:17 pm
(0), "Palestinian" people was invention of Russian KGB. Palestine is a place where many people live: Arabs, Druze, Bedouin, Jews, etc. Arabs just managed to steal the title. it's like one of the European nations calling themselves Europeans, and pretending to be the only natives of Europe.

Nobody lives for 1,000 years, (0). Speaking of the definition UN picked for "Palestinian Arab" refugees: anyone who lived in the terroritory of modern Israel between June 1946 and May 1948, which means TWO years. UN likes making practical jokes to mess up things. Sometimes it looks like it's run by mischievous kids, with some inclination to superstition to Islam.
 

Beth S. (323)
Monday November 26, 2012, 9:19 pm
Thanks, Phyllis and Pat. Also, David, for bringing this issue to the pages on C2NN, a tragically neglected one at that.

Allan, it's not just the people who lived in the geographical area called Palestine. Victimhood is generally a product of an Islamic mindset, rarely taking responsibility and blaming it on everyone else.
 

David Anderson (70)
Monday November 26, 2012, 10:40 pm
I believe some people are missing the point. In the end, it has for some strange reason become acceptable for Moslems to kill others for daring to be of dissimilar religion and worldview, but somehow are simultaneously entitled to righteous indignation if anyone else so much as says anything they find 'offensive' which generally includes most anything which does not constitute praising Allah.
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Monday November 26, 2012, 11:25 pm
Thank you David. This is an important story that is never mentioned. And no one seems to care either. All the leftist rhetoric always centers around the Palestianians, but like David Anderson above says, you'll note that Muslims always claim victim status when, in fact, they are the biggest victimizers in the world, and they never ever apologize for the 270 Million victims murdered by Islam's forced invasions, conquests and occupations of every country that it now dominates over the last 1400 years. Islam teaches that every person that is murdered (non-Muslim, that is) is 'blessed' for being freed from their ugly 'disbelief'.

The Jews have suffered for centuries in every place they have been driven and now they are finally returning to their own homeland even there they are persecuted by the people whose religion commands that they all be killed so their day of resurrection can come. Muslims invaded, conquered and occupied Jerusalem, the Jews' city, even deliberately desecrating the Jews' holiest site, the Temple Mount, by building their Dome of the Rock and al Aqsa mosque and not even allowing Jews to pray on the site. Where is the outrage over this among all the supposedly progressive people? Sickening.
 

Carola May (20)
Monday November 26, 2012, 11:26 pm
A sad story that should be told, but, sadly, isn't. Apparently it doesn't fit in with the PC propaganda of the day.
 

Hilary S. (45)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 12:50 am
the true story of these refugee jewish people has been written out of history.
these days the media prefers a squeaky wheel as fodder material for the ignorant masses, and the palestinian claims, be they true or false or something in between, are very squeaky indeed, though not squeaky clean.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 12:52 am
(0) "each and every war has been started by Israel, not anyone else."
You must be kidding to make up such a blatant falsehood. But I guess you have learned from your friends in the Third Reich that if you tell a big enough lie often enough it will be believed.

1967 Gamel Abdul Nasser said " a state of war has existed since 1948" sounds a bit like Israel has not the country that started the wars.

As to land ownership. all Israelis have the same rights to purchase land the can be any religion or non-religious. Of course in the West Bank and Gaza you have to be a Muslim to own a house or be in government. Yet in Israel Muslims can be in Government or even on the Supreme Court.

No, (zero) your feeble attempt to trivialize the plight of the Jews from Arab countries and the institutional bigotry aimed at Jews in all the Arab lands is not working. History and verifiable facts just keep getting in the way of your story.

If you want to say that the Palestinians under the rule of Hamas are having a bad time I would agree.

