Thursday February 9, 2012, 9:21 am
? no link ? Would have liked to read.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 9:22 am
Why vote for Obama?

published for http://blogtalkradio:liesmycountrytoldme.com/
by Kit Blumenstein

When considering a vote for the office of the president; far more should come into the decision than just a hard and fast ideal of whether one has voted consistently for a democrat or republican. Each election term we are offered an opportunity to think beyond the nearly over whelming noise of political rhetoric to try and make decisions that will, and do have long term effects. We should be asking ourselves not what party is popular, not what the candidate seems to be, but what that candidate can or has done to enhance the greater public good.

Many are taken with the idea that only one who has vast business experience can meet the challenge of the office of the top administrator. In fact, history has shown that to be a fallacy, a truth only in the pubic mind. Nor is the mark of a good administrator necessarily linked with years of work within the political realm. We need a person with above all good intentions and if possible one who values his own glory far less then the forward advancement of this country.

As recently spoken by none other then the influential Rush Limbaugh, the republican party has given us a very poor set of choices.
This is not entirely true however, those who have been most ignored specifically Gary Johnson and Buddy Roemer, just might have been candidates that would have opened the field for the republicans. Rather then consider these more moderate and open thinking candidates the field of choice has remained tightly locked on two driving issues, the ability to raise vast sums of money and an appeal to the most extreme right wing of the republican party.

What has Obama accomplished? In nearly four years of constant turmoil and doubts about such utter nonsense as birth certificates and religious affiliations, he continued to manage to keep his focus on the agenda of what he and those who elected him found to be of primary importance to the growth of this country.

Though Obama must have realized that as he took office he was entering a financial crisis of enormous portion. It is highly doubtful he could have foreseen that it was of the proportion not seen since the days of the bank holiday in 1929, leading most directly to what is called the Great Depression.

His first tasks those planned during his campaign, had by circumstance and need to put aside and full attention on the financial sector had to become the first priority. Many still argue and disagree with the highly controversial “bail-out” or TARP system, an agreement reached by the consensus of those from across the financial and economic sectors and offered to the president as the only possible way to avoid the total collapse of not only the US financial system but that of the world at large. I suspect these decisions will be under scrutiny for years to come, both by historians and economists. Though it should be stated that all but 89 million has been repaid to the government and the CBO reported as of May of 2010 over 3.7 million jobs have been created by the private sector.

However, beyond this highly controversial situation there are also many accomplishments, some that are also under constant scrutiny, their need and value to the public all but ignored by some, lauded and praised by others and nearly all but unrecognized by the majority. I wish to touch only on the tips of those many things of accomplishment as we have little time for long detail.

Arts and Culture
Banking and Financial Reform
Civil Rights
Commerce, Trade and technology
Conservation
Economy
Education: College
Education: Health of Children
Employment: Jobs
Energy: Green
Energy: Old
Energy: Oil
Foreign Affairs and International Relations
Government Efficiency
Health and Wellness
Health Care Reform (See also Taxes)
Housing
Humanitarianism
Immigration
Infrastructure
Labor
Law and Justice
Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security
Military and National Security
Military Veterans and Families
National Disasters and Emergencies
National Service
Scientific and Medical Research
Space Exploration and Space Station
Taxes
Transparency and Accountability
Recovery, Progress and Change
Miscellaneous


A more complete and comprehensive listing of accomplishments to date may be found at:

http://obamaachievements.org/list

I think anyone bothering to do the reading of just what has happened in these last few years that goes far beyond “Obama Care” or “TARP” would find it most difficult to take issue with the path we are currently taking toward turning around the US problems and paving a road toward the 21st century.
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Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 10:06 am
because THIS butcher would be a little bit less un-friendly towards the sheeple, while butchering them, than the others. (?)

If voting could really change anything (of importance) it'd have been outlawed long ago.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 10:20 am

Well, Wolf I would hardly call him a butcher, but I don't care for the war mongering attitude in this or any past administration. I too am very tired of constant rhetoric about Why We Must Go War, the truth is that what we must do is force our government to end this campaign of war for profit. In the final analysis we really do have only two choices, I would prefer an opportunity to vote for another party, but in my state neither write-In's nor third parties will appear on the ballot. Though many of us are working on that and perhaps once we are finally rid of Perry, we can once again restore our state to something resembling democracy rather than open fascism.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 12:17 pm
Thanks, Miss Kitty. So amny ignore what our President has accomplished despite the many roadblocks put in front of him. I think he is a truly remarkable man and is fighting for the needs of this country.

