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10 Terrible Things Republicans Will Try to Do If They Take Over in November


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Kit
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Think things are bad now? Take a look at what could happen if Republicans retake Congress in November.



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Kit B. (277)
Tuesday September 21, 2010, 9:32 am
Democrats are in trouble come November. If current polling is any indication, Republicans have a good chance of reclaiming a majority in the House of Representatives and perhaps even the Senate (though the Senate is a less likely prospect). That's not because people are wildly excited about Republicans. In fact, a recent poll shows that registered voters rate the GOP's performance as worse than the Democrats'. But the enthusiasm gap between the parties gives the GOP an advantage; a nine-point advantage among likely voters, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Perhaps Americans should know what's really at stake if this batch of Republicans takes over Congress in November. Here are 10 terrible things the GOP might do:

1) Shut down government to stop health care bill. "All the Republican Congress needs to say in January is, 'We won't fund it," said former Speaker of the House and likely 2012 presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich, speaking about the GOP leadership’s intent to shut down the government to stop health care reform from being enacted. He should know. He did it before, back in 1995 when the Republicans reclaimed Congress during the Clinton administration. The GOP's government shutdown was disastrous for millions of Americans.

Since Republicans can't directly repeal the bill -- President Obama would veto such an action -- they may cut funding in order to hold up its implementation, forcing a stand-off with Democrats that could lead to government shutdown. Gingrich isn't the only one sounding this threat. Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., said, "The endgame is a fight over funding." Rep. Mike Pence called rolling back health reform a "mainstream GOP position."

Meanwhile, in an interview with TPM, Donna Shalala, Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services during the Clinton administration, discussed the consequences of government shutdown. Services would be stopped: "Social Security checks, Medicare reimbursements...welfare checks to the state, Medicaid checks to the state." Federal employees would be furloughed. It would "stop all new enrollees into the [Social Security] system," Shalala said. She continued, "It bounces through: it's grocery stores, it's farms [...] It bounces through when people don't have money at that scale." Shalala also pointed out that the economy is in far worse shape today than it was during the Clinton years, so the impact of government shutdown would likely be worse than in the 1990s.

2) Attempt to privatize Social Security. Back in 2005, former President George W. Bush tried to privatize Social Security by creating independent spending accounts, similar to 401Ks. He failed. But unlike Republicans today, Bush did not have the advantage of Tea-Party backed ultraconservative Republicans, some of whom honestly believe the only role of the federal government is to fight wars and protect our borders. Among the GOP’s up and comers is Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, the ranking Republican member of the House Budget Committee. He wants to create personal spending retirement accounts invested in the stock market, which sounds a lot like the current 401K system: You know, the one that lost nearly 40 percent of its value during the financial crisis.

Social Security privatization, once considered politically untenable even by many ultraconservative think-tanks, has resurfaced just in time for the 2010 primary. It’s being debated in Arizona, Kentucky, Indiana, Nevada, North Dakota, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Republicans like Sharron Angle in Nevada, Ken Buck in Colorado, Rand Paul, the Republican nominee in Kentucky, and Dan Coates, the Republican nominee in Indiana, all support “private retirement accounts” -- code for privatizing Social Security.

3) Spend every waking hour investigating the Obama administration. You thought Ken Starr was awful? Meet Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. She thinks that if Republicans retake Congress, they should issue subpoena after subpoena and launch investigation after investigation of the Obama administration.

"Oh, I think that's all we should do," she told CBS News. "I think that all we should do is issue subpoenas and have one hearing after another.”

"All of our chips are on November," she added.

And it’s not just Bachmann. GOP House members have already pushed Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine to say he will investigate the wholly made-up New Black Panther Party scandal. Politico reports that conversations with top GOP aides reveal, "Republicans are planning a wave of committee investigations targeting the White House and Democratic allies if they win back the majority. Everything from the microscopic — the New Black Panther party — to the massive –- think bailouts — is on the GOP to-do list."

4) Repeal the 14th amendment -- divest immigrants' children of citizenship. In the growing nativist fervor within the Republican party, there's been a push to repeal the 14th amendment, which provides citizenship to all people born in the U.S. Republicans, trying desperately to woo the anti-immigrant crowd, are promoting this incredibly xenophobic idea. Here’s what minority leader John Boehner said about repealing birthright citizenship: "Listen, I think it's worth considering. But it's a serious problem that affects our country. And in certain parts of our country, clearly, our schools, our hospitals, are being overrun by illegal immigrants, a lot of whom came here just so their children could become U.S. citizens."

Of all the ridiculous and dangerous policy initiatives, this is the most heartless. It's driven by racist ideologies and was essentially penned by a hate group, Federation for American Immigration Reform. Boehner is not the only one pandering to the “No more anchor baby” nativist contingent. U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-TX, actually claimed that immigrant infants would one day form terrorist cells. "It appeared that [the terrorists] would have young women, who became pregnant, would get them into the United States to have a baby," Gohmert said during a speech on the House floor. "And then they would turn back where they could be raised and coddled as future terrorists."

