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ALERT! President Obama Announces Support for Amnesty. (Tell Him NO!)


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: obama, abuse, government, usa, americans, politics, constitution )

Brenda
- 2132 days ago - capwiz.com
It is a travesty that even as millions of workers are losing their jobs, Obama is pushing for an amnesty that will encourage more illegal immigration and more illegal workers taking jobs from Americans. Adamantly opposed to any amnesty proposal! `



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Suzanna van der Voort (271)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 4:00 am
Noted with thanks Brenda
 

Charlene S. (126)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 8:02 am
NO........NO........NO THAT IS WHAT I TOLD OBAMA. IT IS COSTING AMERICA A FORTUNE AND HE NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF AMERICANS FIRST!!!!!!!!!
 

JULIE ANN Z. (247)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 8:03 am
signed
 

Cher Away Moving (1470)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 8:41 am

Thnx Brenda!
 

. (0)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 9:17 am
NOted and action taken Brenda with thanks, Brenda.
 

Joycey B. (750)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 11:49 am
Action taken and noted with thanks Brenda.

Thank you for taking action. If you are already a CAPS member your efforts and contributions are making a significant difference.
 

Jennifer R. (14)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 11:51 am
I think amnesty is a great idea. We may be having a recession, but more and more of our current population is aging out of the workforce, and with our low birth rates, is not being replaced. Immigrants can often create jobs by starting their own businesses.
 

Alberto Y. (0)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 12:20 pm
I am with you, Jennifer. The work the immigrants do are not wanted by the American people, and whole fields are going to waste becuase there is no one to pick up the produce.
 

Suzanne S. (1)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 12:23 pm
How sad that Brenda and others who oppose this Amnesty are so narrow-minded. Why are poeple on one side of a border more deserving of jobs and a secure life than the people living on the other side of the border? I note, Brenda, that you are very compassionate towards animals and support a wide range of animal welfare issues that cross borders. It's a pity your compassion doesn't extend to human animals as well.
 

Mary Jean Byrne-maisto (0)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 12:33 pm
I agree with Suzanne, Alberto and Jennifer. The 'problem' of illegal immigrants, and the need created for people to flee, often in peril of their lives, from their homelands should be visited and rectified. It is a symptom of a much bigger problem that we have helped create. it is not the problem. Before you leap in a reactionary manner to blame the immigrant and assume they are "stealing" American jobs, dig deeper.
 

Robert K. (0)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 3:05 pm
Personally I feel that it is the legal aliens imported by corporations like Microsoft that are stealing jobs from Americans. My hope is that these temporary workers will be the first to go now that Microsoft has announced 5,000 jobs are being cut. But because they are contract workers being paid less than their American citizen counterparts, they will probably remain on the job.
 

Kit B. (276)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 3:07 pm
Please remember that we buy most of our oil from Mexico and Canada. They are both rather well off, and Mexico could offer jobs and benefits to it's own people. Then again that means some of the people employed would begin to demand certain changes in that corrupt government of, by and for the upper of the upper class.
 

Pamylle G. (462)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 5:04 pm
The corruption of the Mexican goverment is indeed a problem. Another problem is that employers prefer to pay immigrants cheap wages rather than American citizens a living wage. Outsourcing labor is also proof of this.

Get angry at the right party - those who hire ! Poor people trying to find a way to live are not to blame for this situation.

 

. (0)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 5:06 pm
noted thank you
 

Marieema T. (227)
Saturday January 24, 2009, 8:49 pm
FROM THE BEGINNING, EVERYBODY IS AN IMMIGRANT, THE ONLY RESIDENTS ARE THE INDIANS AMERICAN, AND WHEN THE EUROPEANS CAME TO CONQUER, THEY KILL THEM, THEY ROBES THEIR LAND !!!
THE IMMIGRANT NOW IS WORKING, NOT KILLING !!! THEY ARE NOT CRIMINALS !!!!!!!!
 

Darlene K. (367)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 12:39 am
Noted and action taken, thank you Brenda
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 1:59 am
Try and look at the bigger picture here folks...

Treason Abounds ~ Gov't Cabal Plots North American Union (NAU) By Daneen G. Peterson, Ph.D.
 

