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Mormon Church Apologizes for Baptizing Dead Jews


Society & Culture  (tags: abuse, culture, religion, Mormon Church, baptism of the dead, Jews )

Rob and J
- 914 days ago - latimes.com
"Their physical lives were taken, their communities were destroyed and now somebody is coming along, however well-intentioned, and is suggesting that they're going to rebrand their souls"



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patricia lasek (317)
Saturday February 18, 2012, 7:10 am
It's about time! They tried to baptize Simon Weisenthal!
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Saturday February 18, 2012, 7:20 am
Mormons, like many other Christians believe that they MUST proselytize in order to "save" those who did not accept Jesus as their "savior", i,e, Jews and Muslims, although I do not think that there are many who try to do that, since Muslims would behead and stone them ;-)! They do it out of their belief that by baptizing Jews, they will give them a chance to get an "eternal" life after death, which Jews are not very interested in.

Jews are primarily focused on creating good life on Earth, rather than in afterlife, and for this they are despised in Koran, which mocks Jewish LOVE for life, and instructs good Muslims to LOVE after life, i,e, DEATH and martyrdom that gets them into Paradise with 72 virgins. This "martyrdom" sold as a fast ticket to Paradise with 72 virgins to the young horny Muslims and their families is the way terrorist bosses recruit young suicide/homicide bombers to murder Jews, Americans and others. They increase the trap by giving them drugs to numb their natural aversion to death.!

This current Mormon apology to the Jews may be motivated by Mormon Romney wanting the Jewish vote in the Presidential elections.
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Saturday February 18, 2012, 7:21 am
And his parents.
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Saturday February 18, 2012, 7:23 am
Vlasta, at least the Mormons don't want to kill all Jews to bring on the resurrection of the dead :) So that's a step up!
 

Alexa R. (333)
Saturday February 18, 2012, 7:41 am
No soul can be re-branded, how ever well intentioned. Good points Vlasta, Rob&Jay, Patricia!
 

Alexa R. (333)
Saturday February 18, 2012, 7:42 am
At least they have the decency to sincerely apologise!
 

monica r. (41)
Saturday February 18, 2012, 7:51 am
I think each person's faith is their own choice. Who has the right to choose for another? the cultish "Divine Mercy" movement has their hero of St. Faustina who apparently is admired for a death-bed conversion/baptism of a Jewish woman. But evidently the woman wanted to remain Jewish. In any form, "converting" someone, alive, dying, or dead, against their personal wishes is WRONG.

I don't care if it's family. I have family members who would force me to be Catholic if they could. Nobody has the right, nor do I think it would "save" you if you yourself would have rejected it, so it is a pointless desecration of a dead person.

In this case, since these people literally were killed for being Jewish, what are they doing? Do they want to say the Holocaust was about killing Mormons? If they would not reject their faith when it meant life or death, what gives anyone the right to change it after they died literally martyrs to their faith?
 

Emma B (0)
Saturday February 18, 2012, 2:49 pm
This is stunning (there was already an agreement to stop doing this?). I'm not religious myself, so don't really care what Mormons do to/ for me after my death (or prior to it, come to think of it) but can imagine this being deeply disturbing for those of faith.
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday February 18, 2012, 2:56 pm
Alexandra....I'm afraid they would never have apologized, had they not been "OUTED" so widely! They've been doing this for years!...and not just to Jews. They've been doing it to EVERYONE.

It's nonsense, of course...meaningless to anyone except themselves and those who object. As an atheist, it doesn't bother me one bit but, if I were Jewish, I could understand.
 

Phyllis Baxter (40)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 12:46 am
They started on the Catholics first- the Pope stopped them from doing geneology searches in Ireland because they were baptising dead Catholics. Personally I think it's a load of old rubbish and best ignored.

This comment in the LA Times was interesting:

Austin Clark at 8:37 PM February 16, 2012
Okay, I'm a mormon. When we do Baptisims for the Dead for others is does not automatically mean that you are a Latter-Day Saint. It means you have a chance to accept the baptism or not when you are in the spirit world. When we die, our spirits will enter the spirit world and await the resurrection (2nd Coming). Everyone must be baptized in order to enter the celestial kingdom(Heaven). Because baptism is an earthly ordinance, baptisms can be done only by people living on the earth. While we are on the earth, we can help people who have not been baptized by doing vicarious baptisms for them. Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_ac3tWeV3I it is a powerful testimony. I believe in christ. He lives!
 