There are two ways they may try revoking birthright citizenship to immigrants born in this country. Some Republicans propose creating a constitutional amendment asserting that one or both parents must be U.S. citizens, and the other is to pass federal or state legislation that could provoke a court battle over the amendment's citizenship clause. Republicans Russell Pearce, of Arizona, U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and U.S. Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz. are all pushing for hearings to explore the citizenship clause, which was enacted originally to provide an objective criteria for citizenship. Republicans want to remove that objective measurement and make citizenship subject to their own ideas about who deserves to be an American citizen.

5) Cap and trade? Forget about it. Not only are conservative activists aggressively campaigning against Democrats who support cap and trade -- legislation that mandates emissions reductions -- but they are also trying to unseat moderate Republicans who support cap and trade and replace them with ultraconservative, often Tea Party-backed politicians. Rep. John Boehner has already promised as part of his pitch to be Speaker of the House that he would oppose the measure. Conservative Republican Senate and House candidates across the country are campaigning against cap and trade, using it to hammer moderate Republicans and Democrats.

"It's a very big deal," said Brian Walsh, a spokesman for the National Republican Senatorial Committee. Delaware, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Kentucky are among the states where opposing cap and trade, he believes, is helping Republicans win tight races.

In California, Charles and David Koch, the two billionaires responsible for financing the Tea Party movement, have already donated $1 million to suspend the Global Warming Solutions Act. And they say they are prepared to invest more. In California alone, the war chest to repeal the Act already has $8.2 million with roughly $7.9 million coming directly from state energy firms. Likewise, the Koch brothers and business groups have financially backed dozens of Republican candidates running against pro-cap and trade Democrats and even a few moderate Republicans who support the legislation.

6) More disastrous economic policies like the practices that caused our financial crisis. Financial regulatory reform was not perfect. But even the little Obama managed to do will be in danger if Republicans regain control of the Congress.

"If Republicans who oppose Wall Street reform are so offended by holding big banks accountable, then they should have to share with voters whether or not they would support repeal of the bill if elected," said DSCC spokesman Eric Schultz. "Any Republican who wants to return to the no-holds-barred, letting the big banks run rampant... jeopardizing Americans' savings and investments will absolutely be held accountable for that position during the campaign."

Well, according to Fox Business, Rep. Darrell Issa wants finance reform repealed altogether. On Wednesday, Issa fired his first salvo at the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, introducing a measure that would repeal parts of it. And once again, Issa is not the only one. When it comes to protecting the interests of the extremely wealthy, the Republican leadership continues to be in lockstep. Let’s remember the bill only passed 60-39 with nearly the entire Republican party opposing it. Shortly after it was passed, those same Republicans started calling for repeal. House Minority Leader John Boehner told reporters on the day of the vote, “I think it ought to be repealed.”

“If we were in a position to do something, maybe [Boehner] is right,” said GOP Policy Chairman Sen. John Thune of North Dakota. Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-AL, said he’d “love for it to be repealed.” Sen. Richard Shelby, R-AL, the ranking Republican on the Senate Banking Committee, told "Good Morning America" that he and other Republicans would “like to repeal it.”

The only thing stopping them -- and the only reason we were able to manage any type of reform at all -- is that Republicans are in the minority. With a majority in Congress, they will come back emboldened, on a mission.

7) Kill or drastically slash Food Stamp program. During times of financial crisis, the Republicans will always cut safety net programs before raising taxes on the rich. We already know this. Back when Congress approved the 2009 Recovery Act, it included a 13.6 percent increase in food stamp benefits to aid workers hit by the recession. The entire Republican right opposed this $787 billion stimulus package, and they are simply waiting for an opportunity -- as with health care and financial regulatory reform -- to undo its provisions. At present, they eked out concessions from Democrats that will gut the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) of $14.1 billion.

Carl Paladino, the Republican candidate for governor in New York, even suggested putting welfare recipients in prison dorms where they could work in state-sponsored jobs, get employment training and take lessons in "personal hygiene." The Tea Party-backed Paladino, a wealthy Buffalo real estate developer, won Tuesday night. He ran his campaign against social service programs in New York.

Food Stamps are a lifeline for the low-income and the unemployed. At a time when at least 10 percent of the country is unemployed, food stamps could mean the difference between barely surviving and dying from hunger. Nationwide, a record 40.8 million people — one in every eight — currently receive SNAP benefits. In poorer states the number is one in five or six.

8) Roll back and repeal equal rights for gays. The Republican party is quieter these days on social issues like gay rights, but the party platform has not changed from six years ago when it railed against gay marriage, pressed for the Defense of Marriage Act, and stated that homosexuality and military service were incompatible.
"Attempts to redefine marriage in a single state or city could have serious consequences throughout the country, and anything less than a Constitutional amendment, passed by the Congress and ratified by the states, is vulnerable to being overturned by activist judges," the Republican party platform stated back in 2004.

In recent days, the Montana GOP has actually taken that anti-gay message a step further. The Montana GOP platform now calls for making homosexuality illegal.

