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The "Good News Club": How the Religious Right Is Taking Indoctrination Into Public Schools


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Kit
- 766 days ago - politicususa.com
Ostensibly, an after-school club, the organization, sponsored by the international ministry of Child Evangelism Fellowship, is actually a foothold into the public schools to begin a base of evangelizing Christian beliefs -->



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Kit B. (277)
Saturday June 23, 2012, 7:57 am

Going door to door, risking that each knock will be met with rejection, right wing evangelical Christians have gotten frustrated with the slow pace of recruitment to their beliefs. They needed a new tactic to fill their pews and the easiest targets for indoctrination are young children who don’t yet have the capacity to question whether they are being manipulated. So, the best place to find impressionable minds is in schools. There are thousands of parochial schools across the country where parents send their children to have an education that blends religion with reading, writing, and arithmetic. But this wasn’t good enough for the Christian Right; they needed to cast a much wider net. This is how the “Good News Club” came into being.

Ostensibly, an after-school club, the organization, sponsored by the international ministry of Child Evangelism Fellowship, is actually a foothold into the public schools to begin a base of evangelizing Christian beliefs, particularly fundamentalist beliefs, to youth. What are the beliefs that the “Good News Clubs” want children to adopt? According the author of “The Good News Club: The Christian Right’s Stealth Assault on America’s Children,” Katherine Stewart, they endorse the Bible as a literal and infallible word of God, teach that conversion to their own version of Christianity is the only path to salvation, while other types of Christians are not actually Christian, and they heavily emphasize the role of Satan in everyday life. One anecdote shared by Katherine Stewart in her book is instructive of how the “Good News Clubs,” treat children of other faiths. A Catholic boy had a brother die, and he told a leader at a club that his brother was an angel in heaven. This women stated, “I had to tell him that no, his brother was not an angel in heaven…I could see the look in this boy’s eyes. He was just devastated.” This was because he wasn’t “saved.”

Public schools are supposed to provide a secular environment where children are free from indoctrination into religious ministry. However, the Supreme Court has ruled that after-school activities must be open to religious groups alongside any other group, and by 2010, there were 3,439 “Good News Clubs” in public schools across the country. This seems reasonable enough for a group of Christian students to do Bible study or Muslim students to meet for discussions of Islam. They even have to have parent permission for children to participate. However, “Good News Clubs” have a coordinated national alliance of religious organizations behind them with more than just a self-contained student club on their agenda. They want their version of Christianity to be spread far and wide to susceptible children. They use all of the tactics one would expect to draw in vulnerable youth including offering candy and cookies. Mathew Staver, a leader of the club initiative and President of Liberty Counsel, has written: “Classrooms are full of unchurched children waiting to hear about a Savior who loves them and forgives sin.” Clearly, the group isn’t limiting its reach to current believers, but instead intends to evangelize to other children who are not believers in their faith. Indeed, the clubs teach the children who attend to go out and recruit other children to their meetings. According to Katherine Stewart, “Parents have reported many instances in which children tell playmates of other faiths that they will go to hell.”

But they don’t stop there. The clubs know the power of authority over children between the ages of four and fourteen, even calling this time period, “The 4/14 Window.” To blur the lines between academic educators and the religious educators in “Good News Clubs,” the proponents of these organizations have a scheme. They encourage the adult leaders of the clubs to volunteer during the day in classrooms so that they are ever-present in the lives of the children. Going a step further, they have encouraged public teachers to lead the “Good News Clubs,” a situation which resulted in a court case in South Dakota. At first, the courts realized that having a public school teacher endorse a particular set of beliefs in her own school would be problematic, so they ruled that she would have to lead a “Good News Club” at a school other than the one where she teaches. But another court overturned that initial ruling and went ahead and allowed this teacher to evangelize right in the same school where she teaches. These efforts are all part of the club’s founders’ strategy to give the group the legitimacy that being associated with school affords, since children don’t differentiate between when adults are teaching secular versus sectarian information.

