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Iran Considers Law to Restrict Women's Right to Travel


World  (tags: Islamic Republic of Iran, Islam, Women, oppression, law, Sharia law, Freedoms, Human Rights, Civil Rights, Islamic Law, abuse )

Rob and J
- 766 days ago - rferl.org
Under Iranian law, women are strictly compromised in terms of rights to compensation & giving legal testimony.They are also bound by a strictly observed Islamic dress & conduct code, which forbids casual contact with males & ordains hair & body be covered



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Rob and Jay B. (121)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 7:07 am
'Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other... So good women are the obedient...As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them & banish them to beds apart, & scourge (beat) them..'.Qur'an 4:34

Revered Islamic scholar, al-Ghazali, who has been called 'the greatest Muslim after Muhammad,' writes that the role of a Muslim woman is to "stay at home and get on with her sewing. She should not go out often, she must not be well-informed...she should take care of her husband... and seek to satisfy him in everything... Her sole worry should be her virtue... She should be clean and ready to satisfy her husband's sexual needs at any moment."

Is it any wonder, with hateful teachings like this (and there are pages of these and worse) in Islam that these repressive, demeaning laws exist in Muslim ruled lands?

Where is the feminist outrage over the demeaning treatment of women and girls in Islamic-occupied countries?
 

Carola May (20)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 7:15 am
Yes, where is the outrage over this human rights black hole?
 

Teresa W. (707)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 7:19 am
Horrible!
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 7:40 am

I've read quiet a lot about the suppression of women, in modern and ancient societies. Below is a very brief summation and is not meant to cover all the details of each of Arabic nor the Iranian societies. The social laws are often in direct contrast with religious laws, even within a theocracy. Women are human beings, all civil and human rights should be an objective, a demand by the International community. Even the clothing women are forced to wear is a dangerous health hazard, very often women can not see properly causing them to trip and fall. If the men have no way of controlling their own sexual impulses than laws and cultural norms need to address the men, not the women.

"The general improvement of the status of Arab women included prohibition of female infanticide and recognizing women's full person hood. Women were generally given greater rights than women in pre-Islamic Arabia and medieval Europe. Women were not accorded with such legal status in other cultures until centuries later. According to Professor William Montgomery Watt, when seen in such historical context, Muhammad "can be seen as a figure who testified on behalf of women’s rights.

The Qur'an, revealed to Muhammad over the course of 23 years, provide guidance to the Islamic community and modified existing customs in Arab society. From 610 and 661, known as the early reforms under Islam, the Qur'an introduced fundamental reforms to customary law and introduced rights for women in marriage, divorce and inheritance. By providing that the wife, not her family, would receive a dowry from the husband, which she could administer as her personal property, the Qur'an made women a legal party to the marriage contract.

While in customary law inheritance was limited to male descendents, the Qur'an introduced rules on inheritance with certain fixed shares being distributed to designated heirs, first to the nearest female relatives and then the nearest male relatives. According to Annemarie Schimmel "compared to the pre-Islamic position of women, Islamic legislation meant an enormous progress; the woman has the right, at least according to the letter of the law, to administer the wealth she has brought into the family or has earned by her own work."

 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 8:04 am
Kit, it would be much better if you would read the Islamic texts instead of the apologists for Islam who spout the propaganda you are meant to hear - and, unfortunately, believe. There are far too many demeaning verses in the trilogy to print here, but here are a few disputing the glorious treatment of women in Islam you have fallen for:

"Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, aportion (sic) equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah."Qur'an 4:11 Where's the 'equality here'?

'Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other... So good women are the obedient...As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them & banish them to beds apart, & scourge (beat) them..'.Qur’an 4:34

'Your women are a tilth (field) for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will...'Qur’an 2:223

"If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death claims them."Qur'an 4:15 What about 'lewd' men?

"Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms & to beat them...Treat women well for they are like domestic animals & they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an."Tabari IX:113

Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate & are stupid."Tabari I:280

Mohammed said: "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)...I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence & religion than you...Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?...This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?...This is the deficiency in her religion."Bukhari 1:6:301


Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'"

Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs & the asses'" (These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife)

Revered Islamic scholar, al-Ghazali, who has been called 'the greatest Muslim after Muhammad,' writes that the role of a Muslim woman is to "stay at home and get on with her sewing. She should not go out often, she must not be well-informed...she should take care of her husband... and seek to satisfy him in everything... Her sole worry should be her virtue... She should be clean and ready to satisfy her husband's sexual needs at any moment."

You want more?

There is much much more. How much do you need from Islam's own scriptures to show you your apologies and appeasement of this ideology of hate and intolerance is wrong? How can you continue to defend this ugly, primitive, hateful tribal barbarism? What's with so many so-called 'feminists' that this is the only woman/girl abusing ideologies that can't be criticized?

So, under the sex slave owning Mohammed and pedophile who 'married' and had sex with a 6 y/o child, infanticide was eliminated and that makes all the rest OK? Well, Adolph Hitler loved animals and was a vegetarian too. So? Should we then defend all of Hitler's hateful ideology and Nazism his new religion (he did after all claim he said and did nothing that his deity 'Providence' didn't tell him to.) No more 'Naziphobia' because some Nazis were nice people and their founder liked dogs?

You have serious reality problems if you think because this ideology isn't worse then we should respect and not criticize it. Let's wait for your next hate attack on Republican and Tea Party tenets. How can you attack those and then defend Islam which is far worse?
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 8:27 am

I do not defend Islam or any religion. You make assumptions, and they are not correct.

I defend that all humans have rights. Read: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
 

Carola May (20)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 9:32 am
Well, Kit, the OIC (the Org. of Islamic Conference made up of the 57 countries dominated by Islam) doesn't recognize the UN Declaration on Human Rights and have their own, the Cairo Declaration. You should google that and see that they reject equal rights for women and children, freedom of religion (Allah forbids any religion to be treated equally with Islam), gay rights (Islam says to kill them) and the freedom of speech (Islam commands death for anyone who criticizes it), freedom of conscience (Islam commands death for anyone who leaves it) and freedom of the press. And adulterers (of course, usually only women) and rape victims are to be killed according to Mohammed. What's to defend here?

The Muslim dominated countries reject all of these human rights because they contradict Islamic/Sharia law. If you care about human rights you'd speak out in opposition to these hate mongers too. Even the Tea Party and GOP don't demand death for gays, rape victims, adulterers, those who leave them or criticize them etc. Yet, you're happy to criticize their tenets.

Last year France and the EU introduced a resolution to stop state sponsored persecution and killing of LGBT people. Virtually every western nations voted for it and every Islamic nation voted against it. And the UN Human Rights Council voted on including LGBT people for protection and every Muslim occupied country's members walked out. Why are they even on the Human Rights Council?
 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 9:40 am
Thank you Carola. Nothing to add to your excellent comment.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 9:55 am
Kit, I like you conclusion that Islam was very progressive comparing to the year 610.

 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 9:57 am
Green star to you, Kit, is on the way. I still can't stop laughing...

 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 10:37 am

So a good document that does recognize human rights should be ignored because the countries most guilty of egregious human rights atrocities does not follow the ideals? The first element in human rights must be that women are recognized as equal in every way. I'll not bother you again, I should have known better, this is not a discussion.

Bob either learn to read - or stop making a fool of yourself. Never mind, I rather enjoy those who display their stupidity for all to see.
 

Beth S. (334)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 10:59 am


I wish someone would tell the VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIM "misunderstanderers of Islam" that women's rights are important, because Islamists -- the guys who bring and enforce Sharia -- in most every country where there's a critical mass of Muslims -- Women's Rights, along with a lot of other rights -- go to hell.

There's HUGE disparity on what islamic PR says about itself and the reality for untold hundreds of MILLIONS of women -- Muslim and non-Muslim alike.

Apologists for Islam like to push the pro-islam propaganda and often don't realize the deep and vast extent to which it is blatantly false in practice.