D B. (4)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 4:25 am
I agree that it is meaningless and best ignored. It is sad that others feel it their mission to control others' beliefs even after they are dead.
 

Carl Nielsen (7)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 4:55 am
Mormons are certainly NOT Christians - not that that makes them bad people or anything - just non-Christian.

It is central Christian doktrine that salvation comes from faith and only from faith - if you accept Jesus as your saviour you are saved - if you dont you arent.

So from a Christian perspective it doesnt make any sense to baptize dead people - and coerced conversion is impossible.
 

Mary S. (1)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 5:22 am
they always apologize when caught.
 

Sandi C. (241)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 5:40 am
NOTED!
 

Christopher Fowler (84)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 1:31 pm
And it just keeps going as it has for centuries. "No heaven for "those" people, because we are right and all of the others are wrong".
That has been the basis for every act that the Christians have committed against not only non-Christians, but also against Christians of other sects.
It is a bad thing when all of them think that they are right and the others are wrong. Makes me wonder if their "segregated" heaven is what they believe it to be and brings up the point that they can't all be right, so what if they are also all wrong? ALL of them.
But worst of all is baptizing ancestors, posthumously. Maybe those ancestors didn't wish to be baptized at all, let alone after they had no voice in the matter.
Posthumous baptisms are disrespectful and dishonest.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 1:33 pm
Vlasta M is almost a parody of herself. I don't know where her hatred comes from. Or actually, I do. It's all those hate sites s/he visits.
 

Robert B. (57)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 1:57 pm
This whole idea of Posthumous baptism is so absurd to begin with. It is also arrogant.
 

marie tc (166)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 3:14 pm
At least they cared I say 10 out of 10 for caring also what incredible faith they have I hope the true one won so who knows I am sure the Jewish God would not close the door if hes there but great if he is not they have got the Methodist.
When I have a big problem a number of my friends of different faiths pray for me I believe in the power of prayer
I believe in one power whatever we want to call them It basically depends on where and what you are born into
 

marie tc (166)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 3:16 pm
Sorry Mormons I called you Methodists as I said I believe in One Power (God) call it what you like. It will be there even for non believers
 

Electra Cy (1005)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 3:48 pm

It was an act of arrogance. :(
Totally wrong.

HUGZ ~ Electra
 

Fred Krohn (34)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 4:57 pm
The two great heresies are any faith claiming to be 'the only universal faith for all' and any faith taking the offencive side in religious war. All gods (or views of gods) are networked into a whole, we can believe each what we want as long as we recognise the right of others to believe in their choice - as long as we all keep the peace. Sports teams selected along religious lines honour the gods and avoid massacring the bystanders and depleting the worshippers. While the LDS church did take an important step in apologising for tampering posthumously with Jews, they need to go much further and fix their ethnic and gender problems.
 

Gloria H. (88)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 7:11 pm
seMy ex husband ( a Mormon) was interested in my family tree. I thought well, cool, maybe there are other branches that may be interested. Then he said he was going to be baptised for them. I hit the roof. My dead ancestors were Catholic and Free Methodist, if they wanted to Mormon they would have been!
I don't believe in Mormonism or Catholicism ( or Free Methodist either) but let the dead alone!!!!! They don't need to be enlightened or "saved".
 

june t. (65)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 10:39 pm
I didn't know they were doing this, so it's news to me. Thanks for the post.
 

Quanta Kiran (65)
Monday February 20, 2012, 2:18 am
Thanks.
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Monday February 20, 2012, 5:43 am
"However well intentioned", you can hug my hemorrhoids! The Mormon Church has intentionally and with forethought re-baptized, without consent of the baptized, Stalin and Hitler to get their evil asses into Heaven.
 

bob m. (32)
Monday February 20, 2012, 6:40 am


There there Johny D; did you loose your Zionist entity toy today?.....well now......but I"m sure you have nothing to hide.......Eh?...Cheer up... you have a nice new field of conversation here to Disperse you sporules in. Be sure to wash that pillow case occasionally will ya?... Ask Mom.
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Monday February 20, 2012, 10:00 am
Mormons, just like most other Christians, are very big on afterlife meetings with all of your relatives. Islam is also very big on afterlife, but there you meet 72 virgins and not your relatives ;-)! Buddhists and Hindus believe in recycling by rebirth in a different body, which depends how good you behaved in previous ;-)!

Jews do not much care for what happens after death, since they are reality oriented, and in spite of claims of the contrary, NOBODY had returned from the putative Paradise to tell how it is.