Kathleen R. (983)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 2:13 am
JM has it right again, as usual~~~ Pay attention folks!!!
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 3:40 am

So glad to read the comments by JM, Pamylle, Mary Jean Byrne-maisto, Suzanne S., Marieemma, Pissed-Off Queer & Kathleen, whom I applaud.

The anti-illegal immigration campaign is more often than not a masquerade for anti-immigrant, xenophobic and racist views & acts that should have no place in our democratic society.

There are grave human rights abuses in this area that need to be addressed and redressed. Just a few examples:

Legionnaires' Disease: American Legion Pushes Nativist Falsehoods

University of Arizona Report Faults Treatment of Women Held at Immigration Centers

Southern Povery Law Center Wins $2.5 Million Verdict in Klan Assault Case (Lasting physical & mental injuries for boy, 16, US citizen & son of US citizens, of 'visibly' Latino descent)

The Selma of Immigrants' Rights: In Arizona, Immigrants Protest Sheriff Joe's Nativist Agenda

Spine Fractured & Body Riddled with Cancer Gone Undiagnosed & Untreated for Months, New York Engineer, Father of 2, Dies in US Hands, Caught in Labyrinth of Immigration Detention

The bigger picture that people fail to take into account includes US, World Bank and WMF policies that create poverty, not prosperity, forcing thousands to seek employment far from their homes, where they would really much rather stay. The world food and grain markets are controlled by a handful of corporations like Cargill, responsible for manipulating prices & causing devastating increases in the price of corn (maize)in Mexico & Guatemala in 2006 -2007, for example.(Corn Price Crisis in Mexico and Guatemala: Farmers' & Consumers' Organizations Ask Governments For Urgent & Concrete Measures) Cargill featured on Multinational Monitor's list of the 10 Worst Corporations of 2008 : Hall of Infamy of Plunder & Abuses, Economic, Social & Political under the heading "Cargill: Food Profiteers"

excert:
'The world's food system is broken. Or, more accurately, the giant food companies and their allies in the U.S. and other rich country governments, and at the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, broke it.

Thirty years ago, most developing countries produced enough food to feed themselves [CHECK]. Now, 70 percent are net food importers.

Thirty years ago, most developing countries had in place mechanisms aimed at maintaining a relatively constant price for food commodities. Tariffs on imports protected local farmers from fluctuations in global food prices. Government-run grain purchasing boards paid above-market prices for farm goods when prices were low, and required farmers to sell below-market when prices were high. The idea was to give farmers some certainty over price, and to keep food affordable for consumers. Governments also provided a wide set of support services for farmers, giving them advice on new crop and growing technologies and, in some countries, helping set up cooperative structures.

This was not a perfect system by any means, but it looks pretty good in retrospect.

Over the last three decades, the system was completely abandoned, in country after country. It was replaced by a multinational-dominated, globally integrated food system, in which the World Bank and other institutions coerced countries into opening their markets to cheap food imports from rich countries and re-orienting their agricultural systems to grow food for rich consumers abroad. Proponents said the new system was a "free market" approach, but in reality it traded one set of government interventions for another - a new set of rules that gave enhanced power to a handful of global grain trading companies like Cargill and Archer Daniels Midland, as well as to seed and fertilizer corporations.

"For this food regime to work," Raj Patel, author of Stuffed and Starved, told the U.S. House Financial Services Committee at a May hearing, "existing marketing boards and support structures needed to be dismantled. In a range of countries, this meant that the state bodies that had been supported and built by the World Bank were dismantled by the World Bank. The rationale behind the dismantling of these institutions was to clear the path for private sector involvement in these sectors, on the understanding that the private sector would be more efficient and less wasteful than the public sector."

"The result of these interventions and conditions," explained Patel, "was to accelerate the decline of developing country agriculture. One of the most striking consequences of liberalization has been the phenomenon of ‘import surges.' These happen when tariffs on cheaper, and often subsidized, agricultural products are lowered, and a host country is then flooded with those goods. There is often a corresponding decline in domestic production. In Senegal, for example, tariff reduction led to an import surge in tomato paste, with a 15-fold increase in imports, and a halving of domestic production. Similar stories might be told of Chile, which saw a three-fold surge in imports of vegetable oil, and a halving of domestic production. In Ghana in 1998, local rice production accounted for over 80 percent of domestic consumption. By 2003, that figure was less than 20 percent."