Human rights in islam FAIL MISERABLY by a modicum of standards today in the civilized world.
 

Lee Hampton (15)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 11:07 am

Thanks, Rob and Jay, for posting this. Iran is just one of many, many Islamic countries where women's rights disappear faster than you can blink your eyes.

The wonderful Islamic Republic of Iran is now also restricting the ability of women to get a university education. More Islamic Enforcement goon squads are forcing to push women's head gear back up to the forehead, because you know, a little bit of women's hair showing might force Muslim men to grope and rape the women.

Iran and Muslim countries around the world are destroying almost ALL rights for women, children and the list goes on.

And many people desperately don't want to see it or admit it, because it doesn't fit in with their take on unreality.
 

Patricia Martin (19)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 11:10 am

Thanks R&J. This story needs to be told. The liberal press grossly whitewashes the truth about Islam and the rights of women and others.

Petrodollars have a way of buying whatever their possessors want the world to be told.
 

pam w. (191)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 12:48 pm
"From 610 and 661, known as the early reforms under Islam, the Qur'an introduced fundamental reforms to customary law and introduced rights for women in marriage, divorce and inheritance. By providing that the wife, not her family, would receive a dowry from the husband, which she could administer as her personal property, the Qur'an made women a legal party to the marriage contract.

While in customary law inheritance was limited to male descendents, the Qur'an introduced rules on inheritance with certain fixed shares being distributed to designated heirs, first to the nearest female relatives and then the nearest male relatives. According to Annemarie Schimmel "compared to the pre-Islamic position of women, Islamic legislation meant an enormous progress; the woman has the right, at least according to the letter of the law, to administer the wealth she has brought into the family or has earned by her own work."

+++++++++++++++++ And how long did that last? is ANY of this still followed in ANY Muslim country? I'm afraid they've found a way to ignore these lofty principles....
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 1:59 pm
Islam has NO rights for women and again what actions say are much louder than words!!
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 2:05 pm
I defend that all humans have rights. Read: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Kit..Do you REALLY think the Muslim Brotherhood gives a sh*t about human rights!? If you do better think again and they are the ones who have the superior hand today in Islam!
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 6:14 pm
Iran is not going forward - but backwards. The Shah was not perfect but at least he recognised a woman's rights to an education, travel, wearing of westernised garments etc.
 

Imran A. (10)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 8:24 pm
I'm glad to see so many people schooled Kit B., as she is so blinded by her wanting to believe Islam is good because she can't bring herself to accept that Islamic teaching is that bad.

Kit, telling yourself the car speeding directly at you isn't going to hit you because you don't want to believe a driver would hit you doesn't stop the car from hitting you. And this doesn't just apply to Kit. She unfortunately represents so many Westerners who parrot Islamic propaganda without opening their eyes to what Islam really teaches based on the Qur'an and Sunna, and to what real Muslims practice based on those teachings.

Muhammad raping a 9 year old girl (thinking calling her his wife Aisha makes it OK) sets the whole tone for Islam. How can Islam possibly elevate the status of women when it robs then of status from little girls? In Sura 4:24 - Muhammad's Allah (and Shari'a / Islamic law is based on them) condones the rape of female slaves! They are considered property, the spoils of war. The same with Sura 33:50. This elevates the status of women? I wish I could include pictures in my post to show Muslim woman being hosted up by a crane with a rope tied around her neck...and her crime in Islam? BEING RAPED!!!!!!!!! Let me state that again in case people like Kit missed that - the hung woman's crime was BEING RAPED!!!!!!! This is based on the Islamic teaching, based on its false prophet Muhammad requiring 4 male witnesses for a claim of rape to be valid. Kit, you like Islam so much? If you witnessed the raping of your mother or sister (God forbid) and you went to the police in an Islamic country like Pakistan, your word means NOTHING! if you and 10 of your female friends witnessed the rape, your words combines would mean NOTHING!!! The words of 1000 women witnesses would mean NOTHING because the requirement for valid testimony to rape is 4 male witnesses. This is how Muhammad elevated the status of women?

