Thursday October 15, 2009, 6:34 pm
This is the photo of Kurt the first wolf...The video I have is from the second that happend this year...DO NOT WATCH IF YOU CANNOT HANDLE IT!!!

http://www.iha.com.tr/haber/VideoWatcher.aspx?vid=3612&cid=11

Somebody may have posted this but incase you have forgotten how cruel man can be here it is again...

Gorilly weeps for this wolf and its dying partner in vid...

Thursday October 15, 2009, 6:35 pm
Gorilly, I can't read this story. The picture alone speaks volumes to me, and the death of this proud spirit, just saddens me greatly. Awwwww, this is so sad. Thanks for posting the awareness and the horrific abuse of this wolf at people's glee. It sickens me. Truly. No other words come to mind,....really.

Thursday October 15, 2009, 6:35 pm
Here is a petition not sure if still in effect but try anyways....

http://www.gopetition.com/online/25353.html

Thursday October 15, 2009, 6:38 pm
Congratulations. You have successfully signed the petition:
Stop this kind of animal cruelty in Turkey!.

You are signer #7790 [?]

Thursday October 15, 2009, 6:39 pm
Gran Pat I dont want anyone to watch if they wanna have nightmares for it is truley horrid...Actually the petition is from Hans Lak after I had looked...

Big Gorilly Hugs

Thursday October 15, 2009, 6:47 pm
Dammit!! (I'm upset now). I had already signed, however, here's what I wrote in the space provided, just now, before I found out I signed before. "Your graphic filming of the horrific abuses and death of these magnificent animals is repugnant and sickening. Your extent of violence by the world today, is and will not be tolerated by a civilized world. Your showing the 'party like atmosphere' while this animal is being tortured to die a slow death in great pain, saddens me greatly. For humanity, and all that is decent, stop the cruelty that your people commit against any and all creatures, great and small!!!!!

Thursday October 15, 2009, 6:50 pm
Thanks Gran Pat I must have missed this one myself....I feel awful for it too....But you signed sweets already and good for you hun......

Big goirlly Hugs

Thursday October 15, 2009, 6:50 pm
I saw the video of Kurt, and I cried. I will not forget those howls of grief, and deep pain. (Last year, I think). God, the inhumanity of the world and of peoples of different nations. (even here). So damn sad. (and I don't cuss...usually. sorry)

Thursday October 15, 2009, 6:55 pm
Shooooooooooot Gran Pat you know Gorilly is the worst with her mouth....LOL But care2 asked me to clean it up a bit...didnt want to but how could I not be around you guys to make you laugh??? I slip from time to time...but not bad...but trust me its flowin behind my puter...LOL...

Yeah I know some probably have seen but the newbies they need to know...

Thursday October 15, 2009, 6:56 pm


OMG!!

Break my heart.

This is so disgusting, barbaric and cruel!!!!!!

Thnx for posting Gorilly hun!

Thursday October 15, 2009, 6:59 pm
Guys I really dont like doing this stuff to you guys but somethimes you need to be shocked back into reality about things we forget about, but you cant for this shit is still going on....Horrid as it may be we have to fight and fight and fight for ALL animal causes...dont we???

Gorilly

Thursday October 15, 2009, 7:13 pm
Amen, Gorilly!!! I had thought that they STOPPED this...but year TWO?? OMG! Horrific, and sickening. Thanks for your vote of confidence in me, and yeah, I know that Care2 monitors all...but I just got carried away (language there). Not just this one genre, but for all the pain and suffering of the animals, and children, etc., etc. that the world's peoples dishes out. I read last night, about the high heels that inflict pain on small animals, and THAT was repugnant at the deaths of those little babies. It goes on and on, doesn't it? But I agree, Fight, Fight, and FIGHT for all babies, and furbabies! TY again, for this awareness and all who note and comment on this.

