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Monika
- 793 days ago - edition.cnn.com
Solidarity shown for victims and survivors in the wake of the Brussels terror attacks.



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Monika A (96)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 6:47 am
Three explosions that ripped through the Belgian capital of Brussels on Tuesday killed at least 34 people and wounded about 170 more, according to Belgian media, and raised the reality of terror once again in the heart of Europe.

We Polish people are with you, our thoughts, prayers & resolute solidarity with people of Belgium as they respond to brutal terrorist attacks in Brussels today.
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Ben O (171)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 6:49 am
It's a very, very sad day...
 

Animae C (516)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 7:11 am
What?!? Three explosions!!!
Last i heard there was two! There must have been another one!!!
This is absolutely horrific!!!!

JE SUIS BRUSELLES!
 

Monika A (96)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 7:50 am
Yes :-( three explosions, I am deeply saddened by the large loss of life and injuries caused by the brutal and cowardly terrorist attacks , this tragedy in the heart of Europe reminds us that this is an attack not just on Belgium but this is an attack on all of humanity, and I believe we all stand together with Belgium on this tragic day.
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Je Suis Bruxelles
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 8:17 am
Very very sad and a dangerous time. . .
Shared
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 8:36 am
SO SAD , IS A TRAGEDY , I HAVE NOT MANY HOPE FOR THE FUTURE!!!!
 

Monika A (96)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 8:51 am
Yes Roberto, I can fully understand what you mean... I'm afraid that this is the horrible beginning, we have to say it clearly - Europe became victim of terror and violence. As I am not an expert on internet and the new media,but I know one thing... Cowardly Terrorism is an indirect psychological strategy which avoids direct contact with opponents.

 

Sheryl G (363)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 8:56 am
I had just gotten off the telephone with my Aunt who informed me of this. Man's inhumanity to man is indeed on full scale. We never know where this ugly evil will arise it's head next. My words offer little comfort to those who suffer, but all good people must do what we can whenever and wherever we can to temper down the hateful rhetoric and leaders of the world need to do better. Too many times the leaders stir the pot and it makes this worse not better. I'm not sure how we put the evil genie back in the bottle at this point but I fear that this will only have a negative impact for all those "good" people who are stateless today and are refugees. This I fear is the intention, ISIS and groups like them thrive in chaos and people in poverty are recruits for the next batch of extremist to grow out of.
 

Ted W (127)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 9:05 am
Noted, forwarded, and shared ultra-liberally across four networks! Just terrible-a tragedy to be sure-wonder if all this will ever stop! Many thanks for sharing, Monika!-excellent article BTW
 

Jo S (619)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 9:20 am
Noted & shared.
Very sad time in our world!!
Thanks Monika.
 

Anne No Fwd Pls M (102)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 9:22 am
http://www.mesopinions.com/public/img/message/tous-unis-contre-le-terrorisme/bruxelles.jpg
 

Anne No Fwd Pls M (102)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 9:33 am
http://www.mesopinions.com/message/tous-unis-contre-le-terrorisme/
The link to leave a message for Belgium.
 

Kerstin Strobl (371)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 9:41 am
horrible
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 10:02 am
So awful Europe is in a whole lot of trouble trouble on the whole. These attacks are happen with more frequency. Sent message. thx Monika+Anne
 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 10:05 am


Thank you, Monika. The Religion of Peace strikes again with its "Inner" Jihad. May all of those souls lost in these attacks rest in peace, all of the injured have a complete recovery and all of the families and friends of those who have been been killed or hurt in this horrific spate of bombings find comfort.

 

. (0)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 10:06 am
the world is becoming less safe. How much sorrow I feel now. thank you Monika. I have been so busy today I just heard the news on the radio .. I still have not seen or read anything about it.
 

Apolonia Pl (393)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 10:34 am
OMG!! (*) Which country will be next?!...
 

Sue H (7)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 10:35 am
Prayers Up.
 

Mandi T (375)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 10:48 am
Watched on the news this horrific attack. So, so sad !! My hearts go out to all. TY Monika
Je Suis Bruxelles
 

Mandi T (375)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 11:04 am
Watched the aftermath this morning. So, so, sad. Such inhumanity. I pray for all the injured and those that lost their lives. TY Monika. Je Suis Bruxelles
 

Colleen V (165)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 11:20 am
I still have family over there on my mother-in-laws side.
Just finding out about this now... I feel sick to my stomach.
Please pray for the people of Brussels and my MeeMa's family.
 

Stella G (403)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 11:23 am
E' terribile, si è voluto colpire il cuore dell'Europa ancora una volta. 34 morti e 187 feriti!!! Lo stato Islamico ha rivendicato l'attentato, aggiungendo che colpiranno ancora. Sono veramente molto triste.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 11:36 am
solidarity, sympathy and compassion - that's all I can show. Thanks Monika!

it seems our time gets more and more worse every minute, every hour; Everywhere in this world terror is a daily enemy and if you made your day without being at the wrong place at the wrong time you can thank god and hope that you will also make it tomorrow without get harmed.
 

Ivana D (50)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 12:03 pm
I can't believe it's happening again :'(
 

JL A (281)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 12:03 pm
As John Donne said...every death diminishes us all...prayerfully noted.
 

Marija M (29)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 12:29 pm
So very very sad day...
 

Sheryl G (363)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 12:36 pm
Please keep us posted Colleen as to your findings which I hope are positive.
 

Monika A (96)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 1:03 pm
Colleen, I'm with you ... but somehow " under my skin" I feel, that everything will be ok with yours, anyway I hope it will be ok.
I have heard the news, that among victims were also the Polish people .
My thoughts are in Brussels and I pray for the victims.
 

Caroline S (78)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 1:15 pm
Thank you, Monika.
Je suis Bruxelles :*-((
 

Joanne Dixon (38)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 1:24 pm
Which country will be next? Which city or cities will be next? Sadly, likely the ones which show the most solidarity with this loss. Something in me tells me Brussels is being "punished" for good behavior - for the cat memes passed around the help keep spirits up and let law enforcement do their job. I would love to be wrong.
 

S J (130)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 1:36 pm
i am so sad to hear it again. what do this people want from killing innocent people? so coward!
i am with you Belgium and Brussels.
meoww Monika and Ted for fwd
 

Monika A (96)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 1:41 pm
• Brussels airport explosions: Two blasts early on Tuesday morning
• Third explosion rocks Metro system close to EU buildings hour later
• 34 killed and 200+ injured in coordinated attacks on Belgian capital

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Islamic State claims responsibility for airport and Metro bombings
 

Monika A (96)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 1:46 pm
George Takei : "Our hearts today are full of grief, but tomorrow let them not be full of hate. That is what terror demands, and we shall not give it that victory. If it is our way of life they seek to destroy, let us respond instead by standing stronger and taller still, uncowed by these acts from Paris to Ankara to Brussels, unshaken by their cowardice and hatred. Let us remember that good people, of all faiths and nations, suffer from extremist terror and religious violence. We must be united in both our compassion and our resolve. There will be those who seek to exploit this bloodshed to their own aims and ambitions, doubling down on their rhetoric and politics of fear and division. Our mettle as freedom-loving people shall be sorely tested by these attacks. Whatever we do next, let it be without haste, without hatred. That is a difficult thing to ask, a very tough and narrow path to tread, but it is the only way through."
 

Birgit W (160)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 1:59 pm
I am sending all my love to all the suffering people on our planet.
 

SylvieBusy A (193)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 2:01 pm
It's an other very sad day. So stupid !

Noted & shared on FB and Twitter, Monika.
 

Evelyn B (62)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 2:16 pm
Thanks Monika
Je suis Bruxelles, Je suis Istanbul, Je suis Ankara, Je suis Paris, Je suis Beirut ....

Je suis - all victims of political violence - terrorist or state driven.

So many human lives wasted, lost.
So many families suffering from loss.

Time to find ways to defeat the drivers of violence, because there are too many movements justifying violence as a strategy, endorsing violent actions & reactions.

Time to defeat hate, build mutual respect & understanding ... to stop concentrating on (relatively minor ) differences and recognise all that we humans have in common

A chunk of "humankind" is becoming "inhumankind", through greed, power games, fear, and hate
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 2:32 pm

We’re thankful that our friend Nele, who passes daily through the Metro station to go to her work at the EU facility, is safe and unharmed. Our hearts go out to the victims of yet another senseless and horrifying attack.

I’m saddened that I couldn’t find on Care2 any

#Je suis Turkey (for several attacks in Istanbul and in Ankara in 2016 with a death toll well above 100 )

#Je suis la Côte d’Ivoire (March 17, 2016, 22 dead)

#Je suis l’Egypte (3 days – 19th of March - 18 dead)

Do they not deserve that we stand in solidarity with them? Do they not have the same value?

Only if we see “#Je suis le victime d’un attentat de terrorisme” every time there is such an attack irrespective of the colour, race and religion of the victims and/or country … only then will the world be on the right path to peace. As long as we have different tags on victims of terror attacks – nothing will change.

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What is truly shocking and alarming is the fact that, despite Bruxelles and Belgium in general being on heightened alert, these criminals managed to get through all security checks?! Doesn't this raise eyebrows and lots of question marks? I would love to know which security company is responsible for the checks at the airport.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 2:54 pm

It seems, Evelyn, we're again thinking along the same line - and posting at the same time.

You say "because there are too many movements justifying violence as a strategy, ...".I wouldn't call States a movement; states who justify and use violence as a strategy to expand - whether it is their influence or their territories. They're just all the same terrorists - one with the blessings of parliaments, politicians and many of their citizens; the other ones ... who knows their true motives ...

People always conveniently forget what the trigger is for today's violence everywhere. Or is it that people really believe that killing 2'379 innocent civilians in order to get 84 (!!!) confirmed Al Qaeda militants is justifiable in any way? This is state's sanctioned terror on civilians executed with high-tech methods as opposed to the "poor man's means" which is the human bomb aka suicide bomber although this is a wrong definition altogether, created to insinuate that the person wanted to commit suicide anyway.



Again - do those lives not count?

#Je suis l'innocent victime d'une drone Américaine ...
 

Walter F (128)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 2:56 pm
je suis Bruxelles Our heartfelt prayers and sympathies with the Belgian people who lost loved ones in this inhuman act.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 3:05 pm
Peace waits somewhere in time. First, we must rid ourselves of the serpents in what could and should be our Garden Of Eden. Brussels is on our minds, in our prayers and weighs heavy on our hearts. Heal quickly Brussels. We must all be alert to Isis terrorists and all who hiss in the garden.
 

Miguel d (44)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 3:06 pm
Thanks Monica
As said Evelyn above evelyn: "Je suis - all victims of political violence - terrorist or state driven".
So sad :(
 

Vivian B (169)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 3:13 pm
I want to say I feel violated. But that is just for the people of Brussels, I guess. I don't know what to think. They have made life unbearable for SO many people.
#JeSuisBruxelles!!!
 

tonia Deur (12)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 3:13 pm
# he suis Brussels. # he suiss the world.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 3:18 pm
But is there any WAY OUT, any solution for violence and terrorism?... How whole civilised world can cope with that?...
 

Marie-Ange B (53)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 3:23 pm
Belgium is the neighbor country of Luxembourg, my country!
*Je suis Bruxelles" :‘-(
 

Lone F (67)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 3:28 pm
#JeSuisBruxelles!!!
 

Naoko i (264)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 3:38 pm
This is so sad. And very scary that no country, nobody is safe anymore.
 

Christeen A (368)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 4:02 pm
Prayers being said for Belgium.
 

Val M (82)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 4:08 pm
Je Suis Bruxelles.. Very sad and shocked. I have been to Brussels several times in the past. It always seemed nice and peaceful, with good food and friendly people. . Now, the fear is so strong there...
Thanks for posting George Takei's statement. . I have heard several American travelers on the news, who say this terror will NOT affect their plans to visit Europe.. The feeling is that if they just stay home, then the terrorists have won..
 

Val M (82)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 4:19 pm
The last news report I saw indicated that at least 34 people had died, and over 200 were injured..
 

Maggie D (69)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 4:46 pm
How nice it would be if diplomacy could remedy ISIS terror. Clearly, it won't. Diplomacy, or a cover up, is what has been used ever since 1972 when members of the Nation of Islam, led by Louis Farrakhan, lured four policemen to Farrakhan's mosque with a bogus call for help. Four officers responded to the call. One was killed and three others were badly wounded. Merkel's"diplomacy" opened a Pandora's box which won't be closed by placating ISIS or trying to engage them in a resolution. They don't want a solution. They want you and your land and they won't stop until they have it. I applaud the travelers who won't let these barbarians put a stop to their travel plans. My heartfelt sympathies to the families whose loved ones are being systematically eliminated by this cancer.
 

Maggie D (69)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 4:48 pm
Sorry, for those outside of the United States Farrakhan's mosque was located in New York city.
 

Knud Thirup (51)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 5:02 pm
noted and shared. - Thanks Monika:)
 

Rose Becke (141)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 5:14 pm
Tragic
 

Angeles Madrazo (298)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 5:36 pm
So sad! Brussels, my heart with you!
 

Maryann S (112)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 5:49 pm
Noted & shared. Prayers to all involved.
 

