Monday August 24, 2009, 12:20 am
Thanks Terry

Monday August 24, 2009, 12:28 am
So she has to wait for her punishment? Seems about as vindictive as elements of the US system where people are kept on death row for years! Or held in Gitmo with no charge or trial. UK gave that sort of treatment up years ago in NI!

Monday August 24, 2009, 5:27 am
Noted. Thank you Terry.

Monday August 24, 2009, 10:08 am
For drinking a beer? If I got caned every time I drank a beer I would have been dead long ago. Women have always had to fight for equality. It hasn't been to long ago in this country that women couldn't drink, smoke or even vote.

Monday August 24, 2009, 12:01 pm
Huh? Beer? Holy crapola Batman! So wrong to do this to her for such a petty incident.

Monday August 24, 2009, 12:15 pm
Thanks Terry. Seems we have both posted on this but your stroy has other details...

Monday August 24, 2009, 1:00 pm
thanks terry its disgraceful for any law to allow people to be beaten

Monday August 24, 2009, 2:55 pm
To fundamentalist Muslims a drink is a terrible thing so I can understand, even though I disagree with, the verdict. What concerns me is that the moderate Muslims are being forced to bend to the will of the few extremists and this pressure is growing across the world.

Monday August 24, 2009, 3:51 pm
I have put this on facebook I think it is absolutely barbaric - treatment of women is so debasing - and to compound this judgement they are now adding tortue to it by making her wait until Ramadan is over. Absolute cruelty in every way. TY Terry. Blessings

Monday August 24, 2009, 5:25 pm
Thanks Terry

This case shows the difficulty of combining civil and religious laws. To delay the punishment is a bit like torture.

On this occasion at least people like us are not sending members of our defence forces to support a regime where some men are now legally entitled to rape and starve their wives, as they are in Afghanistan!

Monday August 24, 2009, 8:38 pm
As muslim ,I agree with her punishment.Western mass media concentrates on woman'rights in Islamic countries as defects.Mahteer Mohamed closed prostitution at the beginning of his presidency.HE made Malisia one of the richest modernised country.

Monday August 24, 2009, 8:47 pm
Khaled, did it ever occur to you that it is simply not your business if abother person wants to have some beer? You as a Muslim may choose not to drink, but you can't impose your will on other people. Get civilized, man, and learn to respect other people.

Monday August 24, 2009, 9:07 pm
Get civilized, man, and learn to respect other people.
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The same can be said for many people and the cultural they follow.......

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 12:54 am
Khaled - for many many muslims a woman drinking a beer is not a criminal offense and therefore should not be one punished by canning! You are, obviously, a conservative muslim. Like conservative Christians you think you have the right to dictate and force other people to obey the religion like YOU think it should be. This is WRONG!!!!

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 2:52 am
David you discribed Islam and Christianity as "trash ".You absolutely don't have the right to say this and I never expected you to say that.I hope this was just a mistake and you have to apologyze .And listen what about judism? Is it also Trash? Let us respect people and their believes.

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 3:06 am
Disgraceful, how can they put their citizens into bondage and treat them like children that need a good spanking because they have done something wrong... sherbet we all screw up from time to time

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 4:09 am
Blanket condemnation of religions is no better than the exreme elements within those religions as it has it's root in irrational and blind prejudice. As I understand it this young lady is a Moslem and as such presumably is aware of the prohibition of alcohol consumption Therefore by her own affiliation and standards she would expect to be punished. However the punishment whether you agree or not with it's severity or not has been effectively increased by the delay of application and therefore the effect on the person of the wait for the punishment much the same as standing outside the Headmasters Study awaiting the cane was more terrifying than the caning itself! This practice has long since ceased in the UK. Whilst I understand the principle of religious freedom. If that freedom includes abusive, cruel and anti social behavours then I don't have a problem in criticising those acts However as with most things in any religion the actions carried out in the name of religion don't always reflect the mainstream or even the tenets of that religion. For example most Moslems would condemn suicide bombing. Not all Jews want to suppress the Palestinians, Most Christians would not want to take part in action such as the Medieval Crusades during which the most appalling atrocites were carried out. You perhaps begin to see my point and understand that if I criticise some aspect of religion it is the cruelty or abuse inherent in that aspect not the religion. Another couple of examples, some practice ritual slaughter whereby an animals throat is cut whilst still conscious and left to bleed out and the sufferring of the animal whilst it dies, appears to be of no concern to the religionist. Some religions impose sexual mutilation on infants. I'm sure if you go back far enough there were religions that made human sacrifices but that there are certainly those that still practice animal sacrifice. Many religions have an intolerance of individuals sexuality. Many religions are intolerant of contraception. Many religions have an inbuilt intolerance of other religions. All of these things I find abhorent and would critcise them. Of course much about any religion is the product of the society it functions in and understanding of each others point of view can only be beneficial to all parties. When we judge by our own personal standards we judge without perhaps either seeing or understanding the others situation and I am always reminded of the words of Jesus who said "Let those without sin cast the first stone" when asked how to punish the lady who had committed adultery. One of my other favourite sayings is that of a Rabbi, who commenting on the eye for eye,tooth for a tooth philosophy said "The world will end up blind and toothless" Certainly if you look at what happened in Northern Ireland the actions arising out of reigious prejudice between opposing factions of the Christian religion whereby murder and maiming was commonplace and Catholic children could not go to school through Protestant areas and vica verca you are tempted to ask the question if this is what religion is all about I want no part of it. Faith is a personal thing and it gives many comfort so I would appluad any that stand by their faith whatever that might be unless it threatens my animal or human rights aspirations! Corporal punishment and the death penalty is a medieval relic that has been eradicated in many areas. Strangely despite the criticism of the Moslem world's forms of punishment parts of the US still hang on to the death penalty in contrast to Scotland's fine example of compassion in the face of the most awful atrocity of the Lockerbie bombing by returning the dying convicted killer to Libia! Incacerating people with out trial is another US practice that hopefully they will follow the UKs lead in getting rid of as we did with internment in Northern Ireland

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 5:43 am
In Iran and other countries that strictly observe and obey Sharia law and Islamic doctrine women are beaten for such crimes as preparing a meal that the husband doesn't like or for not wanting to have sex with the husband when he wishes. Women who "allow" themselves to be gang raped have been viciously punished and even stoned to death. Sharia law is being allowed in England on a limited basis... It is being promoted and actively sought after here as well.

Islam is very attractive to angry young men who feel disenfranchised by our society and those of us who are truly interested in womens rights, gay rights and human rights in general have a great deal to fear from Islam. This is not a statement of hatred but of deep concern from simple observations of current societal trends.

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 11:03 pm
Such beating makes the whole back bleeding from deep cuts, with scars remaining.

Barbarians in action. Horrible.

Friday August 28, 2009, 9:57 pm
Thank you for sharing Terry! ~