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Action Alert: We Demand REAL Debates!


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Action Alert, Take Action, Sign the Petition, CPD, Commission on Presidential Debates, shill corporation, Democrats, Republicans, two-parties-only system of oppression, independents, Green Party, Justice Party, Socialist Party )

Brian
- 711 days ago - occupythecpd.org
These debates are organized by the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) - a supposedly "nonpartisan" corporation which is a puppet of the national Democratic and Republican parties, and the big corporations that fund both of them.



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Dandelion G. (386)
Friday September 14, 2012, 12:35 pm
I certainly signed and will forward along. I believe from the things you have sent or placed on the news that you are backing the Green Party as I am backing the Justice Party. But few Americans KNOW they have other choices than the two Parties.

Even when some know there are other parties they get caught into the I'll vote for the lessor of two evils, 3rd Parties never win (no they won't if everyone keeps being lemmings and voting over and over again for the same two Parties that keep getting us into more messes and have done little to protect our Earth Mother), so that we can all have a Country and a planet to live and thrive on.

Maybe if the other Parties like the Green Party and Justice Party had a seat in our Democracy, and other people could learn about them, learn what they stand for, even that they even exists, maybe we wouldn't have such a sold out Government to the Big n Rich_____________fill in the blanks. We the people certainly don't get our voice heard and for those of us who "think" and understand that the two Parties have not been in many people's best interest, a real chance, if all could be in the debates, maybe the population would recognize a few things.

It will be a hard fight, these two Parites, Puppet Dancers for the Elites, have this Country tied up. But the People do have the power in their hands if they would STOP WATCHING THE PUPPETS DANCE and vote with their own hearts and look into the 3rd Party choices.
 

Brian M. (145)
Friday September 14, 2012, 1:03 pm
Most excellent comment, Dandelion, I'd send you a green star, but the system says it's too soon since the last one.

I understand how reluctant people are to take a bold step and vote outside the corporate system. Twelve years ago, I was one of those people who thought third party folks were nuts. Nonetheless, I now realize that we can't change the problems within the system when the system is the problem itself.

Anyone that can vote third party at the local or state level needs to do so. If we have to, we can change the system from the bottom up. At the same time, we still have to campaign and vote third party at the federal level in hopes of at least winning concessions from our corporate oligarchy. The real audacity of hope demands that we persevere in our struggle to open the system to proportional representation and inclusion of third party candidates. It's the only hope we have of change in which we can really believe.
 

Carrie B. (309)
Friday September 14, 2012, 5:06 pm
Signed and noted. Once when I was younger and even more naive than I am now, I voted for a third party candidate. When I realized that my vote only helped to elect someone I really didn't want to be elected, I decided that until our political system changed I was going to have to vote for one of the two major party candidates.

The republicans have managed to create the Tea Party which is actually its own party. Look what they did in 2010. It might be time for the democrats to start a real Progressive Dems movement. Until then I will not throw my vote away and risk seeing Mitt-the-Twit elected president.

All that being said, I wish we could hear from ALL the candidates in the debates. That in itself might make progressives see the need for a true change movement. Thank you for the post Brian.
 

Michela m. (3875)
Friday September 14, 2012, 5:58 pm
FOR U.S: RESIDENTS only
 

Kit B. (277)
Friday September 14, 2012, 5:58 pm

Gary Johnson explained that for a candidate to be recognized for a debate she/he must have 15% of the electorate. Another of many problems we have seen since removing the debates from the League of Women Voters.
 

John B. (215)
Friday September 14, 2012, 6:09 pm
Thanks Brian for the link to the petition to the CPD. Signed and noted, and thank you Carrie for the heads up on this. All the national candidates need to and should be included and heard from.
 

Lyn Z. (294)
Friday September 14, 2012, 6:39 pm
Noted. Signed perviously. Thanks
 

Barbara W. (342)
Friday September 14, 2012, 7:55 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Dandelion because you have done so within the last week.

My comment and shared..

Please sign this petition for the debates to include everyone running for the presidency! "We" Americans have the right to hear from all candidates that have thrown their hat in the arena.

The two party system has nothing to worry about if they're doing their job! Why do they shy away from a debate with all American candidates that are running for the presidency?

What are they afraid of? Please sign...
 

Michael Carney (209)
Friday September 14, 2012, 11:45 pm
Noted, and signed...The American Political System will never be fixed until we have several viable Parties to challenge, the Republican and Democratic Parties, stranglehold on the Political System of our Country
 

Gene Jacobson (251)
Friday September 14, 2012, 11:56 pm
Okay, yes, we would be better served by a parliamentary system, but please understand that is not what we have in this country. Nor do we have run off voting, apart from some small jurisdictions. If you vote for a third party candidate, and Mitt Romney is therefore elected, can you live with that?