Meanwhile, at the Value Voters summit last Friday, Republican elected members of Congress sought to reassure their cultural conservative base that opposing gay marriage continues to be important to the Republican party. Politicians like Delaware Republican nominee Christine O'Donnell, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and former Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney were there to reassure the anti-gay religious right.

"Ours is not so much a fiscal crisis, it's a family crisis," Huckabee told the group. "There is a direct correlation between the stability of the family and stability of our country."

"Those of us who have toiled for years in the values movement found ourselves surrounded by Americans who had rediscovered the most fundamental value of all, liberty," O'Donnell told the audience, bridging the gap between cultural conservatives and the Tea Party movement.

Family Research Council president Tony Perkins said he was working closely with House Minority Leader John A. Boehner, R- Ohio, to ensure their anti-gay, anti-abortion agenda would continue to be a part of the GOP platform.
9) Abandon the unemployed. In March, Senate Republicans filibustered an extension of unemployment benefits. At the time Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl called the entire unemployment insurance system a necessary evil.

Back then, several Republicans made the claim that unemployment benefits keep people from looking for work. Among them was Georgia Republican Rep. John Linder. Another conservative claimed that stripping the unemployed of benefits would force them to “sober up.”

This claim was backed up by the conservative Heritage Foundation and Fox News, until it actually transformed the national debate into the question, “Do extending benefits to the unemployed create a disincentive to find work?"

During that one-week Senate impasse, while the Republican majority filibustered extending unemployment benefits, more than 2 million Americans lost their benefits.

10) Paralyze one branch of our government. You may disagree with President Obama, but immobilizing one branch of our three-branch system is no way to run a government. If the Republican party regains the majority in Congress it will continue to maneuver from the mid-'90s congressional playbook. The key to regaining power in Congress has been obstruction, and it will continue to be the key to regaining control of the White House.

In February, there were nearly 200 executive appointees still waiting confirmation. Many of these vacancies are critical to running the government. (During the same period of the Bush administration there were only 77 vacancies.) In March, President Obama was forced to start making recess appointments trying to circumvent unwarranted opposition in Congress. Just last week, Obama was forced to make Elizabeth Warren a special adviser to the White House in an effort to get around the Republican minority in Congress.

Republicans have held up appointments for the sake of union-busting. They have used "secret holds" and refused to offer justification. But more importantly, they have held up appointments simply because they can.

Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., described the unprecedented secret holds as institutionalizing dysfunction. “This seems to be an attack on this administration to do its constitutional duty."

In the end, this may prove sufficiently bad for the president; but the implications for the citizens of this country are far more dangerous.
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Devona Walker has worked for the Associated Press and the New York Times company. Currently she is the senior political and finance reporter for theloop21.com.
 

Kit B. (277)
Tuesday September 21, 2010, 10:58 am
And this beginning list is called: Smaller Government! In just what universe do these peanut brains reside? Smaller government that has a focus on building bigger more aggressive corporate domination, smaller government that insists on trampling into the personal and most private part of your life, smaller government with a strongly religious overtone. Smaller government with the singular intent of dismantling the constitution.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Tuesday September 21, 2010, 11:42 am
Would like to point out that there is a PETITION attached to the story.....so open the link.

The petition is Tell Congress: Don't Extend the Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy. Important petition. I signed, hope others will too.

I'm not happy with all that is going on with the Democratic Party. I don't think they have done enough in certain respects, as with the Health Care Bill, I wanted, as do many others, a Universal Health Plan, like they have in Japan, UK, Canada, Finland, and many other Countries around the world. Is no reason we can not also do it, except the For Profit Health Care Industry prevented it, Democrates didn't fit hard enough. Yes, perhaps some may have lost their jobs, but darn it, people are dying out here without health care, people are sick and in pain without health care.

But.......

On the other hand the Republicans will do worse for the common people. So I'd rather have the Democrats in office and help push them along, then the Republicans that we will have to fight tooth and nail with, that is if we have enough energy to do so, with lack of income and food that would be happening if these safety net programs are cut or eliminated.

This is serious stuff people. So get out and vote, like your life depended upon it, for it very well may. Those of you who live within a few hours of Washington DC, get working on getting yourselves to the Rallies being held on October 30th. No excuses. If you feel your health is too poor, then get the youth in your life involved and help them get there, maybe you can offset their gas and lodging monies, but do something.

Not familiar......I put on a story about it......link to Rally to Restore Sanity and March to Fear is:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/901507364/2387019

Kit has also put stories on about it.

Rally to Restore Sanity
http://www.care2.com/news/member/451276626/2406866

March to Keep Fear Alive
http://www.care2.com/news/member/451276626/2406956

Read them, get mobile, do something, can't go at least educate others, offer them a ride to the polling booth. Fight for a better way. Democrats may not be perfect, but if the Republicans win, it will be hell.

 

Val R. (230)
Tuesday September 21, 2010, 11:43 am
Well I sure don't want them back in power!
 

Nancy M. (201)
Tuesday September 21, 2010, 1:53 pm
It is a scary list.

THINK though. What is the real reason for privatizing social security? THINK. We already have IRA's. We already have 401k's. We have ways to invest in our own retirement. And they have been telling us since the 80s and 90s that we each need a million dollars to retire. Now they tell younger people that they need two million.