Thursday October 15, 2009, 10:40 pm
Yuppers Gorilly Girl, mankind seems doomed to keep repeating history and never evolving. Several stories about Lobo the white wolf, (love this wolf) but I swore the story I read as a child they NEVER got Lobo.
http://www.endangeredspecieshandbook.org/persecution_wolves2.php

Friday October 16, 2009, 8:14 am
I cannot watch, but hate these people for this!

Friday October 16, 2009, 8:17 am
Barko I hate them too...damn sadits they are...

Big gorilly Hgus

Friday October 16, 2009, 8:56 am
feel i just gotta say something. but im at a anguished loss for words, ugh

Friday October 16, 2009, 9:07 am
Truley Heartbreaking isnt it...

Goirlly

Friday October 16, 2009, 11:46 am
oh,that's unspeakable!!!

Friday October 16, 2009, 12:12 pm
I could not watch. Unfortunately, the tape that is always playing in my head went right on and played this ,too. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE! I would like to take all who participated plus all who watched and did nothing to be treated in kind...tie them up so they are defenseless and let the dogs at them! Damn them to hell.

Friday October 16, 2009, 12:12 pm
What is wrong with people?!? I could NEVER imagine doing this to an animal. :( My heart weeps for these poor wolves.

Friday October 16, 2009, 12:15 pm
signed the petition

Friday October 16, 2009, 12:18 pm
The evil abuse of mans hand is just unspeakable to me....It is horrifying to say the least...and the wolf just didint die guys this went on till he collapsed then the kill dog went in but by goodness the wolf did get one in on the kill dog...but that was it....

Big Gorilly Hugs

Sorry to have posted this but as sad and horrific as it is its gotta stop one day......

Friday October 16, 2009, 12:25 pm
Now I can see if the wolf was free and was doing something bad and the dogs attacked and killed it but this is just plain wrong and sick. Its sad how people can let this happen......I bet the idiots that tied up the poor wolf thought they were not committing a crime when they let the pack of dogs kill this poor animal.

Friday October 16, 2009, 12:47 pm
This is completely SICKENING...hope the jury returns with a guilty verdict on those responsible and SOON...this is abusive towards the wolves AND the dogs used against them...just appalling...!!!

Friday October 16, 2009, 12:52 pm
I could watch less then one minute, then I had to stop watching. I did find the petition to sign. Thanks G.G. for letting us know of this cruelty.

Friday October 16, 2009, 12:53 pm
Signed, and I am shocked at how low the so called human race has sunk!!

Friday October 16, 2009, 12:56 pm
bunch of sicko's to say the least!

Friday October 16, 2009, 1:02 pm
This makes me happy that one day I will leave this crual earth... and my heart will no longer break for animals, tortured at the hands of cruel man!!!

Friday October 16, 2009, 1:04 pm
Thankyou Gorilly, for reminding us just how cruel and sadistic man can be upon innocent souls...

Friday October 16, 2009, 1:49 pm
I would like to tie his ass to a tree out in the woods some where and put a little blood on him and let the wild dogs or wolves have at him. How deservings is he to get it. Dang this makes me furious to do this to a dog , wolf any animal at all idiots. Yes Gorilly I'm on your list of course I'm silly girl right by you I stand and wish I could have been there for the wolf, oh yell they would have scattered, then I would have given it a decent burial it deserved. Heart breaking is the word. Thanks Gorilly.

Friday October 16, 2009, 2:37 pm
Well Im sure this story was posted once it had to have been...(but I stumbled upon it as my luck would have it) and thought as sad as it is we needed to be me reminded of what we are fighting for....In all the causes we value and the ones we will soon value.

Trust me I was in horror I could only watch his eyes..his eyes showed contempt for man and his stupid dogs...my stomach turned and my heart went to my throat and thought I was seriousley having a heart attack...I felt so F------- helpless...

Friday October 16, 2009, 4:00 pm
how can they sink so low this is just so horrible i promised myself i wouldn't look but i did it broke my heart

Friday October 16, 2009, 4:02 pm
I told you not to look you silly goose....!!!!! I knew it would really affect some of you really bad....

K how does one fix a broken heart????