Here is what Arab Columnists say " Gaza Is A Pawn On Iran's Chessboard"
'Adel 'Abd Al-Rahman, a columnist for the PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, wrote: "Clearly, Hamas wants to exploit the blood of the martyrs, the missiles that have reached Tel Aviv, Beersheba and Jerusalem, and the arrival of the Arab solidarity delegations – the [delegations headed by] the Egyptian prime minister and the Tunisian foreign minister, as well as the official Arab delegation headed by the Arab League secretary-general – to achieve its narrow sectarian goals, without consideration for the dangers that beset the Palestinian people in Gaza. Furthermore, [Hamas Political Bureau head] Khaled Mash'al, who is the most realistic and reasonable of Hamas's leaders, and Dr. Ramadan Shalah, head of the [Islamic] Jihad movement, are negotiating with Israel via the Egyptian leadership, even though [Mash'al] has no influence on the Hamas leaders inside Gaza and [Shalah] has close ties with the jihad [movements] and with Iran, and as such, is controlled by [Iran's] decisions and orientations. For [Iran], the war in Gaza is like a gift from heaven, because it has forced Israel to focus its attention on the Gaza front and to put the issue of Iran's nuclear program on the backburner. Some might argue that Obama gave Netanyahu and his government permission to crush the resistance in Gaza [just] in order to appease [Netanyahu] and keep him from launching a war in Iran, even if [the war on Iran is delayed] only for a short while..."

Lebanese journalist Khayrallah Khayrallah wrote on the liberal website elaph.com that the Gaza war is a result of Iran's wish to demonstrate its control over Gaza and the Muslim Brotherhood. The hope that Iran and Egypt would come to the Palestinians' rescue, he said, only reflects the breakdown of the Arabs' powers of reasoning:

"The Palestinian people and their cause are nothing but a bargaining chip for Iran. Sadly, some Palestinians believe that Iran is on their side and that it will [help them] get back Jerusalem. Some Palestinians also believe today that Egypt can be counted upon to start a new war in the region, when Egypt... [actually] has other worries having to do with overcoming its deep political, economic and social crisis...

"The Palestinians still dream that some Arabs and Iranians will leap to their rescue. They do not understand that the Iranian missiles in their possession are merely a tool – [a means] by which Iran can [demonstrate] that it has the first and last word in Gaza and that it controls key parts of the Hamas movement, as well as some small [Gazan] organizations...

"This is a breakdown of Arab reasoning, which fails to grasp that the war currently raging [in Gaza reflects] Iran's desire to show the Arabs that it can use the Muslim Brotherhood to realize its goals... Can we say to the desperate Palestinian, who praises the missiles being fired from Gaza, that the only consequence of the war is to draw attention away from the crimes being committed by the Syrian regime against its people? Can we say to all concerned that Iran wants to show the world that it has control over Gaza, that it can cause missiles to be fired on Israel whenever it wishes, and that the Muslim Brotherhood is not outside its grasp, [so] it can exploit it whenever it pleases, regardless of the influence the Egyptians and others have in Gaza?..."

Egyptian journalist 'Imad Al-Din Adib wrote an article titled "Look For Iran In All That Happens" in the London-based Saudi daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat. He stated: "Iran plays a devastating role in the Arab arena while exploiting the regional tensions during the Arab Spring revolutions in order to heat up the region and harass Tel Aviv and Washington, which could eventually lead them to agree to negotiate with Iran on Iran's own terms...

The Iranians follow a simple philosophy: 'Start a fire in the region until the world complains about the flames and [world leaders] come to you asking for your intervention. Then you can bargain with them and receive what you want'...

"Iran wants [to bargain for] three main things: recognition of its nuclear capabilities, not its manufacturing of a bomb; the lifting of the trade and economic embargo; and the restoration of its [relations with the world] and admission into the international community on all levels...

"The countries burned by the fire Iran started now see it as the 'Great Satan,' which ignites the fires of tension in the region... We are [merely] a pawn on the Iranian chessboard, and Iran does not care if the region is set on fire, if its economy is ruined, or if everyone is standing on the brink of a devastating war.

So even the Arab press cannot stand the lies.

No Ms/Mr Zero Israel did not start all the wars and yes the Arab world owes for the Jewish refugees. If you want respect for the Palestinians then you have to respect the Jews as well.
 

David E. (64)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 1:20 am
Sometimes these comments get off on a tangent. The main point of the article deals with the Jews who were throw out of the countries they lived in for centuries. Why discuss the Palestinians? Do those who are pro-Palestinian agree to how Jewish citizens were treated and forced to leave Arab countries? This was true ethnic cleasing after all literally none or at least very few were left. Let's leave the Palestinians out of this equation.
 