The decline of developing country agriculture means that developing countries are dependent on the vagaries of the global market. When prices spike - as they did in late 2007 and through the beginning of 2008 - countries and poor consumers are at the mercy of the global market and the giant trading companies that dominate it. In the first quarter of 2008, the price of rice in Asia doubled, and commodity prices overall rose 40 percent. People in rich countries felt this pinch, but the problem was much more severe in the developing world. Not only do consumers in poor countries have less money, they spend a much higher proportion of their household budget on food - often half or more - and they buy much less processed food, so commodity increases affect them much more directly. In poor countries, higher prices don't just pinch, they mean people go hungry. Food riots broke out around the world in early 2008.'


Building walls to keep people out is not the answer. Nor is spreading lies about innocent people, fleeing poverty. We need to reverse these unjust policies & reign in the devastating control that the agri-giants are able to exercise, so that people can afford to eat & benefit from prosperity in their own countries.
 

Esther S. (45)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 5:53 am
I understand that most people in this country are descendants of immigrants. However, in the past when the job market was bad, our government always lessened the number of legal immigrants. The job market is terrible now. I know a young man who was so desperate for a job that he took a job as a janitor but he was laid off from that job as well. Compare this situation to an apartment house. Imagine an apartment house where everybody who chose to live in that building could come in. The apartment house would become a disaster.
I think that the government of Mexico should try to do more for their people. So many of the Mexicans who have come into our country illegally live in crowded apartments with other illegals to try to save money so that they could send some money back to their families in Mexico. The Mexico government likes that but it is not right.
 

Ray W. (10)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 7:53 am
Wow! sure is a lot of mixed responses on this one! Guys, contrary to popular opinion, we are not all immigrants,our ancestors were, just as the Indians ancestors were. All land,to get technical, was Gods land on loan to us. This country cannot sustain the import of immigrants,illegal or not, at it's present rate. This is fact. We have an immigrant policy that is crucial to be followed as it is set up in order for it to be done in an organized fashion.The USA is not set up to take in all the Worlds weary no matter what our passions are.
Mexico is a great country and if things were done right down there, than we would not be having this discussion. Corporations, the IMF, and drug lords and the like have taken over that country. This needs to be attended to, for the Mexican people and to save our own infrastructure. When you see the forecast of the damage this will do to America, a lot of your thinking on this will change. You will see that it is definitely not sustainable.
I see some make reference that they are doing the jobs we don't want to do. This is true only to the extent that this has always been true, but, hundreds upon hundreds are jobs that our general labor force has been doing forever and count on to support their family have been taken over by immigrants. I was a truck driver owner/operator for 30 years and I seen the gradual take over of jobs that Americans have always done by this influx of immigrants. Our entire country has been devastated by this and to condone it by offering amnesty will only encourage more. It has to be selective, not all encompassing amnesty..
Some don't understand the impact this has had on our penal system and how our system is being pushed beyond it's limits because of the increase in criminal and drug activity. Mexico has always been the major corridor for illegal drugs being brought into the USAand a lot of their drug pushers came here and set up shop. Also, now we have a very strong presence of elite gangs such as the M13 and others taking over our cities. Many of these are being trained by our own Military and will return to their "homeboys" as soon as their stint is over. I can't express strongly enough what this will do to our country.
All those that are expressing humanitarian point of views, you are to be commended for expressing love and compassion for those that need it, but , we cannot take care of this monumental problem with this approach. It will not work and it will not do what is best for them or us.
 

Kari D. (192)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 8:17 am
Noted & signed
 