Big Gorilly Hugs????

Friday October 16, 2009, 4:59 pm
This is so unbelievably HORRIFIC!!!!!!!!!!!! How can people do this?!?!? This is so sickening and sadistic! The perpetrators should suffer the same fate as those beautiful wolves. When did people stop caring?!?!?

Friday October 16, 2009, 5:04 pm
Who took the picture of this wolf?Looking in his eyes they say it all.I see the fear and he knows he is going to die.That is the saddest part.I could not watch the video.I signed the petition.We have to save the wolves.They are under attack by wicked people.

Friday October 16, 2009, 5:46 pm
Kristi they stopped caring when it involves money.....or some sadistic sport to train their dogs....

Big Gorilly Hugs

Friday October 16, 2009, 6:54 pm
You have successfully signed the petition:

Stop this kind of animal cruelty in Turkey!
Thanks Gorilly

Friday October 16, 2009, 7:20 pm
This is ragged and it really pisses me off. I am so discussed with all of the killings and torture, torment.. People are so stupid at times, what is with this tied-up deal??? Cruelty plays such a horrid roll all of the time. All of the timeeeeeeeee….

Friday October 16, 2009, 7:24 pm
Gorilly this makes me sick at heart. The depths of man's cruelty is bottomless. May they die a thousand horrible deaths themselves.

Friday October 16, 2009, 8:44 pm
This makes me sick and angry and - there aren't even words to describe it! The despicable depths of cruelty some people are capable of is astonishing. The eyes of a wolf reflect the world - the wisdom and strength, love and loyalty that is the highest possible expression of animal nature. To see those eyes filled with fear, pleading for help - it breaks my heart and hurts my soul. I only hope that everyone involved in this horrific act, and everyone who is in a position to stop it or prosecute the guilty parties and fails to do so will suffer the same fear and pain as that poor wolf - over and over again.

Friday October 16, 2009, 8:54 pm
Sharla and guys we can only hope in the next world we are all together once again all with the creature we try so hard to save...alas the ones beaten down, maimed, killed they will all be there to let us know we tried our best and they will show us what true love is...for the love of an animal from an animal is quite exquisite, undenyable and never ending...dont ever forget that......

Thank you all for what you do for me...I mean not to bring you pain...

Big Gorilly Hugs From Gorilly.....

Friday October 16, 2009, 9:14 pm
OMG!!! Cruelty beyond words. It is these people who deserve to be chained...

Friday October 16, 2009, 10:02 pm
All I can say is OMG!! This is terrible!

Friday October 16, 2009, 10:35 pm
I am distressed by the obvious prejudice against these poor rural people. I see no "blood sport" betting or anything like that. All I see are some poor shepherds teaching their dogs to protect their families and livestock from not just a wolf.... a WOLF PACK! I double dog guarantee that if anyone commenting here is faced with a wolf pack, a rifle is not all you need, nor do the wolves look so noble if you are empty handed and without protection of some kind. And yes, the wolf in the film was weak and tied up so the dogs could learn without getting killed themselves. What is depicted is indeed cruel. Yet, is it less cruel to watch your child get trapped by a wolf pack. I mean, did you ever consider the perspective of living in a cabin in rural Turkey with no electricity or running water in your home. All you have is your sheep to eat besides some vegetables laid in for the winter. Again, I see no fun being had here by anyone. I do see men living on the edge of civilization fighting for survival in an age old tradition. I, for one, don't feel qualified to judge them without living with them or walking a mile in their shoes.

Saturday October 17, 2009, 1:30 am
Thanks gorlly girll
you are signer ^# 7827

Saturday October 17, 2009, 1:50 am
Turkey clearly needs to address the actions of some of it's citizens but before we condemn the whole of Turkey we should remember the abuses in Spain against bulls often in name of religion and the idea of repealing anti hunt legislation in the UK by the right wing opposition party and the many abuses in other countries. Of course Spain and the UK are part of the EU! Also the civilistions of Europe are very different to to each other and what some have done for many years which others of us have consigned to the history books, will take education and variuos other measures to eradicate the cruelties inherent in some cultures, which to them are daily normalities. We would do well to remember our own shortcomings before we condemn everyone but we should continue to seek education in kinder ways for all regardless of their nation or culture. The biggst problem with some of the recent and would be entrants to the EU is the diversty of conditions within those countries ranging from stone age existance to palatial pomp and splendour virtually alongside each other and this is something only their individual governments can change!