Janis B (7)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 6:00 pm
Nous sommes Bruxelles, Iwij ZIJN BRUSSEL

 

Gustavo Castro Leal (101)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 6:02 pm
We are again experiencing a period of great insecurity and fear. Violence of the ISIS doesn't respect more barriers and the Western world is increasingly held hostage by a group of fundamentalist barbarians. Why Belgium? Why Brussels? It is true that there is a large Muslim quarter - already more than two generations - where poverty is high and young people live committing crimes and trafficking (of course not all). But these victims are perfect for being recruited by ISIS and after months of barbarity and almost brainwashed, return to their homeland ready to destroy everything that refers to Western values. And in that moment, grief weighs upon all mankind, the pain of relatives and the suffering of the wounded are divided among all of us that we reject again this terrorist wave that seems to have no end. My heart is with the Belgians, even those who were not in danger, but the truth is that the Western world can't sleep peacefully. We are reaching a situation of chaos where the victims they are children, old men, women, parents, in short, they are massacred without any criteria except the hate of fundamentalists for all who do not obey the rules of the Koran, in a distorted view mostly created by them. God help us, since the war is being lost.
 

Janis B (7)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 6:05 pm
That said these evil things who are less than human we are giving licence to do this by bombing innocent people in Syria, Iraq and Afganistan and when they try to escape treat them like the American treated black folk or Canadians treat indigeneous people and other nations treat their minorities. This cancer should be routed out by boots on the ground and a fair society developed in ALL nations.
 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 6:58 pm


This is what Islam has been doing since the beginning of Islam. Now it just has more powerful weapons and technology. Islam didn't start in one place and conquer vast swaths of the earth's land mass by being nice. They murdered and intimidated their way through till people surrendered and submitted. This is Islam unsheathed, what Islam is when it has power. We were used to a weakened Islam. Now we are seeing the real thing, and it's not going to be a genie put easily back into its jar.

Time to wake up and smell the cesspool. And do something about it.

 

Naomi D (43)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 8:17 pm
We must teach our children NOT TO HATE. We are very saddened for those who died and their families. We must be unified and work for world peace and brotherhood.
‘’It is incumbent upon every man, in this Day, to hold fast unto whatsoever will promote the interests, and exalt the station, of all nations and just governments. ……’’ ‘Consort with the followers of all religions in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship.’ Whatsoever hath led the children of men to shun one another, and hath caused dissensions and divisions amongst them, hath, through the revelation of these words, been nullified and abolished.’’ …..Of old it hath been revealed: ‘Love of one’s country is an element of the Faith of God.’ The Tongue of Grandeur hath, however, in the day of His manifestation proclaimed: ‘It is not his to boast who loveth his country, but it is his who loveth the world.’ Baha'u'llah
 

Janet B (0)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 8:50 pm
Thanks
 

Suzanne L (99)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 10:38 pm
For all Canadians - nous sommes Buxelles.
 

Colleen L (3)
Tuesday March 22, 2016, 11:11 pm
My thought and prayers go to all the ones that were hurt and injured. I wish these terrorist's would vanish from the Earth forever. How anyone could do such ugly things, makes me sick. Thanks Monika
 

Lydia M (80)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 1:22 am
Noted with Thanks Monika & Apolonia for fwd..

This very tragic situation saddens me deeply, my thought's, empathies, sympathies & prayers I offer to Brussels.

Je Suis Bruxelles....
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The Senseless Mass Murders.. by these Extremists, is Truly Shocking..
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 1:58 am
This is what human has been doing since the dawn of time, human egoism when left uncultivated, unleashed and conditioned to fight and kill is a very dangerous being. To simply blame Islam on all this, or any religion as most do, is naive and stupid.

Remove religion from the planet, and people would STILL kill. Try to understand that, Patricia.
 

Stan B (123)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 2:31 am
Darren. Patricia got it spot on and you are so far removed from reality you may as well be on Mars.
It is ONLY radical Islamic maniacs who are carrying out these attacks and slaughtering innocent men, women and children. I'm not interested in what's happened since " the dawn of time." I'm extremely concerned about what's happening now.
I've just read a report about one of Jeremy Corbyn's advisers suggesting British troops sit down and have a cup of tea with ISIS members. We are surrounded by dumb politicians and civil servants.
I've also had enough of the" Je suis" mentality. It doesn't have the slightest effect on these maniacs.
It's time to start closing mosques where Imams preach hatred and start shipping out anyone suspected of planning terror attacks.
Paris, Brussels, Madrid, London, Egypt, Turkey, the Ivory Coast etc. etc. Where next? Your city?
We ARE at war whether the Care 2 bleeding hearts like it or not.
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 2:37 am
A tragic day. Thanks for posting Monika.
 

M B (62)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 3:02 am
Greetings from Belgium.
I'm alive and kicking, although it feels ' we are (d)one' right now :(
Thank you all for your thoughts and prayers!
http://notafraidnotinwar.wesign.it/en
 

M B (62)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 3:13 am
(Special thanks to: Evelyn, Dandelion, Eleonora, Darren for keeping things in perspective, rather then jumping onto the hateful waggon).
 

Monika A (96)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 3:16 am
Stan, Yes , this is truth that the latest monstrous attacks against European civilians peacefully going about their daily lives seems to be very sad reality of our life.The reports said the attacks included at least one person deranged enough to detonate himself in a crowd of travelers and a claim of responsibility by the Islamic State. The reports told us that, the attackers in Brussels, Paris and elsewhere have all been radical Muslims. This are fatal times and nobody in Europe feel safe now.

But still, please,please, I got friends between Muslims too, there are a large number of moderate muslims working against these extreme groups, and I can not agree that everybody who is Muslim is bad.

Not all Muslims are terrorists. Fact.
But Radical Muslims are dangerous. Fact.

Fanaticism is always wrong and lead mind's of people astray.

 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 3:31 am
Absolutely bang on the money, Monika.

Stan and Patricia would have you believe that EVERY Muslim is a threat a danger to the existence of civilized society. Can Stan or Patricia REMEMBER where I live? Stop being induced by the propaganda and wake the hell up.
 

Stan B (123)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 4:20 am
I agree Monica. That's why I always refer to RADICAL Islamists which Darren doesn't seem to have the intelligence to understand. I've never said EVERY Muslim.
You need to wake up Darren and lift your game.
 

Roslyn McBride (44)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 4:45 am
I feel Monika & Darren are both very accurate, where some others are too extreme with their prejudices.
 

Shil O (0)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 6:02 am
Solidarity shown for victims

What exactly is a moderate mohammedan -- such an animal cannot possibly exist if the person believes mohammed is the best exaample for mankind to emulate
A moderate mohammedan is someone who does not believe that mohammed is the best example for mankind thats an oxy mo-ron
 

Farah Hage Ali (152)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 6:17 am
noted, thank you for sharing
It is a sad moment that we have to stand still and watch the world tormented by terrorist attacks
 

Winn A (179)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 6:50 am
JE SUIS BRUSELLES! Beyond sad.
 

Sandra Penna (135)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 6:53 am
I am married to a Belgian who was yesterday in Brussels airport, returning to Brazil. Fortunately he was not injured, but we're both still in shock. So:
#JeSuisBruxelles #JeSuisBelgique #JeSuisBresil #JeSuisPalestine
#JeSuis Tous les pays qui pleurent leurs victimes innocentes!!!
 

Hugh Smith (112)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 7:46 am
It' shocking to the core all those innocent people killed or maimed what an traumatic time for everyone, I just hope that the backlash does not affect the innocent as in all religions are based on peace and love your fellow man, there is no place for the evil minded terrorists in any type of society no matter what. It's so easy to say stuff in anger and to point the finger at Islam but it's not the case, terrorists know no bounds and are present in all types of society at varying stages or other.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 8:23 am
Moderate MEANS being balanced, in terms of body and mind, physically, physiologically, psychologically, spiritually, mentally, etc.etc.

This applies to ALL people, mankind, ALL people following whatever practice, etc.

The problem IS, that WE ARE NOT BALANCED creatures to start off with.
 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 8:31 am


All religions are NOT based in peace. The ignorance on display here is astounding. This is why the terrorism keeps happening. People need to learn what Islam is, not what its apologists say it is. And I am not talking about the Muslims who don't follow all the tenets o Islam.

As long as people choose to be ignorant, they will continue to be blown up and say Je Suis So and So after every attack, and there will be more and it will get worse and worse. And this type of ignorance deserves a good deal of the blame.

 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 8:36 am


Ten Reasons Why Islam is Not A Religion of Peace

#1

18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).

#2

Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included women.

Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#3

Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.

Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#4

After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other.

Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years among the unbelievers at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died. She even miscarried Muhammad's grandchild after having her ribs broken by the man who became the second caliph.

It was the same caliph, Umar, who ordered the death of the first convert to Islam at Medina, an elderly leader who became a close companion to Muhammad and proved his worth in battle. Sa'd ibn Ubadah was killed after a failed bid to be caliph.

Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman." 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death.

Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.

The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war...

And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!

#5

Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.

#6

Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.

None of these other religions are at war with each other.

#7

Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by formally threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.

#8

Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.

#9

The Quran never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.

#10

"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)


A real peaceful religion....


 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 8:39 am


From an ex-Muslim:

“I came to the absolute conviction that it is impossible…impossible…for any human being to read the biography of Mohammed and believe in it, and then emerge a psychologically and mentally healthy person.”

- Syrian Psychiatrist Dr. Wafa Sultan

 

pam w (139)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 8:48 am
Darren is absolutely right!


Humanity has ALWAYS found a reason to kill one another....always. We're a tribal species and, as human overpopulation devastates the planet and groups come into closer contact with one another, this kind of religiously-fueled slaughter will escalate.


 

Stardust Noel (38)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 8:57 am
Noted
 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 9:38 am


This is mixing apples and oranges. No one is saying that humankind hasn't always been killing each other. They have, unquestionably, often over resources. What I'm saying here, is that in this day and age, it is the followers of Islam that are responsible for the VAST amount of killing on the face of the earth bar none.

And it will remain so, until they are met head on and beaten back, not apologized to. This will only encourage them more, when they see weakness.

Yes, and we are overpopulated. So maybe we can thank all the Islamists murdering people all over the planet for reducing the population. Then again, they are kidnapping brides from non-Muslim populations and having multiple wives and 8-12 children per man, so that kind of un-does any help on the population reduction front.

 

Jay S (116)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 9:54 am
Hugh Smith and others who are under the naive assumption that "all religions teach peace", Patricia Martinez is exactly correct. She obviously is someone who, like me, has read the Qur'an, Hadith and Sira and has studied Islam, along with other religions.

Islam is the only religion that does NOT teach the Golden Rule. It teaches hatred of non-Muslims and killing of them along with those who criticize, question or leave it. No other religion teaches such evil, hate and violence.

Mohammed, the founder and prophet of Islam said: "I have been made victorious by terror!" (Bukhari 4:52:22/2977) And the holy texts of Islam, listed above, are full of this terror, hate and violence.

The few verses of tolerance in the qur'an were from the time Mohammed was in Mecca trying to convince people he was the mouthpiece for a god, who turned out to be the ancient Allah, the chief pagan diety of the Arabs, not the god of the Jews of Christians as claimed. But when he was driven out of Mecca because of his intolerance he went to Medina, became a Warlord, mass murderer and bandit and he and his band of thugs began forcing people to convert, flee or die.

“Any person who rejected the revelations of Mohammed would be eternally punished in Hell. The culture of religious tolerance in Mecca now had a new religion which preached the end of tolerance. Only Islam was acceptable.” (Sira; Ishaq:161) This is an Islamic text!

"Your Lord [Allah] inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the
unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and
incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers
and toes." Qur'an 8.12

"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you harshness." Qur’an 9:1

"Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Mohammed, Ibn Ishaq 992

"Muhammed is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves." Qur’an 48:29

There are far too many verses of hate and violence to quote here, but since the Qur'an isn't written in chronological order, and much of it was lost, the last surahs/chapters written were 5 & 9, with some of the most hateful teachings, and the later verses abrogate/cancel all earlier verses that contradict them. Apparently allah changed his mind as Mohammed gained power.

How I wish all of us would study Islam, read its holy texts (see above) so we can stop pretending that all of this Islamist violence, hate and intolerance aren't "real Islam". It IS true Islam and these Islamic terrorists from Boko Haram to al Qaeda to the Islamic State et al are all following in Mohammed's footsteps and his teachings to the letter. It is estimated that between 16 & 25% of Muslims are True Believers & believe in these doctrines of hate and support jihadi terror - that is as many as 375 million jihadis!!! This is no small group of "extremists".

Not all Nazis were mass murderers or hatemongers but the ideology they supported and believed in was an ideology of hate, intolerance, conquest and death. And it had very much in common with Islam.

Islam is an ideology of conquest, intolerance and war. It annihilates every civilization it conquers and suppresses every other religion. Just look at the lands conquered by Islam. Muslims are commaded to conquer the whole world so we will all be forced to live under its barbaric Shariah law, an ancient Arab tribal code, and they are to defeat us by hijrah (mass immigration), outbreeding us, deceit, subversion, lying, and terror. No other religion teaches any such things as Islam does. It is a quasi-religious political Arab supremacist ideology.

Please learn the facts and stop being deluded before it is too late!
 

Carol Bischoff (409)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 10:17 am
My thoughts and prayers are with the poor victims and famillies at this terrible time. So sad
 

Carola May (20)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 10:35 am
Thanks for sharing this. How sad, but it won't be the last such thing. The Islamic State (there are so many of them!) has promised more and worse.

Thank you Patricia M. and Jay S. I also have been studying Islam since 9/11, thinking I would be able to see that it is a religion of peace and tolerance, but finding just the opposite.

For those of you who would like to know and understand why Islam is so hateful and violent read this excellent and simple explanation:

http://realfactsmedia.com/mohammed-and-islam/

Muslims are leaving Islam in the millions as they find out what it really teaches and who and what Mohammed really was, and that is a hopeful sign. That is one positive thing to come out of this Islamic revival of conquest and terrorism.
 

Michael C (217)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 11:06 am
I offer my heartfelt prayers to all of the innocent people who lost their lives in that senseless attack in Brussels yesterday, and to their families as well...To those who were responsible for those cowardly actions, I know God will damn your souls..I can just hope and pray that peace will prevail, I have my doubts, but I am choosing to remain positive...To quote John Lennon "All we are saying, is give Peace A Chance" I am so tired and worn out from all the hatred and violence..It solves nothing!!
 