THINK- why do they do this? so they have more money to play with in the stock market. Till it pops. THEY have lost YOUR money already. Why let them do it again.
 

Linda G. (187)
Tuesday September 21, 2010, 1:56 pm
Why any thinking person would vote for a party that wants to shut down government, get rid of health care for those that need it most, take away equal rights for all, privatize Social Security (I already lost my 401Ks in the stock market, thank you very much), give tax breaks to the uber wealthy while cutting wages for middle class Americans and ram their social agenda down everyone's throats is a complete mystery to me.

If you value your freedom, you will get out the vote for Dems this November. Obama has actually accomplished a lot in 2 short years and would have done more if not for the "just say no" party of obstructionists. Republicans have no new ideas, they obstruct and play partisan games with our lives. We must put a stop to this.
 

Susan S. (191)
Tuesday September 21, 2010, 2:04 pm
As a Canadian I don't have a very thorough understanding of American politics. I can only hope that the Republicans don't get in a position where they can accomplish all of these negative objectives. Obama has not been in power that long and it seems reasonable to give him at least a decent chance at reform. It takes time to fix something that took so long to get in the state that it was in when he came into power. It would be a shame the US was not able to achieve the strides in health care reform and other reforms that are being developed. I pray that the Republican Party doesn't succeed - Sarah Palin might be helping them to lose hopefully.
 

Caitlin Mac (102)
Tuesday September 21, 2010, 2:10 pm
I was all set to doubt that all 10 Republican maneuvers were likely ones. Unfortunately, they all seem VERY likely. I'm not sure this country is changing all that much, I just think it's becoming clearer and clearer that the wealthy corporations are running things in the US of A. Too many Americans have not the discrimination to figure that fact out in view of VERY clear evidence. If anyone can give the same trust and credence to the Supreme Court after its vote to allow FAT CAT CORPORATIONS to fund their PATSY POLITICIANS, there's no hope that they'll ever get the message. We should find a way to fire those Supreme Court Judges who passed this stupid, ridiculous, anti-American ruling. The Republicans are committed to keeping their patsy politicians in power. They have the money; they have the clout. Are we "little people" going to stand by and let this happen to us? I know that's why Care2 is so important to us. It gives us a place to vent, to inform, and to ac via internet. We in the US must do more. We must write to local papers; we must knock on doors; we must run for office. That's almost ludicrous these days. Running for office is becoming a dirty word. I suppose that what the nabobs want.
 

annie rogers (71)
Tuesday September 21, 2010, 8:00 pm
they are all corrupt............all parties they all have dominated and have had a chance to make changes and will promise you everything and dont know anything or care ex: asked one guy running for ba political p[osition and asked him what his thoughts were on the tethering law in merryland and he said WHAT IS THAT
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Tuesday September 21, 2010, 8:07 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Caitlin because you have done so within the last week.
 

Brian Drake (11)
Tuesday September 21, 2010, 10:29 pm
People do seem to have short memories! Republicans lit the fuse that is our current mess!
 

Nancy L. (139)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 7:30 am
Keep telling yourselves this fantasy at your own peril

Do you really think Dems are any better? Really?
 

Nancy M. (201)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 7:45 am
I do think the Dems are better, though certainly not good. The worst thing I can envision is Republican control sending power back to the corporations. They will take away your pensions, salaries, healthcare, and Social Security and Medicare. Just so they can make more bonuses. That is what has been going on for thirty years and it will get worse.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 9:45 am
Then you are fooling yourself...IMHO
 

Jean Muir (6)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 10:12 am
The polarization of the American people will continue if the Republicans win the majority of seats up for grabs in November. It will be an "us against them" mentality, and any liberal minded thinking person will not be heard. Fore warned, let's get out the voters who want to perserve the equal rights legislation that has been enacted.
 

patricia lasek (317)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 10:18 am
If the Repugnicons regain power I will be living on the streets. Without my SS retirement income, I can't pay my mortgage anymore. Those jackasses think with their wallets.
 

Al Baars (27)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 10:50 am
"Do you really think Dems are any better? Really?"

Yes, I do. What was you point, exactly? Are you saying you agree with what republicans want to do? How is this good for the country?
 

Al Baars (27)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 10:51 am
"You cannot currently send a star to Kit Away because you have done so within the last week."

Thanks a ton Kit!
 

Nancy M. (201)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 10:54 am
Ne L, my family fooled itself for years by voting for the repbulicans, thinking that one more penny they could keep is better than not. But slowly they have all woken up. My fathers pay from 1950 till 1985 did keep keep up with inflation, due most likely to this corporate mindset. He was well enough off, not a problem. I look at how my sisters and I are certainly not keeping up with what our parents had- despite have more education, more training, "better" jobs, two incomes and fewer kids. Why corporatism.

They will suck you dry. Not that the dems are that much better. It is the lesser of two evils. But now fool here. I now see the man behind the curtain and will not fall for their foolishness. Privatize social security- B*llsh*t. They just want us all to put it into the stock market so they have more to play with. You want private social security- guess what- put it into your IRA or 401k and hope it is still there when you retire. I have already lost a bunch twice alread.
 