Stan B. (124)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 2:59 am
David. They are incapable of leaving the Palestinians out of any argument. Especially when they have absolutely nothing meaningful to say.
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 5:55 am
Even American Jews are ignorant of this tragedy of the Arabian Jews being kicked out of the Arab countries starting in 1920ies and ending in 1967, when Israel stopped another attempt by the Arabs to annihilate Israel. Many of those Arabian Jewish refugees were settled in Israel, and now are making up over half of the Jewish population of Israel. Israel is 75% Jews, 23% Muslims and 2% of Christians, Baha'is, Buddhists etc., in contrast to Arab countries which are Juden-frei and the remaining Christians are leaving in droves, since Islamists are taking over from the secular dictators and making Christian lives impossible and unsafe among Muslims.

The Arabian Jews left land properties in Arab countries in combined area of 5 areas of Israel and lots of other real estate, much more than Arabs in the Gaza and West Bank ever had. West Bank and Gaza Arabs should be relocated into those lands and properties left in the Arab countries by the Jews and complete this partition of Palestine along 1922 First Partition of Palestine, when Arabs got 75% of Palestine as Jordan kingdom. That would be a fair solution (not a two state DELUSION) and then Arabs may give up their delusional desire to annihilate Israel and loot it, since Israel would become defensible from the onslaught of terrorists and Islamist who had been taking over Muslim world and flaming up their delusional Jew hatred ("The Sons of Pigs and Apes": Muslim Antisemitism and the silence of the Western liberals Enough is enough!

Only when Israel becomes defensible and whole may Islamists stop delusional Jew hating agitation against Israel, although in order to stop terrorism and wars, Islamic teachings themselves MUST REFORM to make them compatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Muslims have to stop teaching delusional hatred of the Jews and Kafir (a derogatory term for non-Muslims). See Qur'an http://www.cspipublishing.com/pdfs/ATwoHourKoran.pdf. Islam is a supremacist ideology similar to Nazi supremacist ideology, together with its delusional Jew hatred, pedophilia, polygamy,misogyny, dhimmitude (discrimination against non-Muslims), misogyny and murder for Allahu Akbar. Those teachings of supremacy over Kafir is the ROOT cause of the current days Islamic terrorism, augmented by oil money from Arabs and Iranians. Time to move on and treat this ideology as Nazi ideology and Marxism were overcome and stop white washing Islam using Taqiyya ― Islamic Principle of Lying
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 7:22 am
Margaret,

At the White House loan, the Main Arab Terrorist Arafat swore to forgo terror and become a moderate. He lied, because he did not.

As Rabin was duped into one wishful thinking, he could agree with another nonsense he thought won't cost him anything - calling a group of Arabs residing in West Bank and Gaza "Palestinians". Well, if so - he was wrong. Wrong twice.

Everyone now sees that Arafat was no peace partner, and Arabs from the West Bank are the same Arabs as in Jordan. Different clans - yes, but the same language, same religion, same attitudes toward West, Israel and Jihad.

Of course, Vlasta is right comparing extremists' Islam to Nazi Supremacy:
* UpperMensch vs Dhimmies;
* Kill political opponents, apostates from Islam or anyone paying taxes to western governments;
* The World Caliphate as an ultimate goal, and a war as a tool to achieve it.

Speaking of edication, Margaret, sorry to say, that my is ultimately higher than yours. I am not working as a secretary for a University, racking up $30/hr from poor students under the union cover for a job that costs $15.

the false accusations you made like "Stan, Bob, Carola who actually won't be happy until each and every Muslim is dead" are ridiculous and insulting.

You lump together Islamist extremists and militants with Moderate Muslims, suffering at their hands. This is the plain using of Moderate Muslims as Human Shields, same as Hamas militants use kids on the battle field.
 

Carol Dreeszen (364)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 12:18 pm
Looks like she is in cognito again!!
 

Stan B. (124)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 1:06 pm
Margaret M. With your appalling record of spelling and punctuation mistakes you should be the last person to criticize others.
 

Free G. (4)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 3:26 pm
Bob - Considering you have no idea what I do, it is quite a statement to suggest that whether I am overpaid or not. As for you, he of fake name, and use a squirrel (quite apt I must say) as an avatar, the only think I know about you seems to be that you are quite fond of the "spirits".

