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VIDEO: Sarah Palin's Witch Hunting Pastor


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: mccain, palin, church, witch, hunter, pastor, republicans, politics, elections, government, bizarre )

Tom
- 2191 days ago - youtube.com
Alaska Progressive radio host Shannyn Moore talks with Countdown's Keith Olbermann about the recent revelation that Pastor Thomas Muthee, a witch hunter, delivered 10 sermons about his exploits at Sarah Palin's church, the Wasilla Assembly of God, in 2005



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Jeramie D. (5)
Saturday September 20, 2008, 11:53 pm
How could Mc Cain have picked this woman? Please watch this video. How can this be happening to us and why?????
 

Laura H. (888)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 12:10 am
PALIN IS ONE VERY SCARY EVIL WOMAN!!!!!! Thanks Tom!! I am sending this to family and friends!
 

Tom M. (819)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 3:21 am
A Brief History of Witches

Outbreaks of witchcraft hysteria, with subsequent mass executions, began to appear in the early 1500s. Authorities in Geneva, Switzerland burned 500 accused witches at the stake in 1515. Nine years later in Como, Italy, a spreading spiral of witchcraft charges led to as many as 1000 executions.

Over the 160 years from 1500 to 1660, Europe saw between 50,000 and 80,000 suspected witches executed. About 80% of those killed were women. Execution rates varied greatly by country, from a high of about 26,000 in Germany to about 10,000 in France, 1,000 in England, and only four in Ireland. The lower death tolls in England and Ireland owe in part to better procedural safeguards in those countries for defendants.

From June through September of 1692, nineteen men and women, all having been convicted of witchcraft, were carted to Gallows Hill, a barren slope near Salem Village, for hanging. Another man of over eighty years was pressed to death under heavy stones for refusing to submit to a trial on witchcraft charges. Hundreds of others faced accusations of witchcraft; dozens languished in jail for months without trials until the hysteria that swept through Puritan Massachusetts subsided.

The medieval church had created myths about witches to convert the followers of the old nature based religions to the churches way of thinking. By making the Witch into a diabolical character and turning the old religious deities into devils and demons, the missionaries were able to attach fear to these beliefs which aided in the conversion process.

The Enlightenment, beginning in the late 1680s, contributed to the end of witch-hunts throughout Europe. The Enlightenment brought empirical reason, skepticism, and humanitarianism, each of which helped defeat the superstitions of the earlier age. The Enlightenment suggested that there was no empirical evidence that alleged witches caused real harm, and taught that the use of torture to force confessions was inhumane.

Here we are, 300 years later, with George W. Bush advocating torture to force confessions from people who have languished in jail for years without trials. We have Sarah Palin advocating witch-hunts by her pastor to convert people to Christianity using medieval church practices. Pastor Thomas Muthee created fearful hysteria in a mob of 200 people and ran a woman he called a witch out of town after she refused to "save herself" by becoming a Christian.

Religious intolerance and prosecution is one of the main reasons America's first settlers came here from Europe. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. Webster's Dictionary defines "witch" as "a practitioner of Wicca." Wicca is a recognized religion. The Department of Defense statistics estimate there are 1,800 Wiccans active in the U.S. military. The U.S. government recognizes there are no second-class religions in America, including among our nation's veterans. Maybe someone should tell that to Sarah Palin.

A Brief History of Witchcraft

Wikipedia: Wicca

What Is Wicca?

U.S. To Allow Wiccan Symbols On Military Graves

Wikipedia: The First Amendment
 

Clever Pseudonym (176)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 4:06 am
I'd rather just have a witch trial for Sarah, even with the lipstick she looks like a witch to me.
 

Mari 's (1364)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 6:22 am

Thanks Tom! Support your local witch! No burning witches!! Come into the pagans group located on my profile to learn the truth about Witches, Wiccans, Pagans, Neopagans etc...



 

Ceci Blaugrane (563)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 6:40 am
She's far too evil to be a witch. Witches were / are kind to their familiars, such as wolves, whereas Mrs. Palin just aims to murder and maim them.
 

Joycey B. (750)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 6:43 am
This woman is just pure evil. A terrible VP choice. More comes out on her everyday. Thanks Tom.
 

Margaret Trainor (61)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 7:03 am
I listened to an interview on thursday regarding this minister and Sarah Palin. And the witch hunt in Africa and the poor woman who was accused and eventually run out of her own home and village, barely escaping with her life. The media made a large deal regarding Mr Obama's pastor I am hoping they in turn will investigate this woman's pastors . The interview also covered Ms Palins views on birth control and abortions for rape and incest victims was very interesting and without the typical American hype...Anyone wanting to listen to this interview which was very informative can go to the cbc website www.cbc.ca
 

Jan J. (32)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 7:08 am
This just gets scarier and scarier.
 

JSun GateKeeper (514)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 7:14 am
When you vote, remember that this woman will be a heartbeat away from the presidency, and I fear the dark ages will be upon us again IF we let that happen.
 

Mari 's (1364)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 7:30 am


Sarah isn't just an animal killer she's a human killer too! She is going to create massive histeras, panic and Propaganda!


How can someone who claims to be SOOOO Pro Life do SOOOO much killing?

Hypocracy!!

What else is she hiding???

 

CallCongress WriteObama (162)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 7:30 am
Just when you think it can't get worse, it suddenly does.

-endangered her child by traveling 13 hours from Dallas to Alaska after her water broke to have child on Alaskan soil
-denies abortion rights to rape victims
-had police dept. policy of charging rape victims for their exam kits
-aerial gunning of wolves
-pray out the gay
-creationist, dominionist, armageddonist lunatic fringe religion (I'm not going to call it Christian cuz it ain't)
-witch hunting pastor

What's next?
 

Lauren Landaw (3)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 8:04 am
I am not a Christian but if there is a God he is deffinatly rolling his eyes at this woman If she wants to revert back to the days of witch hunting lets just take it a few more steps back and hope Zeus shoots some lightning bolts at her ass
 

Juliette Calderone (91)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 8:11 am
This is very concerning .

I am speachless nearly. Muthee is a challenged man who Palin should have little to do with. Violence Against women is a problem, she should be aware of this . Please may she not be elected in to Office in America.

Thankyou Tom for the informative news. Your information on witches was very interesting .
 

. (0)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 8:22 am
This is beyond horrible! And it's not just her...there's a lot of ignorance, hatred, and bigotry in this country (and the world). Thank you for the posting Tom, and the links also.
I'm still trying to comprehend Clever's comment: "even with the lipstick she looks like a witch to me" (???)
 