Suze Q. (1)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 11:10 am
The most terrible thing the Republicans would do is to save this country from the sociialist takeover this current WH and majority House dems have been doing quite expediously. They would downsize govt making it smaller, they would try to rescind some of the outrageous debt imposed by this admins that will stifle your grandchildren/greatgrandchildren, cut taxes so small business can hire and create jobs. I have watched my democrat controlled county govt attempt to control everyone, I do not need any govt to tell me what to do, what to eat, what to flush, I am not dependent and can decide for myself what it appropriate for my life. I recycle, I am frugal, I do not commit crime, I want govt out of my personal life.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 12:02 pm
If you lost money in your retirement account how is that anyone's fault but your own? You do have control over it don't you?

Had I left all our money where it was we would have lost a lot too. I moved all ours into safe accounts as soon as it became evident that Obama was going to be elected. That was the day before it plummeted.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 12:03 pm
Noted, thanks Kit. I don't want to think about this possible nightmare. We are already planning on moving early next year because we can't afford living where we are...and I certainly would not want to have change plans and move to another country.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 12:06 pm
DITTO Suze.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 12:08 pm
***my family fooled itself for years by voting for the repbulicans, thinking that one more penny they could keep is better than not. But slowly they have all woken up***

Funny, I say the same about my family voting Dem for years. Thank goodness we woke up. My six sibling all are doing much better than my parents did.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 12:10 pm
You blame republicans because you rely on SS?

Why would anyone plan their retirement assuming SS would be there?
 

Lynn Allen (0)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 2:15 pm
Dang, if I thought they could accomplish about half this bull, I'd vote Republican!
 

Nancy M. (201)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 2:35 pm
"If you lost money in your retirement account how is that anyone's fault but your own? You do have control over it don't you? "

You can only put your retirement money into the plan your company uses (or into an IRA). So yes, many Americans lost money in their reitrement funds. Some retirees lost everything. And some of them were ONLY allowed to invest in the company which then went backrumpt.

So there it is- blame the victim because they had a job and worked hard all their lives and actually tried to save for retirement.

Nobody should invest anything in the stock market that they can't afford to lose. Yet corporations will try to convince you of the opposite. "If you don't invest in stocks, you won't keep up with inflation". Not great advice.

 

Nancy M. (201)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 2:36 pm
"Why would anyone plan their retirement assuming SS would be there? "

Well, I certainly never have yet some do. Perhaps they are the ones making minimum wage who would otherwise have a hard time buying food.

On the other hand, how wise is it to put your retirement money into the stock market?
 

Tomoko Harris (83)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 2:41 pm
Repealing the 14th amendment is bad? That's GOOD! It will end "anchor babies" that allow illegal immigrants to stay in this country and bleed us all white. It was necessary to help children born to slaves, but now that slavery has passed out of living memory - at least in this country - it is moot.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 3:02 pm
Very unwise if you don't have control over it. Ours is in 401K's but they all have conservative funds.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 3:04 pm
BINGO Tomoko
 

Nancy M. (201)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 4:42 pm
"Very unwise if you don't have control over it."

The only money you really have control over is the cash in your pocket. Otherwise, the financial world is playing with. Even your bank account to some extent. At least those deposits are FDIC insured. Though I am sure there are some out there who are opposed to that!

 

Harmony B. (10)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 5:09 pm
I'm moving back to England as the only thing that can save America to dissolve the union. The southern, plain and mountain states are irredeemable. Best let those uneducated flag waving, bible thumping, tea bagging hillbilly cowboy states join the ranks of the failed world.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 5:49 pm
You don't really have control over cash either now do you? Gold is your best bet. Of course it gets really heavy carrying it around...LOL

That would be a good thing for you to do Harmony....DLTDHYAOTWO
 

Tierney G. (383)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 8:33 pm
In a nutshell they would unleash the beast The New World Order onto the Third world country the divided states of amerika! i may be moving to Mexico by the sea after all.....
 

Leanne B. (24)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 10:09 pm
noted thanks
 

Blast Dorrough (43)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 11:03 pm
Only the politically ignorant would vote for corrupt elected representatives masked as "Republicans." We know that the Corporatecrafters run and ruin the natural order of constitutional government to the injury of the working class and small business owner. Their legislative Repubpuppets are anti-labor and always rubber-stamp legislation submitted by the Corporate croofks themselves. Bear in mind that the professional athletes were getting pennies from their geedy employer/owners before they unionized. Now they are all millionaires. The politically ignorant actually work at minimum wages and still fall for the ruses of the Corporatecrafter media of deceit, deception and outright lies. These ignorant, blind fools fail to vote with their own interests in mind. The truth is: Over the last thirty years the Republicans have bankrupted our country to the tune of 20 trillion, stolen through corporate welfare, manipulation of the marketplace and bank Wall Street schemes all designed to make the rich richer. It has happened all through the history of our country. Thomas Paine recognized the rise of the Corporatecrafters during the kingly rule of Federalist John Adams known as the "Reign of Terror" limited to only four years by the election of Thomas Jefferson in 1800. In Letter I of his "Eight Letters to the Citizens of the United States and Particlulary to the Leaders of the Federal Faction" (1802-1803) Paine gave an economic omen that fits our economic situation after 20 years of neo-Federalist/monarchist rule under Reagan through Bush I and Cheney-led Bush II: ". . . .a faction, acting in disguise, was rising in America; they had lost sight of first principles. They were beginning to contemplate government as a profitable monopoly, and the people as hereditary property. It is, therefore, no wonder that the "Rights of Man" was attacked by that faction, and its author continually abused." Jefferson followed up on the observation of Paine in his letter to George Logan on November 12, 1816: "I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