One of the biggest lies about Muhammad (and there are so many lies to choose from) is he was a champion for women's rights. His first wife Khadija was businesswoman before Muhammad's claim to prophethood. How rampant could female infanticide have been and how anti-woman could pre-Islamic Arabia have been if Khadija didn't just grow up, but was a successful businesswoman? This Islamic propaganda of Muhammad is just another lie to distract from his misogynistic view of women.

A husband being allowed to beat his wife or wives if he simply fears unruliness in her or them somehow elevates the status of women, giving them dignity? Muhammad and his Allah think so in Sura 4:34.

While in this Sura on women, let's look at 4:43, in which a) touching a woman is equated with going to the bathroom and having no water to wash, or being sick and b) dirt is cleaner than a woman because rubbing your hands in dirt purifies a man after touching a woman to now make his prayers acceptable to his Allah. This elevates the status of women?

Let's get back to rape for a minute because I don't think enough can be said about that. Muhammad didn't just encourage his men to rape their slaves, he mocked them for pulling out before they ejaculated. His demonic male followers actually had more ethics than their false prophet because they pulled out before ejaculating. Muhammad told them to go all the way and ejaculate inside the female slaves, and who cares if they got pregnant. Here is just one of the copious references from the most authoritative book in Islam after the Qur'an, Sahih Bukhari:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection." (Volume 7, Book #62, Hadith #137)

Kit, this is how Muhammad, his Allah and his Islam elevates women??????? How deluded can you be? This isn't just some renegade Muslim who did it once sometime in the past, this is Muhammad (the perfect example to be followed by all Muslims according to 91 references in the Qur'an) who says it is perfectly fine to rape and impregnate women slaves! Oh yeah, going back to exegesis of Sura 4:24, to rape and impregnate a married slave woman while her husband was right there!!!!!

The only thing that gets elevated concerning women in Islam is a man's penis!!!!!!!

If you favor Islamic teaching so much, if you believe it honors women so much, please move to a Shari'a law country and enjoy. When you get raped, especially if you don't convert to Islam, don't try running to the police. You'll end up like 75% of the women in Pakistan's prisons who are there because they were raped. or you may encounter one of the 90,000 Pakistani soldiers who raped 250,000 women in the Bangladeshi war. I don't wish it on you Kit, but if you like Islam so much and think it elevates your status as a woman, please love to an Islamic country and leave the USA to freedom-loving people like me and so many others who posted here who are bringing awareness to the evil, oppressive teachings inherent in Islam, all based on Muhammad and his Allah.
 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 10:25 pm
Kit, you're missing the point. We are defending the UN Declaration on Human Rights. It is Islam and Muslim ruled countries that don't and that is what we are criticizing! How much clearer can we be? Islam opposes everything that human rights stand for, except for Muslim men to own women as sex slaves and control women's lives, abuse children, murder gay people and anyone who criticizes or leaves Islam and victims of rape. You're not paying attention if you think we are against the Human Rights Declaration.
 

Imran A. (10)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 11:48 pm
@ Kit - I think your passion in your writing is evident to all, and I find your passion commendable, but misguided into defending Islam when if you really stood for freedom and really cared about Muslims, particularly Muslim women, you would join the effort to expose Islam and free Muslims from its tyrannical, hateful teachings based on Muhammad and his Sunna, and protect and free non-Muslims from it as well. I hope the day comes when your eyes are opened and you join the side of true liberals, those who want the liberty to be free, have freedom of choice and lives their lives, and want that for others as well.