Lana Terese (373)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 8:28 am
This election it's gonna be real hard to decide who's the lesser of the evils, to put in charge of our country. Get a taste of religion, lick a witch! :)
 

Marion Y. (322)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 8:50 am
Certain religions created the negative terminology and image of witches. In the Dark Ages, women who were independent; decided not to marry; stood up to men; did not go to church or align with religion/Christianity; used food, herbs and alternative methods for healing the body and mind; assisted or performed abortions; practiced astrology and other 'occult arts'; respected the seasons for cyclic activities; went against the established norms of the day; or just didn't look right were outed, accused of being evil and even tortured and murdered as witches.

Just as Christianity today says the occult arts and certain practices are evil, it is designed to control the masses into their capitalistic, greedy world and keep people ignorant of a world where they can best serve the world in a healthier, more spiritual way. Face it, if too many people aren't Christians, there's less money for the church and the politicians whose agenda works hand in hand today as in the days of the Roman Empire.

Don't get me wrong: if Christianity actually was delivered and practiced the way Christ delivered his message, it would be perfect. But it is not. That is why Christ had to be assassinated (like many messengers and leaders have been throughout history). Christian leaders cannot have people like Christ telling them they don't have to go to church and give up their hard earned money to the greedy pastors and politicians. They can use that money to help their neighbors and local cities. They can self-govern and lead good, honest, contributing lives without the church or government telling them what to do.

The church and politicians of the day HAD to get rid of Christ because if they didn't, they would have to get off their arses and do real work like the rest of the people, instead of running cons games which continue today. At least then they would know where their money is going. How can one be a Christian on Sunday, yet be a racist, sexist, biased, arrogant, corrupt, greedy, selfish, immoral, lying, unethical heathen tomorrow, and still come back the following Sunday and be 'saved' for the week's digressions? Something is critically wrong with this picture. We can't have it both ways.

Today, the majority of women in the US would be considered witches. My ex-husband often referred to me as a witch because of my intuition, independent thinking, questioning mind, refusal to attend church or buy in to traditional religion, always helping others in need without pay (he is ambitious and self-serving), use of alternative healing methods and ability to "see through people" as he called it. He often said "you scare me."

Thank God I didn't live in the Dark Ages. But I fear the rise of Sarah Palins' in this country and the world would have me and most women running for our very lives.

Fact is, I was raised as a Christian, went through all the requirements of the Roman Catholic faith, graduated from a Christian university and studied the good, bad and ugly of all religions. Frankly, I have a better grasp and understanding of religion than most Christians and many of your storefront preachers. After college, I decided to live by my own religion, practicing in my own way in private. I believe religion is a personal, private spiritual experience that is not shared with others, or worn on one's shirt as a badge proving how good and decent we are. Rather, I believe a person's everyday actions tell others what we are about. My form of religion has been to teach, share and help others whenever I can.

True religious leaders have studied religion, have a REAL calling to serve, are aligned more with the poor and working class citizens, and would never support the Republican Party as it is today, and definitely would RUN FROM the neocons as fast as they can because they represent everything diabolically opposed to what Christ (the man) represented. The majority of US pastors have sold out to the destructive, greedy, capitalistic platform of the Republican/neocon agenda that has destroyed this nation and threatens the world.

Whatever beliefs people hold, the religion of Sarah Palin is fraudulent, corrupt and based on Dark Age thinking that has regressed this nation to a frightening stage. It is a religion that grips the congregation into worshiping a God that is greedy, racist, hates the planet, people, animals and everything good in general, is corrupt, lies freely, feels it is superior and entitled, arrogant, ignorant and whose ego knows no limit to its desire for power and money. It is a religion that has lost its soul and its way.

Every single woman in America should be frightened to death of Palin rising to control this nation. Our bodies, sexual preferences, belief systems, healthcare, security, the quality of foods we eat, the way we raise our children, our quality of education, the quality of the air we breathe, and more will be subject to the rigid, biased whims of a Palin/McCain (yes, in that order) government. Every single man will be at even more risk because of the backward belief system of Palin, and the even more backward greed and nonthinking of McCain.

I don't even like to use the term 'witch' because I believe it was created and imaged by Christian leaders back in the day who were corrupt then and just as corrupt today. This is not to offend Christians in general. It is to say that many innocent people are listening to Christian leaders with an agenda that has nothing to do with them, except for the donations and contributions that sustain the church's lifestyle. If your pastor lives better than the average middle class American, he or she is highly questionable.

The term 'witch' should be applied to women like Sarah Palin. They are evil and should be avoided at all cost.
 

Marian D. (57)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 9:05 am
Sorry. I think Obama is a far scarier choice. If you are going to pull out the connections to preachers, you had better take a close look at his 20 year history with Jeremiah Wright, the white hating man who retired and moved into a gated, mostly white community. Obama refuses to condemn Wright even though he said we deserved the 9/11/2001 carnage in New york. He (Obama) still associates with extremist groups--and have you investigated how he managed to go through one of the most expensive law schools in the country? Do you realize how little experience he has? Do you know he was the 2nd or 3rd largest recipient of support funds from the now troubled Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae? Palin is far less scary! At least you won't hear her say, "God-damn America" the way Wright did!
 

Mari 's (1364)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 9:11 am

The United States Of America is a Christian Nation...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of Religion. or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedome of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for the redress of grievances.

~ First Amendment to the US Constitution....


McCain - The US Is a Christian Nation

http://www.care2.com/news/member/577339509/885742




 

Mari 's (1364)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 9:19 am

Sarah Palin and the Rapture

Anyone who believes in the Rapture scenario will likely interpret a catastrophic nuclear exchange as the opening scene of the Rapture. Are Americans ready to sleep at night with a President who longs for the Rapture?

http://www.care2.com/news/member/763333740/885703

 

ROBIN M. (312)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 9:41 am
wierd lady, wierd beliefs, but it it is a pretty good likeness of her you found up at the top looks just like her.
 

Marian D. (57)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 9:42 am
I'm assuming you all think it's okay to have a president with past AND present extremist friends. Friends who want to see the United States ruined and/or destroyed. Sorry. I disagree.
 

Marcla G. (108)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 9:46 am
Thank you Tom. And Lana, rotf!!!! Marion, thank you too.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 9:49 am
What Palin reads is indicative of her philosophy. In her acceptance speech, Palin quoted domestic Nazi, Westbrook Pegler. Why does she read and value his philosophy?

