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Faster Than the Speed of Light


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Kit
- 867 days ago - discovermagazine.com
Runaway subatomic particles seem to be 
breaking the cosmic speed limit. If the results hold 
up, physicists have some explaining to do.



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Kit B. (277)
Thursday February 23, 2012, 2:33 pm

Einstein, relativity, and much of 20th-century physics have come under assault from an esoteric but far-reaching experiment. A collaboration of 174 physicists fired bursts of neutrinos from the headquarters of CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, in Geneva, Switzerland, to a detector in Gran Sasso, Italy. They tracked 16,111 of the ghostlike particles and measured how long they took to complete the trip. After three years of experiments and intense analysis, the team reported in September that the neutrinos were arriving one 17-millionth of a second early.

The minuscule discrepancy revealed by the experiment, dubbed OPERA (Oscillation Project with Emulsion-tRacking Apparatus), has staggering implications. It seems to indicate that the neutrinos were traveling faster than light, violating what has long been regarded as an ironclad cosmic law. If neutrinos really can do that, then Einsteinís theory of relativity, the backbone of modern physics, could break down. Time could flow in reverse. Neutrino-based messages could reach recipients before they were sent. An effect could precede its cause, which would explode our entire way of thinking about the universe.
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by Gregory Mone for Discover magazine

Great article.
 

Mike S. (85)
Thursday February 23, 2012, 3:37 pm
You know I love good science... :) ...here is an early report on the OPERA experiment from CERN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3aB_zUZ1c8
This post is about the discovery of oscillations of neutrinos from mu to tau types.
 

Kit B. (277)
Thursday February 23, 2012, 3:40 pm


And what very interesting results to come to us from CERN, perhaps it is time to move beyond Einstein and begin to draw new conclusions.
 

Sam H. (392)
Thursday February 23, 2012, 3:42 pm
Or was it a loose cable?http://news.yahoo.com/einstein-wrong-cable-loose-155010164.html
 

Kit B. (277)
Thursday February 23, 2012, 3:51 pm

Interesting article Sam, still I would not be surprised to find that even with all systems "go" we have or will find particles that will move faster then the speed of light.
 

Mike S. (85)
Thursday February 23, 2012, 4:53 pm
Although the results, as Sam points out, are in question and require another series to confirm as either accurate or inaccurate, faster than light particles have been postulated in super symmetric theories of the past. Although mainstream Physics does not believe such particles (tachyons) exist, it should be noted that mainstream Physics balked at Quantum Theory at first. One of the, imo, most interesting theories is that of Garrett Lisi :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Gk_Ddhr0M
Once the current series at the LHC are complete, well, who can say...
 

Lauren Kozen (143)
Thursday February 23, 2012, 5:37 pm
Very Interesting. Thank you for posting this Kit.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 23, 2012, 7:02 pm
There are many imperceptible things that are faster than the speed of light.
 

William K. (328)
Thursday February 23, 2012, 8:08 pm
Fascinating.
 

Susanne R. (249)
Thursday February 23, 2012, 10:56 pm
I wasn't able to read the entire article because I'm not subscribed to Discover Magazine, but I do recall having read about this several months ago.

An article written by Marlowe Hood which appeared in "Cosmos" provided these possible explanations::

Theoretical physicists are sure to begin searching for new explanations to account for the unsuspected quickness of neutrinos.

It could be that "the particles have found a shortcut in another dimension" besides the four - three in space, plus time - we know about, Binetruy (a French physicist who was not involved in the experiment but had reviewed the data) ventured.

"Or it could simply mean that the speed of light is not the speed limit we thought it was."
 

Anne S. (25)
Friday February 24, 2012, 1:36 am
Thank you Kit.
@ Suzanne ...Thank you for the insight from Binetruy. This goes along with string theory as I understand it [the many dimensions]. I am not a subscriber either but I suppose I could search it out on the internet and see what I get. btw - you are more than welcome for the green star. keep on posting.
 

Quanta Kiran (63)
Friday February 24, 2012, 2:08 am
Thanks.
 

patricia lasek (317)
Friday February 24, 2012, 6:39 am
Sounds interesting.
 

Terrie Williams (760)
Friday February 24, 2012, 11:18 am
It just goes to show you....the world is more than we know...or ever will know. Nothing in science is (or ever should be) written in stone. Even scientists learn something new everyday.

I am not a scientist, nor want to be, but I like what Binetruy said about maybe the speed of light isn't the speed we thought it was. Could be? :)
 

Kit B. (277)
Friday February 24, 2012, 11:24 am

First, all one need do is click the "no" box and the article is open for reading. Next...Terrie, I would advise you to not put even your toe into the world of science because once you cross that threshold your sucked in for life.
 

Roger Garin-michaud (61)
Friday February 24, 2012, 1:11 pm
noted, thanks !
 

Brad Kraus (6)
Friday February 24, 2012, 1:22 pm
Yes, great article. Always fascinated by these experiments. Thanks for posting.
 

Robert O. (12)
Friday February 24, 2012, 1:41 pm
Thanks Kit.
 

Kevin Lewis (1)
Friday February 24, 2012, 1:44 pm
If what I just read is true, a lot of else have got a lot to learn.
 

Yvonne White (231)
Friday February 24, 2012, 2:08 pm
I've read several (okay, two) articles on the OPERA experiment & the fact they spent months going over everything to see what might've caused the unexpected "faster than light" reading.. because most scientists simply refuse to believe it. One "problem" was blamed on loose cables..yeah, right..I think the more we think we know the more we find we don't know!
 

Jose Ramon Fisher Rodriguez (13)
Friday February 24, 2012, 2:23 pm
Reminds me of the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know?" Apparently, even less than we think.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday February 24, 2012, 4:03 pm
A T.S. Eliot quote comes to mind:

'We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.'

 

Mari 's (1365)
Friday February 24, 2012, 4:05 pm
I They are still testing this and it's not confirmed. I see everyone's excited and I wish this was true but.... It is not :( I'm not trying to add to confusion which I will but :( They are still testing this.
 

Roni Jo Patterson (4)
Friday February 24, 2012, 4:54 pm
Zee, how does one measure something that is beyond perception?
 

Christopher Fowler (84)
Friday February 24, 2012, 5:38 pm
Perhaps we are closer to science catching up to science fiction than we thought we were. Think of the implications to travel between planets, or even stars.
Perhaps there is a Zefram Cochran in our future. Are we ready to meet the real Vulcans?

It would certainly not be the first time that science fiction was there first.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday February 24, 2012, 8:23 pm
Might there be differences in the type of light and identified speeds?
 

KS Goh (0)
Saturday February 25, 2012, 12:21 am
Thanks for the article.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Saturday February 25, 2012, 6:14 pm
"Or it could simply mean that the speed of light is not the speed limit we thought it was."

People weren't sure whether the speed of sound was a speed limit of some sort before it was broken. We're so new to real science, almost anything is still possible.
 

Meta Reid (0)
Saturday February 25, 2012, 6:39 pm
This is so cool. Thanks for the neat article. And, if it could be true that time could flow in reverse, there are a few people that I'd like to go back and visit.
 

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