Monika A (96)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 11:51 am
I think , stereotyping is not good way to see the problem.
For example In Poland there are Members of this Muslim community, whose ancestors first arrived in Poland six centuries ago.
We live together from many, many ages. Polish Tatars are Muslim peoples of largely Central Asian descents and Polish customs, and in Kruszyniany , they live among both Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christians...
Until 1939, Poland enlisted special Tatar military units, known for their loyalty, to defend against encroaching armies.
Talkowski, chairman of the Muslim parish of Kruszyniany, a small village 60 kilometers from Bialystok, uses an anecdote about the visit of Britain's Prince Charles to explain Tatar loyalty to their adopted country.
Talkowski says: "when Prince Charles visited Kruszyniany he asked our guide, who was accompanying him on his visit, 'why did the Tatars fight their brothers in Vienna?' The answer was simple -- we don't fight our brothers, we fight the occupier."

As I remember rightly Muhhamad Ali famous boxer from US , he is Muslim...
Shirin Neshat - Iranian-American visual artist and film director,
Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan – United States Army Soldier killed in Iraq... ???
and many , many others...
Would we say that their beliefs leave them astray ?

Please , I've told it but I have to repeat :
But still, please,please, I got friends between Muslims too, there are a large number of moderate muslims working against these extreme groups, and I can not agree that everybody who is Muslim is bad.

Not all Muslims are terrorists. Fact.
But Radical Muslims are dangerous. Fact.

Fanaticism is always wrong and lead mind's of people astray.

And the another case and major fact now it is , that we have to be very, very stingy with who we allow in ...
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 12:11 pm
I'd suggest those of you who want to predicate the notion that religion IS SOLELY based on aggression, need to go back, and check your own version of history, and whilst you're at it, examine the realms of exoteric, mesoteric and esoteric religions.

ANYONE who plies their understanding of ANY religion based on a LITERAL interpretation is buying into a narrative of naive ignorance and keeping the human ego FED with its own soup of lies of keeping control.

The human EGO is the most dangerous creature on planet Earth, WITHOUT exception. Some of you pride yourselves on having an intellect, considering yourselves well-read, and not even realizing THIS IS an UNBALANCED form of knowledge.

Balanced MEANS having your entire body and mind being balanced in accordance with nature, and same nature that indigenous populations the world over understood millennia ago.

The same dangerous, uncontrolled, uncultivated human ego, WHICH WE ALL have, if it carried a gun, WOULD use it in retaliation, or reaction, if its delicate, precious but uneducated view of the world around itself was threatened.

JIHAD is the Muslim version of the INNER STRUGGLE which ANYONE following a spiritual / religious pathway would understand providing it was following this pathway with some sincerity.

Those of you who think it's OKAY and quite healthy and normal to go around murdering people because they are upsetting your way of life are utterly deranged, desensitized human beings.

As I've said before modern day America and Britain are built upon the exploitation, slavery and domination of others. Again, if you disagree with this, you don't know your history, and you're buying into the same twisted distorted narrative that keeps people AT LOGGERHEADS rather than trying to live peaceably with each other.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 12:32 pm
Hugh, as always you make some excellent points, but as usual, those completely blinkered and pre-prejudiced by their lack of understanding of what religion is, won't be able to "see" or "hear" what you're saying.

A shame.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 12:35 pm
Yes Pam. . . ironically, if Religions weren't being blamed, human egoism would blame something else. . . that's what human egoism does, excellently; deflect, obfuscate, twist. distort. Anything, but admit primary guilt.
 

m B (69)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 1:32 pm
Thank you Monika. We all here in Belgium are deeply sad and shocked.

 

Monika A (96)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 1:58 pm
I am a lot like Rumi, “I belong to no religion. My religion is Love. Every heart is my temple.”
If I have learned something from life is to never label myself.
To never place myself into a box and then live my whole life from that narrow and limited place.
Soren Kierkegaard said it so beautifully with these words: “Once you label me you negate me.”

PEACE MANTRA by Uma Mohan
 

. (0)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 2:39 pm
So sad. Condolences to the families & friends of all those innocent people killed and injured.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 2:56 pm
Beautiful stuff Monika. . .

"Love everything that breaths" Gurdjieff
"Practice love on animals, they're more sensitive" Gurdjieff
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal M (1067)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 2:59 pm
Thanks Monika
 

. (0)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 3:06 pm
So sp sad. noted and shared
 

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 3:07 pm
The Illuminates, the elites who run the world are behind this like all others of the past! Make no mistake, their agenda is working right along. http://lovingenergies.net/pt/The-Most-Dangerous-Man-in-America/blog.htm My prayers go out to the families & victims who lost life!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 4:44 pm

Darren, Monika, Mauricio, Mike and Janis, M.B., Roslyn, Sandra, Hugh, Pam – I can’t send stars so here’s for your much appreciated comments above:

*************************************


Darren, you deserve an extra galaxy for your comment: “…ironically, if Religions weren't being blamed, human egoism would blame something else. . . that's what human egoism does, excellently; deflect, obfuscate, twist. distort. Anything, but admit primary guilt.”

*****************************************************************
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 4:57 pm

The same terror, Hundred of victims – why totally opposite reactions?

Bruxelles’ terror attack is on every media, in everybody’s mind and heart and the hashtag #Je suis Bruxelles is known to everyone. ISIS – the criminal terror group which came to life with the assistance of the US – claims responsibility.

There was a very serious breach in security – I would call it an absolute failure – in that these explosives could be placed inside the airport, after security checks, including a Kalashnikov, which was used just before the explosives were detonated. All this could happen despite the country being already on heightened terrorist alert (?!). The world community, incl. myself, is overflowing with its sympathy and solidarity gestures for the Belgium people; the #Je suis Bruxelles was immediately created.

International reactions: In the immediate aftermath international meetings have been called for (and partially took place already) by the world leaders, security is further tightened, the PNR (which was being opposed) will be pushed through the EU parliament in April, etc.

Take two steps back and look at the almost exactly same situation on October 31, 2015 – but this time in Egypt:

A Russian airplane was downed over Housna, North-Sinai, all 217 passengers and the 7 crew members on board were killed. ISIS – the criminal terror group which came to life with the assistance of the US – claims responsibility. The reason as to why the airplane crashed has not been conclusively established. Some theory has it that a bomb on board was the reason (which would mean a serious breach of security procedures at the Sharm el Sheikh airport similar to Bruxelles), another theory (which is also supported by reports from the US Gov) claims that a missile hit the Airbus in midair. The investigations both by the Russian as well as the Egyptian authorities are still ongoing.

There was no #Je suis Egypt or #Je suis Russia created. No outpour of sympathy or solidarity gestures – instead Egypt was attacked in the media and by politicians, smeared, threatened with sanctions, etc.

International reactions: all flights from and to Sharm el Sheikh were halted/annulled. All tourists were evacuated from Sharm el Sheikh and other locations. Everyone blamed Egypt for lack/breach of security. Only some 4 days ago the EU parliament called to cancel aid, arms for security forces (polices), etc. to Egypt because of this terror attack.

Two very similar terrorist attacks onto two different countries, claimed by ISIS – the criminal terror group which came to life with the assistance of the US – claims responsibility.

Two totally different international reactions.

Why? What are the reasons?

That the terrorist attack of last Saturday, March 19, 2016 – for which ISIS, the criminal terror group which came to life with the assistance of the US claims responsibility – which claimed the lives of 18 Egyptians went unnoticed … no hashtags … no international condemnation of the attack … no nothing … well …

As I said in my first posting:

#Je suis Turkey (for several attacks in Istanbul and in Ankara in 2016 with a death toll well above 100 )

#Je suis la Côte d’Ivoire (March 17, 2016, 22 dead)

#Je suis l’Egypte (3 days – 19th of March - 18 dead)

Do the equally innocent victims of these attacks not deserve that we stand in solidarity with them? Do their lives not have the same value?

Once I see

#I am the victim of a terror attack incited by the MINPOCO *)

I know that the people woke up and see all the events for what they are - driven by greed, power hunger and resource hunger. To achieve the ultimate goal of dominance we, the people, are relentlessly pitted against each other with the willing help of fundamental, criminal mercenaries aka useful idiots.

*) = Military-INdustrial-POlitical-COmplex

Only if we see “#Je suis le victime d’un attentat de terrorisme inciter par le MINPOCO” every time there is such an attack irrespective of the colour, race and religion of the victims and/or country … only then will the world be on the right path to peace. As long as we have different tags on victims of terror attacks – nothing will change and we are just willing pawns on their chessboards.

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 5:07 pm

The most ridiculous I've read regarding this attack in Bruxelles is the following note in an article listing a timetable of the events:

"1:30 p.m.

A Belgian prosecutor says a suicide bomber who attacked the Brussels airport left a will on a computer found in a trash can in a Brussels neighborhood.

Federal Prosecutor Frederic Van Leeuw told reporters Wednesday that Ibrahim El Bakraoui blew himself up at the airport Tuesday in twin suicide bombings.

Investigators raided the Brussels neighborhood of Schaerbeek after the attacks and found a computer in a trash can on the street ..."

????

 

Lucy S (48)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 5:29 pm
Thank you, Monika. I have no words to add to the comments above. It's all heartbreaking and sad for the families of those injured or those who've lost their lives.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 7:26 pm
What makes Islam different from every other religion.

Sharia law is rapidly spreading throughout Europe under the guise of religious tolerance and multiculturalism. The demands for the implementation of Sharia never stop until all of society is under Sharia law.
Dualism: Islam’s Secret Weapon

The dualistic nature of Islam is that it is both peaceful and violent.

The nice Muslim lady at work and the ISIS jihadist who beheads Christians in Iraq are both following the Islamic doctrine found in the Sira, Hadith, and Koran.

This is confusing because we assume Islam must be either peaceful or violent. And since you probably know some nice Muslims from work or school, Islam must be the “religion of peace,” right?

The answer is that Islam is both peaceful and violent because Mohammed was peaceful at first and then violent after leaving Mecca.

When Islam is weak and surrounded by a large group of non-Muslims, it is generally peaceful and tolerant (Mecca Koran).

As the Muslim population grows and strengthens, Muslims become more forceful in the implementation of Sharia law and making political demands (Medina Koran). It is the same trend throughout 1,400 years of Islamic history.

Islam is never static.

It gradually grinds on, taking over larger and larger sections of the host country.

The later (more violent) sections of the Koran take precedence over the earlier (more peaceful) sections. This is called abrogation. With every country throughout history, as the percentage of Muslims grows and Sharia law strengthens, the non-Muslim aspects of a society and culture erode away.

This process is slowly and steadily unfolding before our eyes throughout the Western world.

Under full Sharia law, Kafirs have no civil rights and are called dhimmis. This practice started when Mohammed subjugated the Jews in Kaybar. Rather than being slaughtered, they were allowed to live by giving up all rights and paying 50% of their wealth as a tax called the jizya:

Read More: http://realfactsmedia.com/mohammed-and-islam/
 

Scott S (14)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 10:06 pm
Thanks!
 

Stan B (123)
Wednesday March 23, 2016, 10:40 pm
The Associated Press has recently announced there are as many as 400 of these radicalised " creatures " planning further attacks on soft targets in Europe.
Maybe if we start quoting poetry to them they'll change and become our friends.
God are we in trouble!!
 

Sherri G (128)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 12:38 am
Thank You Monika for sharing and Dandelion for the link. May all who are looking for family find them. My heart goes out to each and every one. Noted
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 1:25 am
Regarding Sharia Law above, I would suggest having a thorough reading of Sharia Law before associating IT with Islamic fundamentalism. For one, Sharia Law explicitly states that CARE for the elderly and poor in society IS an absolute.

The DUALISM is within the human psyche, egoism being the driver.. I don't know how many times I can emphasize that point. Religion is an excuse for dividing people, and those who blindly believe that Religion is the cause are feeding the violent narrative.

Change, dear Stan, occurs when people change their aggressive behaviors into behaviors of compassion and understanding. These current atrocities are the consequential result of the West completely screwing up wanting to exploit and control the East.
 

Teresa W (782)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 1:42 am
Tragic. Thank you.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 2:23 am
What a relief Darren! So comforting to hear that after they take all non-muslim women and beat, starve, rape and sell us into slavery that we will have to look forward to them taking care of us in our old age!
Compassion and understanding only got the whole middle east taken over by muslims as they count on all other religions to be tolerant so they can build up the muslim population around them and take over. Before Mohammed invented his bogus ideology all religions of that time lived in peace together in his town. He put an end to that with HIS hate. Take a look at my profile page to see what happens to muslim women who want a divorce or don't obey. No thanks to acid in my face.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 2:55 am
This is a human rights issue. After they induce Sharia law they persecute disobedience, non-muslims, gays, and women and children are viewed as objects to be sold into sex slavery. Are any of the bleeding hearts on this site women with children? Do you have any loved ones who are gay? Well you won't for long! If you are Christian or won't submit to Islam/muslim ideology you will most likely be beheaded. They have no problem beheading children either. How does that sound? Still want to give them a chance to assimilate? Get educated on these monsters. They make the KKK look like kinder garden. It will take a while and they will live peacefully around you until they multiply in number then induct Sharia law where there is no law that states that no law can supersede our state and federal laws. Then you can kiss your free world goodbye. Probably not in your lifetime but your children will have to deal with it.. Get ready for rape, torture, and death on women, children, gays, and non-muslims.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 3:00 am
And while I'm at it, how come I know all of this about muslims but our government officials and world leaders don't? Huh?
 

