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Bill Moyers | The Real Costs of War


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Kit
- 990 days ago - truth-out.org
Most discussion about the "costs of war" focuses on two numbers: dollars spent and American troops who gave their lives. A decade into the war on terror, those official costs are over a trillion dollars and more than 6,000 dead.



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Kit B. (276)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 2:31 pm

Excerpt from article, read full article for context.

The Washington Post's Faces of the Fallen collection.

The Dead

6051 U.S. service members
2,300 U.S. contractors
9,922 Iraqi security forces
8,756 Afghan security forces
3,520 Pakistani security forces
1,192 Other allied troops
11,700 Afghan civilians
125,000 Iraqi civilians
35,600 Pakistanis (civilians and insurgents)
10,000 Afghan insurgents
10,000 Members of Saddam Hussein's army
168 Journalists
266 Humanitarian workers

Total: 224,475 lives lost

The Wounded

99,065 U.S. soldiers
51,031 U.S. contractors
29,766 Iraq security forces
26,268 Afghan security forces
12,332 Other allied troops
17,544 Afghan civilians
109,558 Iraqi civilians
19,819 Pakistani civilians

Total: 365,383 wounded

The Displaced

3,315,000 Afghan civilians
3,500,000 Iraqi civilians
1,000,000 Pakistani civilians

Total: 7,815,000 refugees and internally displaced people

Costs to the American Taxpayer

$1.3 trillion in Congressional War Appropriations to the Pentagon the official budget for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

$3.7-4.4 trillion estimated total costs to American taxpayers. This includes the official Pentagon budget (above), veterans' medical and disability costs, homeland security expenses, war-related international aid and the Pentagon's projected expenditures to 2020.
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By Bill Moyers, Bill Moyers & Co. | News Analysis | Truthout |
 

Kamila A. (141)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 4:06 pm
imagine, if we had waged peace instead? if we threw food and medicine, flowers and hope down on the good people of the areas where we instead threw bombs and horror?
imagine how the people might have rallied to help spread that same peace, ousting the heinous sociopathic leaders and creating harmonious lives for all..........but nah, we were bent on blood sacrifices to gods that are insane too wrapped up in hoarding junk and calling it gold. you can't eat gold while the climate kills you and you still drive an ugly hummer that costs $100 to go 20 miles.
we are a lost society, sold out to lies and liars who have held us in bondage to them.
we have a little time left to change it if we are able to see through the lies
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 4:12 pm

Indeed, if only the people would stand together and say "no more".
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 5:57 pm
This is only proof that decisions are not based on what makes sense, or compassionate, but is solely based on profits for some at the expense of others. An unchecked capitalistic system is not a workable system for the majority but only for the few. Most suffer under it's weight, so to does our Earth Mother and all that dwells upon her.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 6:40 pm
Watch....
CRISIS OF CIVILIZATION
 

Kamila A. (141)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 6:43 pm
yes, Dandelion! Capitalism makes sense only when the players are doing it with integrity and open heart, not at all the way the system is currently set up with corruption and hidden agendas. The way the Republicans and great businessmen (including Democrats) talk, they would have you become the idealist, the naive sucker buying into the centuries of lies they keep telling, that their ideas work-----yeah, for them only and for a few wannabes who also fall into that net of becoming exploiters of the masses. Look around and see the failure of these ideas! Its a systematic failure. War is part and parcel of that insane system.

There is a better way. But, its up to us, all of us, to figure out what we are going to do about it. Occupy is a beginning to indicate that people are awakening. It is a movement that will grow.

Waging war made sense to these people. I can see some reading this shaking their cynical heads, saying "its how this world is..." really? Why does the cost, as Kit listed above, make any sense but the cost of waging peace, a fraction of the total of the cost of war, not make sense? Ask yourselves that. Why? Because we have always done it that way?
Now think.......who is truly the one without sense?