Saturday October 17, 2009, 1:58 am
It also might be worth mentioning the American "sportsman" Micheal Vick is re engaging with his multi million dollar sport in the US having been convicted for in continuous involvement in dog fighting and all that that entails over a long period of time! The Turkish participants in the particular piece of crulty shown in the video clip may well take comfort from what we applaud by our actions in a so called civilised country like the US or indeed any other of the countries that we like to think of as civilised! We have a long way to go before we can be the unsinful first stone throwers of Jesus' words!

Saturday October 17, 2009, 6:21 am
Whether this be Turkey or any country. TORTURE IS TORTURE. This is not just about the poor tortured wolf. These dogs have also been sacrificed in order to please these sick assholes. We are dealing with this video in this country. this has nothing to do with EU or America or anywhere else. How did they protect their flock of sheep? Do you think the rest of the Wolf pack are going to see what they did to this wolf and say"oh we better stay away from this place"?I have heard about a Native legend that says that when you pass over-you meet all the animals that you have met on earth and they judge you based on your behavior towards them-whether you continue to bliss or pain. This is a very comforting thought for me personally-and I hope to God that this is true becasue at some point all of these torturers world-wide will finally pay for torturing the innocents. Thank you Gorilly for sharing this. I could not watch the video--thank you for the warning,but I know in my mind how it went anyway. We will continue to fight for these innocents and hope that the vile individuals will all pay in one way or another-either in this world or the next. This hurts my heart.

Saturday October 17, 2009, 6:28 am
Of course I signed the petition.

Saturday October 17, 2009, 7:31 am
Chris I dont beleive all people are bad but the ones that do this crap just like Mr. Michael Vick are sick truely sick. My family has had cattle was raised around crap like this and yes we too lost livestock did we go and abuse a wild creature for it???? NO, NEVER once did we. Its natures law. We tried to adjust the best we could to protect them strong cattle in outside pastures and the weaker one closer to home..no it wasnt perfect...but we didnt go out killing wolves or the coyotes we understood there is a price you pay when you have livestock...Just wish more understood that and the laws of mother nature.

Big Goirlly HUgs

Saturday October 17, 2009, 7:38 am
Max that is utter rubbish, you dont know what you are talking about. If you know anything about wolves you will know that they dont randomly attack humans. Youve been watching way too many horror films . Step into reality and see this for what it is - a bunch of degenerates torturing an animal and getting off on it.
If they had any sense of community etc they would be promoting wolf watching and tourism and making a hefty profit for their community from the tourism. This abysmal behavior just disgraces their people and their country. Its archaic and degenerate behavior which has no place in any civilised culture. If they were training their dogs you'd think that they would be more careful to ensure their dogs didnt get hurt wouldnt you and if you watch closely you can see the dogs have injuries. Which means they were not training dogs...
Chris call it as you see it, i dont see anyone throwing stones but i do see cruelty that needs to be adressed regardless of its location. Do you not think that people oppose all cruelty especially that in their own country?
Signed and fwd, thanx Gorilly Girl

Saturday October 17, 2009, 7:42 am
Red YOU are correct a wolf will slink away at the sight of a human...They have to be really really hungary to even think about focusing on a human...glad you brought that point up Red....again thanks.

Big Gorilly Hugs

Saturday October 17, 2009, 8:06 am
Signed and sent e-mails to the e-mail addresses and to my MP's.
I hope this will never ever happen again!
Thanks Gorilly.

