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Why Occupy Wall Street Is Good for the Tea Party


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Kit
- 1162 days ago - motherjones.com
The OWS protests have given the tea partiers a rare media opportunity to position themselves as the grown-ups in this fractious political climate (if not the geezers that they tend to be).



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Kamila A. (141)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 2:03 pm
Well, if they come aboard, with permission, then they better learn how to spell first, and how to align themselves with the right ideas, not FOX fed lies. In fact, they must swear off of FOX and Limbaugh and Hannity and all those crazies, and turn their backs on the GOP. If they can do that (and I have my doubts) then, OK, we can deal. We are One.
 

Caitlin Mac Iver (103)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 3:11 pm
If trash is the only point of interest for the Teabaggers, I'm not sure it's enough to make them the grown-ups, do you? Weird! In my quick reading of this I must have missed something I guess.
 

Cam V. (417)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 3:13 pm
"After all, the movement may help to reinvigorate the tea party, which has lost considerable steam after the midterm elections."

That statement contained in this here article is false. All of the negative publicity given to the Tea Party by the Dems was the best advertisement the Tea Party could have been given. It was free and membership grew like a rocket. They have been very active in their local arena working diligently towards the 2012 election cycle. They are ready.
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 3:35 pm

You might want to move down to this side of the border, Cam. Many of the stronger independent T- parties are losing members, though I am sure once a candidate is chosen they will reinvigorate. The point here is that a united America is a stronger and healthier America.
 

Robert Hardy (68)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 4:16 pm
I don't think so though so constructive actions like honest and do-able plans might be more helpful than the costumes and such. Hard to tell though... they are no more crazy than our representatives......
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 4:35 pm
I love it how when the Tea Party people stood up for their ideas it was patriotic a wonderful thing, the American people voices being heard. But when non Tea Party people stand up and are also stating things are going wrong somehow those people are dirty, non patriotic, and don't pick up their trash. Give me a break.
 

Myron Scott (70)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 5:14 pm
If this article offers a logical reason who OWS is good for the Tea Part, I missed it. But then, a lot of silliness has been written in normally sober progressive sources in support of OWS in recent weeks. OWS deserves the support, but not the silliness. An analysis of the basic value structures of the two movements (lacking in this article) would reveal a vast distance between the two.

The Tea Party philosophy is one of extreme cynicism about government as a means for the public to take charge of their common lives and environment. It places total faith in private, individual initiative, whether within the 1-2% that control most of the wealth and power in this country or the 99-98% that do not. To the extent it shows any concern for the common good, it merely echoes the rickety claim of Benthamism that unlimited pursuit individual self interest will yield the greatest good for the greatest number.

Whatever else OWS and Occupy Together stand for (something apparently that still is being hashed out), they recognize that the 1-2% elite run nearly everything in this country, including the government, for their private, individual benefit. They are about returning power to the vast, disempowered majority of the people. Some who once sympathized with the Tea Party may have shared that goal, however much their movement was manipulated by and for the 1-2% elite; but OWS and Occupy Together, are about other things, as well, that are antithetical to the Tea Party. They are about creating community, about enlarging participation in decision making, and about creating more public spaces in our society.

Nancy Pelosi recently correctly criticized the Tea Party for wanting to shrink the public sphere. OWS strives to enlarge it, perhaps in new directions that cannot be contained within current government forms, perhaps, like the revolutions that have swept the Middle East and much of Europe and South Asia in recent years, by expanding civil society through more democratic forms of government.

Fundamentally, the two could not be further apart. OWS is about community, about "We." The Tea Party is and always has been about "Me." That contrast certainly does not make the Tea Party the grown-ups.
 

Susan S. (191)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 7:03 pm
The Tea Party movement is so farcical that it benefits the Democrats by splitting the Republican party. If the Tea Party wants to dissassociate themselves from the OWS movement by claiming how different they are, then it just reinforces how far out of touch with reality that they really are.
 

Yvonne White (233)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 7:45 pm
I hardly Ever bite or kick, so I think they'd be smart to Join us.. oops, Smart Tea Baggers??? Okay, IF they let us Spell-check And Fact Check (and check their IDs, guns, etc.!;)
 

Susanne R. (249)
Wednesday October 19, 2011, 9:43 pm
I wouldn't compare the Tea Party to the OWS! The Tea Party was a flash-in-the-pan. First of all, their name is misleading, as their platform cannot honestly be compared to the cause of the Boston Tea Party of 1773. Its leaders and promoters have proven themselves to be less than what they claim to be, which is supported by the fact that they've failed to produce a viable presidential contender. The Tea Party governors who were elected in 2010 have proven themselves to be shills for the elite 1%, and their policies have caused considerable damage to the middle class and to our country's economy. The Tea Party was, after all, instrumental in causing the debt ceiling debacle --and they did it fully aware of the probable consequences and without regret.