Jackie Henry (4)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 8:29 am
I have always noticed how we all become very narrow in our thinking when there is crisis, we want to blame the illegal aliens for taking our jobs? I have to ask where were we when the last administration spent the last 8 years, taking away our freedoms, eroding our economy and leaving us behind. We are very content to let someone else do the dirty work and complain when big business abuses us over and over again. I remember hearing once that the extraordinary people are only 3 percent of the population and the ordinary and the other 97%; so that means that "we" are majority and we are a lazy majority. We don't want to get our hands dirty, we don't vote because it doesn't make a difference, we don't send our "leaders" the message that we are in charge of their choices. If we don't have jobs then we need to get off of our dead --- and pick the food. If industry is destroying your job take control make them be accountable for spending, get rid of exorbitantly high salaries, golden parachutes and bonus's when AIG was bailed our this year and had to ask for money for a second time they decided to give their exex's their christmas bonus. I did not receive mine!!!! I lost a huge sum of money from my retirement account and will never be able to recoup it I am to old. And their is no bail out for me! Your worried about amnesty for illegal aliens and you aren't worried about yourself? It is TIME to pick ourselves up and dust ourselves off just like my parents did during the depression. I was up in Rochester NY in 06 helping my daughter with my grandson so she could go back and forth to the hospital to take care of my new grandson (he weighed 1lb at birth) and we knew that her being there would be good for him. While I was there, there was a news story about a man who was caught trespassing and video taping the conditions of a 1 acre building that housed chickens for Wegmans a large grocery store in that area, ( in fact except for about 3 others the only ones because it is their corporate offices not competetion in pricing there) he taped the hideous way in which they are raised but no one raised any fuss in defense of the man who taped the conditions inside or for the chickens. tell me where are we when this happens? at home sacked out on the couch. Is it to much to notice that the farms that used to do this are gone, is it to much to notice that amount of cipro, which is making Bayer very rich, used to keep them healthy is making us less healthy. When conditions like that are put in front of our faces when the down turn of the stock market was put in front of us EVERY night we did nothing, we didn't take the responsibility to research, we decided that was over our heads when we heard about Drafur we said oh how said or nothing at all. We watched terrorism around the world for so long and never said anything about it and Osama Bin Laden is still free, Sadam Hussein is dead but the man who killed 3000+ Americans is still alive and one thing that bothers me is that the one of the first things that Bush did was to get members of the Saudi Royal family out of the US before he closed down the airplanes. But you are upset about the illegal immigrants. The immigration department just raised the price to get a visa into the US and it was over 1000 dollars as it was, I am guessing that if you are only making 2.00 an hour and need to eat and survive that saving up 1000 $ would be a monumental if not impossible task. Lets take the time to be aware of how things our done not just what the news tells us in their slanted way. Let's open our minds and the information highway if we have to and then use the majority that we are the good, let racism and ethnic prejudice be something of the past we can't pick ourselves up if we are not willing to pick up our neighbor regardless of what he looks like and when you help your someone else you help self. One of my favorite quotes is "be not just good but be good for something." So far all we seem to be good for is ignoring our neighbor and our own families.
 

Edward H. (45)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 8:34 am
Let me get this straight. The illegal aliens BREAK into this country, STEAL, (they don't pay taxes), from us, drain the [medical and educational system], usher in additional crimes, AND THE LIST GOES ON...and people want law abiding citizens and law abiding immigrants to just say, come one in, welcome? Meanwhile the immigrants that want to enter legally are put on waiting lists? PLEASE!!! Give me a break... I say MASSIVE fines to those that hire them, take everything the illegals own and deport them...sending them, their family and anyone else you can, (including their government for not helping to stop the tide of illegal immigrants from entering this country), a bill for anything they owe...including the cost of deporting them.

As for the illegal immigrants doing jobs Americans don't want to do...tough...let's get tough on those on welfare and get the able bodied working for their money. Stimulus packages? Bailouts? Make the able bodied work for it. Again, the list goes on...
 

Carol W. (119)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 9:02 am
Mexico is the 5 wealthiest nation in the world. Since NAFTA and mid'93 Mexico wealthy has prospered exceedingly strong.

Like America in the last 8 years of Bush while most Americans are loosing jobs, and their life savings, America's income on the 'whole' has risen 12%!!!

Who does this rise in income go too?

Thank you John Michael. Your post is extraordinare.
Legal Immigration by far is also the much bigger problem.
Yet, Calf. 30 years ago at the beginning of accepting & protecting illegal immigrants was the wealthiest state, with the best schools & Hosp's in the Nation.
Look where Calf. is now.

If the powers that be think Amnesty is necessary they need to not be so 'narrow-high-minded' .
With Amnesty we must have provisions, laws, and regulations to greatly slow all immigration (legal & illegal) until Americans (our selves) can restore a way of life.