Saturday October 17, 2009, 8:43 am
My point being we have quite enough blood on our own hands to wash off before having escalating attacks of rightous indignation on what some might call an "uncivilised" nation when many of us live in so called civilised nations like US,UK SA NZ etc etc who all have their own versions of this type of barbarity carried out not only by redneck and neanderthal types but also carried out daily in military and hospital trauma training by so called intelligent individuals at the behest of our respective governments. Pigs goats and monkeys shot at and blown up just to see what happens.Ludicrius exercise in labs fund by our tax dollars to asceratain how many times a monkey can be stabbed before it dies or suffers ill effects. This is the type of sin that prevents us from occupying the moral high ground and that is the sort thing along with such monstrosities as Huntingdown Death Science and labs of their ilk all protected by our slimey bloodstained "civilised" governments. I assume this footage was covertly recorded on a mobile phone or similar as the sound is discontinuous and the video quality would unfortunately not accurately identify any of the subhumans present! If this was the case it is also probable that the recordist would have been in danger themselves had the onlookers realised their evil deeds where being recorded! The strange thing about the dogs behaviuor is their apparent lack of interest their atacks almost half hearted until the hapless wolf is overwhelmed by the pack in the end of the video clip. The sound quality is so poor it is impossible to work out whether the dogs are being goaded to attack for example. The wolf appears to be pulled back by the chain on a couple of occasions but the reason for this is not obvious as we cannot see the whole scene and what may or may not have been happening in the background. Whatever it is not a pleasant 5 minutes and clearly the onlookers do not have the interests of the wolf or the dogs in their remit. So is this a Turkish low budget version of Micheal Vicks activities or the UK Lincolnshire dog fight woman, or some kind of vindictive American style wolf vengance thing like the shooting of wolves that have allegedly killed livestock or the aerial shooting of wolves in Alaska etc! Or the bizarre claims of UK foxhunters that the foxes do unspeakable things to chickens etc and then deny that they breed them when there are not enough of these "pests" and "vermin" to hunt! It is not only a mad world but a very cruel one and if I had bought this world from God's supermarket I would have returned it as not fit for purpose under the UK sale of goods act!

Saturday October 17, 2009, 8:53 am
Chris if you watch yes you are correct most of the dogs are just kinda confused but then and I have watched over and over again there is a dog not in the origional mix that they release and he goes in for the kill...I consider this a KILL dog one that they release to finish the job...maybe Im wrong but I know in certian areas where I live they do this to the wild pigs and it isnt right at all...Yes we have it here in the us also. The military and their idiodic tests now thats just unbeleivable to me. Im not calling a whole country ididots just the people that do condone this crap or do it and think its funny. They should have just shot the wolf but no I truely beleive they were training these dogs...The dogs kept looking at thier human counterparts to say as if...is this what you want??? All I am wanting is all the cruelty to stop and now and the peeps that keep doing this crap to be punished...

Big Gorilly Hugs to you Chris

Saturday October 17, 2009, 9:01 am
Gorilly you took the words out of my mouth! it is that lasy bit just before the whole lot have a go but as I said the quality is so awful and it is not what I choose to look at but I'm glad you saw what I meant and the dog to owners or onlookers is a bit difficult to judge as you can't see the returned look, I'm sure you know what I'm getting at there. Anyway it's definately not for anyone of a nervous disposition to watch but I was trying to be objective and work out what I was witnessing which in the light of some of the crap that has been floated on Utube etc could even have been a nasty hoax but I don't think so in this case! And big hugs back to you Gorilly.

Saturday October 17, 2009, 9:07 am
Chris you did perfect...WE are on the same page with this one...

Big gorilly hugs

Saturday October 17, 2009, 9:52 am
put on my facebook page..and signed, i always watch the horrific videos, I feel if you do not ,you can not honestly say how bad it is, well, not this time, I had to stop it, I was crying so bad......

Saturday October 17, 2009, 9:58 am
Kristen come here hun and wipe away those sweet tears of such sadness on gorillys shoulder....This vid is truely heartwrenchin and you have to be pretty tough to watch..For it will jerk the tears from you in a heartbeat. Your actually seeing such a wonderful creature dying right in front of you and no way to have helped him...Cause I do beleive any one of us would have done our best to try and saved him....I know I would have even if it meant useing my gun to back them off of him....