If anyone wants to see the thread in its entirety, http://occupycare2.com/archives/27. It is only fair to show the whole representation of the exchange, not just partial.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 3:32 pm
Zero’s assertions; that Israel started all the wars with its neighbors and does not want peace do not gel with the facts or history.

He/she mentions that in 1956 Israel had a choice. They did, they could have been cut off from the rest of the world when Egypt blocked the Port of Eilat and the Suez. This is an act of war by Egypt .

In 1967 Egypt again blockaded shipping and Syria started to divert the Jordan River from its original path. Egypt massed the largest force in Sinai history on the border and declared that a state of war existed with Israel and has existed since 1948. Sounds like Israel did not start that one either.

1973 Egypt attacked in October during Yom kippur, while Syria attacked in the Golan Heights with the largest tank battle since the Battle of the Bulge. Sounds like that war was not started by Israel either. Hmmm.

Could Zero be telling Pory Pies or is he/she just misinformed?

Your comments about land ownership are regarding land in Israel not in the areas of the West Bank or Gaza. Israel pulled out of those areas and ceded governance to the PA and now Hamas in the Gaza. So all the land acts mentioned are non-germane. As to land ownership in Israel, the law does not say Jews, it says Israeli. That can be Jew, Muslim, Christian or Atheist. What are the land ownership rules in other countries? Could a Jew own land in Gaza? Hmmm.....

I take issue with your insults and name calling of the others in this group. Stan is a very caring and active person. Bob has been very patient answering your rants and Vlasta does not deserve the insults that you have made.

Further it is bad form to criticize people for spelling/typos as this is a casual forum not an academic paper. Although it is a casual site, calling people lazy and stupid, is insulting and not in the spirit of the site.
By the way you did mean to say that "Stupidity also a WEEK beginner", not “Stupidity a WEAK beginner? That could be a typo hmmm.... You see what goes around comes around.

Zero, I have noticed in your postings you have always been very careful not to criticize the actions of Hamas or Hezbollah for firing rockets at civilians or the brotherhood for using children for suicide bombing. I think that maybe you do not have a problem with killing and death as long it is Jews that do the dying.

To you the only refugees are Palestinian and the only people that do wrong are Jews. I think I see a trend here.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 3:34 pm
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to David because you have done so within the last week.
 

Free G. (4)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 3:44 pm
Okay Ira, what is the problem with your statements are that they are contrary to what Israeli Jewry, including leadership actually say. So until you can come up with something a little better than what you have thus far, really what you post is completely without any real heft. Unless you can come up something to argue that will counter what Israeli leadership at that time stated, which I had posted above and can be viewed at http://occupycare2.com/archives/27, you have really argued nothing than your own personal, fault recollection of the history.
 

Free G. (4)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 3:54 pm
Ira, I have always claimed for eternity that Hamas is not good governance, nothing I would ever support, but certainly understand why the people of Gaza voted for them. I certainly have NEVER been non critical of Hamas and if you think differently you are out of your gourd.

As for using "bad form" when criticizing, well considering I have been the object of rants full of accusations of self hatred, antisemitism, supportive of terrorism, I think that bad form is definitely allowed. Do you think it is bad form to suggest that people take their children to Pakistan and have their throats slit and be raped? Do you think it is bad form to go one a member's workplace website and post all kinds of accusatory material? So my "good" form went out of the window quite some time ago, yet never reaches the depths of ad hominem attacks of your dear venomous friends present on this thread. Considering you have never once criticized the form of the posters who resort to ad hominem attacks of gargantuan proportions, including the suggestion to allow my children's throats be slit, I think you are a tad hypocritical in your assessment.

Now see, I recognize that I had made a typo and will correct it fault should read as faulty. To make the suggestion that I support "Jews doing the dying", where have I ever suggested rockets, or an assault on a civilian population. Abhor each equally Ira. While you are justifying the unbelievable number of Palestinian deaths, it becomes quite clear that you have no problem with death, as long as it is Palestinians and Muslims.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 6:49 pm
Oh so you are Free G now and not Zero, Glad to meet you.
You know that everything I have posted about the wars that you said were started by Israel were in fact started by Egypt and others.
 