Obama in 2012!

Thursday February 9, 2012, 12:35 pm

Patty:
I think people have made many assumptions based on nothing more then republican rhetoric and a few incidental news items. If one were to follow the link I provided above they just might stop and think before jumping to unfounded conclusions.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 2:58 pm
Does it really matter who we vote for - Obama is a puppet and works for the globalists - he was bought off long ago - even though I did vote for him last election. Doesn't seem to make a difference anymore - I'd vote for Ron Paul - but he'll never be allowed to win - so what's the point.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 3:03 pm
Noted and thanks for the article Kit.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 3:04 pm
Meet Rocky Anderson

The Strategic Plan for the United States of America

Thursday February 9, 2012, 3:06 pm

Geesh - the point is just to take a stand. Of course Obama is in many ways a part of the system. There is the alternative - allow the republicans to win. If you think we are not better off now then under the republican regime then I can only say good-luck. I spend a lot of time doing the research for this and he has done one hell of a lot more then most know or understand. I posted a link within the article - check it out. He's been very busy and 99% of what he has done has been ignored by the press.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 3:10 pm

MJM - I talked with Rocky a few weeks ago, he's a good guy and I like him. Then again, many of us live in states that will not allow a third party nor write-ins on the ballot. I think we need some time to fight off the current insanity and time to regroup to build a third or fourth party.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 3:35 pm
Obama may well be the least of the evils.

There are no heros coming forth.

Where have all the heros gone?

.............to OCCUPY together with the people.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 3:55 pm
You have the right idea, Kit. We can't write in or vote third party here in our wonderfully Fascist state can we. Man, I sure do miss ol' Annie!!!! At least she gave a damn about the working people. We will just have to vote for Obama this time and hope like hell we can rid ourselves of Gov. Goodhair and change the ballot system. Maybe next time around we can vote for Rocky or someone like him. This time though, I will have to vote Obama because the alternative is full blown Fascism in spades and to hell with the working people of this country. I don't even wanna contemplate their rule....

Thursday February 9, 2012, 4:40 pm
Considering the unprecedented BULLISH resistance which was organized before he even took office...I salute this man! He consistently takes the "high" road and avoids wallowing in the slime tossed at him by Republicans. I think ONE REASON they hate him so much is he will NOT stoop to their level.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 5:28 pm

Nope Pam, you just don't understand one absolute FACT, being southern probably helps. Obama is Hated because he is a black man that is actually living in the WHITE House.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 5:30 pm
The thing that always pissed me off is that sometime in the 60's the CONservative Media started calling Liberals spineless and whimpy.. and Liberals keep trying to Prove them right. Obama is not a full-fledged Liberal, he & Hillary are what I think of as adopted Moderates - Democrats who are too afraid of the whimpy Liberal label to wear it fiercely. So they do what they can in areas where they really should be going beserk all over CONservative asses...and take small victories instead of Major Medals. It's just not enough any more - in this Instant Winner, Tweet this, kinda world.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 5:47 pm
Don't get me wrong - I will vote for Obama..I'll just slightly resent it & pray for a Real Liberal like Kucinich to run in 2016!:)

Thursday February 9, 2012, 6:09 pm
Whatever mistakes he has made, Obama is1000,0000 times better than any of those Repulsicn, I mean Republican clowns.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 6:25 pm
Thank you for your views Kit. I think you make an excellent point in regards to all the President has accomplished that the media tends to ignore. It perhaps relates to everything else in life, focus on the negative instead of embracing the positive. But of course we all realize money is at the bottom of all politics and as far as the media is concerned, well they know what sells!

Thursday February 9, 2012, 7:33 pm
Kit, I was born/lived in the South during my "formative" years and understand about the "black" thing. (What do those racists make of his white mother?) But...living in California, I just don't see/hear the racism...although, if I read the "code words" on Care2, I can usually spot it if I look.

