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Sorry, GOP: The Public Wants Health Reform


Health & Wellness  (tags: americans, babies, children, disease, drugs, healthcare, illness, medicine, protection, prevention, society )

Kit
- 819 days ago - alternet.org
If the Supreme Court rules that the health care reforms passed in March 2010 are unconstitutional, what do you think the President and Congress should do about the health care system? 19% said "leave the health care system as it is," and 77% -->



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Kit B. (276)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 2:39 pm

There's no question the conventional wisdom among all Republicans, most MSM "observers," and quite a few Democrats is that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 represented an "overreach" by the Obama administration, and/or a fatal distraction from the really significant economic challenges it faced. In other words, Obama should have waited for a more propitious moment, at the very least.

It's interesting, then, what a new AP-GfK survey shows the American people think should happen if ObamaCare is invalidated by the Supreme Court:


If the Supreme Court rules that the health care reforms passed in March 2010 are unconstitutional, what do you think the President and Congress should do about the health care system?

19% said "leave the health care system as it is," and 77% said "start work on a new health care reform bill."

That's not surprising when you think about it. Of the 40-60% of Americans who express opposition to "ObamaCare" in one form or another, probably a fourth oppose it because it's not single payer, and half the rest support all the individual components of ACA but either don't understand it, don't trust the government to implement it correctly, and/or have bought some of the big lies about it like the "death panel" smear.

That's why I'd bet quite a few Republican pols secretly hope the Court leaves ObamaCare alone. Aside from giving them a hobgoblin to rattle, that development would avoid the fateful day when the public begins to understand ACA more accurately, and Republicans have to (a) figure out what kind of health care reforms they can support as a party now that they've demonized so much of their own past thinking (i.e., the individual mandate), and (b) get some real scrutiny for such shabby "reforms" as interstate health insurance sales, which sound fine until you think hard for a few moments about how they'd actually work.

By Ed Kilgore | Sourced from Washington Monthly | alternet |
 

Nancy M. (201)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 9:12 am
I have often thought we should totally get rid of health insurance. It seems to have caused more problems than it is worth. And what is worse in some ways is Employer provided health insurance. The old have and have nots.
 

Robert B. (57)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 7:59 pm
I wonder just HOW LONG it will take the public to realize that universal, single payer health care is the best option for us all. Right now it is a mess that leaves us at the mercy of greedy for profit insurance companies who know NOTHING about decent fair healthcare.
 

William K. (328)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 8:11 pm
Single Payer!
 

Rachel k. (9)
Friday June 22, 2012, 1:08 am
We need a socialized medicine petition
 

Kamila A. (141)
Friday June 22, 2012, 6:22 am
we absolutely need what everyone else in this world seems to have: healthcare for all, paid for by taxes. The people who buy the lies of the GOP are so pathetically out of touch, lost in their rage against.....immigrants...? I don't know what. The GOP feel fine about taking socialized healthcare------everything is so upside down. Who are the ignorant fools who don't get it?
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday June 22, 2012, 8:11 am

This is just one of many issues some Americans have difficulties with, the idea of not being the absolute best. Facts have indicated for many years, that with an improved health coverage for all Americans, the health care expense for the nation would be far less then now. It's very difficult to detect whether those who take an intransigent stand on this are doing so because they simply hear the GOP/T say no, or if they have actually read the detailed accounting that should lead everyone to the same conclusions. It is clear the majority of Americans do want a single payer plan. We hear the same message repeated often enough and many tend to believe that message, true or not. The government will mess up the health care we have, or listen more closely. This is saying, the only answer is within privatization.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Friday June 22, 2012, 8:58 am
Well you know Kit, that some people just refuse to pay for anyone else's health care. They claim they take care of themselves. What they forget about is that ACTUALLY their employers pay for the bulk of there healthcare. And the whole idea of insurance is that we are polling the risk and paying for others when we at the time have no need in the hopes that our own needs will be covered down the road. With the insurance company taking a pocketful along the way.

SinglePayer- a good idea.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday June 22, 2012, 9:25 am

Even those who pay an insurance company and not through an employer are a part of this scam on the public. All of the money pooled for profit within the health insurance industry would make a fine health care system for all Americans. Health for profit is just an obscene idea. People are entitled by birth right as American citizens to certain "inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". In today's world the right to life must include the right to sustain that life with proper health care. An idea that our founding father's have implied but during their own time could not see into a future of MRI, or CT scans. Surgery that actually has the ability to sustain life, medications that keep others living and breathing beyond the im'aginable limits of the founding fathers.
 

Paula M. (39)
Friday June 22, 2012, 10:58 am
The public may want reform, but it is clear that they dislike the health care bill that Democrats shoved down everyone's throats.
 

Brenda Towers (0)
Friday June 22, 2012, 11:04 am
Noted.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday June 22, 2012, 11:43 am

I always have suspicions about empty profile pages.

I read each page of the current health care bill online, as could anyone actually interested in following the debate. Nothing was shoved on anyone, the bill began as 30 pages and giving way to republican demands along far too many compromises, it grew into a much larger then needed, bulkley piece of legislation.

This is simple even for Fox followers, first vote HR 676 into the law, then repeal the current health care bill.

Oh my how will we ever pay for that health care, again one must follow the actual bill and read how it will pay for itself.