Free G. (4)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 7:18 pm
Well Ira as they always say, "Refute This".

I gather then that Zeev Maoz, Israeli Jew, Professor of Political Science, Director of the International Relations Program, University of California, Davis, Distinguished Fellow, Interdisciplinary Center, Herzliya, Israel. President of the Peace Science Society (International 2007 - 2008), former head of the Graduate School of Government and Policy, Tel-Aviv University, former Head of the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies (1994–1997), former Academic Director of the M.A. program of the National Defense College of the IDF (1990–1994), and former Chairman of the Department of Political Science, University of Haifa (1991–1994) stated regarding Israel's Record Regarding War and Israel's Record Regarding Peace.

Israel's Record on War

"Israel's war experience is a story of folly, recklessness and self-made traps. None of Israel's war with the possible exception of the 1948 War of independence was what Israel refers to as a war of necessity. They were all wars of choice or folly."

Israel's Record on Peace

"Israel's decision makers were as reluctant when it came to making peace as they were daring and trigger happy when it making war. The official Israeli decision makers typically did not initiate peace overtures. Most of the peace initiatives in the Arab/Israeli conflict came either from the Arab word, from the international community or from grass roots or informal channels."

In addition, since 1967 is the point at which this conflict and the parameters surrounding it came to exist, how about the admittance of who started the war in 1967 by Israeli leaders, members of the military who participated in that conflict? Are they also friends of the 3rd Reich Allan?

"In November 1956 we had a choice. The reason for going to war then was the need to destroy the fedayeen, who did not represent a danger to the existence of the state." and;

"In June 1967, we had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches (did) not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him." (former-PM Menachem Begin:1982 Address to IDF College)

As to 1967, the beginning of the occupation:

“I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on 14 May [1967] would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.” (Yitzhak Rabin, 1068)

“The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.” (Mordehcai Bentov)

“We were not threatened with genocide on the eve of the Six Days War, and we had never thought of such a possibility.” ( General Haim Bar-Lev, 1972)

“There was never any danger of annihilation. This hypothesis has never been considered in any serious meeting.” (General Ezer Weizmann,)

“The thesis according to which the danger of genocide hung over us in June 1967, and according to which Israel was fighting for her very physical survival, was nothing but a bluff which was born and bred after the war.” (General Matetiyahu Peled, 1982)

“Israel was never in real danger and there was no evidence that Egypt had any intention of attacking Israel.” He added that “Israeli intelligence knew that Egypt was not prepared for war.”

There was no danger of annihilation. Neither Israeli headquarters nor the Pentagon – as the memoirs of President Johnson proved – believed in this danger.” (General Chaim Herzog)

All those stories about the huge danger we were facing because of our small territorial size, an argument expounded once the war was over, have never been considered in our calculations. While we proceeded towards the full mobilization of our forces, no person in his right mind could believe that all this force was necessary to our “defence” against the Egyptian threat. This force was to crush once and for all the Egyptians at the military level and their Soviet masters at the political level. To pretend that the Egyptian forces concentrated on our borders were capable of threatening Israel’s existence does not only insult the intelligence of any person capable of analysing this kind of situation, but is primarily an insult to the Israeli army. (Peled, June 3, 1982)
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (379)
Tuesday November 27, 2012, 10:36 pm
As Jews, for centuries we have an inborn characteristic of feeling guilty even when we are persecuted and murdered. We never knew how to shout out our pain and seemed to think it was our fault. Since the establishment of Israel, things have changed a bit but we still feel guilty when we are not! We sometimes think: maybe what the whole world is saying about us is true? The other nations, including the Arabs and the Palestinians never stop to think - could we be wrong? Could our actions be wrong? Is all the information we are being fed true? I think that is the Jewish problem and that is why so much pain and persecution haven't been published or accepted as part of history.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 1:06 pm
Free G, I do not have to refute your statements I will let Gamel Abdul Nasser and his friends answer for me.
Quotes by GA Nasser

"There is no sense in talking about peace with Israel. There isn’t even the smallest place for negotiations between the Arabs and Israel."