You're right....I forget.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 7:43 pm
Kit, Terrie, I can surely sympathize. I have been one of the Presidents biggest supporters from the beginning. I continued to support him after he refused to hold out for Single Payer healthcare for all. I continued to support him when he laughed in our faces after his own survey asked what is the most important issue facing America, when drug law reform tops the list time and time again. I continued to support him even after he went back on his promise to leave Medical Marijuana States alone, but is now allowing his jack booted DEA thugs to terrorize every state who’s voters want medical cannabis. Even with all of the spineless kowtowing he has done with the Repubs, I was STILL ready to give him the benefit of the doubt. Then he signed the National Defense Authorization Act, allowing indefinite detention of American citizens.

Every time I’m confronted with a Ron Paul supporter, I point out that just because he has a couple of good ideas, it doesn’t make his dangerous ideas less so. Yes, the President has done some good things. It’s his gutless selling out to the rightwing that shows me he is no different then they are. Complete transparency? Science guiding policy? Change we can believe in? Yes We Can? No, I can’t.
We all should be voting our consciences. After everything I’ve heard from Rocky Anderson, my conscience has spoken. If it get’s close to Nov, things may change, but for now, I’m going to support REAL change. The kind of change that is desperately needed. For those that say there is not enough time, I can remember when ten months in politics was an eternity. With the Occupy movement and the power of social media, I have to believe that anything is possible.

The closer the two Parties become, the less chance that either become the ‘lesser’ of two evils. My vote is to end the evil. I wonder, what message will be sent to the Dems when they see the the overwhelming support for the Justice Party? Isn’t it just the message they need? Is Obama listening?

Thursday February 9, 2012, 8:01 pm
As appealing as Rocky is, this is still the real world. If he pulls 4% it will be a miracle. Voting for him will only help the Republican candidate.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 8:45 pm

Marshal, ya know I love ya...but did you actually go to the site I posted? I didn't really want to write this piece about Obama, after 2 or 3 days of all day research I realized that he is indeed far more than I had realized. A sell-out? What would you do if the choice was yours to make? Extend the tax-cuts or leave millions without unemployment benefits? Obama never said that HE was the change - only that we could begin a change and, as typical for US voters, once the vote is cast we are finished and expect these guys to do it all, while we do little more then complain. Yes, I too wanted single payer and that was why I supported Hillary over Obama because he was Very clear on that issue all through the campaign, he thought we needed insurance re-vamping. He never said he favored single payer. So let's all take a deep breath and remember that this is politics and not religion and none of these folks walk on water or have the ability to create miracles. I write at least 3 times a week to Obama, mostly when I'm pissed but occasionally to say "good job."

Thursday February 9, 2012, 8:47 pm
Thanks Kit.

Interesting post and comments.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 8:47 pm
I will vote for Obama because he has had the guts to tackle the most serious problem facing the U.S. today--population growth.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 9:26 pm
MJM--I'm not disagreeing with you, but later developments with the National Defense Authorization Act for FY2012, before Obama signed it, seemed to receive only light attention by the press. The "Feinstein Amendment" was inserted which preserved the previous NDAA law's parameters concerning military detention of "U.S. citizens and lawful resident aliens detained within the United States". That doesn't mean we can go into sheeple comas, but it does buy us a little time to watch and wait. This Act comes up every year or so, and now that so many watchdogs are aware . . .

Thursday February 9, 2012, 10:01 pm
Kit, I love ya too, and have tremendous respect for your opinions. Yes, I read the link and agree, there are a few impressive accomplishments. It’s just too bad that, to me at least, his broken promises and his signing of the NDAA negate much of those accomplishments. And just his refusal to prosecute war crimes should make all Americans repulsed at his contempt for the rule of law. The same with prosecuting the Wall Street bankers for their destruction of so many lives. If the Commander in Chief has no respect for the rule of law, what difference does it make that he was able to accomplish a few good things?

It seems that there are different opinions as to what issues are most important, as evidenced by cecily’s comment. All I know is that the President has shown me that the things I think are most important, he couldn’t care less about. I cannot, in good conscience, support that.