 

Al Baars (27)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 11:23 pm
Repealing the 14th amendment is bad? That's GOOD! It will end "anchor babies" that allow illegal immigrants to stay in this country and bleed us all white. It was necessary to help children born to slaves, but now that slavery has passed out of living memory - at least in this country - it is moot.

I don't even know where to begin. Your comment is so ignorant and racist as to be un-American.
 

Al Baars (27)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 11:27 pm
"I'm moving back to England as the only thing that can save America to dissolve the union. The southern, plain and mountain states are irredeemable. Best let those uneducated flag waving, bible thumping, tea bagging hillbilly cowboy states join the ranks of the failed world."

I'm with you, Harmony. If the traitors are allowed to "take back" government in November, I'm getting my passport and looking to move back to the fatherland :>)

They can once and truly own the failure they have been working so hard to achieve.
 

Al Baars (27)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 11:43 pm
" they would try to rescind some of the outrageous debt imposed by this admins that will stifle your grandchildren/great grandchildren"

I know of one grand child who was born with a pre-existing condition. The Republican plan holds no future for her other than one of denial of health coverage and no social safety net to help her out. Ultimately the Republican plan will kill her, as surely as if the lined her and others in her circumstances up and shot them.

The Bush White house and Republican controlled Congress put national health care into Iraq's constitution.

This is too good for America however, because their friends in the insurance industry would loose their asses if national health care were to happen here, so they label it 'socialism' and get people without a brain in their head to scream against their own best interests.

Anyone who votes Republican at this point in history deserves what they will get in lives and jobs lost, and decrepit futures. Hopefully there are more Americans with brains and memory enough to ignore the loud shouts of the ignorant.

Why is it exactly that Republicans are so gung ho to go to war 'to protect our country', yet don't want to spend a dime of 'their money' to help out her people?
 

Blast Dorrough (43)
Wednesday September 22, 2010, 11:53 pm
Just six months before his death ironically on July 4, 1826, Jefferson recognized the fully entrenced and usurped power of the Corporatecrafters: "But this opens with a vast accession of strength from their younger recruits, who, having nothing in them of the feelings or principles of '76, now look to a single and splendid government of an aristocracy, founded on bankiing institutions, and moneyed incorporations under she guise and cloak of their favored branches of manufactures, commerce and navigation, riding and ruling over the plundered ploughman, and beggared yeomanry [the middleclass and the small business owner]. This will be to them a next best blessing to the monarchy of their first aim, and perhaps the surest stepping stone to it."
Also applicable today are the words of the well-informed Poplulist Pary of 1892 finding that Corporate "Corruption dominates he ballot-box, the Legislatures, the Congress and touches even the ermine of the bench. The fruits of the toil of millions are boldly stolen to build up colossal fortunes for a few, unprecedented in the history of mankind; and the possessors of thes in turn despise the Republic and endanger liberty." Of course, the plunder of the Robber Barons of that day was only in he millions. The Corporate plunder of today has been in the trillions. Jefferson saw the rise of the Corporatecrafters via a silent usurpation of power unnoticed by the politically ignorant as is the case today. The Corporatecrafters would have a tough time getting elected dogcatchers if not for their blind voter base. History has shown that the illegally established corporate state of monopolistic fixed enterprise masked as a constitutional Republic has had the same disastrous economic results as if under monarchism, communism, fascism or the more modern day American communist capitalism as in Chinese communist capitalism of cheap labor. Time to get out and vote and take back our constitutional Republic. The Corporate crooks then must be charged and tried for their plunder of our resources and Treasury. If convicted, jailed for years in similar fashion as bank robbers when plundering their banks. Examples must be set or the Treasury heists will never end.
 

Jo Hofreiter (20)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 12:36 am
Thank you Kit, for bringing up this extremely important issue, I can't even conceive of the negative issues if the Republicans took over again.

Wasn't once enough with Bush for the same American?

Don't they want their Social Security and Medicare for either themselves or their parents?????

JO
 

Nancy M. (201)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 6:06 am
"You don't really have control over cash either now do you? Gold is your best bet."

Well, I suppose I get be pick-pocketed by some thief. On the other hand, I never have been. I'll take my chances on that pick-pocket.

As for Gold, it is simply too expensive right now. Not worth buying. If only we had bought in 1999 when my husband wanted to- it was about $400 on oz. back then.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 6:13 am
"Don't they want their Social Security and Medicare for either themselves or their parents?????"