In Minnesota, we have an active third party, sometimes it has been the Green party, sometimes the Independent party, what the result of that party has produced is not only gridlock but a 5 BILLION dollar deficit. First, Jesse Ventura, who wasn't as bad a governor as he is an actor, but he got nothing done. Then, we had two terms of Tim Pawlenty with less than 50% of the vote. HE gave us the monster deficit. He governed as if he had a mandate. The Independent party siphons off more Democrat votes than Republican. In fact, in Tim's last election, a Republican, turned Independent and pretended to move toward the center, I still believe that was collusion, and though Pawlenty's approval rating was less than 50%, again enough votes were siphoned off to the "middle" ground to elect him.

Is that what you want to happen nationally? The republicans are going to lose this election, most if not all and more of the seats the teapublican's took in 2010 on a campaign of jobs, which turned out to be a war on women, are going back to Democrats who are more people friendly than republicans by a country mile. Give those votes to a candidate that has NO chance of winning and you can hand the country over to Mitt and Paul. Can you live with that? Can women and minorities live with that? Do you want another war, this time with Iran? Do you want Roe-v-Wade overturned, Planned Parenthood to disappear? Medicare, the social safety net, and $4 trillion dollars worth more of tax cuts to the top 1%? THAT is what comes with a Romney presidency.

I admire the ideals, I agree with them. But I live in a practical world. And I do not want the future for myself or my grandchildren to be what Mitt and Paul will give them. We should have more than a two party system, I agree with that, but until we find a way to DO that, that does not cripple everyone who isn't part of the 1%, I can't support anything that will elect Romney. I hope when you think about it, you decide you can't either.
 

Roxy H. (340)
Friday September 14, 2012, 11:56 pm
ty carrie dear for forwarding, signed and noted and ty brian :) smile
 

Pat A. (117)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 12:50 am
Would love to sign - US only. Excellent idea.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 2:45 am
Samo za Ameriku.
 

John Gregoire (255)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 5:51 am
YES!!!!!! Signed and very widely shared.
 

John Gregoire (255)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 5:56 am
Maybe a real debate would educate the wingers of both sides and those that are otherwise clueless such as the following true story:
This Ranks Right Up There.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

You, who worry about Democrats versus Republicans -- relax, here is our real problem.

In a Purdue University classroom, they were discussing the qualifications to be President of the United States. It was pretty simple. The candidate must be a natural born citizen of at least 35 years of age.

However, one girl in the class immediately started in on how unfair was the requirement to be a natural born citizen. In short, her opinion was that this requirement prevented many capable individuals from becoming president.

The class was taking it in and letting her rant, and not many jaws hit the floor when she wrapped up her argument by stating, "What makes a natural born citizen any more qualified to lead this country than one born by C-section?"

Yep, these are the same kinds of 18-year-olds that are now voting in our elections! They breed, and they walk among US...

Lord -- we need more help than we thought we did!
 

Carrie B. (309)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 6:06 am
John, what should I say except what I am thinking? Sounds like a republican to me.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 6:42 am
Noted.Thanks.Spam also reported
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 6:43 am
Thanks Brian for the post.Thanks Carrie for the forward.
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 11:12 am
Signed TY Carrie and Brian
 

Florence Eaise (132)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 12:31 pm
signed shared and noted thanks Brian
 

Jim Phillips (3208)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 12:40 pm
Petition signed.

Would love to see debates for all the candidates running for POTUS.

Least we forget that in 2000, a candidate running for POTUS took away votes that might have
gone for Gore. Sorry, cannot remember his name...

Ty, Brian.
.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 12:46 pm
People keep assuming that voting 3rd Party that Mitt Romney will win. How do you know that those voting for 3rd Party are just disgruntled Democrats? Don't you think that there are many Republicans out there that don't like the direction of where their party has gone too. That they too don't want Romney but do not see the future in Obama either.

I know the Justice Party is pulling in Independents, Democrats and Republicans. We are all people that are looking for what the party states "JUSTICE", be it economic justice, justice in the courts, justice for our environment, just in our foreign policy, just trade agreements, just a just way of doing many things instead of this path that isn't working that we are traveling down by both Parties.

Maybe John does lean a bit more towards a Republican thought, but he is speaking 3rd Party, I think I lean a bit more Democrat, but they miss the boat for me too. I've been a registered Independent all my life and I like what I'm finding with the Justice Party. MY VOTE is NEVER waisted, for it is MY vote. I throw my vote away when I go with the lemmings and vote against MY BELIEFS.

The first person I voted for was McGovern/Shriver.......I lived in Massachusetts, the ONLY State to vote for them. We got Nixon........because the rest of the Country voted for Nixon.........Need I say more?