Friday February 10, 2012, 12:51 am
I agree with Patricia and Pam. I have always liked and respected President Obama, and I have faith him. I was subjected to a great deal of criticism in 1972 when I voted for George McGovern. The Democrats had intended to have Edmund Muskie run, but they lost confidence in him when he became emotional over a newspaper article that viciously attacked his wife. He was labeled as "unstable," and George McGovern moved into his spot. (I wonder what they would have thought of Boehner, who develops crying jags over insignificant things and then votes against bills that would help the poor and the sick without a hint of regret.)

It wasn't because I was terribly impressed with George McGovern that I voted for him, it was because I had a terrible feeling about Richard Nixon. Alarms seemed to go off in my head every time I heard him speak. Every single person I worked with told me that I was a misguided and naive kid, and that I had thrown away my vote. On the day he stepped down in disgrace, and everyone who had voted for him had already turned their backs on him and were laughing and making jokes at his expense, I reminded them of how they had treated me. Sometimes intuition serves a person well.

Friday February 10, 2012, 3:05 am
Mr. President, your words no longer hold the allure for me that they did in 2008. Your slogan of "Yes we can" turned into "No I can't" almost as soon as you took the oath. Sure, you had opposition. Every president does. Yes, the Republican opposition was vile, vicious and irrational as well as completely destructive. That was/is no reason to retreat into a corner of the Oval Office and surrender. Like George Bush you asked little of us to help you because, apparently, you chose to do little. What you did get done sounded grand but was completely inadequate to answer the challenges we faced after your disloyal opposition brought our economy down and destroyed our personal economic prospects and achievements. You did not fight for us. Your speeches which once thrilled us with your soaring vision and promises of change turned lifeless and defeated almost as soon as the election was over.

Well, Mr. President, it is almost the end of your first term. We still want you to succeed. Do we want it more than you? Are you willing to settle for the superficial over the serious and the substantive? This time words will not suffice. This time we need action. By action, I do not expect much in the way of concrete legislative achievements. The 2010 elections have made that impossible. What we do expect is for you to follow up on your Kansas speech by PROPOSING far-reaching solutions to our many challenges: directly or indirectly hiring, not a million or so, but most of the 20+ million unemployed and underemployed, fixing a financial services industry poised to wreck the economy and millions of lives all over again, ending wars that squander our treasure and our lives, reworking a foreign policy tradition that places the profits of corporations over the aspirations and economic security of people, establishing an industrial policy that brings jobs back home and embarks on a vision of an environmentally sustainable future by taking serious steps to reverse global climate catastrophe and create a truly progressive tax structure that ensures that the wealthy pay their fair share as they did in the 50s and 60s.

Mr. President, over the next eight months, inspire us. Put up a fight to get a good outcome on the debt ceiling. Make us proud. Give us hope that you stand for the many of us and not the few who stand only for themselves.

We tried to make you do the right things. We signed petitions. We held demonstrations. We wrote to you about our trials and our ideas. We talked to our senators and representatives. We did our part.

Now, you want our support. Well, Mr. President, it's long past your turn. MAKE us vote for you.

Friday February 10, 2012, 5:20 am
I had to wade in as lonely voice in the wilderness.

I see no difference between Obama or Romney or Gingrich or Santorum

They all have grandiose plans to twiddle fruitlessly on the nobs on a broken machine. The machine is broken. Throw it away. Start anew.

The US's monetary and foreign policies are unsustainable. You have no friends left in the world, unless you count the ones you can bully. You have no money in the piggy bank. And no plans to stop haemorrhaging cash. The only thing you have left is a big gun. You don't even have freedom anymore.

You can't fix these problems using the same methods, ideas and people who created them.

And by the way Kit, you missed Obama's greatest accomplishment: The Government Debt Bubble

Friday February 10, 2012, 5:50 am
You are not alone Ken! It seems the new message from Obama supporters is that we should vote for the lesser of two weevils!

Friday February 10, 2012, 5:57 am

A blast from the past video review: ======>

"Obama's Legacy Revisited" - NEW HD Video @ Care2 News

Friday February 10, 2012, 7:27 am
Obama is by no means perfect - are we voting for the lesser of two evils? Maybe but do we really have much choice at this point? And Obama HAS done a lot - just because he didn't land on an aircraft carrier and declare "Mission Accomplished", doesn't mean he hasn't accomplished a great deal. I admire him just because he hasn't choked John Boehner yet....

Friday February 10, 2012, 9:12 am
No--he's "by no means perfect."