Actually for some reason they don't. They would rather get rid of both. And yet they are concerned about those "death panels". Go figure!
 

Nancy L. (139)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 6:55 am
I meant that your cash may be worthless tomorrow Nancy. While we did buy some gold it is hard to walk around with.

GOP wants to fix SS not do away with it. Anyway, if the money is not there it can't be paid out now can it?
 

Nancy L. (139)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 6:56 am
I'm in favor of phasing out SS over a period of time and allowing people to control thier own retirement.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 6:58 am
**The Republican plan holds no future for her other than one of denial of health coverage and no social safety net to help her out. **

Not true. Read A Pledge To America. Not that I am thrilled with it, but it is a start.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 7:00 am
***The Bush White house and Republican controlled Congress put national health care into Iraq's constitution. ***

Because Iraq wanted it there. Majority of Americans do not want ObamaCare. We want something better.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 7:39 am
People actually can "control" their own retirement. It is called an IRA and/or a 401k.

and if our cash is worth nothing tomorrow, then so is everything. Any government bond, any stock, any moeny market, any bank account, etc.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 7:43 am
I have been hearing since before I even ever had a job about Social Security disappearing. I finally realized (thanks to some of the posts here this summer), that THAT is also part of the fear factor that people will use to get rid of it. Part of the scam, what they WANT you to believe.

While I am certainly not counting on it, I ought to remain. And yes, if there is not money their, it can't be paid. And yes, even my TSP lost money. So much for that plan.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 8:32 am
***People actually can "control" their own retirement. It is called an IRA and/or a 401k. ***

***You can only put your retirement money into the plan your company uses (or into an IRA). So yes, many Americans lost money in their reitrement funds. Some retirees lost everything. And some of them were ONLY allowed to invest in the company which then went backrumpt. ***


Which is it Nancy? Yesterday you said people don't have control of how thier accounts were invested?
 

Nancy M. (201)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 8:46 am
They have as much control as their company allows. Just like the TSP- one can only put money into the accounts that are allowed by the government. The financial world is really in control of your money. The government allowing you to "Control" your social security isn't any safer than any other plan out there. You could lose it. As you said: "I meant that your cash may be worthless tomorrow". You words, not mine.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 9:25 am
WILL america allow this to happen? Noted.Thanks Kit for taking the intiative to post this article.Thanks Ani ( Arij).
 

Al Baars (27)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 11:00 am
"Because Iraq wanted it there. Majority of Americans do not want ObamaCare. We want something better. "

So, Bush Co., and Republicans believe in national health care, so long as the majority of Americans want it, but won't educate the people as to the benefits? What kind of twisted logic is that?

So while we were bombing the sh*t out of them, we also dropped ballots?

Is there something better than Obamacare? Yes, there's the public option. Prey tell, what do republicans have in mind, buying insurance out of state? What if you're unemployed or cant afford to buy, what then? Will they forbid insurers from dropping you for 'pre-existing conditions'?

"I'm in favor of phasing out SS over a period of time and allowing people to control thier own retirement."

How exactly will you control your own retirement when Republicans remove the last shred of financial regulation, allowing for an even greater collapse. When the GOP says things like 'control your own retirement' what they really mean is roll the dice, take your chances, and if you lose, die quickly.

SSI isn't just about retirement, its also about disability benefits, since not everyone can afford to or will pay a private insurer for this the costs for everyone will go up.

"Read A Pledge To America. Not that I am thrilled with it, but it is a start."

This is the same old tired travel brochure that might sound good to some people, but its the same old destination, Americans deserve better than corporate control. You're right about one thing, it is a start. Unfortunately the finish will be the ruin of us all.

But then NE L. is just here to float the talking points and collect reactions in order to generate counter lies. Best to ignore her. For a glimpse of her true ugliness, see her 'groups':

'Care2 Get The Word Out?, Conservatives Care2, Debt Free is Key, FOX NEWS HEADQUARTERS, Former Silent Majority, GAVI Alliance Immunize Every Child, Louisiana Lagniappe, NEW WORLD ORDER, Red Blooded, Meat Eating, Gun Toting, Jesus Loving Conservatives, Reforming Our Democracy!, THE LEFT THE RIGHT AND BEYOND, THE LEFT, THE RIGHT AND BEYOND ARCHIVES, The Free And The Brave, The Sentinel's Watch'

So NE L., who would Jesus bomb? Isn't 'Jesus loving conservative' a contradiction in terms? Based on how Republicans have acted over the last 40 years, a closer phrase might be 'you can't be a Christian AND a Republican'.

hugs and kisses,
Al F.