Big gorilly Hugs

Saturday October 17, 2009, 10:01 am
Ok I went back and watched as i said everyone needs to see to beleive.. still crying... People suck. those dogs are being hit by there "MASTERS" and forced to kill, they do not look happy about it, and when i saw the tail between the wolves legs........ wish I could do something bad to all those SICKOS. a real man wouldnt allow this.... a real human either...... we need to send them board games as they seem to have nothing better to do.. sick effs..

Saturday October 17, 2009, 10:13 am
Gorilly girl, Thank you. I too would have done something, I am one ofthose that acts before thinking, can not help it, and Ive seen so many horrors of man... I wish I could just smite all these horrible people..but alas I can't, you are a sweetheart and thank you for responding to my sadness.. still can not believe we as human are capable of such horrendous acts.,I read all kinds of profiler books and treu crime and yet, I still do not understand these acts against animals, babies as I like to call them.. WHY?

Saturday October 17, 2009, 10:18 am
I have wondered this myself...I can only say in my opinion that there are diffrent levels of Humanity...We the ones that fight for the animlas and people and the environment are on level 1...to which has empathy..Level 2 is the ones that care more about humans or theirselves with no regards to Mother Earth and all her creatures lacking empathy in some areas..then Level 3 ones who just dont care about anyone, anything no empathy at all...

Big Goirlly Hgs

Saturday October 17, 2009, 10:46 am
Oh Gorilly I love your scale only I would add a couple more, those that are just ignorant Id'e put at 3 and those that know exactly what they are doing at 4 and politicians who make such cruelty compulsory such as supporting seal clubbing or aerial wolf hunts, bison hassling and hazing etc must be level 5! What do you think?

Saturday October 17, 2009, 10:49 am
LMAO...Yes Chris those would fit in well....LOL

BIG GORILLY HUGS TO YOU.....

Saturday October 17, 2009, 12:45 pm
FUCKIN BASTARDS, I AM SO BLOODY ANGRY!!!! WE ARE NOT HUMANS, WE ARE THE WILD ANIMALS!!!

Saturday October 17, 2009, 1:12 pm
NOTED AND SIGNED.
I CANNOT, AND WILL NOT WATCH THIS ACT OF MURDER. IF THESE PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY ARE A COMPASSIONATE NATION THEN THEY ARE SADLY MISTAKEN. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT HOW THEIR PEOPLE LIVE OR SURVIVE....ANY NATION THAT SHOWS CRUELTY OF THIS NATURE SHOWS NO COMPASSION FOR ANYTHING.....SHAME ON THEM...SHAME ON THEM ALL.
I WILL FOREVER BOYCOTT ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE COUNTRY OF TURKEY.
WHY SHOULD I? THEY USE THIS AS A TYPE OF ENTERTAINMENT AND AMUSEMENT? AGAIN...SHAME ON THEM ALL.

Saturday October 17, 2009, 1:25 pm
signed

DISGUSTING BARBARIC, SICK, INHUMAN MONSTERS
THIS IS BEYOND DISTUSTING OR BARBARIC, IT IS CRIMINAL. THESE MONSTERS NEED TO BE PUT IN PRISON.

THEY NEED TO BE CHAINED AND TORTURED TO SEE WHAT IT IS LIKE TO BE THIS WOLF.