Who is? Facing the opposition he's faced....who COULD be? How many Presidents have managed to fulfill their campaign plans?

He's a good man who's done a great deal....including NOT choking John BONER! (LOL, Arielle!)

Friday February 10, 2012, 9:50 am

For those who can support an optional candidate, then Rocky Anderson is a good choice, but as someone said the best any third party has managed was about 5% of the vote. We seem to think in terms of only one of two choices, we do not make those choices they are decided for us. And....sadly Ken does have some good points. WE THE PEOPLE - need to take control of this run away train. We are not what the founding fathers envisioned, in fact one of the most important issues to them was that we be and stay isolationist, stay out of war. Stay out of others business. Instead, we steal every last shred of any form mineral from others, prop up a dictator, then leave the country in bloody turmoil.

For those of us who have a choice of republican or democrat - well that choice is an easy one. I will vote for Obama. Each election cycle I pay close attention to just who is running, what they have done with their time on this earth, what do they see as the projections for our future. So other than Buddy Roemer the republicans have offered us some real pond scum this round.

Oh yeah, I do remember McCarthy - my uncle was the governor of South Dakota and my aunt sent out mass mailings to the family and friends to support this man that few of us could bear to look at much less vote in as a president. I also remember "clean for Gene" so young people cut their hair and cleaned up - looking just like the Nixon supporters. Yeah - politics really changes over the years.

I think what I like best about this thread and many others lately is the acceptance of the different thoughts and ideas of others. It's always possible to disagree and still treat the other with respect. Far too many places on Care2 we see nothing more then ad hominem attacks and down right ripping and clawing by some toward others to DARE to disagree.

I consider M JM one of my close friends, we often agree, and here we disagree - only slightly, but there is no attack. There are some others on this thread I do not fully agree with, but I do try to keep in mind that nothing is more boring then a group where everyone is full agreement with no differing thoughts or ideas. We all have a right to form our own thoughts and produce them openly. My thanks to all.

Friday February 10, 2012, 3:52 pm
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Saturday February 11, 2012, 10:57 am
"I see no difference between Obama or Romney or Gingrich or Santorum"

Thats either willful Ignorance or simply ignorance, but in any case its an assessment of how things look by someone who will not see... because they choose not to.

I'm with you Kit.

Saturday February 11, 2012, 3:48 pm
Well said Kat. Another reason to vote for Pres Obama would be that the Regressive (Repub) Candidates are all bat-shoot crazy. They seem to have one foot on the Moon and the other on a pulpit. To say they are Gloriously Loony would be an understatement,

To those who imagine that both parties are the same i would say; Look not only at what the President has done, but at what he has sincerely attempted to accomplish.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 9:44 am
To the "better of two evils" argument, I say it is better to win some and loose some than to throw the game and claim nobility in defeat. With this "bird in the hand" I know I won't get all of what I want. Sadly...not even close. But I also know, what I won't get. Right wing extremist doctrine served with a warm heap of delusional self serving theocratic readings of the founders intent.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 1:55 pm
He has pushed America to the verge of bankruptcy in a very short time and what have you got to show for it?
In less than four years he took the debt of 9 trillion which had been collected by all your past presidents and now has it approaching seventeen trillion and rising.

That is the one reason NOT to vote for him. In order for America to succeed you need to have a sound financial footing and he has your country walking on pea gravel right now. BTW, he has SIGNED a lot of things but what exactly did he alone do for America while President? Put together the health care bill and present it to Congress as the Clintons did? Nope. Instead he dictates like a dictator and rules you via executive order. Your Republic is on its knees. Electing him again will collapse you all together. The man has no clue.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 2:09 pm

Thanks for your input from Canada, but considering our options, I will absolutely vote for Obama. By the way, your figures (financial) are way off base, sounds like a little to much of Fox like information.