It is not so much about standing against something, with a "no more" as it is about choosing to do something better.
Human beings are busy-bodies, always moving and creating. Give them a project and they do it, and repeat it and copy it. Like war.
But, change leadership, like with a Gandhi, who actually started a tide of peace coming in (then got shot for being such an oppositional force against the status quo), and we can move forward.
Waiting for someone else to begin is not the answer. Change begins where you stand. Start the movement within your own home. Visit a lonely neighbor, go to the soup kitchen, volunteer somewhere----open yourself.

Watch the movie Pay it Forward with an open mind and heart.
It could work, if we do it.

We can't wait any longer for someone else to save us from ourselves.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday April 1, 2012, 6:49 pm

Maybe this will help explain some things: John Pilger - Obama and Empire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXL998q7skI&list=LLzDf1IyCzB_wWi4XZO1ZVeg&feature=mh_lolz
 

. (2)
Monday April 2, 2012, 1:22 am
However, you estimate the costs, we can't afford it.
 

Michael Dewey (1034)
Monday April 2, 2012, 2:39 am
It would be good to hear the total number of soldiers who died from their PTSD Wounds after returning home. I believe that number is over 30,000. But Kit, thank you for that whole list.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Monday April 2, 2012, 8:40 am
I always click on flag as inappropriate. I've noticed this past week seems to be an insurgance of these. But thanks BMutiny for reminding others to do so. They want to advertise, they should go the proper route that the others who sell things must go. The worse offenders is the ones that showed up on Memorial Threads, these spammers show no morality and if they think this would get me to buy what their selling, it has the opposite affect on me.
 

JL A. (276)
Monday April 2, 2012, 8:55 am
And this list doesn't even include the costs to restore buildings and infrastructure destroyed nor the environmental contamination to create the war supplies or their impacts when used.......
 

Brian M. (202)
Monday April 2, 2012, 9:25 am
It is too easy for Americans to deflect their individual personal responsibility for maintaining a toxic way of life by blaming the government for wars and the cost of wars. Spoiled brat Americans point the finger at the government that gives them the resources they need to live decadent, wasteful consumer lifestyles. Anyone interested in peace needs to stop shopping, start living simply, and tread more lightly through this world. Of all the things that your American dollars can buy, a healthy planet filled with people who aren't mad as hell at you for the way you and your government interfere in the economic and political sovereignty of their nations ISN'T ONE OF THEM. Americans that truly want peace need to get off their fat bottoms and take a good long look in the mirror at themselves. We are all participating in the evil of this nation whether we want to admit it or not. It will be far easier to take the mote out of our government's "eye" when we have removed the "log" from our own.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Monday April 2, 2012, 9:40 am
In the hot link in my comment above Brian, what you said is covered in Crisis of Civilization. There is a multi prone approach that is needed. But the elected Leaders are the ones who are in the positions to start turning the tide on this, however, it is up to individuals to all do their part.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Monday April 2, 2012, 3:31 pm
Thanks Kit for the John Pilger video link. I put it on the news, assuming you would of done so already if you had wanted. Too good to keep between us and this thread. Here is the hotlink.
 

Dandelion G. (383)
Monday April 2, 2012, 3:32 pm
Ok, bad hair day with hotlinks I guess:
JOHN PILGER GOOD VIDEO
 

Sue Matheson (76)
Monday April 2, 2012, 8:19 pm
thanks
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Monday April 2, 2012, 9:37 pm
Stop the world! I want to get off!
 

Rosemary Rannes (640)
Monday April 2, 2012, 11:20 pm
Thanks Kit for posting and thanks to Dandelion for sharing.
Compassion = Peace = the Utopia we all desire .

p.s. spammers all reported
 

Peace Monger (185)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 1:37 am
Bill Moyers is the voice of sense in a mad world.

Capitalism isn't bad in itself, however, when it becomes predatory, the rules change as we all know. Combining predatory capitalism with militarism is the worse case scenario for all of the world's people, well except those who are benefiting from the grief of others & the destruction of our world. :- /

Another brilliant thread, Kit, kudos & thanks for all you do to bring knowledge to Care2! Galaxies of green stars!

Peace.
 

KS Goh (0)
Tuesday April 3, 2012, 5:45 am
Thanks for the article.
 
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