Monika A (96)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 3:00 am
First of all, let me say that , I will not deny that terrorism is a real threat, it definitely is ! There have been over one thousand terrorist attacks in Europe in the past five years. However, it is extremely incorrect to associate the words “Muslim” and “terrorist” when Muslims also are killed by these same radicalized terrorists.

It is nice that stereotypes gets criticized. Now do the same thing on stereotypes of "white" people and the crusades, shooting of black criminals, racism, colonialism and all the other irrational stereotypes from the left.

I'm not trying to tell you, that if we see someone shooting us up , we should go to them and try to give them a great big,hug. It is completely wrong ,these people who are acting like that are not Muslims, they are criminals and have hijacked the faith as an excuse. And they should be treated like criminals. But still, even if ISIS, or another organization linked to Islamic extremism, ends up claiming responsibility for the attacks it doesn’t mean the rest of the world’s Muslims are complicit.

And yes, we have to be very careful.
We can’t have these attacks anymore, so we have to be very very, very stingy and careful as to who comes into our countries, or we’re going to have problems.
We would need to weigh up very carefully the consequences of our choices, and who we believe and we should't let everyone in ...

 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 3:21 am
I'm growing tired of this confusion over muslims due to lack of knowledge. You give up your freedom if you want and feel free to make all the dumb, wishful, bleeding heart comments you want but it will not change the fact that while you think they live in peace around you, they hate non-muslims. We do not hate them and neither did all of the religions they stomped out little by little in the middle east over the last 1,400 years.
 

Stan B (123)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 3:29 am
Ginger. I have little doubt your commander in chief fully understands what's going on. He is part of the process.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 3:30 am
Again I will post this and hope you read it this time Monika as apparently I will keep having to post it repeatedly on different people's articles because either you and others are not grasping the Islam ideology along with our world leaders or you are ignoring it.

What makes Islam different from every other religion.

Sharia law is rapidly spreading throughout Europe under the guise of religious tolerance and multiculturalism. The demands for the implementation of Sharia never stop until all of society is under Sharia law.
Dualism: Islam’s Secret Weapon

The dualistic nature of Islam is that it is both peaceful and violent.

The nice Muslim lady at work and the ISIS jihadist who beheads Christians in Iraq are both following the Islamic doctrine found in the Sira, Hadith, and Koran.

This is confusing because we assume Islam must be either peaceful or violent. And since you probably know some nice Muslims from work or school, Islam must be the “religion of peace,” right?

The answer is that Islam is both peaceful and violent because Mohammed was peaceful at first and then violent after leaving Mecca.

When Islam is weak and surrounded by a large group of non-Muslims, it is generally peaceful and tolerant (Mecca Koran).

As the Muslim population grows and strengthens, Muslims become more forceful in the implementation of Sharia law and making political demands (Medina Koran). It is the same trend throughout 1,400 years of Islamic history.

Islam is never static.

It gradually grinds on, taking over larger and larger sections of the host country.

The later (more violent) sections of the Koran take precedence over the earlier (more peaceful) sections. This is called abrogation. With every country throughout history, as the percentage of Muslims grows and Sharia law strengthens, the non-Muslim aspects of a society and culture erode away.

This process is slowly and steadily unfolding before our eyes throughout the Western world.

Under full Sharia law, Kafirs have no civil rights and are called dhimmis. This practice started when Mohammed subjugated the Jews in Kaybar. Rather than being slaughtered, they were allowed to live by giving up all rights and paying 50% of their wealth as a tax called the jizya:

Read More: http://realfactsmedia.com/mohammed-and-islam/

 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 3:32 am
I know Stan. He is a muslim too. barrack hussein obama.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 3:41 am
Why do you think he sat with a communist dictator while our sister's capitol got bombed and wouldn't come home, address the issue and send them help? Many of us get it. Meanwhile we'll wait for the next bomb to drop and for the muslims to multiply peacefully around us.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 4:14 am
. . . Oookay, I guess I better repeat, I GREW UP WITH Muslims, and LIVE AMONGST Muslims.

Bradford, West Yorkshire has a VERY LARGE MUSLIM population.

Do I FEEL threatened. Nope.

You are feeding into a narrative of destructive egoism.
 

Monika A (96)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 4:40 am
Ginger , I read all of your posts, please be sure. And I hope you read my, too.
And again I have to repeat, I got friends between Muslims. I don't belong to any religion. And I think fanaticism ( regardless of type of religion) it is always flirt with madness.
But still, I can not agree, that everybody who is Muslim is a dangerous , bloodthirsty fanatic, who is hating us. As I told you, we live here in Poland with Members of Muslim community, whose ancestors first arrived in Poland six centuries ago.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 6:11 am
Well Monika I thank you for that and I will check into this strange phenomenon. There must be a reason behind it as they carry the same little bible of Mohammed's I suppose, which Allah demands what I posted. I will get to the bottom of it as it should not have taken 6 centuries for them to carry out their agenda. There must be a reason. Thanks again and here's a video just sent to me with Brussels President speaking. Sorry I couldn't post a live link so please copy and paste.

Heartbreaking Prescience – A Pre-Recorded Video Message From Brussels For Donald Trump…

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/22/heartbreaking-prescience-a-pre-recorded-video-message-from-brussels-for-donald-trump/
 

Sheryl G (363)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 7:18 am
There were 1.6 billion Muslims in the world as of 2010 – roughly 23% of the global population.

As someone said, it is time to "do" something about the Muslims. Do what I ask to 1.6 billion people?

The strain of radical Islam had a good start in Saudi Arabia which the USA is entwined like nice bed fellows to get that oil. How often do we hear our Government condemn the Human Rights issues in Saudi Arabia?

Saddam Hussein might not of been a nice man, but he kept his Country in order, he was also the balance to Iran. The USA chose to go into that Country for oil again and stirred up the hornet's nest.

US prison camp in Iraq called Camp Bucca became the catalyst of the terror ... abuses against Iraqi prisoners caused outrage around the world. ... the camp is becoming an infamous part of the history of post-war Iraq. ... ISIS leader Abu Ahmed described in his time at Camp Bucca with great admiration.

Admiration because Between 2003 and 2009 it is estimated that more than 100,000 men passed through Camp Bucca, many of whom left highly radicalized.

Thank you USA....and it's leadership at the time. Go back all you activist tell me, who was in power at the time? Who VOTED for them? Anyone going to raise their hand? Take responsibility.

Because you want to make responsible every single muslim in the world for what some do and who the western power HELPED to create. Our so called CHRISTIAN Nation. Which is now in Corporate control, oh that brings me back to the oil again.

Each time you fill your tank, each time you use plastic and don't carry a sack, each time you live without a push for a green economy, you, and I contribute towards this. Each time you vote for the Corporatist, the War Mongers, you also contribute towards this. There is NO lesser of two evils they are all evil and it plays out in front of your eyes........but easier to "blame" someone else.

So as the saying goes......"Few are guilty, but all are responsible.' .

I agree with Stan in the sense that yes, Radical Inman's need to be removed, but in the same way I'd like to see radical Christians removed, or close the Westboro Baptist Church and those sects that hold their wives and children virtual hostage in some outback in some States.

I'd like to see the KKK removed, so on so forth, but we have to do it within our laws of our own Countries. Which reminds me, Sharia law does NOT trump OUR laws and Constitution, cutting off a body part is not legal, therefore, just like we have other murderers who think it's okay to do whatever, those who practice such things would have to meet our laws.

All Countries need to do a better job integrating in their "newcomers" and SPEND the money to do so. I'm recalling when the Vietnamese refugees first arrived in the USA, they were eating people's pets. They'd go and take them right out of their yards, bring them home and cook them up. The town and city officials, the religious leaders, the sponsors all got together and "educated" them on what was and was not acceptable. Very rapidly the newcomers adapted and changed their way and the pets became safe again.

Too many who find they can't integrate into society, and I've learned that Belgium has pockets of many various people, integration is not strong for some reason over there, however we do a better job in the USA as we have long been a big immigration Country. Are we perfect, no, but overall we do better. So now we want to cause harsh rhetoric over a group and push them out of mainstream society. If anyone can help to tamper down the "radicals" is those who are Muslims themselves.

You know in all of these bombings at airports and rail stations, no one is asking for the Muslims to raise a hand and escort them out ahead of time. They are dying too, they don't like the Extremist either, but to say all of any one group is this or that is wrong.

"Baby parts" remember that man, went to an abortion clinic and murdered people. The good Christian he was, saving unborn babies by murdering the people at the clinic, whether they were having an abortion or not. Why are we not rounding up all the Christians leaders who are inciting those murders? That has been going on for a long time now.

Also most serial killers tend to be caucasian should we remove all the caucasian off the face of the Earth or ahead of time, just incase, throw them behind bars?

So again, what to do with billion plus people, nuke them? Donald Trump mentions that as a possibility. Real nice after we have our agreement with iran. That should CALM other Muslim Countries that have already been dealing with our drones that kill entire families, the neighbors, just to get maybe one combatant and we find many times they are not there, faulty information.

More regime change? Like that has worked so well in the past.....look at the mess now going on in Libya, oh just to be fair, as I already pointed out the Iraq mess that can be laid at the Republican feet, we have Hillary Clinton and the Obama Administration, you know the Peace Prize guy, for the mess in Libya that ISIS is now in.

I'm not excusing the Radicals, the Extremist, but we need to dig deeper than just to say, open this or that book and say all Muslims are bad and evil. Ever read the Bible? There are a lot of non religious books to that has spurred on people to murder, movies and songs. Most people who read, watch, or listen to such things do NOT go out and murder.....therefore most who read the Bible do not shoot up people at clinics and same holds true for those who follow Islam.

I think there is a LOT of cleaning our own backyards before we point our fingers at a whole billion people.

But just keep whacking away at the hornets nest and blaming the hornets when the fly out and bite. Just do keep placing hateful words onto the internet, misplaced blame, stirring the pot and wonder why it doesn't go away and doesn't tamper down. Just keep electing those who make money off of confusion, division to keep the War Machine going.......they LOVE YOU. Hate they like, because violence begets violence and we know that makes money. Love......well they don't seem to be able to corner the market on love and being a calm peaceful world.

To SOLVE this, like it or not, it will require many, including the Muslims to "fix" this mess. It includes all of us in our humble spot on this Earth to the ones in leadership positions both governmental and private to deal with this in a better way.






 

Sheryl G (363)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 7:24 am
Just a reminder.....there are 3.3 million Muslims living in the USA many wear the military uniform of our Nation. There are over 900 gun carrying Muslims in NYC alone......called Police.

Yup, just keep whacking that hornet nest.......
 

Apolonia Pl (393)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 9:35 am
Just a reminder: you should distinguish Muslims form Islamists!!!
Muslims are followers of Islam, but Islamists are followers of IslamISM - fundamentalistic political doctrine/ideology, which tries to establish religious states, based on Shariat Law (there's NO religious freedom in it!).
Islamists are VERY dangerous, because they are extremly fanatic and hate other religions and western civilisations (although thhey use its benefits!). Look at ISIS, etc.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 10:00 am
Correction noted APO ! From now on I will make sure and refer to them as Islamists. How do our governments tell Muslim from Islamists? Are the Syrian refugees plain muslims or Islamists? I know the Jihad's snuck in with them and isis has made known 4,000 are in Germany unaccounted for.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 10:03 am
APO How I know you are from Poland could you explain why the Islamist or muslim refugees have assimilated so well in your country and no where else? Thanks.
 

Mitchell D (87)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 12:58 pm
Obama is not a Muslim. The world is not flat. The Earth is not the center of the universe. There does NOT have to be "...a reason," of some magical sort for the 6 century "delay," and so on!
 

Mitchell D (87)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 1:01 pm
See my posting about how the U.S.has fueled hatred:
http://www.care2.com/news/member/565542931/3967374
 

Jeannet Bertelink (74)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 1:16 pm
Thank you Monika thinking of all victims, family, friends and the people of Belgium
 

Apolonia Pl (393)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 1:46 pm
1. Most of Syrian refugees are Christians!... So Poland wiil take about 7000 of them soon, because they can adapt in our country easier than Muslism. But of course it's very credible that there will be some Islamists among them too.... Maybe quite many.
2. There are only about 3000 Muslims in Poland - most of them are Tatars (very special group living there since XIV century. Monika wrote about them in her posts above). In 3-city where I live there's about 1 million citizens, and only about 300 Muslims. They came here long ago - some after II WW, some later for their study. They adapted well to our culture, but keep their religion and traditions. We don't mind, because they coexist with us in peace and harmony. Usually they are well educated, so very aware of necesitties&conditions in our community.
3. Nowadays there's no Muslim refugees in Poland. And after last terroristic attacks our gov. won't allow them to come - people are against them. So only Christian refugees are welcome...
 

Apolonia Pl (393)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 2:44 pm
BTW: there are 50 states declaring that Islam is their national religion. But none of them doesn't accept Muslim refugees!!! WHY?...
 

Apolonia Pl (393)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 3:17 pm
Sorry, I forgot about Turkey: they took thousands Muslims recently, but only after they got huge money from EU. And also Saudi Arabia took some before.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 3:52 pm

Apolonia - I'm not quite sure where you have your info from that most Syrian refugees are Christians (Syria's population stands/stood at ~17 Mio, of which roughly 9% are Christians.) The absolute majority are Muslims but Poland refuses to take in any Muslims; this policy was in place well before the recent terrorist attacks. Maybe that's why you're under this impression?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 4:03 pm
Apolonia - after the page reloaded with my comment I saw your second last posting. Just FYI Egypt has taken in Hundreds of Thousands of Syrian refugees over the last 5 years and the majority of them are still here (very much like Egypt has over the decades taken in Hundreds of Thousands of Sudanese (mainly Christian) refugees who make a living here). Those Syrians we know have all intentions to stay until they can return to their own country. Initially they were helped by the Egyptian people, many of them opened their houses to them. Now they're making a living opening small businesses (especially in the food sector with big success), finding employment, being much sought after plumbers, mechanics, engineers and doctors.