WHAT A BUNCH OF UNEDUCATED LOW LIFES

Sunday October 18, 2009, 5:30 am
Thanx Gorilly, hugs back :) That guy Max didnt like my comment he just sent me an ominous message saying just "not impressed". Max just telling it like it is, possibly you know youre wrong, deal with it! There is no exscuse for cruelty.
Chris i agree with you on most of it apart from where you think that anyone that that condemns cruelty is being self rightious because cruelty occurs everywhere...what are you trying to say? That because animal abuse is a global problem we should not condemn it? Plus i think you'l find that all the people here are pretty humble, it goes with the territory, we all sacrifice a great deal to assist those in need, especially the most vulnerable and innocent. Take your logic and apply it to child abuse and perhaps you will see the flaw in it...People are not self rightous because they condemn bad behavior, cruelty, neglect, abuse etc. Only those with an inferiority complex would see it like that and then thats their problem not anyone elses. Animal abuse should be actively opposed and condemned whether it happens where you live or across the world. There is strength in numbers and everyone needs to globally unite against this kind of thing. Some countries ARE worse than others when it comes to animal abuse but all of it needs to be stopped. That said were on the same side lets work together :)

Sunday October 18, 2009, 6:18 am
Am I on the right thread? Red N you seem to be implying that my logic excuses the rest of us from concern about anything beit Polanski raping children the cruelty inherent in battery farming, people sitting on death row for years when innocent and the whole gambit of collective nastiness that exists. Perhaps I've spent too much time debating elsewhere with people who are more interested in the words than the subject matter such as politicians, lawyers and academics what might be collectively called the educated ignorant! Let me use an example. Lush has launched a campaign against foxhunting the UK. Now some bright spark is going to jump up and say it's banned! Not so hunting with dogs is banned. However these bloodthirsty idiots are no fools when it comes to circumnavigating the law, removing the evidence of their activities, threatening and using violence against protesters and involving the police in protecting them while they indulge in their illegal activities. So how does this happen. simple the hounds need to be exercised and of course they have no altruistic regard for these hounds as they are fed back to the younger hounds when they are spent. I do love this hunting terminology. So if as is likely whilst excercising hounds amidst a red coated cavalry they come across a foxes scent it is of course difficult if nye on impoosible to stop the hounds who have been bred and trained to do one thing and that is chase and kill foxes and that is of course what happens in every place that hunting continues to flourish often with the police in attendence to protect these nice law abiding, law breakers from the attempts of the Hunt Sabs, League Against Cruel Sports and others who would disrupt these activities and gather evidence of wrongdoing rather like the Sea Shepherd's do for whales against Japan's illegal activities! Google in Hunt Sabs or Lush to sea video footage of these illegal activities by foxhunters. Now the point of my comments about rightous indignation is this and of course it applies to many other nations apart from the UK, except people are under tthe impression that hunting has been banned here! Now if I go to Turkey or China and express my rightous indignation about there animal abuses, well in realtity I'de probaly get locked up or deported but if there was some dialogue with either the perpetrators or the authorties, when they quite rightly came back and said but this activity is not illegal in our country and you are a hypocrit because your government says it's illegal to hunt in your country and yet your police stand by whilst it goes on and even protect those that do it. Now you pardon me for perhaps appearing a bit naive but I don't have an answer to that one any suggestions and of course the very people that don't want this particulaer law to succeed are the lawmakers, judiciary and even the supposed law enforcers! Acting almost in the role of killers assistant by virtually carrying the axe murderers axe and that is a metaphor by the way! I would be interested to see how some of those who have taken issue with that part of my post would respond in the situation I have described! And in case your wondering yes I signed the petition and yes I think Polanksi should face justice and yes I have lent my support to some of the apparently innocent on death row by signing the appropriate petitions and sending letters etc! However I am not going to fall into the trap of announcing all of any nation are cruel as it is most often governments that are to blame either through direct sponsorship of cruelty Such as Canada's seal clubbing and Australias duplicit'y of intent with whale welfare to the UK governments half backed anti hunt laws that don't work or are not enforced as with Spain's bull burning! and in that case the lack of condemnation from the Church!

Sunday October 18, 2009, 8:23 am
Too much cruelty is still going on every where on this planet,untill people get up to talk about it and shout out very loudly,it may come to petitions and gatherings and after all i hope that it helps to change the minds.