The goal of making their brand of Christianity dominate the public sphere isn’t limited to public schools. The forces behind the “Good News Club” are Christian nationalist or dominionist in nature, believing that the United States should be a Christian nation, run by Christians, including the government. Some of the organizations behind the spread of “Good News Clubs” include the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), the Liberty Counsel, the Council for National Policy, and the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), among others. They have up to $100 million in their war chest to ensure that they can infiltrate public schools with impunity. These same organizations fund actions that work to insert Christianity into virtually every realm of public life. While working to penetrate school systems, these Christian nationalist groups are also working overtime to undermine public schools as a whole, readily admitting that their goal is to “sink the ship.” Claiming that public schools are an affront to Christianity, these groups encourage fundamentalist Christians to get elected to school boards where they can make decisions that actively harm public schools. Where the clubs have come into school districts, they have frequently been the source of major conflict among parents, taking a previously inclusive, harmonious environment to a hostile, divisive one.

Katherine Miller’s book on the “Good News Club” is an excellent source of research on this threat to public schools. It isn’t completely clear how concerned individuals can act given that the courts including the Supreme Court have repeatedly shown favor to these evangelizers. At this point, an important first step may be to simply make people aware of how this encroachment of right-wing, fundamentalist beliefs into our allegedly secular, neutral public schools is occurring.
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Terry King (108)
Saturday June 23, 2012, 2:33 pm
This was being done when I was a child in rural California. This was when I initially learned about the hypocrisy of the Evangelical Christians and the destruction that they cause!
 

Isabelle L. (1)
Saturday June 23, 2012, 4:28 pm
Why are they trying to force-feed the children with their beliefs - leave the innocents alone!
 

Kit B. (277)
Saturday June 23, 2012, 4:51 pm

Go for the young and feed them heavy doses of indoctrination.
 

Antonia Windham (6)
Saturday June 23, 2012, 5:02 pm
From the article it appears a line's been crossed. Allowing a public school teacher to evangelize to children from her own school after hours on school property's not kosher.

Not good news.
 

Surunatik WTF (38)
Saturday June 23, 2012, 6:55 pm
Beyond nauseating. "Onward christian soldiers, marching as to War!..." I think about all we can do is shine a spotlight on them so people aren't blindsided. We can't expect any legal protections from the courts, they're protected by their wealth and just laugh at the chaos.

Aren't there religious organizations that are multi-denominational? Even some that understand the desirability of the separation of church and state/school? Possibly they could be urged to speak out. Otherwise, local protest might be encouraged. But I trust that with the insidiousness of this movement, comes their demise.
 

Gloria picchetti (287)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 5:36 am
Children that want to study the Bible or Koran after school have to do it off campus. The tax payers don't have to pay for the lights & security after school.
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 9:40 am
And here's what the Islamic Center of Murfreesbro, TN has demanded of the local school board:

- Men and boys are always to be covered from the navel to the knee in public.

- Muslim females are required to wear loose-fitting and non-revealing clothing which includes a head covering.

- Some of the five prayers may fall within regular school hours. It takes less than 15 minutes to accomplish the prayer. It includes:

Washing: Before the prayer, Muslims perform a simple wash with clean water. This is normally performed in the restroom sink.
Prayer space and Time: During the prayer, the Muslim will stand, bow, and touch the forehead to the ground. This may be performed in any quite, clean room. Total privacy is not required.
Attention: During the prayer, Muslims are fully engaged and they may not respond to a conversation. Students and teachers should not take offense of the worshiper not answering their call. However, in case of an emergency, the Muslim will respond to an announcement by stopping the prayer immediately.

- Fasting students may ask to use the library instead of the cafeteria during lunch. Also they may ask to be excused from strenuous physical activities during fasting.

- Muslim boys and girls may not take same-sex communal after-sports showers without wearing appropriate covering on their bodies.

- Close contact with local Islamic centers is essential to encourage input from the Muslim community.

- In Islam, Friday is the day for the congregational worship, called Jumaha. It is an obligation that must be fulfilled, and it lasts about one hour.