And no, Egypt doesn't differentiate between religions although it's officially a Muslim country.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 4:06 pm

Dearest Dandelion – you deserve stars by the millions:
*******************************************************

You said it so well, very much to the point and to be understood by everybody – the problem is … your correct analysis is not wanted. Very much like what Darren said or Evelyn – they too face the same problem: the facts and truth are not what is in demand.

In demand is nonsense talk about Sharia to scare the Willy out of people … by foot soldiers who have no clue what they’re talking about, making up stories of [all] Christians being killed in Muslim countries or forced to pay half of their income as Dhimmi tax, etc. One can safely assume that the former 100% Muslim countries are building since some 40 years churches in order to lure the Christians in there on daily or weekly basis and then kill them! Strange though that none of the Western (Christian) Embassies see it necessary to alert their governments … or do we read/hear anything in the news. Not really worth to address it for the umpteen times.

What is worth the time though is the fact that an American by the name of “Alex Charles” has created in early March 2016 a new website which “he” calls in all grandeur “Real Facts Media” – LOL. He claims to have all kind of degree (might impress some folks) and just happens to be an ”expat living in Europe”. Interesting is that this website has in the short span of 3 weeks gained so many faithful followers that the internet comment sections are full of references to the only two articles on “his” site.

I believe it is fair to say that this seems to be a well-coordinated effort by the foot soldiers of those who stir Islamophobia to push this website which does nothing but disseminate half-truths intertwined with lies, myths and other “helpful” hints. Very see-through … but who cares? Important is the noise one can make; something will stick in some gullible people’s minds.

Goebbels would have loved to have such folks at his disposition!
 

Apolonia Pl (393)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 4:39 pm
At first mainly Christian refugees were escaping from Syria, where they were under biggest danger. Some came to Poland too (located in refugees camps). Some stories about them were published in Polish media. Fortunately Poland wasn't their "target" , because it isn't enough rich country to fulfill their demands). They DEMAND high social benefits without working for that!... Despite there were mostly young strong men in those groups of refugees (they refused to work!). But they didn't want stay in Poland for longer, so they were sent to Germany.
Next story: once one small modest Polish parish invited 2 Syrian families (Christians) to stay in their small modest village. They gave those Syrians all they only could: safe shelter and money for basic needs. They did it from their hearts, with compassion and AGAPE. But after one week these Syrians escaped - in the night, without any word of explanations! No any letter, no thanks, no gratitude - escaped just like thieves... To rich Germany of course. So don't be surprised that many Polish people don't want such guests any more.
 

Apolonia Pl (393)
Thursday March 24, 2016, 5:04 pm
PS: these refugees usually DEMAND but don't respect any good they got. They destroyed almost all refugees camps, leaving there devastation, awfull mess and dirt. It was specially visible in Hungary, where much more refugees came over. So Hungary expelled them, and started to build strong and high WALL at its border.
 

Stan B (123)
Friday March 25, 2016, 2:07 am
Apalonia. Thanks for your report from the " sharp end." Sadly the same picture has emerged from just about everywhere these refugees have been welcomed. They expect everything and appreciate nothing.

Don't be taken in by some of the spin posted on these threads. For example.
"And no, Egypt doesn't differentiate between religions although it's officially a Muslim country."

1. Egypt has been persecuting its Coptic Christian population continuously for many years. The report below is typical of many I have read.
" In a 25-minute interview on Arabic satellite TV with Dr. Mona Roman, Coptic Christian Bishop Agathon fully exposed the plight of his Christian flock in Minya, Egypt—a region that has a large Coptic minority that is steadily under attack.

While several important points were made, most notable was that the Egyptian State itself is often behind the persecution of and discrimination against Christians.

According to the frustrated-sounding bishop, local governmental authorities—including the State Security apparatus—are not just ignoring the attacks on Copts, but are often the very ones behind them. For example, when the Copts were having a serious council meeting with government officials about the possibility of building a church, one of the authorities actually contacted the Islamic sheikhs of the village asking whether they “stand with the Coptic church or with the State?” If the latter, each Muslim household was instructed to send one family member to protest against the proposed building of a church—so that security can then point to the mob and, as usual, just tell the Copts, “Sorry, no can do.”

Other times, State Security is complicit: Male and female Christian minors—currently 21 from just Minya alone said the Coptic leader—are habitually abducted by surrounding Muslims. At the moment, the youngest Christian girl abducted had just started elementary school. Whenever any of these attacks occur, Copts, working with the church, prepare bundles of documents, including photos and other verifications, incriminating the culprits. These then are placed into the hands of top officials, to make sure they don’t get “lost” or “misplaced” by underlings. The bishop named many of these top people—at no small risk to himself—and said he even put such proofs and documents into the hands of the Director of Intelligence himself. “Absolutely nothing was done,” said the despondent Christian.

He discussed the difficulties that Copts encounter whenever they want to build a church—due to their dearth, some of the current churches serve tens of thousands of Christians—or even make simple repairs. By way of example, he explained how the Virgin Mary Church in Safaniya village has no bathrooms or running water. Christians “tried time and time again to get approval to build bathrooms, to no avail.” The bishop lamented how elderly and sick people sometimes urinate on themselves during service, while mothers must change their crying babies’ diapers right on the pews.

In response, authorities told the bishop to “Go and ask the Muslims of your region if they will approve the building of a church, or bathroom, or anything—and if they do, so will we.”

It should be noted that Islamic law specifically bans the construction or repair of churches." From Frontpage mag.

2. Because of constant harassment and persecution, Egypt's Jewish population has dropped from 80000 in 1947 to about 10, yes TEN today.

Lots of Muslim love and tolerance here wouldn't you say.

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday March 25, 2016, 2:19 am

Apolonia – this is a sad story and there’s nothing I can say to it. I’ve not been part of it so any reason as to why this happened would be speculation. Yes, there are at times ungrateful people to say the least.

On the issue as such … don't get me wrong; I'm not blaming those countries who take or don't take in "refugees" and/or refugees. The masses that all of a sudden storm Europe (only) in a very orchestrated and organized way are simply too much to handle for anyone.

And that's exactly what should be achieved: to totally destabilize Europe because it has become much too strong.

I do put the blame squarely where it belongs - at the feet of those:

a) who nourish, finance, arm and train these so-called terrorists which are nothing but brutal and paid for criminal mercenaries who go for the highest bidder and who use misguided, disenfranchised, disillusioned and brainwashed gullible (mostly) youngsters to do their job;

b) who want to get a grip on the resources and/or territories of those countries who by accident happen to have those wanted and vital resources;

c) play us, the people, against each other like pawns on their chessboards - read in this context Zbigniew Brzezinski's book "The Grand Chessboard" (he happens to be your country man ;-)) and its follow-up “Clean Break” -; also read the Yinon report of the year 1982 – it’s all there and it’s being implemented with some necessary modifications over the years;

d) at the same time pit the religions against each other by painting everything and all as "this is Islam" which is dutifully propagated by their foot soldiers as we can vividly see here on Care2 no matter how ridiculous the claims are (see above some prime examples) – but

e) at the very same time foster the extremists in their countries and protect Saudi Arabia which promotes the most twisted, warped and ridiculous version of Islam: Wahhabism … and the willing foot soldiers toot that this is Islam (amazing how many Islam experts we suddenly have …).

What we see unfolding since the late 80's is nothing but a brutal run for dominance, securing resources which become very scarce and a well organized witch-hunt very much like what we've witnessed in the 1930's and 40's in Nazi Germany against Socialists, Unionists, Roma, Jews, Handicapped, et al. After all, someone has to be the official bad guy and it can't be the Christians or the Zionists (because they're at the "doing" end portraying themselves as "saving the world from evil") neither can it be the Hindus or Buddhists because they don't have what the Muslim countries have: the needed resources and land.

I always love to quote Condoleezza Rice, ex-Sec of State of the US, because she said it loud and clear at a conference in Tel Aviv (Israel) in 2006: "What we need in the Middle East is a constructive chaos" ... and as this happens out of the blue it had to be created. Yes, we have chaos but constructive??

All of this to create the "New Middle East" as it is called by the Neocons which means splitting up the countries which are much easier to manipulate and make to comply with the demands of the "West" once they're little statelets with no power and/or influence. The so called Arab leaders, all of which are equally corrupt like those in the West just more visible, play willingly along.

If they're not willing to comply then the B52-bombers bring "Freedom and Democracy" on their backs and bomb the countries to smithereens.

See Afghanistan who refused the pipeline deal because the terms were not on "eye-level" like it should be between trading partners and it didn't want to give away for free its resources; see Iraq who wanted to get away from the Petro-Dollar and use the Euro instead; see Libya who wanted to introduce the Gold Dinar instead of the Petro-Dollar; see Syria who refused the pipeline through its land and objected to the plundering of the resources of the Golan Heights by Israel; see Egypt who is not allowed to raise its head out of the sand ... and so on and so forth.

It’s not too difficult to recognize the game if one asks the simplest question of all: Qui Bono?

Happy Easter to you!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday March 25, 2016, 2:23 am

Stn - I just see your posting and will come back to it hopefully tonight. What is reported is again lots of lies, half-truths and spin.

And no, the Jewish population is not 10 but 97; even this you can't get straight?!
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Friday March 25, 2016, 2:44 am
I totally agree with Dandelions statement.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday March 25, 2016, 2:55 am
I personally find the lack of compassion amongst some of the folk here, alarmingly absent, in terms of recognition that everyone is a human being.

It's also interesting how some are definitely identified and have a fixed attitude in terms of their historical heritage and lineage.

With that egotistical arrogance and divisive attitude, it's a wonder that humanity has progressed at all.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday March 25, 2016, 5:13 am
Yes, it's obvious that everyone is a Human Being... :-) But not every human being behaves and acts that way, not respecting basing rights of ones neighbor. I lived in UK for one year and met there many Muslims. They were hostile to me only because I was "white". It was visible that they are hostile to non-Muslim people, even on the steets or in shops. Hostile and not nice.
There are very few Muslims in my city in Poland. One of them leads his small shop since over 20 years, and I'm his old client (he employes only Poles). At first I tried to talk to him - he is local imam of small Muslim community, so devout. He is educated (his 6 children too) but he is very orthodox: he is convinced that ONLY Muslims will be redempted, and redmeption can be done only by Allah!!!... He proclaimed that even in public, in our local TV broadacst where he was invited as Imam. Funny? Not really... It's visible that after his over 20 years of residency in Poland he haven't learned tolerancy nor acceptance for our rules. He still watch to us with superiority, sure of HIS religious truth. So I can't trust him, because he only plays "political correct" game. He is clever in sneaky way...
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday March 25, 2016, 3:43 pm

Darren - another series of stars to you: **************************** - you're getting a lot these days - LOL!!

Merlinka - did it ever occur to you that this Muslim your referencing has the very same belief Jews, Christian, Hindus et al. have? Each one of them believe that THEIRS is the true religion and only they will be saved from the eternal fire ... or something like that. Have you ever seen a (______ fill in the religion ______) who truly believes in his religion stating that he "knows that his is a wrong spiritual path but he believes anyway"???!!! I haven't and I know quite some extremists be them Jews, Christians, Muslims or Hindus.

You state that you're Catholic - don't you believe that yours is the right religion?! Don't you - like the Muslim you mention - believe that redemption can only be done by God (Allah is just the Arabic word for God)? I was brought up Catholic and this is what we were told in Switzerland.

Personally I believe that what the Dalai Lama said is absolutely correct - even if one believes in stones, that the earth is flat and in aliens: "The right religion is the one that makes you a better person."

As long as nobody tries to convince me of their beliefs I don't have a problem with anyone.

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday March 25, 2016, 4:33 pm

As for the constant reference to the Qur'an ...

Anyone who’s a bit familiar with the holy scriptures can come up with passages from the Torah, the Talmud as well as the Bible and put them in context with today’s actions by the Western and by the Israeli Government and blame the respective books stating that this is what their religions tell them to do. One of them being waging a holy war (this is in the Torah and not in the Qur’an!) against Amalek who – according to writings and decrees by Rabbis and scholars of our time - are the Palestinians/Arabs.

But I believe that I have risen above Kindergarten niveau; such generalizations are hollow and an absolute injustice to the vast majority of normal Christian and Jewish believers who do not condone what’s happening today. The same applies for me when it comes to normal Muslims – also because I do have an idea or two how their societies are as I live since over a quarter of a century in mainly Muslim dominated countries … and lo and behold I’m still alive, have not been coerced/forced into a (fake) conversion nor do I pay Dhimmi tax or had to changed my style of clothing.

Again – who does it serve if a whole religion and societies are demonized, bedeviled and dehumanized? How could this possibly, in any thinkable way, help them (the Muslims and/or the Extremists among them) to further spread their religion?! Any logical take on that?

BTW – a set of alarms go on inside me when I learn that “fake” video footage was used to “show” life-footage from the attack in Bruxelles … fake only insofar as that it was a video from the attack in Moscow in January 2011! The video pertains to a terror attack at Moscow’s Domodedovo airport on 24 January 2011 (posted on youtube in November 2013). … and the date of 22/03/2016 was pasted on it.

Compare Bruxelles footage with the one on Youtube from Moscow. Why would any newspaper have such footage ready to be published within an hour?

See also two cases of fake videos as well as a summary of questions that deserve answers.