"" ... In her convention speech ... Sarah Palin quoted an unidentified “writer” who extolled the virtues of small-town America: “We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity.” (9/3/08) The unidentified writer was Westbrook Pegler (1894-1969), the ultraconservative newspaper columnist whose widely syndicated columns (at its peak, 200 newspapers and 12 million readers) targeted the New Deal establishment, labor leaders, intellectuals, homosexuals, Jews, and poets. ... "

It might be worth asking Palin for a tally of the other favorites from her reading list.

 

Maria V. (60)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 9:50 am
Wow! Tough choice... Vote for Rev. Wright or Palin's pastor.

I will vote for Palin's Pastor lol, I mean McCain/Palin 2008

It does not take a pastor or a witch to tell you that under Bush we have been safe.

Obama has evil friends and associates ... you want to see a real witch hunt? Vote for Obama and his extremists religious fanatics.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 9:59 am
Marian...I totally agree. Wright was wrong to say, 'God damn America'.

He should have said...

"America has damned itself."
 

Marian E. (152)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:03 am

Maria V., you are a friend of mine and I am sorry to have to tell you
that I don't agree with you. I don't feel safe and I know my son
who had enlisted in the Army before Bush took office was harmed.
He served several tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. Came home
with an injury and most important, an injured mind. I don't think
he will ever be the same as he was when he left, and I don't believe
we had any business in either place. I KNOW it was all about the dollar
and oil and never about our security. That alone made us vulnerable.

As for our economy, Bushco and the Republican policies including
deregulation have taken our economy from thriving (when Clinton
left office) to total devastation. Americans aren't safe, they are in
grave danger of losing everything and having nothing.

(Perhaps it would help if we brought everyone home tomorrow
and quit funding the wars. Think of the savings that could be
used to put our financial situation right.)

Thank you Tom.

 

Maria V. (60)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:09 am
Marion,

Yet, millions of people, fight, lie, use fraud, kill, and sadly died in their struggle to move to America the country you call damned.

Last I look, unlike other state countries, the patrol guards are trying to keep people from entering NOT leaving.

You are not force to suffer ... you are welcome to live in a less "damned" country - Good luck.

May I suggest, Iran, China, Cuba, Venezuela or North Korea...
 

Maria V. (60)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:15 am
Marian, I am sorry to hear that about your son. My nephew served in the front lines too in Iraq, but he was not physically harmed. Mentally, to early to tell. But he is proud, and offer to serve another tour.

I agree bring every one home.

But we have not been hit on our soil for a reason.
 

Morgan Griffith (225)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:17 am
I'm willing to bet that there will not be anywhere near as big a deal about this association as there was about Obama's association with anything Muslim or Rev Wright. What does that say about the state of fear in the United States. When did Muslims become the pit bulls of the human race? What happened to tolerance? Not all, in fact most Muslims do not advocate terrorism.
 

Marian E. (152)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 10:47 am

This gets even better...That last comment was posted to a different story of Tom's.

(Glitches, a way to make life even more frustrating.)

Thanks Tom.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 11:30 am
Maria, Iran is out because it's on Bush's list of innocent countries to attack, murder millions of people and take over their resources. No thanks! But Venezuela sounds like a place to relocate to. They have a decent healthcare system for all citizens, and when Chavez takes over companies, he doesn't leave taxpayers holding the tab to pay through generations of Americans. By the way, we are seriously considering relocating to a more humane country. But frankly, the world is becoming smaller, more dangerous and polluted, thanks in large part to America.

As far as being safe, America is bankrupt and vulnerable and we are far, far from safe. Other countries are less trigger happy and they know an attack on the US would start WWIII. Most of these countries have gone through war and see it as the absolute last option. I don't think they are afraid of America anymore. I believe they are simply being pragmatic and waiting until they are forced to fight or attack. Bush/McCain are pushing their buttons. Having been tuned to world events and watching the strategic moves of our so-called enemies, an attack on this country is closer than you realize. Rather than say it won't happen here, I pray daily that it won't.

Although America still has big guns to wage wars, they have sold other countries heavy duty weapons, including our so-called enemies. Still doing it. And I seriously doubt this country will defend its middle and lower classes. Few if any countries still respect America, and most despise us. No, I don't feel safe at all. Unless you earn over $500,000 per year or more (give or take depending on your debt to income ratio), Bush/McCain will not be protecting you from terrorist attacks. They will be protecting the assets and resources of the wealthy FROM the middle class, poor and outside terrorists first and foremost.

And while I admire our soldiers who have fought bravely (I myself am a 20-year vet and love this country), I think it is criminal they come home to less benefits, no jobs and crippling diseases (nuclear dust) due to Bush/McCain. On top of that, to send our soldiers to fight an illegal war that is immoral and monstrous.

Bush/Republicans have succeeded in controlling this nation simply from the brainwashed, ignorant citizens and through strategic theft of elections. As Gandhi said, "Democracy? That would that would be a good idea." Through our ignorance and arrogance, this nation is now a fascist nation, providing corporate welfare to big business, leaving a nation of slaves who don't even realize they've been ripped off, and using innocent men and women to die for their dreams of power and glory.

 

Marian E. (152)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 11:57 am

Just so you don't think I'm a total loon, the very last comment that I posted here
was in response to a comment that appeared here and now is gone. Ignore the
last comment (and this one too for that matter).

Sorry Tom.

 

Margaret Trainor (61)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 12:01 pm
Maria perhaps you need to be reminded that it was under the Bush/Cheney administration that America was attacked ...so why do you think you are safer with these people in office???
 

Douchey McBaggerson (9)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 12:17 pm
Republican Party: Now with 75% more nuts.
 

Maria V. (60)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 12:24 pm
Marion, it is regretable and it pains me to say this...

But if people that share your same disdain for this country - would relocate else where - it will open up the border for immigrants that pray to live here.

I am an immigrant and naturalized citizen. I traveled extensively, I lived in Europe, the Middle East and Latin America.

And in this small world there is no where that compares with the freedom and quality of life like America.

I have seen grocery shelves go barren as they ration under a socialist government

I have waited months to see a doctor, even when I had the money to pay my way

As a woman I been treated as second class, or/and viewed as some one's property.

I have seen people in civilian clothing throw up against a wall and shot for speaking their mind against the government by the government police.

My ex husband as a youth had to make his way to school stepping over dead bodies, and had to flee to the US to avoid becoming a forced child soldier at 14 years old.

I did not finish college, never was in one place long enough.

However, In America, I earned $30.00 an hour in high tech. I had my children, and became self employed in a very different industry. I am an artist and aspiring film maker who does not need to worry about censorship or not finding a audience for my work.

There is no where I would rather live, and I have a lot of friends around the world that would love to live here... and think I have won the lottery.