- Textbooks that contribute to religious prejudice are not suitable.(they can't tell the truth about Islam - that's 'Islamophobia')

- Qualified Muslim educators should participate in the textbook selection process, particularly for history, social studies and geography texts.
(CAIR has been doing this all over the US demanding, and getting, only textbooks that tell what Muslims want to be told about Islamic history and Mohammed - removing all the violence and debauchery)

AND there is a course being actually done in some schools, and supported by court verdict when parents protested, produced by CAIR (a US court unindicted co-conspirator in terrorist funding and is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood that has stated one of their goals is to 'destroy western civilization') where children in 7th grade 'pretend' to become Muslims and live and study Glorious Islam for 7 days! No other religious group could/would ever get away with this, but to criticize these outrages makes you an 'islamophobe' and a bigot - why not when you criticize any other group? Only for Islam.

It's interesting how Kit can publish this article about this outrageous action by these loonies and get lots of praise for defending freedom, but if this had been about Muslims doing the same thing no one would touch it, and if they did they would be condemned for being a bigot. So twisted.

 

monica r. (41)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 10:32 am
Well, I think the fundies aren't real Christians, but they are hardly the only ones and late to the game, I'd say. I suppose you think this is fine? source dawa.net (for and by muslims,btw) (ph#s redacted cause some of you apologists are probably daft enough to call to see if you can help)

Dawa in public schools

Definition of Dawa

Dawa means to invite non-Muslims to accept the truth of Islam. Performing Dawa involves both our words and actions.

Importance of Dawa in Islam

The Quran and the Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) give numerous references on the importance and the obligations of Dawa. The prophetic life of the Prophet involved spreading the message of Islam. Dawa is also reflected in the lives of the Sahabas (the Companions of the Prophet). Now the responsibility of spreading the message of Islam rests on our shoulders.

"Invite all to the way of your Lord with Wisdom and beautiful Preaching" (Quran 16:125)
"you are made witnesses unto mankind" (Quran 2:143)
"Let there arise a group inviting to all that is good" (Quran 3:104)
Provided below would be some practical suggestions that Muslim students as individuals and as a group should undertake to accomplish the above-mentioned goal.

Students: receptive to new ideas

Students are routinely exposed in their classroom to new information and opinions, hence they tend to be more receptive to new beliefs and ideas.

Schools are therefore fertile grounds where the seeds of Islam can be sowed inside the hearts of non-Muslim students. Muslim students should take ample advantage of this opportunity and present to their schoolmates the beautiful beliefs of Islam.

Getting started

First and foremost the Muslim students should establish themselves into a Muslim group (Muslim Students Association, Islamic Circle, Quran Study Group etc.) if they haven't yet instituted one.

Organized efforts give better results and contain blessings of Allah in them. The prime aim of this group should be to evolve Muslim themselves into dynamic Muslim personalities and also to portray Islam to their non-Muslim peers and school staff in a positive way using words and actions.

Personal contact

It has been proven that one-to-one contact with non-Muslim students in the classroom is the most effective way to share Islam. Personal contact tends to be more informal and invites more questions from non-Muslims. It is advised that brothers work with non-Muslim boys and sisters work with non-Muslim girls.

Inviting questions

Muslims can create opportunities for non-Muslims to ask questions by simple actions that reflect living Islam like saying "Insha Allah" (God willing) when talking about a future activity; saying that they are going to prayer during Salaat time; brothers wearing Kufis; sisters wearing Hijab; not using swear words during conversations; telling the truth; wearing modest clothes etc.

The questions that do crop up from peers should be dealt with in a very concise and eloquent manner. Doing this will require some basic knowledge on the part of Muslim students.

Be prepared to explain:

Some of the topics that all Muslims should be able to explain are:

The concept of Tawhid (oneness of God)
Prophet Muhammad as being a real Prophet
News reports about violence by Muslims
Polygamy in Islam
Reasons for wearing Hijab
Reasons for praying five times daily
The Quran and Science
All students should obtain the ways to explain these topics through knowledge gained from their study circle, by reading articles in Islamic magazines, watching videos, attending lectures, and through experiences of other students.

Dawa through the school newspaper

The school newspaper is another effective way of doing Dawa. Muslim students are highly encouraged to become writers and editors of their school papers. Inform the writing staff to consult you before publishing articles on Islam and Muslims. Being a writer will give you ample opportunity to provide Islamically oriented articles which will Insha Allah open the hearts and minds of readers.

