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Why This Black Man Is Watching the Debates, and Voting Green

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Bruce Dixon, voter, Green Party, presidential debates, third parties excluded, election 2012, African-Americans, See Occupy The Debates, DemocracyNow!, FreeSpeechTV )

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"I can't say I'm not mad at anybody. If being ripped off and lied to, and having murders committed in your name around the world don't make you mad, there's something wrong with you. Yet, like most people, I already know what I'll do on November 6."

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Kit B. (276)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 11:59 am

I hear, though I do believe that any alternative party must spend a lot of time, like the next four years, concentrating on building a strong "grass roots" electorate. I don't think it's throwing away your vote to vote your conscience. The only problem I have is that the green party has been too silent till the last few months. While the money corruption is in politics, any alternative party has got to do the very hard work of on the ground organizing to get people to pay attention.

If you want a morning chuckle - go to Google and type in "completely wrong".

Congratulations Grandpa!

Carol H. (229)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 12:25 pm
noted thanks Brian

Brian M. (209)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 12:31 pm
Thank you, Kit!!

Brian M. (209)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 12:34 pm
Completely wrong: Mitt Romney!

Sue Matheson (76)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 12:45 pm

Tamara Noforwardsplz (185)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 12:49 pm
Thanks Grandpa! Interesting article. I will be voting for Jill Stein. Congratulations Brian on the new addition to your family. That is wonderful news and I am glad mom and baby are doing well.

Brian M. (209)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 12:53 pm
Thank you, Tamara!!

Carrie B. (306)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 3:13 pm
Because Grandpa, this man wants to throw his vote away and possibly help elect Romney.

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 3:28 pm

I do realize it is not popular to support third or alternative parties, but it is in keeping with ideals if not the realities of democracy. The reality is that one of two people will win this election. Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson and Gary Johnson will pull some votes, neither has enough of a ground base support to win.

Brian M. (209)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 6:03 pm
The only people throwing their votes away, Carrie, are the ones who plan on voting for the capitalists. The two-party system is a glorified wh***house and nothing more. If you want to throw your vote away on candidates who have made their money by dipping deep into corporate pockets, then go ahead. Maybe you don't care about democracy or the environment or the future of the nation, but some people are really fed up with the lies that both parties have been telling us for decades. Besides, your man, corporate candidate B, is going to win by a landslide. All the Green Party needs is 5% of the vote to ensure federal funding for 2016 and a seat at the debates that year. Or, is your faith in your candidate so weak that you can't even allow the Greens that much representation. So much for your notions of democracy.

natalie n. (164)
Thursday October 11, 2012, 8:45 am
i think the ones who can truly be neutral are the non-americans. i shall be following the debates and elections keenly :)

Brian M. (209)
Thursday October 11, 2012, 9:07 am
We've had over a hundred years of two-party rule by the same two capitalist parties, both of which accept countless millions of dollars in corporate "donations." What we have gotten from our corporate-sponsored parties: a decline of workers' rights, including the right to collective bargaining; a seemingly endless series of wars; climate change accelerating to a point where it may already be too late; and the most expensive system of health care to treat the least number of people. People say that I'm throwing my vote away because I'm voting Green, but, after 50 years of watching the country slide further and further to the right, right into corporate oligarchy, I'd rather throw my ballot away in the gutter than vote for the trash that have run our nation into the ground. There are Greens sitting in seats of power around the world. There are even a few Greens in office here in the U.S. The Greens actually care about people and the environment. If we had the Green plan known as the Green New Deal, then all Americans would have access to universal health care. I've had all the backsliding, backroom dealing government that I can take; I'm going to vote green. I'm going to vote Green, not because they will win the white house this time or because they will even take over a state. I'm voting Green for the sake of the future. If 5% of the people who aren't going to vote at all showed up and voted Green, then the Greens would get campaign funds for 2016 and a seat at the 2016 presidential debates. Then, the two corporate parties would have to at least answer some tough questions: questions to which most Americans want to know the answers. And before some corporate troll tries to shout me down by shrilly whining that a vote for the Greens is a vote for Romney, let me just tell all of you one simple fact: THEY ARE LYING. The people that vote Green are the people who, if it weren't for the Green Party, then they wouldn't be voting at the Greens are NOT stealing votes from anyone, least of all a party that gets over one hundred million dollars in corporate donations for advertising.

David Menard (43)
Thursday October 11, 2012, 12:50 pm
I Will probably vote 3rd party sick an tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. I wont vote repug ever nor will I vote for Obama because he signed the NDAA with its Unconstitutional indefinate military detention provisions after he vowed not to and the on new years when he thought no one was watching. Romney has already said that if elected he would keep those provisions of the NDAA intact mitt the twit with that kind of power is scary as shit. We need more parties as alternative to the 2 fossilized dinosaurs of the GOP and dems. I do not consider it throwing my vote away. If I vote for the lesser of two evils I have still voted for evil.

Thursday October 11, 2012, 1:06 pm
After Obama's last debate, I felt the straw that broke the camels back. As bad as Romney is, Obama showed such a lack of conviction for the American people's suffering, that in my opinion he gave the worst debate performance of any candidate, both president and vice president that I ever sure.

Here's a man who I was told took the bust of Churchill and replaced it with Martin Luther King. Can you imagine King, Ghandi, Malcolm, Lennon, or any of the other civll rights hero's showing such a lackluster performance against someone who pays less taxes than most secretaries making $40,000 a year; who ships our jobs to China, Who wants to cut medicare, social security, and Obama saying he and Romney agree on some of those cuts?