Amnesty without laws preventing further immigration (legal & illegal) is nothing short of retarded, dysfunctional, blind-sighted, single minded, policy.

Stop all Corp. immigration and illegal. Free the Border Guards Bush imprisoned. Audit all of present and pass Congress and Executive Reaches of past tax returns to present.

Stop NAFTA and force Mexico to take care of her own, with the VAST WEALTH horded and made since NAFTA.

These people would love to be home, and Clinton promised them jobs.
Amnesty should be in the form of creating fair wages as promised by the corp. that have moved to Mexico. That is Amnesty.
Give Amnesty to the Crooks hoarding the wealth and force Mexico to fight it's corruption.
Or America as we have known it, will be more and more like Mexico and those countries the people are escaping from
What will be left once America morphs into Mexico.?
Where will we or anyone be free to earn a living, have pride, etc......... ?
 

Carol W. (119)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 9:15 am
Remember;
Only Dennis Kucinich (alone) refused granting amnesty.
The real patriots of this country are crippled by the media.
Sadly, from it's beginning the USA has allowed Gov. to run the people, and never have the people had a true voice in Govt. (For the people by the people) ...is just poetry.
 

Jackie Henry (4)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 1:16 pm
H-1B/l-1 is a program where employers are able to acquire visa for employees from foreigns countries to take over the IT jobs in this country. This has nothing to do with amnesty Dennis Kucinich voted against a law that would bring in IT employees and leave well educated IT professionals without jobs. The companies doing this were paying for the visas not bringing in people illegally. Amnesty for the illegal aliens as defined by the laborer who comes across the border to pluck chickens, pick fruit and sit in sweat shops making clothing for you and I employed by our great citizens of this country. I was in small town in Texas down by the border and one morning around 7am I was going somewhere and on the street corner was crowd of illegal aliens waiting for the ranchers who where going to hire them for the day. While we bash the illegal alien who wants to come here and can't afford to do it the right way what about the companies that hire them? What is being done about them, what is being done about the inhuman working conditions that they let these people work in knowing full well that they can not complain. They put a burden on this country because they aren't paying taxes and when they get sick who pays for their health care-we do. I would never deny health care to anyone, and what about the children that they are not sending to school so they won't get caught? Amnesty doesn't hurt us it helps us. And as far as using the welfare people I could not agree more, not because I find them distasteful but because when you give someone something to proud of they become a different person. If life is nothing but SDDS then we never pull ourselves up out of the rut.
I remember making a comment to my mother-in-law once that they should just get going and pull themselves up by their bootstraps like everyone else. And in her way that indicated I was wrong-again- she said some people need help, you have to give them their bootstraps first. She was a surgical RN who was told the first time she went to apply at nursing school that they wouldn't accept her because her Swedish accent was to thick and people wouldn't like it, my grandfather was six when he came here and he was the youngest and he taught his family how to speak English I have the table that my Greatgrandfather bought in a 2nd hand store. My mother is a 1st generation born American so was my mother-in-law and they would not be very proud of this country right now! Pride goeth before a fall and this country is on its knees, when I say we should be less concerned about amnesty and more about ourselves its because they are using our anger toward someone who we can think of as lesser than we are, while they are ignoring our needs, get off your knees and look past the old parlor tricks of our politicans.
 

Donn M. (56)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 4:22 pm
Thanks Brenda. We've already given these cheaters amnesty twice in the recent past, it's time to secure our borders and say NO MORE! NO MORE sneaking across the border and taking jobs Americans WILL do, NO MORE sucking funds from our school systems and health care system, NO MORE joining gangs, trafficking drugs, growing pot on our National forests, committing crimes against our citizens, cheating your way into this country when so many millions are waiting patiently and LEGALLY in line to come here. RISE UP and say NO to OBAMA and any of our congress who want to try and shove this down our throats YET AGAIN. We did it before and we can do it again!!!
 

Brenda H. (29)
Sunday January 25, 2009, 8:58 pm
Suzanne S.AS YOU STATED: How sad that Brenda and others who oppose this Amnesty are so narrow-minded. Why are poeple on one side of a border more deserving of jobs and a secure life than the people living on the other side of the border?