Those who have no clue and one in the same that brought this country to a place where Obama has tried to pick up the pieces of any economy all but destroyed and tried to rebuild. Our options? Romney, Gingrich, Santorum or Paul - think I'll take a pass. The only republican that was of interest to me was Buddy Roemer and he never had a chance as he is NOT owned lock, stock and barrel by the corrupt corporations of the USA.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 3:52 pm
Kit your research is awesome! I still maintain that O could have done better, and the straw was for me his fracking policy - which effects my life as well as that of over 16 million others. His NDAA was the second worst and even more disturbing was the fact that the previous administration is getting away with treason without coming to justice, and there hasn't been a "no torture, no rendition" policy from this guy either! Sorry that my morals won't allow me to vote for him this year. I feel somewhat betrayed, I suppose if I lived in a state that wasn't democrat - I might be forced to hold my nose and do it - but NY will vote for him, they don't need my added "mark". I will attempt to vote out Schumer and Gillebrand - for their signing NDAA and that they have not spoken out against fracking. I may be accused of being a 2 or 3 issue voter, but those issues are life threatening and a danger to the character of this nation.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 5:03 pm
9 trillion which had been collected by all your past presidents

Good for the usual laugh Northwind ya plonker. Clinton left us with a surplus. Yer talkin out yer arse

Sunday February 12, 2012, 5:07 pm
Kit, I wouldn't pay much mind to our 'friend' north of the border. From his past comments I'm not all together sure he's not actually on the Murdoch payroll. It's clear that his politics are to the right of Perry's, although his intellect seems to be right on par with the Texas politician's.

Lee, I'm glad to see that some people know what is important. From the Petroleum industry's poisoning of the ground water that millions of people depend on, to how the rest of the world views us when we ignore the rule of law, this President seems more concerned with how Oil executives and Rush Limbaugh view him than his Progressive base. His crack down on medical cannabis has clearly shown us that his concerns are with Big Pharma rather than the millions that find relief from their suffering with a substance the voters have approved.
They say that the President has received more money from Wall Street than any other candidate in history. I cannot vote for anyone that is that beholden to the same elements that have ravaged our society in such despicable ways.

Rocky Anderson: Overthrow the 'dictatorship of money'

Justice Party candidate says it's time to occupy the elections, overturn Citizens United

Sunday February 12, 2012, 5:16 pm

Oh sure, rub it in, that I have a choice of the republican stooge or Obama, remember here in Perryland we are not allowed third parties or write-ins. The people in this country sold out long ago for being able to buy the cutest gadget and buy ever bigger homes. Toxins in the water, air that's killing your children, oceans of plastic and dead fish and birds - don't worry god will fix that. I'm not altogether sure that we deserve any better than we get. And if my typing or syntax is a mess - well blame it on the booze. Yeah, I decided I need to get intoxicated, I've read far too much deeply depressing stuff in the last two days. The world really is on brink of destruction, so many things wrong and so few who really give a damn.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 5:32 pm
Booze is highly overrated as a pain killer, but I ignore that fact myself at times Very well said Kit. Very sad and very true. Still I will do the unpleasant but necessary work and vote to win fellows...like a big boy, because not getting what I want was always a given, though like you guys, I'd hoped for more. Not voting or voting to loose won't change it, though it might make things worse.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 5:35 pm
Kit, may I say, at the risk of getting 'DUH!' as a response, I think something should be done to change those Texas voting laws. So, put down the drink, and get on it!
(you know, I'm only half joking?)

Sunday February 12, 2012, 5:38 pm

It may be highly over rated but it sure as hell does help at times. I'm not much of a drinker so I'm rather easily intoxicated. Then again, I'm easy with lots of things. Politics is supposed to about finding and supporting the people who care, those people that actually want to improve our lives, what the hell happened to that idea? Oh yeah - money.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 5:43 pm

We are working on it - and we are rather well organized. Just waiting to get rid of our dim-wit. Geesh - a little booze and you guys want to ruin all the fun.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 5:50 pm
I wouldn't feel right if I didn't point out what a safer alternative would be. Oh, but wait. It's still a capital offense there, isn't it? Nevermind. :(

Sunday February 12, 2012, 5:53 pm

I do believe I have a severe allergy to steel on my wrists. In Texas one - yes, one joint can get ya 5 years.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 6:00 pm
What can I say....bottoms up!

Sunday February 12, 2012, 6:01 pm

Was that an invitation or a recommendation?

Sunday February 12, 2012, 6:01 pm
Cheers!

Sunday February 12, 2012, 6:04 pm

I love you guys - and not just because I'm tipsy.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 6:11 pm
Thank you Robert...that's what I meant to say....Cheers!