Try following thomas.loc.gov/ . The Library of Congress attempts to have full minutes of each day in Congress online within an hour, though during the health debate there was so much jabber that did take them longer than usual.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (453)
Friday June 22, 2012, 1:00 pm
This article threw out a lot of statements with nothing to back it up:"a few Republican poles hope the Court leaves ObamaCare alone."I never read a pole? Who did? What Republicans?
 

Christopher Fowler (84)
Friday June 22, 2012, 1:20 pm
The only way to get these health care laws changed is to put Congress on the same programs that they want everyone else to be on, remove all of their ability to give themselves pay raises, remove their very lengthy vacations and , basically, treat congress the same way that any other employee is treated.

When Congress and the Senate are accountable in exactly the same way as everyone else, then we will fix our economy and our laws.
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Friday June 22, 2012, 2:32 pm
Universal Health Care is long overdue. Our health or lack of should not be on a For Profit system.

On November 19, 1945, only 7 months into his presidency, Harry S. Truman sent a Presidential message to the United States Congress proposing a new national health care program. In his message, Truman argued that the federal government should play a role in health care, saying "The health of American children, like their education, should be recognized as a definite public responsibility."

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government." ~Thomas Jefferson
 

monka blank (74)
Friday June 22, 2012, 4:09 pm
Perhaps single payment is the best, why not take Europe as an example ? I believe in Europe is more solidarity, think of the Unions...Stop feeding the 1% !! I agree with Christopher Fowler.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday June 22, 2012, 5:00 pm

Since Teddy Roosevelt both republicans and democrats have talked about a single payer system. It seems both parties decided to sit back and watch what other countries did to address this public need. Okay, time for observation is over, time for action is now. Each country has taken a position most appropriate for their own population, we know our population, we know our needs, now we must stop taking about this and demand the Congress act.

I agree with Christopher, enough of the Congress having one health care plan and the public another.
 

Gloria picchetti (290)
Friday June 22, 2012, 5:01 pm
Without the single payer option there is no point to health care reform at all.
 

Kamila A. (141)
Friday June 22, 2012, 5:05 pm
Europe is way ahead of us in almost everything now. The US has fallen pathetically behind, and the GOP love it that way because they have succeeded in dumbing the population down far enough to believe the bull they have been feeding them, so they truly believe that its just a matter of "taking candy from a baby" at this point. They are not interested in America per se, because they lead MULTI-National Corporations, trading and doing business with China and all the countries they claim to detest.
This is why, I believe, they are running a plastic mannequin as a candidate who offers no answers, no solutions, and has a track record of destroying the economies of cities here, and hypocritically declaring to be tough on China while just previously bragging about being a pioneer of shipping jobs over there (as the Washington Post just reported). This creeps me out because they have no sense of history, morals, values, except to keep on the track of stealing all our money. If we die of cancer that their food-like products cause, and their cell-towers and technologies cause, then that's fine because the world is over-populated and they have harvested as much as they could from this person. Next.
And of course, war. There is always the war-machine where many are killed but the economy thrives for the pockets of evil men. Forget about the Veterans, and all the therapies that could help them, cut the budgets on those! Needless waste!!!
American industrialists, like the hero Daniel Day Lewis played in There Will Be Blood are not the heroes at all, but the psychopathic men who have undone this nation. They are to be stopped, or no one, least of all the stupid FOX stunned idiots, will be able to survive the medical costs that are going to be increasing and increasing, with less and less service. Too obese to figure out their way out from the TV, they will just melt into the stench of their lives and die quietly of heart attacks, while the nation pays in the ER's to resuscitate their useless, shut down hearts.
Please vote Obama, and support life, not the GOP/T team, and rot they are. We ARE our brother's keepers, and that's a simple truth. If anyone has an issue with it, get a clue.
 

Dandelion G. (387)
Friday June 22, 2012, 6:22 pm
Christopher Flower's comment reminds of me Christopher Hayes book he just wrote "Twilight of the Elites" were he mentions that the only way for them to understand what we are going through is to embed them into us as much as possible.

This could be by having Universal Health Care where they are utilizing the same system that the rest of us do. Certainly, with their large monies I suppose they could go outside of the Country, but within the Country they would need to use the same system.

Also I believe bringing back the draft, that way their children will have to go serve in any war they drag us into, and this time, no exceptions for college or some other crap they could come up with. Unless a Military Dr. agrees only disability would be a reason to exempt, the same as for any other persons child who is less well off financially. That would embed them into the War Machine they seem so fond of.

As Christopher mentions, let them understand how most employees work, some work years to get a couple weeks vacation off, many don't even get vacations. Some employers offer sick time but many jobs don't, you stay out sick, you loose your job. Yes, their ability to give themselves raises, no that has to come up to the vote of the people in their own States they Represent. Who else can do that for themselves, just vote to have a higher salary. I know people who got a 10 cent an hour wage after waiting a long time for that, pitiful.

The information about the book and an interview with Christopher Hayes by Rachel Maddow is at
Twilight of the Elites
 

Billie C. (2)
Friday June 22, 2012, 8:29 pm
use medicare and have single payer none of this giant mess of a health care bill that gives all to the insurance companies.
 

Kerrie G. (135)
Friday June 29, 2012, 9:56 am
Noted, thanks.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday June 29, 2012, 10:10 am

Wow! What difference 9 days can make.
 
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