I HAVE AN OPINION JUST LIKE YOU DO SUZANNE S. WHICH IS A LONG WAY FROM BEING NARROW MINDED--AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION--ON MY SIDE OF THE BORDER--LEGAL CITIZENS PAY TAXES TO PAY FOR MOST EVERYTHING IN THE U.S.A.--(AND ABOUT EVERY OTHER COUNTRY TOO) ILLEGALS "DO NOT" PAY ANY TAXES-I LIVED IN TEXAS WHERE THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF ILLEGALS--THEY WORK FOR A LOW WAGE--ON PAYDAY KEEP JUST ENOUGH TO GET BY UNTIL NEXT PAYDAY AND "THE REST" GOES BACK TO MEXICO! THEY LIVE 8/10 TO A HOUSE TO SEND MORE MONEY BACK TO MEXICO--I KNOW THIS "FOR A FACT"!
WHY SHOULD I OR ANY OTHER LEGAL CITIZEN OF THE U.S. HAVE TO PAY HIGH TAXES AND ILLEGALS PAY NONE! OUR COUNTRY IS IN SAD SHAPE RIGHT NOW--"OUR" PEOPLE NEED MORE MEDICAL CARE--OUR VETERANS NEED MORE HELP--OUR ELDERLY DAMN SURE NEED MORE HELP--WE HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE/VETERANS LIVING ON THE STREET THAT NEED HELP=SO YOU CALL ME NARROW MINDED--LOOK IN THE MIRROR!! I DON'T WANT THEM HERE "ILLEGALLY"! THEY CAN COME HERE THE RIGHT WAY AND DO LIKE ALL THE OTHER LEGAL CITIZENS OF THE U.S. DO OR STAY THE HELL OUT OF OUR COUNTRY--WE DON'T OWE THEM ANYTHING!
 

Marieema T. (227)
Monday January 26, 2009, 8:49 pm
WELL IF THEY BECOME LEGAL, THEY WILL PAY TAXES, AND THE BIG PROBLEM OF DEPRESSION ARE NOT THEM, IS THE MONEY SPEND IN THE MIDDLE EAST WAR !!! TRILLIONS OF DLLS, HAVE SPEND IN KILLING WITHOUT ANY BASE, THERE IS THE MONEY THAT THIS COUNTRY IS MISSING,
WE HAVE ALL COME TO THIS COUNTRY, FROM MANY OTHER COUNTRIES, AND AFTER SOME GENERATIONS, WE FEEL THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE,
WHAT HAPPENS IF YOUR OWN FAMILIES, THREE GENERATIONS BACK, HAVE EVER BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY ??? YOU WEREN'T HERE, AT ALL, AND LESS, TALKING WITH SO DEMANDING ATTITUDE !!! THE ONLY CITIZEN HERE ARE THE INDIANS !!! THAT AMERICANS KILL TO GET THEIR LAND, !!! AND THAT'S IS CRIMINAL !!!

IF YOU WANT TO SEE THINGS CLEAR !!!
 

Cherida Hivale (73)
Tuesday January 27, 2009, 3:32 am
I think amnesty is a great idea. It is a very dated and restrictive thought process to restrict movement across borders and countries. I think immigrants add a ot of diversity culturally. Also there is nothing wrong with sharing the resources of this earth - especially at a time when we want one world, a world without borders and differences which can end up being reasons to disagree and fight over.
 

Carrie H. (135)
Thursday January 29, 2009, 12:20 pm
Legal slave labor
 

Edward H. (45)
Thursday January 29, 2009, 2:28 pm
Legal slave labor? Most of what they do we did as kids, but the kids today don't want to get their hands dirty, or do a hard day's work, and when they do, they want to be paid a fortune! Regardless, I am completely against amnesty.
 

Carol W. (119)
Friday January 30, 2009, 7:57 pm
NARROW MINDED are those of the illiterate, misinformed, and fence sitters.

It is not narrow minded to be informed, well read, and working to protect what took 400 years to accomplish.

Read, educate yourselves, use the internet while much is yet available. Because much is removed as fast as it go up when it has too much truth, fact, and proof. Many things have been removed in the last 2 years.

HEADLINES DO NOT TELL THE FULL STORY . Please, inform yourself. Take time to see what Cable, etc... has no promoters to support.