Sunday February 12, 2012, 6:14 pm

You two are just too sober. While I, on the other hand am having fun.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 6:15 pm
Sober. Ok. Thats it. If your gonna insult me than I'm outa here.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 6:18 pm

Oh do tell - come on. And do you follow the rules? Always remember - puff, puff, pass!

Sunday February 12, 2012, 6:31 pm
Whoops, sorry...I'm not really a Bogart...had to step out for a moment....puff, puff, pass! ;-)

Sunday February 12, 2012, 6:38 pm
Wishbone Ash

Sunday February 12, 2012, 6:48 pm
Thin Lizzy

Sunday February 12, 2012, 6:59 pm

That's okay - poured another. To be honest, I would prefer a little puff.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 7:09 pm
That makes two of us my dear,..... everytime.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 7:11 pm

love it - unreformed hippies!

Sunday February 12, 2012, 7:37 pm
Three...but I don't have to wish :) and sorry folks. If I could pass that far, I'd go pro.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 7:41 pm

Okay - three of us. Need I remind you yet again I live in a place that after all other 49 states have made it legal - will still not.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 7:55 pm
Wait a minute. Am I the only one 'legal' here? I'm feelin' bad for you Kit, but Robert, I'm really woried about you. Have you seen that article about New York being the mj arrest capital of the whole world? Although, come to think of it, you're probably safe not being Black or Latino. (great, now you got me started)

Sunday February 12, 2012, 8:02 pm

Well....It's not like we can't get it - we can and do, but VERY carefully. And yes, you are the only LEGAL one.

Unlike so many I did not expect Obama to legalize Maryjane, Hilary maybe. But not Obama - think about it.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 8:07 pm
There IS another option if you would just look for it. There is a group asking for Republican and Democratic nominees to run as a third party option in America. It will be made up of a Republican or Dem President with a VP of the opposite party ..... can't remember the group who is putting this together but one of the women behind was a huge Hilary supporter.

I am right on those numbers btw Kit. Picked them off of NBC actually.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 8:15 pm
No worries, though you heard correctly on all counts.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 8:15 pm

Yes, most of us are aware - but as I said, some of us live in states that only allow one of two choices - and I have made my choice. If I had the choice I would vote for Rocky Anderson.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 8:18 pm
It was Hillary's bonehead husband that tried to crack down on doctors by pulling their licenses if they recommended the herb. Obama showed more promise than anyone. That's why his actions today go against eveything he had said as a candidate. He has been bought and payed for by Big Pharma and the whole Drug War Industrial Complex. Even as the SWAT raids continue on legal dispenseries, I have been telling myself that he will change in his second term. There is less and less evidence of that every day.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 8:22 pm

Well, I guess all we can do is hope for the best on that one. I have my doubts, there is so damn much illegal money used for black ops from "illegal" drugs that I can't see much changing.

Sunday February 12, 2012, 8:32 pm
NBC, Cam? Never Been Correct?

Sunday February 12, 2012, 9:16 pm
CPAC retired police officer explains how big money lobbyists keep pot illegal

Sunday February 12, 2012, 9:42 pm
Police Profit From Marijuana Arrests In U.S.

Cannabis - Weed - Pot - Marijuana - Kills Cancer cells finds UCLA research and others

Sunday February 12, 2012, 10:18 pm
Ending the Global Drug War: Voices from the Front Lines

Walter Cronkite & America's Disastrous Drug War Pt 6 of 6

Sunday February 12, 2012, 11:38 pm
NBC is not the only channel reporting the level of your debt for cripes sakes. I knew it was around 9 trillion when Buscho left office and now it sits at over 16 trillion. Very simple math MJ .... Obama is ruining America.

Monday February 13, 2012, 12:01 am
Where's the proof of that 'simple math'? You rightwingers have such a bad habit of lying through your teeth without providing any evidence to backup your BS.

Conservatism Thrives on Low Intelligence and Poor Information

Monday February 13, 2012, 12:10 am
Want to Understand Republicans? First Understand Evolution

Monday February 13, 2012, 12:31 am
Cam, have you heard about the results of this new study? 'Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found'. What are your thoughts on these findings?