 

Patricia C. (96)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 12:10 pm
"People do seem to have short memories! Republicans lit the fuse that is our current mess!" So true Brian, while the Repubicans had 8yrs to get this country in a dire situation, they gave Obama no time before they started screaming, and I mean SREAMING, about "taking back our country".
Why is it that doubling of the national debt under George W. Bush did not cause outrage among these people? The one thing I agree with is that we need to take back our country, from corporations. The Republicans want to give them MORE power; to pollute, to buy candidates, to deny worker's rights. Thanks for post Kit.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 3:05 pm
Keep your blinders on. We shall see. We shall see.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 3:08 pm
The bottom line is...if you want to have more unemployment and less economic growth keep the same old ruling class in.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 6:30 pm
Well, the class that has done the majority of the "ruling" at least since 1980 is the corporatate rich backed by the republicans. The eyeopener is that is doesn't have to be that way. CEOs aren't really worth 400x more thabn the janitor.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 6:35 pm
"But then NE L. is just here to float the talking points and collect reactions in order to generate counter lies. Best to ignore her."

Sorry Al F. I should have.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 7:50 pm
CEO salaries are not for you to decide unless you are a shareholder. Government has no business telling private corps how much to pay employees.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 7:54 pm
Yeah you can remain blind. Time will tell.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 8:50 pm
I am not the one who is blind.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Thursday September 23, 2010, 8:52 pm
OK
 

Trish K. (93)
Friday September 24, 2010, 8:22 am
Most of the time you are preaching to the choir, Kit.
Nothing to say except VOTE
 

Harmony B. (10)
Friday September 24, 2010, 9:34 am
This thread illustrates a few reasons why things are going so bad in America, bad enough that I'm heading off to Europe rather than try to change things here, as are a lot of my fellow young college grads. While the obscenely wealthy may be the ones pulling the strings, they are not the root of the problem. The millions of disenfranchised traditional lower middle class white Christian hillbillies are are, and the leadership of the American left, which is very old, will not let us, the youth, deal with them.

Dealing involves sitting the rabble down and making it perfectly clear if they open their ignorant redneck mouth again, I'm going to break their freaken hip, nobody cares what disenfranchised old people who failed at life think about anything, good luck finding an orthopaedic surgeon given the death panels and all.

If I were one of the ruling elite, I wouldn't negotiate with progressives, given they can't keep low end white trash hillbillies in line, they are of no threat to me.

Tea baggers, religious fundamentalists, and the other assorted right-wing loons are the 21st century's version of "Scabs", treat them accordingly...or stop bitching.
 

Nancy L. (139)
Friday September 24, 2010, 11:03 am
Well Harmony Europe is the place for you since you don't seem to understand our 1st amendement at all.

DLTDHYAOYWO
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Wednesday September 29, 2010, 5:06 pm
Thanks Kit for excellent post and great discussion.
 

Jae A. (323)
Thursday October 7, 2010, 12:38 pm
NE L...you talking about the one that the Tea Baggers are wanting to do away with as soon as they can... I wouldn't count on it helping anyone, after they are through with shredding our Constitution,Bill of Rights and anything that stands for the good of people of this once great nation.

I can't see how anyone would want their SSI in the hands of a cassino crap tables clutches..aka...Wall Street..you all know them, they along with eight years of Bush took us to our economic crisis that we are in today. Oh sure...lets give it to them to play and or party with. It seems there is some truth to the old saying...that there are suckers being born minute of everyday and the Tea Baggers be most ripe for their pick'n ...[remarkably so ..against their own good].
 

Terry King (108)
Thursday October 7, 2010, 4:47 pm
The Republicans suck! Go vote for democrats!
 

Gabe Barrow (0)
Thursday October 17, 2013, 3:08 pm
okay you can't refute facts, htis was the campaign slogans for obama:
No tax increase except for the fat rich guys:
Affordable Health care where it's going to save a family over $2,500.00 a year.
Tax hikes for the rich Americans only
ah,ah, gotta keep reading.
2013: My 21 year old son paid $450 making 10K a year, now with the new law of the land he paid $950 because he made $12K the following year working part time. I didn't realize that he was a rich american.
Health care went up 16-40% due to what the companies will now have to pay for folks getting on the plan. So now I get to pay an addittional $5,184.00 a year for my health insurance and about an addittional $1,300 to the boys in washington so they can decide who is worthy of my money. Dosen't seem fair to me. If it seems fair to you my bet is that your not paying much into health care. And the food stamp program, really 48 million on the program, seems a little excessive how about backing the govt out of business, let business either survieve or die on their own, wages will work out based on the value of the product produced or the level of workmanship the company is looking for. Did you catch the news in new orleans when the Snap card had high limitaions, did you happen to catch that great shot. The carts were so filled that you couldn't get a stick of gum in them. Wasted programs put in place to induce no self esteem, rewarding people not to work is a kick in the face of what this country was founded on. Hard work, feeling proud of an honest days work. Now this country has become a country of where's my food, where's my check, I need total dissability. It use to be a life style it is now a family tradition. I'm done on this site, I found it in error but won't be back. Good luck to all of you who feel that this savior in washington is the "one". Do a check and balance on what rights you have left today, money in the bank and what assetts you have. See what happens in two years if that long from now. And don't even talk about what republicains would do with the constitiution. Where have you been. I can['t even begin to count the laws broken by washington. Oh and the last cave in by the republicians, if you pay attention, with the democrats if the vote goes through they are giving the president the power to raise the debt limit with no vote. Hell why not. Good luck in never neverland.
 
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