Sunday October 18, 2009, 1:32 pm
I totally agree on the fox hunting and the situation will be much worse if the tories get in. I assure you that this has the full attention of campaigners over here.
i think i agree with you on most things but i feel that condemnation of countries for the cruelties that occur in them is a very positive thing because it gets across the message that cruelty besmirches a countries reputation which in turn affects trade and tourism which in turn is an incentive for them to clean up their act. Shaming them is a very effective campaign tool.
i would actively encourage people to loudly criticize the UK for its bloodsports, perhaps it will encourage the powers that be to properly put an end to it.

Sunday October 18, 2009, 1:34 pm
Well I do think we all agree here this was a most horrid situation no matter HOW you look at it...It should have never went this far...EVER!!!!

Big gorilly Hugs

Sunday October 18, 2009, 2:25 pm
AGREED NOW WHAT CAN WE DO??????/

Sunday October 18, 2009, 3:34 pm
Not sure where you would start....thier government???

Big gorilly Hugs

Sunday October 18, 2009, 3:38 pm
TURKEY IS A COMMUNIST STATE, I AM WONDERING I THOUGHT IT WAS NO LONGER EVEN CALLED TURKEY??? AS A KID I HAD TO DO AN ESSAY AND IT WAS TURKEY THEN???? THEIR GOVERNMENT WOULD LAUGH AT US,THOSE POOR DEAR BEAUTIFUL WOLVES...... WE MUST THINK ABOUT THIS.. ANYONE HAVE IDEAS??? OR FROM TURKEY AND CAN TELL US MORE?

Monday October 19, 2009, 4:04 am
Tie them up, with nothing to defend themselves, outside a wolf den & see how they like it.

Monday October 19, 2009, 9:32 am
Max,
You obviously know nothing about wolves, and you comment is made up of misinformation. Wolfpaks do noto attack people, and there is not one, not a single documented fact nor case of a wolf or a wolfpack attack a humanbeing. You are dealing in fairy tales and myth. Wolves avoid people at all cost, and whatever misunformation and myth you've been reading, or tales you've been fed is far beyond true and made up fiction. This is the 21st century, and misinformtion is no excuse for cruelty or fairy tales made into made up fiction. If you have any proof whatsoever I, and the rest of the members here would dearly love to read this "documented fiction"..
You do not train dogs to attack any living creature let alone a wolfpack. Wild dogs left and abandoned cause more damage and harm to humans and wildlife than any made up fables and fairy tales about wolves or wolfpacks.

Monday October 19, 2009, 9:52 am
wonderful FACTS wolfweeps, stars sent. when the wolves attack farm animals they do it alone too... Thank you!!!

Monday October 19, 2009, 11:37 am
I've seen this videoa while back,i always make myself watch all video's i come across,not that i get the kicks out of cruelty,but just for the info on what the story is about,and to get a new boost to remind myself keep up the fight
This video also made me pissed of.These kind of hunts make me sick,well,any hunt that is.If it's a festive hunt, a hunt because they think the wolves are a danger to them or just for fun hunt,it doesn't matter.It's all wrong.
But to see that wolf trying to defend itself against the dogs,but has no chance,to see it go seek help from the dead wolf
already on the ground (at least,that is what it looked like),made me cry.And to see all those people surrounded chearing,or just watching pisses me of big time,pardon my language.
I already signed the petition agaisnt this,and did sent letters to Turkey

Monday October 19, 2009, 2:49 pm
Claudia I know it killed me to finish watching by then I was sick and very much in tears...

Tuesday October 20, 2009, 12:46 am
signed without seeing the video,sorry cant handle to see the horror

Tuesday October 20, 2009, 7:57 am

I'm sickened, angered, horrified and heartbroken. Once again, man proves just how "evolved" and "moral" he is.

Monday October 26, 2009, 4:45 pm
~crazy people just got crazier~
I hate these stupid lowlifes

Tuesday January 26, 2010, 3:01 am
This is man at his sickest and most evil, I despair of this world and that anyone who calls themself a human being could even contemplate justifying this. Let karma commence as soon as possible, I hope the bas*!*ds rot in hell.