And I did:)

 

Carol B. (155)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 12:57 pm
Do you all really believe that our government will allow a woman (witch ) to become V.P ( president ? ) Or perhaps U R all caught up in the media hype ! Looking for a good Witch Hunt?
Do U really think Obama is not a Warlock of sorts ?
Evil thoughts we Americans are buying.
 

Dody Bush (123)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 1:39 pm
Carol B "warlock" is made up. Anyway, this settles it, voting for Obama. I was on the fence, truly. I am very tolerant of extremist Christians because I understand their plight well. I know they want to save me from my own karma, and I admit the offer is tempting. In reality, I know that heaven may be full of bliss, but it will also be guarded by monstrous things called angels (truly frightening they are). This bliss would be a false bliss, and I would never learn my lessons well enough to move on from this plane of existence, to evolve. I would become their God's battery or some such garbage..honestly I don't know what he does with all the blissin people chilling like a zombie in heaven. Anyway, it's not for me. Let me live and learn again and again until I get it right, then may be then I will be truly free of suffering.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 1:56 pm
Maria...You are a wonderful success story. In spite of my harsh, poverty-stricken childhood in America, I have created my own success story too. There was a time I saw this country much like you do today. And while I feel relatively secure and comfortable (our debts are paid), I am ashamed for this country that so many cannot and may never enjoy the same because of the Bush/McCain policies. I also realize that for the average citizen opportunity for them has been and will be more difficult to obtain in this capitalistic society.

Have you heard? Our already bankrupt nation prepares to further implode our economy by injecting a staggering $1 trillion into the US stock and banking markets by doing nothing more than printing up more money as we have completely bankrupted ourselves into this latest crisis. Corporate welfare that taxpayers will have to pay.

Being assaulted by constant propaganda by our media, we are not being told about our economic collapse, that our debt is virtually worthless on the world markets as the US Dollar has no real value and the US Federal Reserve System is broke.

In simple terms, when the US Federal Reserve System announced it was broke, the US Treasury turned on its printing presses to create new Treasury Bills which have NO VALUE WHATSOEVER, except giving the illusion of liquidity to the unsuspecting American public so WE will cease withdrawing our dollars from the crashing banks and stock markets prior to our savings becoming completely worthless.

“The Bush administration sought UNCHECKED POWER from Congress to buy $700 billion in bad mortgage investments from financial companies in what would be an unprecedented government intrusion into the markets. Through his plan, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson aims to avert a credit freeze that would bring the financial system and the world's largest economy to a standstill. The bill would prevent courts from reviewing actions taken under its authority."

No checks, no plans, no balances and no accountability.

US Senator Jim Bunning was correct when he stated, “The free market for all intents and purposes is dead in America. The action proposed today by the Treasury Department will take away the free market and institute socialism in America.”

Institute socialism in America. Isn't this what you were running away from in those other countries, Maria?

“What we are witnessing may be the greatest destruction of financial wealth that the world has ever seen -- paper losses measured in the trillions of dollars. Corporate wealth. Oil wealth. Real estate wealth. Bank wealth. Private-equity wealth. Hedge fund wealth. Pension wealth. It's a painful reminder that, when you strip away all the complexity and trappings from the magnificent new global infrastructure, finance is still a confidence game -- and once the confidence goes, there's no telling when the selling will stop. But more than psychology is involved here. What is really going on, at the most fundamental level, is that the United States is in the process of being forced by its foreign creditors to begin living within its means.”

This is not the America we knew prior to 2000.

And, what the American economy, and our people, are not even close to being prepared for is how both China and Russia are going to be dealing with the new “Peoples Republic of Wall Street” in demanding their debts be paid immediately in full.

Through his plan, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson aims to avert a credit freeze that would bring the financial system and the world's largest economy to a standstill. The bill would prevent courts from reviewing actions taken under its authority.

The Land of Opportunity you and I once knew and benefited from no longer exists. Much has happened since 2000. Huge job losses are occurring every single day, and foreclosures are predicted to escalate faster and in higher numbers. The poor conditions you left in other countries may very well greet you in the near future. Matter of fact, I would bet on it. If you think your current income level and status will not be affected, think again.

When the majority of middle class citizens realize what has happened to their country, the future and their lives...when 80-90% of the population wakes up to the reality of the drunken sell off of America, chaos may reign in this country. An enraged lower class will turn on the upper class with untold vengeance. And while the government will do all it can to protect the wealthy, the elites will still be vulnerable. Some of our most prominent senators were saying just as much yesterday after this shocking bailout of Wall Street.

Senators Reid, Dodd and many others said, "they have no idea what to do" and that they are "scared" what the future means for America. Their comments were mild compared to what I've heard from other reputable economists and politicians.

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I realize you have your understanding of where our country stands and I respect that. However, I have long ago progressed from the views you have. I was fortunate to graduate from a university with a business degree. We were taught to read and follow major national and international news outlets daily because as one professor told us, "current local, national and world events can change within a matter of hours and your personal lives and situations can be turned upside down if you don't stay informed." From the WSJ, WaPo, NYT to alternative news outlets, they are all pointing to terrible times ahead for the US. However, the republican propaganda machine which controls much of the media, is still deceiving Americans.

What I have said here is not to try to change your mind. Rather I write this to enlighten others who are reading this so they can decide for themselves what is reality and how to plan for the future.

I appreciate your comments which has allowed me to further express my views. Let us hope the worst does not come to pass.
 

Goddess Lozz (213)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 2:02 pm
People have the wrong perception of witches, people have been brainwashed for years into thinking we are evil people who worship the devil! This just is not true, like Marion said, we heal and do good for others, it is religion that has given us a bad name!
Satanists have no place in witchcraft.
 

Joanna D. (216)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 2:04 pm
I didn't believe Americans would vote for McCain, I don't believe Americans will vote for Palin. I believe in you Americans. But I'm very naive to be honest.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 2:47 pm
Miss Maia V.

I am not in favour of islamic extremism... because my country suffers more from it everyday than yours..... in any regard... but i am human enough to feel the pain that one childs mother in afghanistan felt when he died out of no fault of his own..... Iraq and Afghanistan both i would say is US extremism in reply to Islamic extremism.... i belive in philosophy of one man M.K.Gandhi he said one statement which i connect to very welll ''an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind'' and if that is not enough i am sure your funny papers told you exactly when the death toll of americans in Afghanistan and Iraq overtook the death toll of 9/11..... go on support your safe president MR. G.W. Bush that will just make the great nation USA a greece, rome, britain.... welcome to join the list......
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 3:05 pm
Cant just leave this article without a few comments so here it comes;

The video;
That is yet another attempt to get people angry at that SCUM Palin, we all know she is a SCUM member, an authoritarian, but this time she is being used to get people to hate her because she is the tool to get people to vote for Obama. Whats wrong with Obama well he is another one of them;

Barrack Obama's main man and not just in that election it goes back a while this, is a guy called Binu Brisinski (or however its spelt) who was the national security advisor in the Carter Administration and he went public in the last year 18 months or so, admitting that he in that position worked to manipulate the Soviet Union to invade Afganistan because he wanted to weaken the super power and in his words to the effect of I wanted to create for them their vietnam.