The OWS protesters represent every segment of society (except the elite 1% --even though a few from their ranks support it). While it's true that the Tea Party protests did not result in police intervention or arrests, it's also true that large banks were not making large donations to the police departments in the areas where they held their rallies. And the police are less likely to harass or arrest well-dressed elderly people who look as though they might be well-connected.

The Tea Party has been reduced to a tea bag that's been used to make one cup too many: it's all used up!
 

Quanta Kiran (65)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 3:04 am
Thanks
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 3:39 am
Whatever you say, Tea Party.
 

Kathy Javens (104)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 8:18 am
Noted. Not to offend anyone, but I think the TeaParty should drop from the face of the earth. Just my opinion.
 

Kristen H. (25)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 8:24 am
I might be a geezer, and I might go to work every day, but I have mistrusted the "tea party" idiots since their first party. I am one of the 99%. Tax the elite 1-2% who have stolen the 99%'s money, future, and environmental stability. Make work pay, not theft.
 

John Gregoire (264)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 8:36 am
I am a little upset by the unions trying to muscle in on the occupy movement. After all, it was union inistance on ridcuolously high wages that drove business and manufacturing our of America. The whole thing is very similar to the textile industry leaving New England for the south many years ago. Then, it left our south for overseas. Unioons have their place and were needed in the past. Now I see them as part of the problem.
 

Kit B. (276)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 8:37 am

When the T-party groups began I was, as were may interested in what their objectives might be or become. I posted this article primarily as a "think" piece. There is a deep chasm in our country, a lack of trust or even respect of each others rights. If we can not find a middle ground and it seems we can not, then what Union, have we? We call one side radical liberals - without a clue as to what that means and the others right wing nuts. In fact, Americans are all a little nuts but historically had a singular objective the betterment of each other meant the betterment of the country.

One is fool hardy to believe that a depression will suddenly "turn around" what has happened will take 10-15 years to begin to turn around and then only with a strong spirit of cooperation.
 

Kit B. (276)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 8:55 am

Actually, this is not the unions. Most unions are organized for a fair voice when the workers are being abused by the employer. As for Unions or anyone else wanting to support Occupy - more power to them. I would like to see this grow and grow until finally DC must take action. We need jobs, we need strong programs to get some things moving. Most important and sadly we need to realize that NO ONE person has the answers for a turn around. These recessions/depressions always take time, real time 10-15 years to be on the bright side.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 2:46 pm
"All of the negative publicity given to the Tea Party by the Dems was the best advertisement the Tea Party could have been given. It was free and membership grew like a rocket."

Lol, rotflmao

The tea party started with, "Obama raised our taxes." He lowered them. They are typical fox borgs. Misinformed to no end. Haters of the Liberals that ARE OWS.

Camila K. is right. The tea party is going to have to reboot, tune out and turn on to the reality of this depression. They are always caused by the wealthy right, greed. They always come with their own propaganda (fox etc.)

No more plants please. That's just wrong. We're trying to save our asses from the fascist right.
 

Christopher Fowler (84)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 3:33 pm
Of course the Tea party is upset with the OWS protestors; after all, the OWS movement attacks the same people that fund and run the Tea Party.
 

Joe R. (190)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 3:58 pm
Oh those teabaggers!
 

Linda G. (187)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 5:36 pm
What is interesting to me here in Arizona is that the teaparty protestors show up armed to the gills and are ignored by the police. The Occupy protestosrs show up sitting peacefully unarmed and the police are on them like bugs on a bumper.

Occupy Sedona has grown from 5 to 122 as of this moment and we are offering solutions as well as protests with our signs. Each week the response from those driving by has become more positive. Information is key and for anyone to think OWS has no clear message, they just need to stop by and ask....
 

Robert S. (115)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 6:52 pm
Late afternoon evening @ OWS today 10_20_11 Enjoyed unloading trucks of food today. feeding the masses of people who stay or just stop by. Spirit very high. Great feeling to help somehow, since marching was not in my legs.

10_20_11 Arrest coaching.

A little mountain music 10_20_11

M. Moore comes by to encourage us again 10_20_11


March against Fracking
 

Bonnie B. (103)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 7:37 pm
Kit!!!! So glad to see you!!!

Tea Party Reps have come to speak to our San Diego Occupy. They were not well received. I so admire the OWS people for not allowing any other organization to co-opt the movement, especially the TP. Unions and orgs like MoveOn are, at least here in SD, doing their best to support the people Occupying without usurping the movement. Last night I went to a mayoral debate to see what Bob Filner had to say, He spoke at the 350.org rally in September and voiced his support for OWS last night. We'll see if he keeps true to his words should he be elected. The lame duck Republican mayor is trying to privatize a bunch of essential city services and city worker pensions as his "Legacy," in between giving orders to the police to harass the Occupiers (otherwise the police seem to have a decent relationship with the OWS). Boo hiss to him. I've been spending quite a bit of time as a spokesperson for our MoveOn chapter going to City Council meetings and testifying on things like privatization and I think a visit to the City Council on behalf of OWS is in the works.