1 September 1960, President Nasser of Egypt
“If the refugees return to Israel, Israel will cease to exist.”
13 October 1960, Radio Cairo

“We do not deny that we want war. We want war; this is our right. The return of Palestine is impossible without war.”

October 10, 1963
“We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand. We shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood.”

March 8, 1965
In describing the war that will bring about Israel’s liquidation, it is repeatedly emphasize that this will be total war to the death, as stated in the order of the day issued by the Commander of the Egyptian Third Division on February 15, 1956:
“Every commander is to prepare himself and his subordinates for the inevitable campaign with Israel in which we are fully immersed, for the purpose of fulfilling our exalted aim, namely, the annihilation of Israel and her extermination in the shortest possible time, in the most brutal and cruel battles.”

May 15th 1967
“Israel wants to make it clear to the government of Egypt that it has no aggressive intentions whatsoever against any Arab state at all” - Israel’s Prime Minister Levi Eshkol

May 16th 1967
'...I gave my instructions to all UAR forces to be ready for action against Israel the moment it might carry out any aggressive action against any Arab country. Due to these instructions our troops are already concentrated in Sinai on our eastern border. For the sake of the complete security of all UN troops…I request that you issue your orders to withdraw all troops immediately. - written request from Nasser to Commander UNEF (Gaza)

"The existence of Israel has continued too long. We welcome the Israeli aggression. We welcome the battle we have long awaited. The peak hour has come. The battle has come in which we shall destroy Israel." - Cairo Radio
“All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel” - Cairo Radio

May 20th 1967
“Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse any aggression, but to initiate the act ourselves, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland of Palestine.

The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united. I believe that the time has come to begin a battle of annihilation.”- Syria’s Defence Minister Hafez Assad (later to be Syria’s President).

May 28th 1967
“We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel.…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel….The war with Israel is in effect since 1948”. - Gamel Abdel Nasser press conference

May 30th 1967
"The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel ... to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not of more declarations." - Gamal Abdel Nasser speech

31st May 1967
“The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear - to wipe Israel off the map” - President Aref of Iraq
“Under the terms of the military agreement signed with Jordan, Jordanian artillery, coordinated with the forces of Egypt and Syria, is in a position to cut Israel in two at Qalqilya, where Israeli territory between the Jordan armistice line and the Mediterranean Sea is only 12 kilometres wide”. - Al Akhbar, Cairo's daily newspaper

June 1st 1967
“Brethren and sons, this is the day of the battle to avenge our martyred brethren who fell in 1948. It is the day to wash away the stigma. We shall, God willing, meet in Tel Aviv and Haifa” - Radio broadcast by Iraqi President Abdel Rahman Aref

- 11.00 GMT June 1st 1967, Baghdad Domestic Service in Arabic , Foreign Broadcast Information Service
“Those who survive will remain in Palestine. I estimate that none of them will survive.”- Ahmed Shukairy, chairman of PLO in Jordanian Jerusalem, asked in news interview what will happen to the Israelis if there is a war

"When the organs of Arab propaganda raised the contention that Israel is concentrating forces in order to attack Syria, I invited your Ambassador in Israel to visit the frontier to find out for himself that there was no truth in this allegation. To my regret, the Ambassador did not respond to our invitation. The Chief of Staff of the UNTSO checked these claims and informed the Secretary-General of the UN and the capitals of the region that there were no Israel concentrations on the Syrian border. The Secretary-General even included a statement to this effect in the Report he submitted on May 19th to the Security Council."- Levi Eshkol, Prime Minister of Israel, to Russian Premiere Kosygin


I understand that you have an agenda to see the destruction of Israel by trying to delegitimize it. It will not work. Israel is a fact. Now if you really cared about the Palestinians you would be against Hamas that has moved the position from a place of negotiations for land and recognition to one of religious intractability.

I also restate that I have not seen you make any posts condemning the use of terror for any reason. You have said that you did not support it but do you condemn it?

 

Free G. (4)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 3:27 pm
Ira - it doesn't matter what Nasser said, what does matter is what the Israeli leadership believed at the time which is pretty clear from what has been said.