But you dont have to know all that because weve all seen enough polititions and other liars who say they stand for change but all they stand for is persuation. Every elective or potential elective is a vehicle for manipulation.

Notice how its all focused to hate Palin, to get everyone to hate her enough to vote for someone else. It looks like Obama alright but whoever does get in is keeping peoples awareness of this whole farce out.

They are all puppets and crooks dont vote for any of them because whatever way you look at it your screwing with yourselves, youre believing in liars.

Witches;
Wonder why they are saying witches are bad? Why suddenly start saying all this?

More excuses to brainwash peoples awareness. They want everyone in all forms of thinking to vote for someone, they want everyone to get suckered in.

STOP FALLING FOR IT!

Witches are the people who refused to be lied to, they were the people who followed what little was known about the Pagans, the Pagans were peaceful, they knew not of ill intent or exploitation of any living being, they knew their own nature they were the vegans of the past.

Witches are the Wiccans of the old ways, they take what little was known of the Pagans. People who still knew of witchcraft, knew they did not need lying religions and knew those religions were all a farce.

Many people turned on them innocent people. People turned against those innocents because the people were suckered into believing crap called the devil, the sun of god and all the rest of those misinterpretations. And by that I mean the earliest interpretation of the sun, that huge circle in the sky we all know of. Theres your god right there, it aint no man in the sky and it doesnt lie to you.

Religions were a vehicle for manipulating people to go a different path, that path has created a unempathic race of humans which we are a part of. Only some of us actually bother to look back on history to understand what Im talking about and some comments above do know what Im talking about on this and know we are being lied to.

WEVE ALL BEEN MISLED, we were all suckered or born into a governed world thanks to those SCUM.

Religions encouraged vivisection did anyone realize this? Did they know they encouraged the 'sacrificing' of animals, better word to define that is called 'kill'.

Many people were 'sacrificed' as in killed, as in murdered all for a rediculous belief system, a vehicle of deception.

Now here we all are again debating all these people who tell us what to believe in, to believe in change...

RUBBISH!

If anyone wants to believe these SCUMbags go ahead see where that gets you. But I dont buy their lies I do see right through them.

Obama stands for change no no. He stands for reorganization, reintergration of your beliefs in the system.

The only thing that does stand for change is the people themselves, we all get off our arses if this whole deception is ever going to end.

We cannot win if we believe in the system, we cannot win if we follow their orders and we will NEVER win as long as people follow the governed way of life.

They will fool you you will believe them then they kill you. Yet you will still believe in them and why?

Because of some t*t in a dark suit or elected candidate who said: I stand for change!

They are all vehicles, all deceivers and all have a dirty past you dont havea clue about but the very little bits you hear about.
 

Betsy A. (36)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 3:06 pm
noted
 

Blacktiger P. (247)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 3:34 pm
I will go back to topic, pastor muthee is one of those minions of satan who, in Africa accuse little children of being witches. So if that child's family has enough money to buy an exorcism, fine, if not the child is driven from the home or worse yet killed. In the meantime these so-called pastors have big fancy cars and mansions. This is the type of "church" Palin has alighned herself with.
As for the comments above on the "demon" Obama, I say this, racism, you denigrate a man on the color of his skin, on the school he was sent to as a little child,shame on you! Care2 is supposed to be a cross section of caring people from around the globe, TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT YOURSELVES, YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Ann Sumpter (28)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 3:45 pm
noted...Thank you Tom
I really think She's far too evil to be a witch.
 

Mari 's (1364)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 3:48 pm

Sunday September 21, 2008, 9:50 am

Maria V

It does not take a pastor or a witch to tell you that under Bush we have been safe.

We are not safe at all because of the religious right and Bush Censoring Science, NASA, Religion. We are safe?? We went to war 8 years ago to look for weapons of MASS destruction with NOTHING FOUND??? There are no weapons of MASS destruction and you have been deceived!

We have been safe?? The economy of the USA really looks safe to you?

But, of course, that is Obama's fault or will be.

Science alone is not safe with Bush & Co how degrading is this!!??

We are not safe we are in GRAVE DANGER AS A COUNTRY

The top climate scientist at NASA says the Bush administration has tried to stop him from speaking out since he gave a lecture last month calling for prompt reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases linked to global warming.

Go to the NASA site



 

Mari 's (1364)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 4:07 pm

Maria V Sunday September 21, 2008, 9:50 am

It does not take a pastor or a witch to tell you that under Bush we have been safe.

We are not safe at all because of the religious right and Bush Censoring Science, NASA, Religion. We are safe?? We went to war 8 years ago to look for weapons of MASS destruction with NOTHING FOUND??? There are no weapons of MASS destruction and you have been deceived!

We have been safe?? The economy of the USA really looks safe to you?

But, of course, that is Obama's fault or will be.

Science alone is not safe with Bush & Co how degrading is this!!??

We are not safe we are in GRAVE DANGER AS A COUNTRY

The top climate scientist at NASA says the Bush administration has tried to stop him from speaking out since he gave a lecture last month calling for prompt reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases linked to global warming.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/29/science/earth/29climate.html
 

Mari 's (1364)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 5:01 pm


Sorry did not mean to repost two times. When posting and going back Care2 is not allowing me to see my post posted.

I want to say this in defense of some nice good christians that I personally know... this is not their way and people like Sarah Palin are giving christianity a very bad name.

How sad it is to give an entire religion such a bad label because of a few bad apples! NOT ALL CHRISTIANS HATE! The christians I know are in fact appalled by this story.

Some can live in harmony and peace as others just want war, power and GREED over all.

That's how we love our neighbor? Is It?????


(Again Sorry for re post above that was an accident)





 

Maria V. (60)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 5:25 pm
I was referring to terrorist attack like 911.

 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 6:51 pm
Is she from the 1500's or something, I didn't think witch hunters even existed anymore, especially since it is so widely accepted now.
 