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

Monday February 13, 2012, 1:08 pm

Interesting Obama is ruining America but - the likes of a Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum would fix all that? Whatever you're smoking Cam, please share. Cause there is no way that those goof-balls could more then cause another war, and of course cut the throats of the very poor and elderly. What we have here is a very direct clash of ideology.

Monday February 13, 2012, 3:37 pm
I posted that first story here on Care2 MJM, and I can tell you,... I thought of the likes of Northwind when I did it though we have enough intellect deprived here without looking in Canada.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/101693842/3098621

Monday February 13, 2012, 4:41 pm
I hear that Robert. So many of these recent psychological studies into the dementia of the CONservative brain, have only confirmed what casual observation has been doing since their hero started the con in 1980. The Party has been pandering to the fools in our society for so long, now the majority of the Party are now idiots! I would think that these troglodytes would catch on some day, but then, it would require a couple attributes they are sadly lacking. Self awareness and common sense.

Hey, that’s right. You posted that article. I’ve seen it in so many places I’m not sure where I saw it first. Stars to you for sure. Just perhaps, some conservatives will see the error of their ways and actually try to attain an education. How about it Northwind?

Monday February 13, 2012, 4:50 pm
Nevermind. Wishful thinking.

Monday February 13, 2012, 5:02 pm
Besides, I prefer People of the South Wind

Monday February 13, 2012, 5:15 pm
Watch out, or he's gonna bring out the big guns and claim your going all Alinsky on him.

Monday February 13, 2012, 5:53 pm

Or would that be he's gonna go ALEC on us?

Monday February 13, 2012, 6:00 pm
Hey, I think Saul was too nice!

But then, HE KNEW

Monday February 13, 2012, 6:04 pm
Good one Kit. I think we've all been ALECed!

Monday February 13, 2012, 6:05 pm

What we really need is another Che, never been another like him, but we sure could use that leadership and passion right now.

Monday February 13, 2012, 6:31 pm
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/788874/krugman%3A_how_did_conservatism_turn_out_this_bad/#paragraph5

Monday February 13, 2012, 6:31 pm
Someone that embodies that leadership and passion, Meet Rocky Anderson

Monday February 13, 2012, 6:34 pm

Sorry guys - no one can stand up to Che. Now that was man who knew how to lead people out of hell and take control of their own lives. At least till he was murdered not without some help from US. From the day his journals were released I read every one and every word.

Monday February 13, 2012, 7:07 pm
I was just reading Krugman's atricle earlier today. I think Freud would have a field day with Willard. 'Severely conservative'?? Poor Romney is severely troubled. It's as if he has a severe head wound. A severe disability, at least! This guy is making the repubs severely depressed. They must be getting severely ill just listening to him talk.

You're right Kit. The world does need more Che's. I have to think that conditions are ripe for creating them.

Monday February 13, 2012, 7:24 pm

I read that too, can you image the noise if Obama said he was severely liberal? Still these goofs make at least laughable.

Yes, we need a Che - If we ever needed someone with his courage, strength and desire to help the human race, we need it now. Che was once asked about his religion, he answered just as you might expect: "...freedom for humans to walk proud..." That was a man that deserved respect and love.

Monday February 13, 2012, 7:33 pm
I particularly enjoyed, 'You may say that such conspiracy-theorizing is hardly unique to Mr. Santorum, but that’s the point: tinfoil hats have become a common, if not mandatory, G.O.P. fashion accessory.'

Monday February 13, 2012, 7:48 pm
"The point is that today’s dismal G.O.P. field — is there anyone who doesn’t consider it dismal? — is no accident. Economic conservatives played a cynical game, and now they’re facing the blowback, a party that suffers from “severe” conservatism in the worst way. And the malady may take many years to cure. "

Cure? I was thinking euthanasia.

Monday February 13, 2012, 9:17 pm
I'd have to say that they've reached the

Point of No Return

Monday February 13, 2012, 9:32 pm
And what about that Gingrich? Trying to pull a JFK. Maybe we can put that moonbase on his Tiffany's card. Talk about a

Space Cowboy

Monday February 13, 2012, 9:43 pm
I think the Joker is a better campaign song for Gingrich than Space Cowboy

Monday February 13, 2012, 9:58 pm
Now it's time for the

REAL NEWS

Why are no other candidates talking about the REAL PROBLEMS?