After they lost the election, and by a landslide, Sargent Shriver said, "George, We May Have lost The Election, But We Didn't lose Our Souls"

That is how I feel, sometimes it is important not to loose who you are inside. Your Spirit, what you believe in deep down in your heart. Maybe if more did that we'd have fewer Nixons......

The measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of great challenge and controversy. Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

Yvonne White (231)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 1:55 pm
A real debate, with Everyone running would not harm the American people - but the Media would find it much harder to control!;) Then again, if people Only watch the debate & don't research the candidates themselves, it would be much easier for a charismatic candidate to pull the wool over their eyes.
 

Jim Phillips (3208)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 2:19 pm
Found what I was looking for from above comment of mine earlier.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-14/presidential-race-may-hinge-on-third-party-candidates.html

Presidential Race May Hinge on Third Party Candidates

"While chances are slim, third-party candidates have impacted presidential elections in the recent past. In 2000, Green Party nominee Ralph Nader became a political outcast after Democrats blamed him for Vice President Al Gore’s 537-vote loss to Republican George W. Bush in Florida. They became convinced Nader’s 97,488 votes in the Sunshine State cost Gore the state and the 2000 election."

Hate raining on third party choices but just wanted to get this article and quotes out there for all of you to read...

Ty, 
.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 5:42 pm
Again, not all the votes were counted, we had Bush's brother that was Governor of the State, we had a lot of dirty old time southern tricks, like send white men asking lots of questions to the black neighborhoods, people here do still remember lynchings, places to vote in heavy Democratic areas were closed with no directions where to go, as they were questioned they said the note must of blown off the door (ya right) why didn't they post a person there to direct people. I could go on and on and on, like this County that had minus 16,000 votes for Gore....that is MINUS.

So I hardly think it was Nader and Nader alone, with all that other stuff happening too. I know, I lived here during that time. Throwing that Nader thing out all the time is Democratic Propaganda, after all the TWO Parties BOTH for their own reasons don't want us voting for 3rd Parties.

Please read Dispelling the Myth of Election 2000
Dispelling the Myth of Election 2000

"Twelve percent of Florida Democrats (over 200,000) voted for Republican George Bush"
-San Francisco Chronicle, Nov. 9, 2000

Even if none of the factors mentioned above and in the article had happened, the votes of Florida voters themselves show that Ralph Nader was not responsible for George W. Bush’s presidency. If one percent of these Democrats had stuck with their own candidate, Al Gore would easily have won Florida and become president. In addition, half of all registered Democrats did not even bother going to the polls and voting.

So again, both the Republicans and the Democrats can keep banging that drum, I don't buy it, and I'm not voting for TWO Parties that are wings of the same bird. When I have a Democratic Party that signs in things like the NDAA, is pushing for the TPPA, which is NAFTA on steroids, condones killing it's own citizens without trial and jury, when it was the Democrats that took off the protection of the Glass-Steagall Act, I'm amazed at how many of the Democrats want to still be affiliated with the Party.

All I really understand is people fear the Republicans extreme right wing platform, of which I do as well, but that is still not enough reason for me to vote for lessor of two evils. If we all keep talking about doing better as a Country and we KNOW both Parties have failed us, then why should I vote for any Evil, lessor or not. I'm done, I've moved on and the sooner that the population of this Country can wake up to that fact and give those two Parties some real competition then all we get is this back and forth good cop bad cop routine.

Is like dealing with two Mafia families, they both are pretty much on the same page, once in awhile they take a pop shot at each other, but both are washing each others backs for the most part.

 

Susanne R. (249)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 9:12 pm
Gladly signed and noted!
 

Terrie Williams (769)
Saturday September 15, 2012, 10:31 pm
Signed, noted and shared on FB
 

Anne P. (248)
Sunday September 16, 2012, 7:11 am
Thanks, Carrie and Brian, I agree completely. I would also like to see Rachel Maddow as a moderator - she is fair but tough, and wouldn't let Romney evade answering the important questions.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Sunday September 16, 2012, 1:07 pm
The Republicans wouldn't allow Rachel Maddow, they would put up such a fit. They know she would not let them dance around the questions, and dance they must for if they really told the truth their masks would come down.
 

Lois Jordan (54)
Sunday September 16, 2012, 7:04 pm
Signed & Noted. Thank you, Brian.
 

Charlie Rush (53)
Monday September 17, 2012, 9:50 pm
The Romney/Ryan campaign will never, ever, ever, agree to such a debate.
They can't win it.

I am in compete agreement, with having a number of different parties, as is done in Europe. This is the only method of ridding our government of 'career politicians'.
Democrats and Republicans = Pepsi and Coke.
They have all the power and will not admit anyone else to play the game.
 

Vicky P. (463)
Thursday September 20, 2012, 12:15 pm
noted and signed
 

Nancy C. (795)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 7:01 pm
s&n thanx
 
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