If you want to support the movement but are unable to occupy with them here's an example of what you can do:

http://obrag.org/?p=47519

The Mayor and Council member offices are being flooded with calls and emails to support the Occupy people. Just like in other places they have taken away their tents and driven them from place to place of shelter. Bloomberg was forced to stop the 'eviction by cleaning' in NYC, we can stop it in other places where the protesters are being harassed by the police via the mayors. I hope you'll call and or write to the SD authorities and any other city or town you can to voice your support of the Occupiers! It would certainly be nice if city officials supported them by adding trash receptacles to the occupied areas and allowed tents and port-a-potties.

Even if you are not physically Occupying, you can march with them and get really jazzed, hang out and talk to people there and/or donate a few $$ or, it's getting cold, bring a blanket, tarp or old coat for them. If they can't use these things, I'm sure they will give them to the truly homeless people who are tending to hang with or near them. I think the homeless are enjoying the safety, free food and entertainment, now we'll just hope the movement will also help them get off the streets and into true shelter.
 

Myron Scott (70)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 7:39 pm
Yah, those damned unions. Without them we wouldn't have all these burdens on the poor corporations like the eight hour day, the 40 hour week, paid sick leave and the minimum wage. Maybe we should drop the whole Occupy Wall Street thing and Occupy the AFL-CIO.

Tea, anybody?
 

Gloria H. (88)
Thursday October 20, 2011, 8:49 pm
We didn't clean up after ourselves? Take a good hard look at the protests. WE are of every age, color and able bodiness imaginable. WE were raised to respect police (circa baby boomers) and the government. But WE are also the people, the 99% who hit the alam clock each day in a house, a car, or tent and either go to work or look for work. We respect one another, but are now demanding that our elected officials do their share of work, NOT smoosing at power lunch lobby paid restaurants, or our other civil servants pepper spraying people using free speech. We are possible idealists, but we are also the people who are going to set this country back on track.
 

Janet R. (34)
Friday October 21, 2011, 3:30 am
OWS is anti-Tea Party. OWS is a response to the Tea Party as the Tea Party does not represent the views of the most of the people. Why the Tea Party does the bidding of the rich is beyond me since they will be cast aside like rancid food when they are no longer needed. Go OWS, thank you for getting out there. Shame on the police, they should be sitting beside you not rounding you up.
 

Janet R. (34)
Friday October 21, 2011, 3:36 am
I just read a comment which needs to be brought up again as the poster is 100% correct. People complain about the unions but us non-union workers would not have the benefits we do if it were not for the unions. The unions received the benefits first and then they were passed down to the non-union workers. So, those of you bashing the unions, rethink it. And, I am not a union worker just a worker who likes my 40 hour work week, vacation and sick time, and health benefits. I would hate to see those benefits go away and many companies would gladly get rid of those benefits if they could get away with it.
 

Robert B. (58)
Friday October 21, 2011, 6:55 am
Here, in my humble opinion, are the differences and similarities between the Tea Party and the OWS: Both are angry at what is going. Both have legitimate fears. But the Tea Party only fears for ITSELF and the RICH. They don't care about the poor or the environment and are TOTALLY BLIND to the trillions of dollars Wall Street has stolen from the world's economies. They refuse to lay blame for the Housing derivatives scam at the feet of the perpetrators, instead trying to blame the victims (home buyers). OWS KNOWS that Wall Street Banksters are to blame. They KNOW that the poor, middle class and the environment matter much more than the super rich.

We now have over 50% of the population making less than $26,000 a yr. while the number of millionaires have increased 18% since 2009. We can give credit to the "Let Them Eat Cake" party, the GOP. And no thanks to the 10 low-life Democrats who voted with the Republicans in congress against the current Jobs Bill. Shame on them!
See the award winning documentary, "Inside Job" to get a clear picture of what we are up against.

We have to start dealing in reality. I was wrong when I once said the GOP is in Fantasy land, they are actually in the land of the Dodos.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday October 21, 2011, 7:36 am

Right to the point Robert and so many others posting here. I suppose we have no chance of helping the T-party to even understand the origins of their chosen name much less the reality of standing fast against their own best interest. Remember the Tea Party was, in its' time an illegal act. For a group that claims they support "law and order" it is at best an odd choice for this group. Most disturbing to me is the underlying effort to make this a Christian nation. Our freedoms rest on the foundation of religious freedom, perhaps we all need to go back re-learn the actual history of this country.
 

Robert S. (115)
Friday October 21, 2011, 8:02 pm
Pete Seeger to march and sing in support just about now. Going. :0
 
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