Yvonne Mendes Siblini (218)
Sunday September 21, 2008, 9:25 pm
Ravi you did hit the soft spot there, I think the whole world should be given a say in the election as Bush has made it a point to sell his democracy around the world. Its only right that we all should make a choice. LOL
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 22, 2008, 5:36 am

Quote from Marion Davis:

"Sorry. I think Obama is a far scarier choice. If you are going to pull out the connections to preachers, you had better take a close look at his 20 year history with Jeremiah Wright, the white hating man who retired and moved into a gated, mostly white community. Obama refuses to condemn Wright even though he said we deserved the 9/11/2001 carnage in New york. He (Obama) still associates with extremist groups--and have you investigated how he managed to go through one of the most expensive law schools in the country? Do you realize how little experience he has? Do you know he was the 2nd or 3rd largest recipient of support funds from the now troubled Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae? Palin is far less scary! At least you won't hear her say, "God-damn America" the way Wright did!" Why is this inapropriate?

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IN RESPONSE TO MARIAN'S COMMENT:

In my opinion I think Obama is a scarier choice, for reasons she mentioned - and other reasons that were not listed.
McCain I distrust only SLIGHTLY less.

The Palin issue I believe is just thrown by many which in effect just is a distraction to the more important issue to the American voters. And, I believe it is also a tactic used by many to influence those who are "wavering", or convert those who are considering voting Republican.

The focus should stay on our current crisis (economic meltdown) and
what we as American citizens are going to do about it.

Obviously we can not sit passively by and expect the government to solve all of our problems (for many reasons). Look, they were warned that this was going to happen to the economy. The president, Congress, Obama, McCain and other elected representatives were warned repeatedly by Ron Paul. WHY DO THEY SUDDENLY ACT SO SURPRISED about something they had been warned about so many times by Paul!?!

And then there is the issue of where to place the blame.
I think there is much blame to be spread around quite a bit. But, focusing too much attention on who to blame AT THIS POINT IS TIME is counter-productive. I think we should be focusing on SOLUTIONS at the moment.

I would like to see the focus back on our enormous problem and not be distracted by stories about "lipstick on a pig" and other less important things.

Ron Paul has made it clear that neither Obama or McCain are proposing the correct approach to the problem to the economic problem. Both plans are a temporary "band aid" approach that will just extend the agony. They want to WIN - so they aren't going to tell the American people what Ron Paul has been saying all along. It's time we listened to the man who predicted this econonmic meltdown a long time ago.

And, back to focusing on SOLUTIONS.

 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 22, 2008, 5:45 am


I think the following is a much better use of our time in trying
to deal with this economic crisis. This comment was left by Blue Bunting at one of the stories I submitted:

"Make your voice heard. Write Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosiand demand that they stand up. Write Senate Republican Leader Mike McConnelland House Minority Leader John Boehnerand tell them that saluting the Bush administration is not sufficient. Tell the Committee Chairs Senator Chris Dodd and Rep. Barney Frankthat the Treasury proposal is unacceptable. Finance is too important to be left to the bankers. And the bailout is too costly to be left to the Bush administration. It's time for citizens to demand common sense."

 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 22, 2008, 5:47 am
TY I HAVE SEEM THIS ON ANOTHER SIGHT
 

Pamylle G. (461)
Monday September 22, 2008, 5:53 am
Rev. Wright is a long time community activist (oh, I forgot ! This is amazingly a BAD thing), and taken in context ( as opposed to the one or two phrase "spin"), his remarks were comprehensible. I refer you to his interview with Bill Moyers, if you care to understand what he was trying to say, Marian Davis.

Who are the real traitors to American values here ? I think they're people like Palin, who doesn't believe in the separation between church and state, and who will make decisions based on her belief that the world is coming to end anyway. Why protect the enviroment ? Why not push that button ? Who cares about those "evil" people of other faiths ? They're not people - they're animals (and we know how much she cares about THEM).

I say these are not American values ! And if they are, America deserves to be "damned".

We need to look more deeply than flag waving, and catch-phrases to spot a TRUE patriot. There are passionate people who serve us without having ever fought in a war. People who try to preserve what is good in this country by speaking out. People who, I hope, will help ME if I'm carted away for not being a Christian...
 

Marian D. (57)
Monday September 22, 2008, 5:54 am
You and I are in the same ballpark, Carol C.--or is that voting booth? I would love to see Ron Paul as a viable candidate, but that isn't going to happen. He is far too conservatve for our leftist country and as long as you have the Hollywood freaks pushing Obama, it is a foregone conclusion that he will win. And for the record, I am not prejudiced as some have suggested. Why can't a person be against Obama without being called a racist? I would suggest those people do a little investigating into where Obama's loyalty lies and his very, very brief experience in the Senate. I believe the real racism is coming from those who refuse to vote for McCain because he isn't black!
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 22, 2008, 6:09 am

More suggestions and info:

Posted September 21st, 2008 by Michael Nystrom

"Your taxpayer dollars hard at work. Contact your reps to let them know how you feel about it!

Bloomberg Exclusive: Backlash Over Bailouts Grows in Congress, Wall Street

Snip:

Peter Boockvar, an equity strategist at Miller Tabak & Co in New York, agreed. Bailing out Bear Stearns and creating lending facilities for investment banks, he said, ``gave financial companies a false sense of security that they had time to de-lever at their leisure.''

Unless the central bank stops interfering with market discipline, Wall Street's problems will continue, he said. ``The market can get to the right price on its own,'' Boockvar said. ``Anything that prevents it from happening is just prolonging the inevitable.''


Politico Exclusive: Foreign banks may get help, too

!! D I G G - I T !!

Snip:

"In a change from the original proposal sent to Capitol Hill, foreign-based banks with big U.S. operations could qualify for the Treasury Department’s mortgage bailout, according to the fine print of an administration statement Saturday night.

The theory, according to a participant in the negotiations, is that if the goal is to solve a liquidity crisis, it makes no sense to exclude banks that do a lot of lending in the United States."


source; http://dailypaul.com

 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 22, 2008, 6:32 am
Ty Marian for your comment. I don't beleive for a second that you are a racist. I do not agree with either Obama or McCain and race has nothing to do with it at all!

With the stakes as high as they are - with our children and grandchildren's future in the balance, why in the world would anyone vote or not vote for someone because of their race?

And gender is also a lightning rod for some. I would not vote for someone to be Commander in Chief of the United States because of their gender. I would not have voted for Hilary to be a part of "making history". That is a terribly misguided reason to vote for someone - because of race or gender.

Who is the best qualified should be uppermost in our minds.