As for what you believe that I condemn and don't condemn is just another way of deflecting from the topic. It is irrelevant what I condemn and don't, especially on a public forum. What I say here, has no impact on anything. Why is it so important for people on Care 2, usually the ones who know essentially nothing, to castigate others for what they do or don't do. What does it matter to you, and why in the hell would you care Ira? You going to go on my work website too, like Gillian, and be really intrusive? You have no idea what I do, what I don't do, just as I don't know what you do or don't. I don't make assumption on what you support based on failure to post on articles which are usually from pretty shabby sources. I am not going to go on a thread featuring demonization of a whole faith based population to "officially" condemn some action of Hamas or Hezbollah. I don't go around making official statements condemning Israel's actions either. The one thing I do is criticize and set the historical record (which is so shabbily bastardized on Care 2 on a regular basis) straight. Stop arguing me, argue the issue at hand.

You can restate whatever you frigging want Ira. The point is later on down the road, when people look back at history, the ones who blindly followed and in many cases fed Israel's insanity are going to be looked at just like the Germans who claimed "I didn't know".

Considering I am not trying to justify anyone's violence, I think it takes a lot of gall for you to give me crap about what you think I haven't condemned. I don't justify Hamas's violence, I don't justify Israel's violence, in fact, I have always promoted dialogue. Talking is always better than violence. So maybe you and the cheerleading section should keep that in mind when you are demonizing a whole population.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 10:05 pm
Free G, I do not condone violence, I have always looked for negotiation over confrontation. However you are right I do not care what you think at all. As to your work website? I have never been to it and I could not give a rats backside where you work or what you do. However what you say or quote determines what you think and who you support.

What you have said though is wrong and demonizing to Israelis and Jews. Supporting Israel and its defense is not being anti-Muslim. I am anti-Hamas as they have made it their stated mission to kill me and my children.

I have lived with Palestinians and worked for them over the years. I have dear friends that are Muslim and Arabs. So I do not cheer war nor am I anti-Islam. When Egypt and Israel signed a peace treaty I was doing business with an Egyptian at the time. We went out and celebrated the end of the madness.

Now the fact that you have said that what Nasser announced as the leader of Egypt and his declaration of war did not matter, only what the Israelis thought mattered is a nonsense statement and shows that you have either no grasp of international relations or you are deliberately throwing misleading statements to cover your errors.

However if you do not understand international relations, let me explain. When a president of a nation masses troops on a border and publicly announces that a state of war exists, The nations are at war. If the Israelis felt that they would win is only that they knew their enemy. The fact that Gamel Abdul Nasser and friends wanted to delude themselves into thinking that they were going to have a massacre of the Jews, it proved to be wrong just points out that they are not just racist bigots but lousy strategist as well.

Their intentions were to kill everyone in Israel and they failed.

As for your absurd reference to supporting Israel is being like the Germans that participated in the Holocaust, is just a further false tactic of propaganda. Israel is not a fascist state but a highly democratic one. If you want to look at the meaning;

Fascism:
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Israel is a Democracy, Israel allows free speech, Israel has anti-Racist laws, Israel has a court system that convicts anyone of terror even Jews.

Fascism sounds like your friends in Hamas and Hezbollah as well as your buddy Assad. There is only one religion ant that is Islam, There is only one party and that is Hamas (aka the Muslim Brotherhood). The use of terror is a standard tool of statecraft. the Economy is owned by Hamas and control is maintained by balaclava wearing, gun carrying bullies that beat up or kill anyone that opposes them.

So do not try that Jews are Nazis lie that Hamas has tried and failed with before. Your, Oh I am not against anybody just bad people technique while you vilify and denigrate is too transparent. No I do not care what you personally think but what you say in this public forum.

I will stand up against what I think is wrong and you are wrong.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Wednesday November 28, 2012, 10:10 pm
So getting back to the original thread. It is a gross omission that there is no recognition of the Jews that were driven out of their homes, terrorized into leaving all they owned to flee for their lives because of Arab violence, bigotry and racism.

They should be compensated by the Arab governments and recognized by the United Nations.
 

Stan B. (124)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 12:25 am
You cannot currently send a star to Ira because you have done so within the last week.

Ira. Your post made complete sense to me.
 

Paula M. (39)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 12:31 pm
An important bit of history that is not as widely known as it should be. Thank you for posting this article.
 
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