What we have folks is a conflicted president. After appointing people like emmanuel, Geithner, Summers, and other Clintonista's to rule with him, he has forgotten what it means to serve the people. He serves the have to ensure his reelection. He stood by and said nothing as Romney confidently told lie after lie. At least Reagan would have said, "there you go again". Obama said nothing.

Basically, I am tired of corporate America shoving corporate crap down my throat like Monsanto, the Koch brothers, the fraudulent corporate elections commissions that have conspired to limit this debate to the two corporate candidates now running, and flooding our democracy with their dirty money.

I don't know how I'm voting. It's definitely for Romney. For Obama to get my vote he must show me that he really cares for the well being of the American people. I put the emphasis on "show". I am tired of his brilliant speeches. I am tired of his promises. I want to see real relief for struggling homeowners like a moratorium on all foreclosures. Relief for students like cancellation of interest and cancellation of the entire debt. A real Roosevelt type jobs problem fixing up our infrastructure and investing in green jobs. Ending the Bush tax cuts. Coming out strong agaist citizens united.

These are only a partial list of things this president can begin to do opposed to dropping drone strikes on villages that kills civilians mostly.

I have voted for third parties in the past including Rosh Perot, Ralph Nader, and Lenora Fulani of the independence party. A third party will not win. Perot had the best chance and he didn't win one state. Obama probably will win. We need to marshall our forces now to hit the ground running before the inauguration. King or Ghandi didn't wait to see who would be elected. Neither did the unions during FDR's time.

Thursday October 11, 2012, 1:11 pm
I meant, "I will definitely not vote for Romney".

Brian M. (209)
Thursday October 11, 2012, 1:12 pm
A vote for either corporate-sponsored candidate is still a vote for for "corporate crap down...your...throat like Monsanto, the Koch brothers, the fraudulent corporate elections commissions that have conspired to limit this debate to the two corporate candidates now running, and flooding our democracy with their dirty money." Romney is not a legitimate choice by any measure. Anyone tired of dirty, corporate money should vote for the only party that does not accept it: the Greens.

Lea Johnson (2)
Thursday October 11, 2012, 4:17 pm
I am a registered Green. It is with a heavy heart that I concede to the pressure of voting against Romney by voting for Obama. The very thought of Romney in the White House scares the living (bleep) out of me. At this particular time, the destruction Romney and his reptilian thinking (although I do love the wildlife reptiles) would bring to the planet and everything on it to critical mass as far as the breaking point is concerned. The balance of all of life's eco-forms, and the needs of humanity hangs precariously, and Romney and his machine know it. They will be one of the most destructive forces yet to be seen on Earth if allowed to go forward. I doubt we would recover if he gets his hands on the wheel.

Brian M. (209)
Thursday October 11, 2012, 4:28 pm
First of all, if you live in a state that is already determined to go Dem, then those electoral votes will go to the Dem candidate, irrespective of how you vote. If you live in a heavily Republican state, then those electoral votes are going to go to the Republican matter how you vote. Remember, we don't actually have direct democracy. We don't elect anyone. The electoral college does. So if most of the people in your state are already committed and voted for one party or the other, then that's how the electoral votes for that state will swing.

I will concede that if you are in one of the very few battleground states, then you need to think carefully what you do. Do you vote for what's good? Do you vote for what you want? Do you vote against someone? Do you vote for lesser evil rather than greater evil? I admit, my choice is set. I'm voting Green. The electoral votes of my state will completely cancel out my vote, so my vote never would have elected anyone anyway. Nonetheless, I'm voting for good and I'm voting for the future because the Greens don't have to win or come anywhere near it. If Greens can just get 5% of the people's votes, then they will eligible for federal campaign funding in 2016 and a seat at the 2016 debates. And, everyone will still get an Obama white house. this year.

Don't be fooled by the hype. Obama is going to win. I have talked to many so-called believers in Obama and they lack so much faith in their candidate that it only reinforces my decision to vote Green. I know Obama is going to win, but why don't they? The numbers are not that hard to count. He is going to win by the biggest landslide since that drooling guy in the 80's.

To conclude, I repeat, if you live in a state that is already swinging hard one way or another, then that is how the electoral votes, the votes that actually elect people, are going to swing. Tough choices are only necessary for those in battleground states. If you like Obama, then have faith: he is going to win. I'm voting Green because 2016 is coming.

louise Woychesko (1)
Thursday October 11, 2012, 4:33 pm
Very good article. I'm voting Green in the next Canadian election. I've had enough of the Harper and his conservatives cronies, the NDP are sounding more and more like the conservatives and the Liberals have lost their way. Time for a major change.!!!

Brian M. (209)
Thursday October 11, 2012, 4:37 pm
Louise, I envy you. The Parti Vert du Canada is much better organized and actually has people in important seats. If the U.S. isn't ready for real change, then maybe it's time that Canada leads. Solidarity!

jan b. (5)
Saturday October 13, 2012, 6:17 am
Instead of a "green" party ....why don't these people work towards making the Democratic Party even a better one. . Even if a third party became that popular ....there is no guarantee they would not be full of frailities eventually as the democratic and republican parties are today.
Makes no sense to me to support a third party.

Brian M. (209)
Sunday October 14, 2012, 4:12 pm
It makes no sense to me for people to keep supporting parties that receive hundreds of millions of dollars in corporate contributions, but they do and they will in November. I'm done with toxic free market capitalism, endless war, and do-nothingism on climate if you think I'm throwing my vote away, then that's your choice. I'm throwing it away along with a $25 donation to the only party that really represents anything positive, the Green Party.
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