 

Marian D. (57)
Monday September 22, 2008, 6:32 am
To Pamylle G.--I must have touched a sore spot, huh? YOU are the one who needs to open your eyes to what Rev. Wright is doing. His congregation cheers and claps whenever (Which is often) he puts down the white race. And, yes, I did watch several of his sermons and I saw the same thing every time. Unfortunately, you are the one who is hearing what you want to hear, not what is being said. I did not mean to cause such a firestorm of hatred. I only wanted to voice my opinion. Without resorting to pointing a finger at a fellow Care2 member. If you were offended, I humbly apologize.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 22, 2008, 6:54 am

Also, if folks think Obama (or McCain) is going to give them all of the things they want, need, and expect (and are being promised by these guys). they will be in for a rude awakening.

Neither Obama or McCain will be able to deliver. THE MONEY IS NOT THERE to deliver! To promise things knowing that it is not possible to deliver is deceitful at best.

I have said this and I will say it again - With the economic situation
in the terrible mess it is in, they neither have more than a temporary "band-aid" solution(?) to the problem.

If neither Obama or McCain change their policy about the economy to one such as what Ron Paul is suggesting, then it is just a matter of time until we do have a complete economic collapse.

Now, we should be thinking about that scenario. What does a complete economic collapse mean?

For one thing, our standard of living is going to change DRAMATICALLY!


And during the debates, I don't want to hear the "same old same old" stuff from them.
McCain and Obama need to give straight-forward answers. They should forget the "posturing" and for starters answer the following questions.

1) WHY DID THEY NOT HEED RON PAUL'S WARNING

2) CAN THEY CHANGE THEIR DOOMED ECONOMIC POLICIES TO ONE
THAT IS MORE VIABLE AS RON PAUL IS RECOMMENDING?

I'm disgusted with both of them and how they are playing a game with the American people at a time when so much is at stake.

 

JOSSIE ROSS (62)
Monday September 22, 2008, 9:57 am
THANKS.....
 

Linda H. (13)
Monday September 22, 2008, 1:53 pm
The term Warlock means: oathbreaker, a witch who has broken their sworn oath.It is very funny when people use the term and believe it means a male witch. It does not. I am a wiccan, and I would rather trust Obama with my freedom than a woman that thinks I, and others like me should be burned at the stake. And in case anyone has forgotten 9/11 happened on George Bush's watch, He's a republican, and I haven't felt safe since then, not due to terroist attacks, but due to the rabid form of extreme christianity that has enveloped parts of this country. I am not afraid of terrorists and never have been, but the mob mentality has no mind except that of violence and hate, that is what Palin represents to me. Religious extremeism is always to be feared, whether it is islamic or christian or any other religions of extreme form.

I will tell you too though, that it is too late to salvage our economic system already, all they are doing is pouring more money down a bottomless hole, better to let the collapse happen now, before we owe even more than to loose more billions.
 

Dolceanstar C. (201)
Monday September 22, 2008, 1:54 pm
'Who is the best qualified should be uppermost in our minds'
Like the bankers, financiers, speculators and economists who created the economic meltdown being best qualified to bring us out?
I don't think so!
 

Pamylle G. (461)
Monday September 22, 2008, 2:28 pm
Marian Davis, it's a dialogue, and I was not offended. I just didn't want to be dismissive of a man who has worked hard in his own community, even if I don't agree with everything he says.

I'm a European American, and because I see racism all around me, I understand why people of color are frustrated. I don't bother getting insulted. The European peoples have done more damage worldwide, first through Colonialism, & now Military-Industrial-Corporatism. Although despots of other races have now signed on, this is a shameful legacy.

Quite honestly, I'm going to vote for the lesser of two evils - again ! I think McCain is NOT a maverick, but a player in the usual crooked politics, and Palin is against Freedom of Religion. Any "god" she thinks is serving by fully supporting things such as torture, the use of depleted uranium, the wanton killing of animals and destruction of the ecosystem - well, that "god" would be my "devil" - if I believed in one.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Monday September 22, 2008, 2:52 pm
Bravo Linda H. Dolceanstar and Pamylle for your voices of reason!!
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 22, 2008, 3:35 pm

In regards to Maria V.'s comment below:

Sunday September 21, 2008


"...But if people that share your same disdain for this country - would relocate else where - it will open up the border for immigrants that pray to live here.

I am an immigrant and naturalized citizen. I traveled extensively, I lived in Europe, the Middle East and Latin America.

And in this small world there is no where that compares with the freedom and quality of life like America.

I have seen grocery shelves go barren as they ration under a socialist government

I have waited months to see a doctor, even when I had the money to pay my way

As a woman I been treated as second class, or/and viewed as some one's property.

I have seen people in civilian clothing throw up against a wall and shot for speaking their mind against the government by the government police.

My ex husband as a youth had to make his way to school stepping over dead bodies, and had to flee to the US to avoid becoming a forced child soldier at 14 years old.

I did not finish college, never was in one place long enough.

However, In America, I earned $30.00 an hour in high tech. I had my children, and became self employed in a very different industry. I am an artist and aspiring film maker who does not need to worry about censorship or not finding a audience for my work.

There is no where I would rather live, and I have a lot of friends around the world that would love to live here... and think I have won the lottery.

And I did:)"


THANK YOU! READING THIS HAS BROUGHT BACK SO MANY MEMORIES OF PEOPLE I HAVE MET FROM MANY DIFFERENT COUNTRIES WHO IMMIGRATED HERE
BECAUSE OF POVERTY, WAR, AND AN OPPRESIVE GOVERNMENT.

SOME OF THE COUNTRIES THAT THE PEOPLE CAME FROM THAT I EITHER KNEW WELL, NOT SO WELL OR BARELY KNEW WERE FROM SUCH COUNTRIES AS AFGHANISTAN, IRAN, INDIA, PHILLIPPINES, POLAND, SIERRA LEONE. FRANCE, EGYPT, THAILAND, CZECHOSLOVAKIA, GERMANY, HAITI, HONDURUS, KOREA (DON'T REMEMBER WHETHER NORTH OR SOUTH, PROBABLY SOUTH), PAKISTAN,VIETNAM, GUATEMALA, PERU, EL SALVADOR, ETHIOPIA, AND Eritria (I probably didn't spell that correctly, but it is a tiny country next to Ethiopia).

Some of the people I met immigrated several years ago and others immigrated more recently. As I try to recall the reasons that were given for coming to America, it seems most were because they wanted to escape poverty and knew there were opportunities here.

One young woman from a country in Africa told told me very enthusiastically that "everybody wants to live in America!"

In reality, I believe that all of them would have rather stayed in their country of origin had conditions been better (prosperous country and many different freedoms that our country provides).

The ones who immigrated due to conditions of war in their country or a country with a government that was extremely oppresive were stories that were heartbreaking to me.