 

wendy kelly (222)
Friday March 25, 2016, 4:46 pm
Terrorists are not religious, - some of the people here, find an interpretation of the Qur'an , treat it as "Gospel" (sorry bad Pun,)- only then to use that same interpretation as proof for their argument.
they reel off statistics, (oh and statistics are so truthful - not) to influence people and to say,- look this is what is happening, don't listen to "wet lefty do gooders", here is the proof, from the Quar'an

Above is posted "10 reasons why Islam is not a religion of peace" it's full of how a person sees things , that and darned statistics.
I am not sticking up for terrorists, I wish the media would quit calling them isis or Islamic state, there is no such thing as an Islamic state.
what they are, - are murdering terrorists, and every true Muslim would agree, - don't forget Muslims themselves live in fear of the terrorists too,.
Brussels is right , to focus on the victims, also it is so tragic and ironic that the foul atrocities happened in a Country which is very tolerant and welcoming to all, - what do terrorists do when they see an easy target.? - we have seen what,- on the 22nd March in Brussels..
sorry this is long, but read or don't it's up to you :)-
Here is another view of the Qur'an , another interpretation, -

--- here are the top ten ways that Islamic law and tradition forbid terrorism (some of these points are reworked from previous postings):
1. Terrorism is above all murder. Murder is strictly forbidden in the Qur’an. Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”
2. If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in 622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it.
3. Islamic law forbids aggressive warfare. The Quran says, “But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61) The Quran chapter “The Cow,” 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”
4. In the Islamic law of war, not just any civil engineer can declare or launch a war. It is the prerogative of the duly constituted leader of the Muslim community that engages in the war. Nowadays that would be the president or prime minister of the state, as advised by the mufti or national jurisconsult.
5. The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)
6. Terrorism or hirabah is forbidden in Islamic law, which groups it with brigandage, highway robbery and extortion rackets– any illicit use of fear and coercion in public spaces for money or power. The principle of forbidding the spreading of terror in the land is based on the Qur’an (Surah al-Ma’ida 5:33–34). Prominent [pdf] Muslim legal scholar Sherman Jackson writes, “The Spanish Maliki jurist Ibn `Abd al-Barr (d. 464/ 1070)) defines the agent of hiraba as ‘Anyone who disturbs free passage in the streets and renders them unsafe to travel, striving to spread corruption in the land by taking money, killing people or violating what God has made it unlawful to violate is guilty of hirabah . . .”
7. Sneak attacks are forbidden. Muslim commanders must give the enemy fair warning that war is imminent. The Prophet Muhammad at one point gave 4 months notice.
8. The Prophet Muhammad counseled doing good to those who harm you and is said to have commanded, “Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)
9. The Qur’an demands of believers that they exercise justice toward people even where they have reason to be angry with them: “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8]
10. The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works, and commends Christians as the best friends of Muslims. I wrote elsewhere, “Dangerous falsehoods are being promulgated to the American public. The Quran does not preach violence against Christians.
Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”
In other words, the Quran promises Christians and Jews along with Muslims that if they have faith and works, they need have no fear in the afterlife. It is not saying that non-Muslims go to hell– quite the opposite.
When speaking of the 7th-century situation in the Muslim city-state of Medina, which was at war with pagan Mecca, the Quran notes that the polytheists and some Arabian Jewish tribes were opposed to Islam, but then goes on to say:
5:82. ” . . . and you will find the nearest in love to the believers [Muslims] those who say: ‘We are Christians.’ That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.”
So the Quran not only does not urge Muslims to commit violence against Christians, it calls them “nearest in love” to the Muslims! The reason given is their piety, their ability to produce holy persons dedicated to God, and their lack of overweening pride.
(For a modernist, liberal interpretation, see this pdf file, “Jihad and the Islamic Law of War.”
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday March 25, 2016, 4:58 pm

Stan – you may want to further check matters with Magda C. Haroun
JCC President in Bassateen. Do you truly believe that the Egyptian Government has spent over the past 14 years Millions of Dollars to renovate our synagogues just for the heck of spending money?! Not just the historic ones like the Maimonides or Ben Esra which are tourist attractions. Four are finished and the other 11 will follow. Right now such and similar projects have slowed down considerably simply because the economy is lousy. The slow-down applies to all projects btw.

As for your obsession with the Christian “persecution” – do you know that the Sawiris family (Coptic Christians) are the richest family in Egypt? Are you aware of how many prominent and influential Christian families there are in Egypt? Do you believe that they get overlooked by the oppressors and persecuters? Do you believe that the countless shops, which are owned by Christians and display most often the Pope, the regional Bishop and most definitely Holy Mary ... are overlooked? Or the many fundamental Copts who tattoo the cross on their wrist, visible for anyone ...

On the other hand - do you know that e.g. in Kafr Elseessi, Shabramont, Fayoum (all known strong holes of the Muslim Brothers) the normal (in other words: not rich and influential) members of the two religion live together in mixed residential buildings without killing each other and most often celebrate their holidays together? Sure not as your source frontpage.mag would never publish such average stuff. Neither would the Middle East Forum or the Horowitz Center (Ibrahim Raymond) nor any of the other known hate sites. Nor would they publish that they formed during the weeks long protest in 2011 protective rings around each other so the others could pray in peace and relative protection? Frontpage.mag et al. wouldn’t publish such stuff, would they?

Neither would they publish cases like the one a few years ago where an uncle (Coptic Christian) killed his niece with the help of her brother because she had the audacity to marry a Muslim WITH the consent of her direct family. They’re both in jail now but the young woman is nevertheless dead. Or the headline case 3 years ago where a 27 year old Coptic Egyptian raped a 5 yrs old Muslim girl. The man got a good beating from the men of that family and if the (Muslim and Christian) neighbours would not have intervened they would have surely beaten the rapist to death. The family of the girl was offered LE 600 (90 AUS$) to drop the case and were told “Ma’alesh” = never mind. The rapist escaped and lives today in a Monastery in Upper-Egypt which is untouchable. The surgery which the girl needed was paid by us. Later she’ll need reconstructive surgery. And so on. The international media never picks up such cases although they’re widely published in the English Egyptian media. Any take why not?!

“It should be noted that Islamic law specifically bans the construction or repair of churches.” says your frontpage.mag. This is a BLATANT lie! What an idiotic statement this is. This is why Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Oman … and Egypt to come back to the bone you pick on … have built and still build so many churches. Don’t take my word for it – just go on Google Earth and check for yourself. Our Cathedral in Bassateen is known for its beautiful décor. I live a 10 minute’s walk away from a big church which is under construction because it gets expanded. At the ringroad Haram to Mounib Bridge is a big and seemingly beautiful church coming up … mind you in bright daylight! All illegal???

And yes, there are definitely fundamental crazies – but on both side of the divide – which create headlines. And this applies specially to Minya which is a known hotbed for the radicals on BOTH sides. Often it starts with a land dispute which escalates into “sectarian violence” if both religions are involved. If those fighting are all Copts or all Muslims then it remains what it is: a dispute over land.

Our media has a rich archive on both of them. Why is it that always one side gets branded as the evil one – the Muslim side to be precise?

As Bishop Wafa’a Bouthros put it so clearly when asked if the Christian people of Egypt are oppressed and persecuted his answer was simple: “This is not true, ALL Egyptians are oppressed and persecuted”. This interview took place in the time of Mubarak’s regime and very little has changed since.

Another interesting question is: why did nobody in the international political and journalistic arena react when the Muslim Brothers after Morsi’s ourster in 2013 damaged and torched 82 (!!) churches in different places in Egypt? It came to the point that late Pope Shennouda bitterly complained on TV and personally addressed Pres. Obama for not condemning these acts. Only after that aired TV appeal did the US and after that the EU governments see it fit to be “concerned over the recent attacks on churches in Egypt”. But that was it.

A last question: why do you think the US Government up until today as I write this refuses to label the Muslim Brothers as terrorists? And why was Anne Patterson, then US Ambassador to Egypt, filmed on several occasions while having private meetings with the grey eminence of the MBs, Khairat al Shatr, AFTER the ouster of the MBs? And so on and so forth … you truly should every now and then do some fact checking yourself and not leave your homework to certain sources only.

Oh and before I forget, Stan: the Egyptian Constitution is very clear in its article which states that “all religions are protected under the constitution”. These includes Christians, Jews and any other religion.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 26, 2016, 4:53 am
To Eleonora: can't you see any difference between Islam and other religions?... Christianity precepts to pray for your enemies - not to kill them!... So nobodyharmed that imam I mentioned before, who instructed us. If any Christian would do the same in Muslim contry I doubt if he would survive. Look at Asia Bibi case. She is imprisoned since more than 5 years, just for nothing!!!. And despite whole Christain world interceded for her, Muslim authorities don't show any good will to free her. Asia is mother of 5 children, and she should be released at least because of that reason. But for Muslims even that doesn't matter, only because she is Christian. Her case shows what Islam is indeed, and how Islamic world acts.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday March 26, 2016, 5:17 am
Merlinka, the reason that the World's Religions appear to be different, is for the obvious reason, that that's how they are manifested through the different cultures and societies throughout the millennia. They ARE ALL broadly exactly the same, but to take an analogy, although you are me are both HUMAN, we have different personalities and backgrounds.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday March 26, 2016, 5:19 am
They ARE ALL broadly exactly the same, but to take an analogy, although you AND me are both HUMAN, we have DIFFERENT personalities and backgrounds.

. . . and to extent that analogy, everyone's EGOISM and VANITY wishes to SHAPE the world how IT sees it.
 

Pat Mair (93)
Saturday March 26, 2016, 6:42 am
Wow! What a discussion!

I didn`t want to join, but when only one person starts thinking, then I didn`t spend time in vain.

About one comment I laughed a lot. Someone said he grew up with moslims ... in England!
Must be an "expert".
So very funny!

OK, I `ve grown up in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. I know Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi as well. There were ONLY Moslims!
My mom was so afraid that I could get kidnapped and sold, she cut my blond hair short, everyone had to call me Pat like a boy and my bodyguard was a large dog.

I can tell stories, they would fill a book. A few of them are too cruel to believe for a West European. Moslims are used to slit throats, every animal has to die a painful and cruel death because of no-stun slaughter.
Please support this petition:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/157478659/3959393 …

So I just write facts everyone can find in the internet:

Turkey President Erdogan said:
"There is no moderate Islam - Islam is Islam!"
(He wants journalists included in the definition of terrorists, he makes no secret of his plans, cites "Hitler's Germany" as an example of effective government for a "New Ottoman Empire".)

The path of Islam is always the same:
-establish a Mosque
-create an enclave
-grow the population
-resist the national authorities
-institute a Sharia constitution
-secede
-form their own Moslim country

Pakistan was Hindu
Afghanistan used to be Bhuddist
Lebanon was Christian
now they are all Moslim! Bye - bye freedom! Bye - bye equality between men & women! etc. etc....

A Belgian teacher wrote on Twitter:
"How can one teach when Moslim children applaud on Brussels?"

I know that "refugees" threw a party in a German refugee camp on Nov. 13 while people in Paris were still shot.

Why is it possible for known terrorists to hide in areas like Molenbeek? I tell you why: NONE of the Moslim neighbors call the police!

Everyone with children should think about!
Just open your eyes and think....and don`t believe everything you read/hear on MSM.

Wish you all a peaceful and happy Easter weekend!




 

Monika A (96)
Saturday March 26, 2016, 6:46 am
Number of cruel or violent passages : Bible 842, Quran 333 .
Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran? Is there a way to objectively answer such a question??? I don't think so.
The funny thing is, is that there are plenty of fanatics who think that their's is good and the other's is bad...
Its oddly enough to think that more than half of the world's population believes in one or the other. They are polarized against each other. One is believed to be good and the other is seen as bad.
I think that flirt with fanaticism is always dangerous , as same as stereotyping of human system of beliefs .

Simply because we can find many moral and honest people between Muslims and Christians, and we can find the rapscallions between them, too.
Please understand that I'm not attacking any supporters of any religion, I do like to tell , that the way to a dialogue leads us not astray, only if we respect the others and their beliefs, too.

Once again, I will not to tell , that if somebody is trying to shot us, we should give them big, great hug !
No !!! we have to and we should stand against in defence of our country, our people.

But still, we can not stoning to death with our words, because somebody's religion is not the same as ours.
If we are talking about religions , we can't speak this way that the people will outraged by the way they were treated, because it is way to nowhere.

Once again and once again - my personally opinion is that all of terrorist ( no matter who they really are ) should be exterminated, and our borders should be well protected and we should be very, very stingy who we allow to come in and who we should send back.

 

Winn A (179)
Saturday March 26, 2016, 7:30 am
It's been a few days now since this happened. These men are cowards. My thoughts and prayers are with all affected and their families. So sad . . . .
 

wendy kelly (222)
Saturday March 26, 2016, 1:43 pm
Seems everything is being thrown "in the pot" to prove something or other, -
So " for what it's worth "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday March 26, 2016, 3:45 pm
Sorry for me saying this so clear – I don’t mean to hurt your spiritual religious feelings, Merlinka, but there’s NO basic difference between the 3 monotheistic religions. The core of their teachings are the very same. IF people would understand, adhere to and leave according to the teachings of their scriptures our world would be a much better and more peaceful place. More important – it would be almost impossible to pit the people against each other. But trusting that very seldom people have gone to the extent to read all three “holy books” … our good politicians and other interest groups have easy game to play havoc with our minds. And most of us follow them like the good sheeps that we are.