Proselytizing is foreign to Jews, because belief is an individual matter of choice. Spinoza (who was excommunicated from his Amsterdam community for his thoughts), was a strong proponent of the separation of religion and state. US did a great thing by First amendment and staying away from ANY religion, but leaving it to churches and individuals do whatever they please, if it is not incompatible with the US Constitution.

Islam is not compatible with US Constitution and MUST be reformed. Mormonism had abolished polygamy in order to become compatible with US constitution.
 

Pamylle G. (461)
Monday February 20, 2012, 10:26 am
The height of ARROGANCE !
 

Bill Eagle (32)
Monday February 20, 2012, 10:33 am
I guess Jesus was Baptized by John so the Church won't do him. Then again, John and Jesus's mother Mary were Jews. I wonder if the Church felt a need to baptize them?
 

Carmen S. (611)
Monday February 20, 2012, 10:53 am
thanks for this
 

Allan Yorkowitz (452)
Monday February 20, 2012, 11:44 am
What a probably well meaning, but, twisted act on the part of the Mormon Church.
 

Ken O. (56)
Monday February 20, 2012, 12:44 pm
Jesus, talk about over reach. The Mormon Church isn't wacky enough? How do I get my family on the Mormon equivalent to a "Do not call" list? You know a list that says "Do not Baptize Me, my Wife, or anybody else in my family either dead or alive". And what can we do about it legally if they do?
 

Anthony Hilbert (6)
Monday February 20, 2012, 12:54 pm
I've known about this for years, and thought it was a great joke. If my Viking ancestors get a message in Valhol telling them they've been baptised as Mormons they'll laugh into their ale: they'd probably been baptised back when they were alive, just so they would be allowed to trade with Xians, it didn't bother them.
 

Michael M. (5)
Monday February 20, 2012, 1:54 pm
Typical cults try to convert as many lemmings as possible. And if you get big enough, converting the dead to bring up their numbers is kind of freaky, even for a cult.
 

Hartson Doak (32)
Monday February 20, 2012, 4:03 pm
I do not agree with the practice of baptizing the dead. But, the Mormons are doing what they think is a service for the rest of humanity. They do not want to alone in Heaven. I think this is very nice of them to want to include everyone. As a Baha'i , I have NO need to be Baptized. I am going to Heaven without it. It is too bad that they believe the mission of Joseph Smith was to prepare the way for the Second Coming. But then they missed it like everyone else.
 

Ancil S. (175)
Monday February 20, 2012, 5:18 pm
This is like,totally messed up.They have some nerve.
 

Gloria Morotti (14)
Monday February 20, 2012, 6:16 pm
The world has gone mad today......
 

Glamour Girlcat (28)
Monday February 20, 2012, 7:11 pm
OMG - They're control freaks!
 

Sheila D. (25)
Monday February 20, 2012, 9:21 pm
This is just one of the more bizarre things Mormons do. I mean, really, when you're dead, you're dead. It's a little late to be baptizing someone, whether they were baptized during their life, or not. It's a bad policy; just plain weird.
 

Joan M. (1090)
Tuesday February 21, 2012, 11:11 am
At least the church stood up and apologized, not many would do that, it may have been wrong but it happened, as long as this practice has now stopped lets get over it, there is no going back and undoing what was done.
 

Jonjon Hoy (146)
Tuesday February 21, 2012, 3:42 pm
How in the Hell can you baptize a dead person when their soul is already gone. I knew Morman's were Moron"s. Did they get the Morman Tebernackle Chior to sing at the same time?
 

Beverly C. (0)
Tuesday February 21, 2012, 4:09 pm
AN ODD AND OFFENSE PRACTICE. We all know that being baptized without our approval or permission is not valid, & would be very offensive to most people.
 

Lynne Buckley (0)
Tuesday February 21, 2012, 4:26 pm
About time that they did. This was seriously offensive.
 

Carl Nielsen (7)
Tuesday February 21, 2012, 4:50 pm
One might ponder why so many who dont belive in the teachings of the Mormons are so upset. Essentially what they are doing is meaningless to outsiders and thus incapable of casuing any actual harm.
 

Ray M. (0)
Tuesday February 21, 2012, 4:58 pm
There certainly is something wrong about a religion who does or even thinks about things such as this. They apparently don't believe Jesus, the Christ has done all that is necessary for believers to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. All their praying for the dead or evangelizing the world will NOT get them there.
 

Roger M. (0)
Wednesday February 22, 2012, 8:35 am
Oh, dear. Dreadful.
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Thursday February 23, 2012, 12:21 am
Noted. Thanks.
 
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