PNAC, SPP, and as J.M. points out time and time again; learn their alphabet.
I live in Kansas City. Becoming the intersection port for the N. and S. is all the rage among the elite here. Thank God, Mayor Kay Barnes time ran out. But the rail roads are being laid, and Convention Ctrs. are being planned. And many good hearted, dumbed Christians see this as a mission form God. When it is a mission from Hell.

From John Michael's attachment above (for those simpiltins that never take the time to read so many open sources of fact and information) here are a few highlights: Thanks again J.M.

Once you lose social, cultural and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.

Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you.  You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen.  You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meets.  You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weaknesses . . .  To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures.  Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall.  You will probably fail.

Millions around the world want your good life.  But make no mistake:  They care not for the high-minded ideals of Jefferson, [Madison] and Washington and your Constitution.  What they want are your possessions, your power, your status.

And they already know that there are allies among you, the 'human rights activists' the skillful lawyers and the left wing politicians will fight for them and not for you.  They will exploit your Christian charity, and your good will.

They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.

They know what to do . . .  Do you?(119)

As indicated throughout this article, there is strong evidence that America is in very serious trouble.  If you still think not . . . re-read what FDR has engraved on his monument as seen above:
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South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country [of Rhodesia].

America's structures are Western.  Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the world operates.  But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your western character.

Writing letters to the press, manning stands at country fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing to your Congressman - that is what you know, and that is what you are comfortable with.  Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability.

But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change.  Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America.  Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusation of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial number, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power form the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in.  They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.
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Globalization' is a buzzword that appeares frequently in Mexico's 5 year plan.  "The Mexican government is demanding that we give all Mexican illegals a free pass, and also support them with numerous social services paid for by American taxpayers.  Some of these -- like free medical care -- we do not even provide to our own citizens.  Mexico's plan specifically outlines its intent concerning Mexican citizens who have entered the United States illegally in a subsection titled 'Defense Of Mexicans Abroad.'  The plan states:

It is important to note that even if Mexico has achieved a number of agreements and mechanisms to ensure better treatment of our countrymen abroad, the issue of migration, especially in the United States, needs a new focus over the long term to permit the movement and residence of Mexican nationals to be safe, comfortable, legal and orderly, and the attitude of police persecution of this phenomenon must be abandoned and it must be perceived as a labor and social phenomenon."(98)

Then in a televised interview in 2000, Fox made his country's intentions clear:

"I'm talking about a community of North America, an integrated agreement of Canada, the United States, and Mexico in the long term, 20, 30, 40 years from now.  And this means that some of the steps we can take are, for instance, to agree that in five years we will make this convergence on economic variables.  That may mean in 10 years we can open up that border when we have reduced the gap in salaries and income."(98)
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As stated in Mexico's official National Plan of Development 2001-2006 . . . dual citizenship is officially encouraged by the Mexican government.  According to W.J. Perry, the plan is a "shocking document . . . a five-year plan full of political rhetoric emphasizing planned improvements for every aspect of Mexico's infrastructure, but it also lays out specific strategies for expanding the nation's political reach far beyond the US-Mexico border . . .  Mexico is systematically trying to cultivate dual loyalties, i.e. disloyalty, among its ethnic compatriots in America [think Aztlanders here].  This is a naked expansion of Mexico's national interest at the expense of ours; *****the mystery is why we are tolerating it."
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What has already happened to our communities across America is the disintegration of our social fabric, our schools, jails, hospitals, and welfare system all created by the overwhelming numbers of illegal aliens and legal immigrants whose culture, allegiance and language differences have ALREADY balkanized our communities, dumbed down our schools, wrecked our social services systems, closed hospitals, and filled our jails.  Do you think the future will get better when the doors are thrown wide open, with no restrictions, to all members of the North American continent?(17)(18)(19)(15)(16)

Will the North American 'Community' desired by our fascist government become a 'friendly association' of 'fellowship'?  Will we all have the same 'community of tastes, similarity, likenesses'?  Look around you.  Is THAT what exists, even today?  Of course not!  Or will the contrived 'community' simply be a marriage of convenience created SOLELY for the economic advantage of the monied elites?  Of course it will.