When a person hears first-hand accounts from immigrants then it makes it more real - and more appreciative of living in the US - despite
it's imperfections.

Now I'm afraid our country is going to self-destruct. I want to believe that we citizens of the U.S. can prevent that. It wouldn't be easy, but I believe it's do-able. But it would take a CONCERTED EFFORT by the majority of the country working together.

And, I believe that if the American people aren't motivated enough to get involved saving our country, then their children and grandchildren's prospects do not look good at all? I don't like to even think about that scenario.
But, I'm a realist, so I sometimes allow myself to think about it - and then I HAVE TO WRITE. I have to do SOMETHING, I can not sit on the sidelines complaining, blaming, or "tuning out" by whatever means.

So, Maria, thanks again for your contribution that I hope will enlighten others to the fact that our country is a good one in many ways. But, it is not maintenance-free.

 

Julie H. (8)
Monday September 22, 2008, 3:52 pm
I found a paragraph in a book about religion by comedian Lewis Black that I rather liked:

"Each and every one of us has our own way of relating to the universe. We beseech or hosanna or meditate. Some of us feel nature is the governing principle. Some of us feel there is no governing principle.

It is what makes this country rich. It is also what undermines America. In a land that should take great joy in the differences of its people -- and in the knowledge that those differences are what make us strong -- we generally choose to fear diversity while wallowing in our own stupidity. For a country where so many believe in some sort of God, we seem, as a whole, to have more faith in our ignorance. We seem to find a shared comfort in our fear of those who don't share our beliefs."

Because they fear true freedom and thought and individuality, the McCain/Palin ticket must not succeed. There are too many ugly, destructive, backwards, and secretive good-ol-boy things going on without honesty or accountability or productive, practical follow-through.

Obama's message is more true to where we would strive to be as a nation and more fully embraces the collective individuality that makes America and her people strong and amazing, like no other country in the world.

While I find the myriad online discourse to be stimulating and important, I am concerned that we are wasting valuable energy. This is no time for petty arguing or knee-jerk "history" making based on race or gender. We as a nation of individuals are tasked with making one of the most important decisions of our lifetime. We are at a crux of impossible global crises and opting to choose candidates who do not have the forward thinking interests of the global community at large foremost in their minds would be a dire mistake.

Meant as no direct admonition, it is simply time for all of us to graduate from adolescent high school pep-rally mentality and evolve.

Write your newspaper, write your representatives, do everything you can to show that the intelligent majority on this blog site has a voice after all!
 

June Rice (125)
Wednesday September 24, 2008, 8:39 am
Pastor Muthee is a NUTCASE! Accusing a woman of being a witch because the town had several car accidents? Is he going to start throwing women into ponds to see if they float or sink? Burning women at the stake? Isn't he the one that was accusing children of being possessed and charging these painfully poor families money to save them?

The Black Plague was caused by "witchhunters" killing cats as witches familiars-the rat population exploded and the plague was carried by the fleas. Up to 60% of the Europe's population was wiped out. Do we need to relive the Fourteenth Century? Wicaan is an innocent Earth Religion-not that he's going after Wicaan's-

The modus operandi of Thomas Muthee is to enter a town where he wants to gain political control. He picks out a woman who has some power, and then accuses her of being a witch. Then, he whips up the local population into an outrage against that woman until, under the threat of stoning to death, the woman has to flee for her life.

How can we seriously consider placing someone who is mentored by the like of Muthee in the position of becoming President of the United States?

That's a question that's being asked by newspapers around the world. First, the story about Muthee and Palin was written about by journalists in Switzerland. Today, the Times of London and the Daily Mail have picked up the story. Thomas Muthee is visiting the Sarah Palin's Assembly of God church in Wasilla again this weekend.

It's exasperating, I know, to see Sarah Palin making Americans look like ignorant, superstitious fools. The best thing we can do about this problem is to make sure that Palin never gets the chance to ascend to the Presidency behind an ailing, elderly John McCain.

 

RHONDA F. (13)
Wednesday September 24, 2008, 2:09 pm
Palin is SCAREY!!!! Good thing I'm voting for Obama! At least he is a decent human!
 

LADY WOLF (16)
Thursday September 25, 2008, 6:59 pm
Didn't like Palin before she was running for V.P. Sure don't like her now..
 

Marian D. (57)
Friday September 26, 2008, 6:52 am
I sure wish everyone who thinks Obama is so great would do some research on his past. Check out his ties with muslim radicals, underground weathermen, and more recently--the people most responsible for the financial mess we're in. Look into who's running his campaign! Find out how he voted while in the Illinois legislature. Do you believe "Present" is a vote? No? Well, that's how he voted over 100 times! Yessiree, I'd love to have somebody like that running my country!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 27, 2008, 4:13 pm
Muthee is a nutcase, Palin is a nutcase & Obama is not the messiah everyone thinks he is.

How on earth have we managed to get this many nutcases, an old man, messiahs & a witch hunter into this years most important election????????

Don't we already have all of that in the White House right now?

Plant trees for life.....hopilegends.com/
 

Tom M. (819)
Saturday September 27, 2008, 4:46 pm
Please refrain from responding to posts by trolls who only want to derail the conversation with conservative talking points.
 

Marian D. (57)
Sunday September 28, 2008, 7:41 am
And just what is the conservative talking point? The fact that we may well wind up with a president who is in bed with terrorists who would like to blow up America? PULEEZE!
 

Mary Norris (119)
Wednesday October 1, 2008, 7:06 pm
hello everyone that video was very disturbing and to think that if this woman becomes VP what will happen to us will she start witch trial all over the USA this a person that can not draw the line between church and state and the next thing is that instead of wolves that she'll be targeting it will be the vast population of witches that live in the USA
Thanks
Mary Norris
 

Marian D. (57)
Thursday October 2, 2008, 6:53 am
I cannot believe you are serious. Do you realy believe that an intelligent woman who is governor of a state is into witch hunting. Come on. I suppose you would much rather have a man who has many, many known ties to terrorst groups and to a precher who tells his congregation "God- damn America", as your president. This witch hunting thing is hilarious--or would be if it wasn't so tragic that people like you have tried to turn Gov Palin into a witch hhunter! Do you wonder what's wrong with our country? The liberals have turned us into such a ridiculous politically correct society that I feel sorry for the next generation.
 

Marian D. (57)
Friday October 3, 2008, 5:03 am
What happened to Tom? He cut off any sensible talk by saying conservatives are trolls and you shouldn't respond to their views. Must be nice to be so close minded and happy living in the dark as to what is really going on!
 
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