For the sake of this argument let’s assume that all three books were really sent to mankind by HaShem/God/Allah through whatever means (although there’s no proof whatsoever to support this case). What is so difficult to understand about e.g. “Thou shalt not kill”?? This is a basic command in ALL three of them. Or that one shouldn’t steal, lie, cheat, etc. Very basic commands in all three of them but … daily ignored. What we call the “Golden Rules” can be found detailed in all three books – what is so difficult to understand about them? [We can find the very same principles in other beliefs too but we’re discussing here just the 3 monotheistic ones]

Having said that – I do have a big bone to pick with the institutionalization of all three religions. The politicians and other “nice people” who follow their own, ulterior agenda have a very long time ago realized and internalized the fact that people are very easy to manipulate if one uses religion as a fig leave. Don’t we all rush without further thinking to defend what we believe in? We’ve seen this time and again if you look at history; there’s no need for me to list here all the “religious” wars which were/are fought in the name of religion – but ultimately all what these “warriors” want are the land and resources.

You say that “Christianity precepts to pray for your enemies…” - are you truly convinced that e.g. the US prayed for those Hundreds of Thousands of armless Iraqi soldiers who were on the retreat homewards on the “Highway of Death” as it is known today before they bombarded them to smithereens, full well knowing that they were unarmed? Do you believe that Madleine Albright prayed for those ½ Million Iraqi children under the age of 5 who had to die because – as she said – “the prize was worth it”? Do you believe they prayed before they bombarded the heck out of Afghanistan? Or any other country they feel they have to initiate a regime change; if not by “revolutions” than by brutal force? Do you believe that the so-called “allied (Christian) forces” pray every time before they send their drones out to kill hundreds of innocent civilians because they hope to get a SUSPECTED terrorist or militant?

But even – how much does it help “the enemies” if the Christians pray first … and then kill them anyway? The result – with and without the Christian prayers – are the same: the people are dead. They kill those whose land and resources they want. Period.

My apologies for me asking … but do you truly see a difference?!

Regarding blasphemy: unfortunately the label “blasphemy” is often used when there is nothing else one can stick on an adversary. (Yemen sticks out with a very bad reputation in that respect.)

You should read this interesting article in Wikipedia about Blasphemy Laws - you’d be surprised that practically all countries have laws against blasphemy (a few under a different label) and in some of the Muslim countries it is punishable by death. Most countries incl. Muslim countries know jail or fines as punishment. Having said that - on top of these blasphemy laws which can be and are applied most European countries have meantime specific laws against anti-Semitism and Israel is trying to push the whole world to criminalize anything said against the State of Israel and/or Jews.

These facts don’t seem to bother you the least but that Muslim countries are applying their laws disturbs you to the point that “all Muslims are therefore bad”?! You don’t see anything bad in applying one set of rules/laws on Christians and Jews and another one on Muslims. I don’t know what you’d call this but in my books this is called bigotry … hypocrisy … double-standard.

In other words; Aasiya Noreen, Pakistani, serves for you as an example to paint almost 2 Bio Muslims the same colour? “The Nation, conducted a poll of its readers that showed 68% of Pakistanis believe the blasphemy law should be repealed”. These 68% are in their absolute majority … Muslims! It would serve the argument you’re trying to lead well if you would distinguish between what the government/law wants or demands and what the (Muslim) people of Pakistan want.

But I do remember her case all too well (btw she’s a mother of 2 children not 5); especially also because two innocent people had to die trying to help her defending her case. As the Pakistani media at the time as well as her lawyer stated those people involved had a personal matter to settle with Aasiya and it seems they blew a remark by her totally out of proportion to fabricate “blasphemy”. All people involved being illiterate (acc. to records) I have big question marks regarding the whole case.

Yet I find it strange that you never ask yourself the logical question: IF a life would truly matter in the political game wouldn’t you think that the Pakistani government would immediately pardon Aasiya IF the US would “hint” that they will withhold all or part of the annual 8 Billion Dollars the Pakistani Government gets in aid because they are such willing assistants in the political game of the US in that region? I do firmly believe that Aasiya would be free the next day.

Trouble is, lives don’t matter unless they serve a specific political purpose – some serve that purpose by being kept incarcerated … some by being freed …
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday March 26, 2016, 3:49 pm

Merlinka - Under the section Poland you can read the following:

"While Poland's penal code makes no reference to any sort of blasphemy law, it states that "Whoever offends religious feelings of other people by publicly insulting an object of religious cult or a place for public holding of religious ceremonies, is subject to a fine, restriction of liberty or loss of liberty for up to 2 years". The article has been used by pro-Church politicians and activists on numerous occasions ..., whenever they felt their religious feelings had been offended in some way. Opponents of the article maintain that it seriously limits the freedom of speech and effectively prevents any kind of debate on the Church's widespread influence on social, sexual and political life of Poland."

????

Where exactly is the difference?!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday March 26, 2016, 4:06 pm

Wendy - good to read you again ;-)! Thanks a lot for your informative posting of Friday March 25, 2016, 4:46 pm. You've done a lot of work which is much appreciated at least from me.

There's just one mistake in your posting: you dare to show that the propaganda and the reality don't tally - LOL!

Thank you also for the link to Buffalo Springfield - I sincerely hope that people are listening and clicking on the icon "show more" to read the lyrics. Maybe they even feel like thinking about them?

Nota Bene: I'd love to send some green stars to you, Darren and Monika but Care2 website is not cooperating. Every now and then I have the icon "Star" and I use it but most often I don't have it on the page. Since weeks I'm trying to work with these totally scrambled and messed-up Care2 web pages.

I also have received some Private Messages which I can read but can't reply to due to lack of the icon "reply" and "submit"; it also doesn't give me a name to reply to.

So ... my apologies; it's not that I'm ignoring those messages. I've read them and am thankful for them and if Care2 has hopefully soon sorted out their problems I shall reply.

Meantime - thanks for your patience and here are some stars:

***********************************************
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday March 26, 2016, 4:11 pm

Correction: in my posting above of Saturday March 26, 2016, 3:45 pm it should naturally read:

"... and live according to the teachings ..."
 

Stan B (123)
Saturday March 26, 2016, 7:24 pm
Eleonora. I'm not sure what the Egyptian version of Hasbara is but you would be an expert.
Assuming we accept your figure of 97 Jews still living in Egypt, which is not accurate, perhaps you could tell us what happened to the remaining 799903 who are no longer living in your regiously tolerant country.

Pat Mair. Many thanks for your insightful information of what really happens in Muslim countries.
 

fly bird (26)
Saturday March 26, 2016, 8:06 pm
I agree with Monika, "I think , stereotyping is not good way to see the problem"...

"Religion is not really the problem, but what some people might make of it, or how it might be used - for various purposes, by so many different entities.

Each person decides who they are, how to try and show the kind of person they are, and to whom...
People, regardless of culture and race, all over the world, recognize, when someone is kind, considerate, fair, a good neighbor...
Ostracizing and demonizing others, over time, is the problem, as I see it. Discrimination and exploitation, over time, for greed and gain, promoting prejudice and distrust seems to be the constant root of so much evil.

"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
"And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."

Jn 13:34.
Mk 12:29-31; Deut 6:4-5; Lev 19:18; Mt 22:34-40; Lk 10:25-28.
Rom 13:8-10.






 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday March 27, 2016, 1:23 am

Nay, Stan - you don't seem to be in top form today! The point which you brought up was the persecution of the Christians in Egypt and that they have basically no rights in Egypt or in any other Muslim country for that matter. I do integrate the other great and insightful comments here who believe to be experts on the matter simply because they read those known (hate and incitement) websites which feed them all kind of crap and nonsense.

[This notwithstanding I do take personally experienced cases at face value – we all know negative cases we witnessed ourselves or lived through including myself. But fact is that such cases can be witnessed AND documented as occurring in every (religious) society. THIS is the point. Only when it happens to come from the Muslim side, then it is = ALL Muslims. If Jews attack Christians or Muslims … then they’re ‘exceptional’ cases although widespread in Israel. If Christians attack Jews or Muslims… likewise. In other words: pure hypocrisy.]

Did you do a quick fact check and the results were not to your liking - LOL? Where you overwhelmed to see how many churches there are in those Arab (formerly 100% Muslim) countries, built with mainly (Muslim) government money? Did you find out that the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists et al. live there without being slaughtered or forcefully converted nor that they have to pay Dhimmi tax? BTW ... have you ever visited the Hotel Europa at the Pyramids Street? That's where the Jewish tourists mainly stay when they visit Cairo because that hotel caters fully to their special religious needs ... they stay there and move around without being slaughtered although they're wearing their orthodox clothes and yarmulka; imagine!

Incidentally - why don't you ... "upright fighter(s) for justice" ... once address the issue that the State of Israel has never since its existence issued a permit to build a new church inside Israel proper ... or in the occupied territories for that matter as this falls under Israeli Admin too but especially any construction permit?! No problem with that ...?! I thought your heart is bleeding for the disenfranchised Christians everywhere?!

Give me one good reason why I should follow your diversion tactics (straight from the Hasbara manual) and talk about a subject which has been chewed on umpteen times? Did you check with the JCC President? Sure not! Didn't expect you to do so. But spouting more nonsense ... aren't you embarrassed to show yourself so clearly for what you are in going down to such a level?

Well it's not really my business nor do I care much. I'm simply thankful to you for presenting yourself (and your likes) time and again for everyone to see and recognize the fabric you guys are made of.

Would send you even a Green Star in recognition of your outstanding contribution to “typical Hasbara spin” but unfortunately the Care2 website is so messed up that I have mostly “x” instead of icons.

So here you get a few: ***
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday March 27, 2016, 1:40 am

Monika - I think that any sane and sincere person can only agree with your last posting of Saturday March 26, 2016, 6:46 am. The problem is that what you, I and so many others - also decried (and despised) here on Care2 as the "voices of reason and balance" ... - doesn't fit into the political propaganda which the trolls help pushing here - LOL!

I have said this on so many occasions that those criminals who fly under the flag of ANY religion have to be dealt with sternly and firmly according to the laws of the countries where the crime was committed. Simple.

The same goes for those fundamentalists who try to carve out a niche for themselves arguing with their religion. I like how my country (Switzerland) is handling such cases; like e.g. those who wanted special treatment for their girls in the obligatory swimming classes. "You live here - you respect our rules and laws." Easy - all it takes is some back bone and setting a few examples. Ever since nobody tries to challenge those rules anymore.

This specially applies when it comes to radicals. Why do European countries foster so many radicals?

Why did they refuse for decades to extradite them to their home countries where they would have faced criminal charges (e.g Sheikh Hamza - Egyptian)?

Why does the US Admin refuse to label the Muslim Brothers a terrorist group?

Why is London the HQ of them?

Why does PM Cameron say that they are a "minority worthy of our (the West's) protection" - while the very same group of criminals attack and kill Egyptian (Muslim and Christians) by the dozen a week?

But then we read stuff like above by Stan and his cohorts ...

As I have said so many times: no terror against innocent civilians anywhere of any creed can ever, ever be justified. None! Someone who goes and kills at random people is simply a criminal and must be dealt with accordingly. There is no need to criminalize and stigmatize an entire religion. We don't do this with the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists ... either.

Have a safe day and thank you for the sincere exchange! Green Stars to you: *************************************************
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday March 27, 2016, 3:22 am
BTW, check out this story and link to a 2 hour discussion involving Noam Chomsky, Greenwald and Ed Snowden, in which Brussels IS mentioned. The authorities KNEW about the perpetrators before the attack, so it could have been prevented.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/864072146/3968077

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/26/chomsky-snowden-greenwald-privacy-age-surveillance

So much for the belligerence of Stan and his friends
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 27, 2016, 4:17 am
It seems Eleonora knows the best about all !!! She knows better than me what's going on in Polnad because she red something somewhere. She flooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooded this forum by words, giving some data given by media. There's no sense to discuss that way any more.
PAX VOBISCUM !!!!
 

Apolonia Pl (393)
Sunday March 27, 2016, 5:18 am
Yes, when words are aginst facts such discussion doesn't make sense.
Don't make there next Tower of Babel.
Let's celebrate anything, but in PEACE...
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday March 27, 2016, 12:21 pm

Merlinka - it is a common trait among those who have been proven wrong that they lash out at the messenger rather than arguing factually; you're no exception to the norm!

It has nothing to do with "knowing it better" if one knows the subject one is talking about. One calls it intellectual honesty. I was courteous in giving you a publicly accessible link to the blasphemy laws - if you don't like the laws of your country ... that is frankly NOT my problem NOR my fault! You could also simply check the penal codes of your country. It would help you not to put your foot in your mouth - LOL. You could many things ... but you rather try to divert with a rather immature statement; unfortunately it doesn't make the facts go away.

Fact is - going by your own statements in previous comments: you have no problems applying one set of rules and laws for Christians and Jews and another one for Muslims (and probably for followers of other beliefs) = hypocrite and a bigot. This is not my problem either - you have to live with yourself.

I'm merely pointing out facts. What I'm saying above can be easily checked by you through independent sources. Simple, eh? And very uncomfortable for you, eh? Sorry for that ... As the saying goes: if you can't stand the heat ... get out of the kitchen.

Fascinating though how much all of you "Muslim lovers" have in common although you seemingly seem to live miles and continents apart - LOL!! You all have a total aversion against facts. Something to stop and think about ...

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday March 27, 2016, 12:46 pm

Where is

#Je suis Pakistan??

At least 60 got killed today and ~300 wounded in another senseless bomb attack on innocent people. A splinter group of Taliban claims responsibility for yet another horrifying terrorist attack - to achieve what? When will such carnage be stopped? My thoughts are with the victims and their families.
 

Apolonia Pl (393)
Sunday March 27, 2016, 12:47 pm
Eleonora, can't you shut up even at holiday time?!!... You showed us enough, and nothing positiove I'm afraid. You still pour only dirty water to this forum. Nothing really worthy to read, because you still use tub-thumping. So learn honesty and fair play at last. And don't tell us lies about OUR laws in OUR country, because you have no idea about it. You demonstrated only Himalayan stupidity. OVER.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday March 27, 2016, 12:59 pm

Hhmmm ... Merlinka ... on a second thought ... "She knows better than me what's going on in Polnad because she red something somewhere" ... but it's perfectly fine for you (and others) to be the experts that you claim to be on the thinking and behavior of almost 2 Billion people because you've read something somewhere ... LOL!!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday March 27, 2016, 1:14 pm


Apolonia - do you believe that senseless ad hominem attacks are going to help you further your argument?! I know truth can hurt but nobody forces you to read anything - so just skip over it.