In fact, we will simply be a nation of 'people living in a particular district,' a 'smaller social unit' living within the larger area of North America having only a 'community of goods' and services in common.  Surely one can agree that such a combining will NOT include common 'interests' except for those 'interests' of the 'money mafia' (i.e., capitalists, corporatists and bankers) and their fascist cohorts in the government.  Won't we simply be 'closely associated only for THEIR 'economic' advantage, not ours, without any 'common traditions,' thereby creating a rudderless polyglot of disparate, balkanized peoples that just happen to populate the same piece of geography called North America?  Does THAT a 'community 'make?  Of course not!

So beware of the term 'community' used by the globalists to suck you into their propaganda using such benign, soft and agreeable terms to cover up their plans for a North American Union.  The proof is that by DEFINITION we will NOT be a 'community.'  Instead, we will simply and plainly become a 'union' as defined by Webster's as follows:
1.a uniting or being united; combination; especially: a) a combining, joining, or grouping together of nations, states, political groups, etc. for some specific purpose b) a marrying or being married; marriage
2.something united or unified, a whole made up of parts; esp., a) an organization or confederation uniting various individuals, political units, etc.
A Community is what you expect to happem AFTER the gradual progression of long periods of time, where people, events, polotics, laws, jobs, geography bears upon disparate peoples allowing them to coalesce and merge into a community.  It CANNOT and does NOT happen instantly.  Whereas the creation of a union DOES.  Rip open the borders, send people flooding in of disparate cutlures, language, economic status, education levels, and you will get CHAOS but you WILL have a UNION!

Ergo, it will NOT be community.  It WILL be a union WITHOUT the natural assimilation, acculturation and blending into the 'melting pot' the United States of America is famous for having achieved.  It will not be a community.  Instead it will be simply a polyglot of people, balkanized and angry towards each other until civil war erupts.  This is on the horizon (re: Paris, Australia, etc.,) and has already come and gone in S. Africa.  Will you sit back and wait for the demise of America, or will you fight to keep what took 400 years to build and mature into what once was Amercia the Beautiful?


 

Brenda H. (29)
Saturday January 31, 2009, 1:47 am
"IF" THEY BECOME LEGAL--LOL--SEND "ALL" THE ILLEGALS BACK TO MEXICO WHERE THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT CAN AND SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THEM--AGAIN--THE U.S.A. DOESN'T OWE THEM ANYTHING! THEY ARE BREAKING OUR LAWS SNEAKING IN AND HIDING IN OUR COUNTRY. OUR COUNTRY CAN NOT AFFORD THEM AND WE DON'T WANT THEM!
THANKS CAROL-JM AND OTHER "CITIZENS" FOR STATING FACTS!
 

Dotka K. (0)
Wednesday February 25, 2009, 8:40 am
It looks like I am a bit late with my comment. Anyways, I don't think illegal immigrants are oing anyware. It is simple - there is just too many of them. It would take more years and money to get rid of them and it would not have any benefits. Amnesty - yes, but a thoughtfull one. Not just anybody but people who "diserve it". Close relatives - makes sense for me. Kids who live here here for 20 years of their 21 year long life - make sense for me. Their imediate families. Also people who have proved they want to better themselves. People who learned english, or people who had trouble learning english but they made effort and tried. People who bettered themselves by reaching for education. Also not all immigrants steal and don't pay taxes - I know for a fact that people who care and are looking for way to be naturalized they pay taxes, even they may not benefit in future form paying for years because they not eligable for SS # and they have to use tax ID which does not promise nothing to them.
There are millions of people who are honest and want to live in this country and work legally if they only have a chcance. And I am sure not all of them are planning to live in projects of government like many of american born people who just continue to milk the system.
I am sure that there is a way to fix this mess but it is not the way that puts blame on immigrants only. The system got broken not just becasue of them.
 

criss s. (4)
Monday November 25, 2013, 12:44 pm
Noted, but I disagree with the opposition to amnesty. We don't operate on a single country economy, but a world economy. I almost find it humorous that the "take jobs from Americans" argument is still used. Seems nothing ever changes....we can always remain divided as long as we group ourselves together to shun another group over fallacies and some sense of superiority......when reality we are all the same, and only want the same things in life.
 

criss s. (4)
Monday November 25, 2013, 12:48 pm
I see now how old this article is...yet immigration is still an issue.
 
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