You remind me of Saul in the Bible before he became Paul. Saul was killing Christians thinking he was serving God. His passion was not wrong, but how he manifested it as Saul was the problem. You don't see it now, or see it and are in denial, but you are killing people by doing the work of Islam, helping it survive and thrive at the expense of the lives of Christians, Jews, and non-Muslims in general, and even Muslim girls and women, and Muslim boys and men too. Hop over to sites like Persecution.org and TheReligionOfPeace.com to see real Islam being practiced at the expense of people. The nearly 20,000 terrorist acts committed by Muslims in the last 11 years alone are not by "extremists" but by true followers of Muhammad based on the Qur'an and his Sunna. The rape, torture and murder of little girl and boy Kuffar in the name of Islam is Islamic, not deviation from Islam. Don't stick your head in the sand Kit, please. You don't do yourself or anyone else good in doing so, except for the Muslim supremacists who wish to cut that head of your off if you don't bow to Islam. I think you have a talent for writing and for one would like to see your head remain on your body...but have that head, the brain within and the passion within your heart to be used to defend life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness from political Islam instead of (unknowingly) speeding the end of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness by being an avenue for Islamic propaganda which has the goal of implementing Shari'a law worldwide and abolishing all non-Allah belief systems, which included "man-made" democracy.

Understand that when I say freeing Muslims from Islam, I am speaking from personal experience. Half of my family is Muslim. The Pakistani woman with whom I fell deeply in love is Muslim. So don't think when I write with the passion I do it is by any means out of hatred of Muslims; it is out of love for them. It is the hateful Islam I am trying to rescue them from.

I hope one day you will truly join the side of freedom of speech and thought, human rights, animal rights (pretty much no animal rights in Islamic countries) instead of your current writings which are conducive to the destruction of said freedoms and rights.
 

Tommy S. (11)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 12:08 am
Even in the UK you are not allowed to let your domestic animals wander freely.
so if you accept the fact that old mo himself likened women to domestic animals, they must of course be subject to restrictions
 

John J. (0)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 12:31 am
@ Rob and JayB you state
"Kit, it would be much better if you would read the Islamic texts instead of the apologists for Islam who spout the propaganda you are meant to hear - and, unfortunately, believe. "

There are in this world realists and delusionists -- the realist sees what is happening , the delusionist sees what they wish were happening. It is almost impossible for the delusionist to see reality
Look at islam --Universally murdering,raping, maiming (family members included) like it was still the 7th century-- all in the name of their cult ----- completely off the radar of the delusionist

 

Ira Herson (13)
Friday November 23, 2012, 3:57 am
I think it should be noted that yes Islam was a revolutionary idea in 610 but is has stayed in the mindset of the medieval and is now at odds with the post modern society. That is why the west is so despised. The west grew and the Islamic world stayed put.

Iran is on the UN council for Human Rights and chairs the council on woman's rights.

It should also be noted that there are 1.500,000,000 Muslims in the world. with just 10% being fundamentalists that is around 150,000,000 people that want to see all non Muslims dead or converted.
 

Gene Jacobson (256)
Friday November 23, 2012, 8:05 am
"Feminist movements have become very large, very active in Iran. Women are fighting for equal rights. Equal rights are the first pillar of democracy," Ebadi says. "So the government is using different ways to create restrictions for women."

I really hope this is true and that they can force change from within as that is the only hope Islamic women have for freedom and equality under their male rulers. I recall seeing an interview with a British woman and her husband living in Iran not long after the Shah fell. She said she had no restrictions imposed on her and didn't expect any. I have often wondered over the years about her, how things turned out, if she and her husband stayed or went back to Britain - if they were able. Those first heady days free of the Shah looked bright for many Iranians, I know. But they really traded one devil for another. The Persian people are wonderful, how is it they have been weighted down for so long with horrendous rulers? It is the women I fear for, feel for, throughout the middle east and the coming horrors in Afghanistan when the Taliban resumes control. In every country in the world, women are making huge strides and contributing greatly to their societies, everywhere but where Sharia is the law. None of us are free until all of us are. This is not something we can look the other way on, we have to use our influence as best we can to protect and advance the cause of women in those lands where they are still chattels not people. I hope we do.
 

Hilary S. (45)
Thursday November 29, 2012, 5:00 pm
that's progress for you. retrograde progress in the case of iran - and back they go into some dark age. it didn't take long for iran's human rights decline - a few decades really. does that mean positive change can happen that quickly too, with strong benevolent leadership?
what a cock-eyed optimistic moment that was!
 
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