As for the laws of your country - why don't you address the inaccuracies in the article I referenced (if there are any) to those who wrote it instead of attacking me? But alas! such is not in your making.

Sorry but I have no say in the legislative branch of your country - maybe you should address your government to change its blasphemy laws rather than ranting against me?

Just a thought ...
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday March 27, 2016, 1:32 pm

Darren - thanks a lot for this valuable link. Wish I could send you Stars: ****************

I loved this statement the most:

""You cannot shine the light in dark places enough," said Greenwald. "We cannot start enough debates on the abuse of power, the value of privacy. No matter how powerless you think you are in the face of injustice, all individuals have the power to stand up to the most powerful institutions.""

Stay safe!
 

fly bird (26)
Sunday March 27, 2016, 5:37 pm
#Je suis Pakistan

Thanks, Eleonora. Helpful comments, I appreciate. *****************************
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday March 27, 2016, 10:54 pm

Thanks Jess - GS to you: ************ I've just been listening to a detailed statement by the Pakistani Minister of Ports and Shipping, Kamran Michael, and it is such a horrifying, brutal and senseless attack. Incidentally ... this Minister also happens to be Christian as the name indicates (for those who want to deny it) ...
 

Evelyn B (62)
Monday March 28, 2016, 1:53 am
Je suis Pakistan (Lahore)
Je suis Iskanderiyeh (Iraq)

If people would take off the blinkers that have them focussing ONLY on these terrible, insane acts of terrorism when they impact on Christians, Jews, Western countries ..... they would have to recognise than Muslims are as often - if not more often - the target of these Da'esh extremists ....

Which makes a nonsense of the cesspit that those who are Islamophobic are working to produce.
I can't give enough stars to those who have tried here to counter the hate propaganda ..... People who jump on tragedies where families are suffering - be it from having lost family members, or from having injured members, or from the shock & trauma of having survived without physical injury (Sandra, I hope you & your husband are over the worst of the shock - and I admire your refusal to allow your experiences to push you into "hate drive".)

The history of terrorism parallels the history of political confrontation. Currently, the main "conflict zones" are in the Middle East (who invaded Iraq, on false pretences?? Triggering far greater instability in a region already destabilised by large refugee populations that countries such as Syria & Lebanon couldn't fully absorb? And who triggered those earlier waves of refugees?) and the area of Afghanistan (who promoted what became known as "Al Qaeda", and supported early formation of Taliban groups to counter USSR expansion? And their creations got out of control, became monsters ....)

But not very long ago, the terror acts were by "Christians" ..... in Central Europe, for example, & before that, in the British Isles ... or down in the Basque areas of Spain & France.

Terrorism may use religious disguise (Catholic, Orthodox, Judaism, Islam), and may be driven by some who claim to be religious leaders - but when they move into extremism they betray all aspects of their religion that emphasise peace & tolerance. And the real drivers are political & economic rather than truly religious. As several people have tried to point out in this thread.

Real terrorism is almost a religion in itself - promotion of terror in order to swing balance of power (or maintain power, when the authorities use this strategy to strengthen their power.

And people follow out of fear (which feeds hate), out of hate, or because the terrorist action satisfies their sociopathic or psychopathic enjoyment of violent crime, "authorising" it.

Je suis - all victims of political violence - terrorist or state driven.
 

Evelyn B (62)
Monday March 28, 2016, 2:08 am
By the way, Pat - I'm surprised that you are unaware that there's quite a large Christian population in Rawalpindi! In Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi (even some in Quetta & Peshawar) as well

I've worked with some of them.

Until the Taliban crisis, they used to go to Muslim neighbours' religious feasts, & their Muslim neighbours used to go to church for Christmas & Easter celebrations. I remember the sadness in the voice of one of my colleagues when he told me that their priest in 'Pindi had requested Muslims not to come to the Christmas mass in 2009 - for security reasons.

Blond people get stared at, because it is rare ... although less so among the Pakhtuns, where fair hair & blue, grey or green eyes are not so uncommon - they say these are descended from Alexander's soldiers. (In Nooristan, Afghanistan, many are light haired & light eyed .....) So I can understand your mother choosing to minimise the way you would be stared at ..... and touched, to see if it felt the same as dark hair .. White people often encounter this if they go to areas where everyone is dark haired, dark skinned - kids in particular are fascinated by "strange" looks!
 

Stan B (123)
Monday March 28, 2016, 2:41 am
Eleonora. You remind of another of your countrymen, whose name was very similar to one of the terrorists arrested in Brussels. He was also incapable of answering simple questions and would go round and round the pyramids to avoid having to admit the truth.
I asked you a very simple question which you refused to answer so I'm going to ask it again.
What happened to the 79903 Jews who used to live in your tolerant country?

Merlinka and Apalonia. When it comes to sarcasm and spin, Eleonora is without equal on Care 2. It's good to see you don't take her seriously. Green stars to you both.

Evelyn. I'm sure Pat, you will be relieved to hear that these people were just curious about your blond hair. The locals were just " curious "........my foot. I think they must also have been curious about Lara Logan in Cairo because the locals were very eager to check her out too.
Anyhow Pat. There are now 70 less Christians in Lahore thanks to our militant Islamic friends who blew them up, mostly children, at a football match.
I've had more than enough of all the " je suis." These vermin need to be removed from the face of the earth.
 

Stan B (123)
Monday March 28, 2016, 3:07 am
P.S. Just for the record.
" According to a 2013 United Nations study, says FP's Elias Groll, “virtually all Egyptian women have been victims of sexual harassment." A whopping 99.3 percent of the women studied report having been sexually harassed."

Yes it sure sounds like a great place to live. They must all be blonds!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

wendy kelly (222)
Monday March 28, 2016, 11:29 am
JeSuisPakistan , I have no words only sorrow for yesterdays horrific bombing I don't know how much of the article will show, the photos wont, -
video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXxcMw5PTDg



Lahore blast leaves behind playground buried with hopes and dreams


Lahore blast leaves behind playground buried with hopes and dreams
LAHORE: There was only one ticket. Sahil, 7, and his sister were fighting over who would go first on the ride, when an explosion broke them apart.
“I was so scared. I looked for Bhaiya, but I only found his body,” said Angel at his funeral on Monday.
Of the 72 killed in the blast which rocked Lahore’s Gulshan-e-Iqbal Park on Sunday, 29 were children, all there to celebrate the weekend, which was also Easter Holiday for the large Christian minority in the city.
Sahil's mother, a widow, said she did not want her children to go to park.
“But they were excited. And I let them go with their Phuppo.”

She called to check on them at 6:00 PM in the evening. “They said they were coming home. But my son’s body greeted me.”
“God, show these terrorists the right path. No mother should ever have to go through my ordeal,” she wailed.
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For seven-year-old Sameena, a holiday trip to Lahore became the last trip she ever took. She lost a long battle with death at Jinnah Hospital this morning.
The family of five from Sanghar took a trip to Lahore to visit their friend Amjad.
In the blast, Sameena lost her father, maternal uncle and brother. Her mother has been missing since the incident. Their host Amjad, his wife Zubeida, and their daughter lost their lives in the attack.

If death brings with it finality, families of victims who went missing in the blast are still waiting for news.
Saqawat Nizamani from and his 16-year-old son Fazeel Nizamani are injured from the blast. But his two sons -- 8 year old Rohail and 12 year old Ali Abbas are still missing. The family was visiting Lahore on a holiday.
The attack on Sunday evening in the busy Gulshan-i-Iqbal park killed mostly women and children enjoying an Easter weekend outing. Pakistan, a majority-Muslim country, has a Christian population of more than 2 million.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday March 28, 2016, 3:48 pm

Thankfully read another one of your very-much-to-the-point comments, Evelyn. There's nothing to add except that your thoughts again don't fit with the hate agenda ... ;-). But this little detail should and will not stop us from speaking out!

Wendy, thank you too for the article you posted. There was a private condolence today at the house of a (Muslim) Pakistani friend which I unfortunately couldn't attend as we have a dear friend in ICU. The book with all the signatures and expressions of sorrow will be given to the Pakistani Ambassador.

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday March 28, 2016, 4:16 pm

Stan – do you know the saying: stop digging if you find yourself in a hole?

Come clear on the facts which I presented in my comments of Friday March 25, 2016, 2:07 am and Sunday March 27, 2016, 1:23 am which exposed your lies; this would be labeled as intellectual honesty (you may want to look up this word). After that you may come forward with other questions (not relating to the subject) which I may decide – or not - to answer. Until then …

But I will certainly not go down a path dictated by you of rehashing what has been discussed umpteen times already WITH you as a participant in those threads. Nope.
 

Stan B (123)
Tuesday March 29, 2016, 1:12 am
Eleonora. For the second time you avoided answering a simple question because it would expose your country for the intolerant dump it is.

You need to do a refresher course in Egyptian hasbara. Your credibility is in tatters.

Learn by your mistakes. It's impossible to defend the indefensible.
 

Monika A (96)
Tuesday March 29, 2016, 1:13 am
I haven't read or watched the news . Pakistan and the world must unite. Every life is precious and must be respected, we all have families and loved one's, we all deserve to live and full fill our lives .This world is just crazy,people hate each other for no reason. :(
[*] Light for the victims :(
Oh Gods :-( don't let it depress me or think the world is going to hell. I live my life every day watching people help people in society as we all get along and live together. We're not collapsing. "But there are more good will men and I strongly do believe that this World will never die because of them."
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday March 29, 2016, 2:56 am
Stand and his cohorts obviously come from the generalization where slash, slam and bomb is the only language they know.
 

Monika A (96)
Tuesday March 29, 2016, 4:26 am
One thing could bring us peace, it will only happen when we start with ourselfs .
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday March 29, 2016, 4:47 pm

Stan - you can bark and twist all you want ... be my guest. You first come clean as I said in my posting of Monday March 28, 2016, 4:16 pm and then you may put forward more derailing questions. Until then ... wuff, wuff as much as you can. And watch the hole your digging for yourself ... you're exposed enough already - LOL!!

Anyone reading this thread can assess with ease whose credibility is in tatters ... and it sure isn't mine ;-).
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday March 30, 2016, 12:33 am
Some just keep on digging, spilling dirt, on high horses, exposing their own hypocrisy.

Meanwhile, hole and dirt mound get bigger and bigger, like the lies that start them....
There's no credibility, I agree. The hate mongering and deflections are obvious: this tragic attack is used to spread malice and fear.

@Stan:
Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. Matthew 6:34









 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 31, 2016, 2:21 am
I'm still not here :)
And I have no idea what are talking about :)
 

Melanie Simon (0)
Thursday March 31, 2016, 5:12 pm

Awful, awful, tragic, sad, cruel, unacceptable happenings. It makes us scared and angry and we want to do something to stop it. We can direct ourselves to prevent such appalling attacks by living a lifestyle that doesn’t breed such malcontent.

Surely the only real way we can counter this is to live lives of compassion and caring, to love and share and educate, to grow food and spread Permaculture to provide for and inspire people to have lives that are not despairing, that the simple things in the world like birds and sky and weather are wondrous and we can all experience them; to know that technology is only a tool not a priority. To legitimise subsistence and grassroots lifestyles as an okay way to live without having to industrialise everything or be in miserable poverty in cities chasing after the myth of making 'better' lives for one's family through excess consumerism. To understand that we can live sustainably if we stop creating so much waste and that 'waste' isn't just about physical resources but also what's inside our heads; we waste so much effort on ill-feelings, hatred, revenge, greed, dissatisfaction even but we actually can direct how and what we think depending on our focus, we can choose to value and enjoy the treasures that so many take for granted (in our relationships, in our surrounds, in our possibilities), if we regularly count our blessings and feel gratitude for what we DO have instead of always focusing on what we don't, our priorities change and life is a friendlier place for us and those around us.

When people are dissatisfied or lost, poor, hungry, oppressed, isolated or disadvantaged in any way, they are much easier prey for cults and this Cult of Terrorism exploits peoples dissatisfaction in every way they can to recruit and they undertake social media bombardment as brainwashing tools. To fight this we need to be strong, resilient, and vigilant and maintain our integrity and values as a society. Don’t let them break you.

People who have their needs fulfilled and have meaningful lives and community and are taught reason and common sense are less likely to be extremist in any direction; let's create communities and societies and governments, whilst maintaining diversity, that live and reflect and share these values.

Regenerative solutions may take time but they are the only sustainable way to deal with these awful attacks on humanity itself and move forward into a future we really want; it is a process and growing resilience into our system as an ongoing feature is vital to our survival on all levels. Spread Permaculture, it gives people ways and reasons to live and provide for themselves, their families and communities. It designs ways to utilise, attract, grow, use and recycle resources, not just physical but also people, ideas and creativity in the most efficient and integrated way and thus provides for the needs of everything within the system – people, land, plants animals etc. It is flexible and adaptable to any place, situation or scale.

Be strong, believe in peace, love life, share your good fortune, regenerate and grow –organically for the health of all- examine what truly are the core values of a healthy society and embody them. Then we can all help fix the cracks that let the haters take hold and diminish their influence.

 

federico bortoletto (47)
Friday April 1, 2016, 10:33 am
Orribile
 

Jens Hansen (157)
Thursday April 7, 2016, 7:14 am
I heard about the case in the spanish news. I was shocked. I wanted to fly home via Brussels first.
 
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