As a group, the Muslim students should try to contribute an article on Islam in each issue of its paper. The school may not allow you to preach in the school paper, but Alhamdu lillah, there are ways to circumvent this problem.

When your Islamic group holds any Islamic event like lectures, religious/ cultural events etc, submit an article about this event as a "news" article. This way, you are still presenting an aspect of Islam without coming across as a preacher.

The second way to circumvent the problem is to write articles about Islamic holidays, the two Eids and again submit them as "news" articles. It also helps to have a good rapport with the editor and the writing staff of the paper. Invite them to your Iftar parties, gatherings, lectures etc.

Relief booths to help disaster victims

When natural and human created disasters occur, Muslims students should be the first ones to respond by setting up a disaster relief assistance booth, which collects money, canned food, clothes etc. This gives a very positive picture of Islam and Muslims as servers of humanity, compared to the negative images of Islam portrayed by the media.

Including Islamic holidays in the school calendar

Many school events and exams are scheduled around Jewish and Christian holidays. Muslims students should approach the school authorities as a group and get Islamic dates included in the school diaries to be considered during the scheduling of important school events.

Islamic books in school libraries

Encourage school libraries to shelf books and magazines on Islam written by Muslims, and to provide the librarian with a list of recommended books on Islam. If the library is unwilling to purchase the books themselves, Muslim students should raise funds amongst themselves and from their parents and come up with the required books.

Scanning textbooks for misinformation on Islam

Students of all grades and their parents should regularly scan textbooks to detect any biased material on Islam. If any is found, it should be brought to the attention of the teachers and the school authorities, providing them with the correct information with evidence, and have the teacher announce to the students the correct information.

In this area, the Council on Islamic Education can also help.

Starting an Islamic newsletter

A newsletter on Islam and Muslims can be started by the Muslim students, if the school allows it. This newsletter can be funded mostly by advertisements and donations. A newsletter on Islam and Muslims will again help in dispelling the misinformation circulating about Islam and encourage Muslims to be organized and proactive.

Incorporating Islam into class projects

Some aspects of Islam can be incorporated in school projects. For example, for a speech class, if there is freedom to choose a topic, an Islamic topic should be selected. Similar opportunities can be created in history, social science, writing and other classes.

Remember, it was the Will and help of Allah, Iman (faith) and Muslim creativity that won victories for the Muslims. Schools and campuses are no exceptions as places where Islam can be victorious.

Other Miscellaneous activities

Setting up Dawa tables with Islamic literature
Hosting Islamic exhibitions
Placing advertisements in the school paper with the toll-free telephone number for non-Muslims
1-800-XXX-XXXX
It is highly recommended that all Muslim students carry Dawa flyers in their schoolbags and purses to pass them on to their friends at school. To obtain free Islam brochures for distribution, contact the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) at XXX-XXX-XXXX.

The bottom line

We should use every opportunity to sensitize non-Muslim peers and school staff to Islam and to establish an environment in which everywhere a non-Muslim turns, he notices Islam portrayed in a positive way, is influenced by it and eventually accepts Islam with Allah's guidance, Insha Allah (if God wills).

(this isn't some after-school club, it's an intense campaign to saturate the school day with islamic proselytizing)
 

monica r. (41)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 10:38 am
And in Canada, which, I might add, female students are kept in the back of the room, and menstruating females are behind a barricade or excluded, since we all need our daughters' classmates to know their cycle. After all, a menstruating female is UNCLEAN. Is it just me, or does the misogyny inherent in this policy bother anyone else here?

Toronto school defends Muslim prayers in cafeteria


TORONTO – A majority-Muslim public school in Toronto is defending its policy of allowing an imam to lead Friday prayers in the cafeteria, saying students who leave school for prayers at a mosque typically don’t return to school.

Christian and other prayers are disallowed in the public school system.

For the past three years, some 300 Muslim students at Valley Park Middle School have been allowed to use the school cafeteria for their Friday prayers. Before the policy change, school officials say students would leave classes early and not return.

“I think it’s important to note the prayer isn’t conducted under the auspices of the board,” Jim Spyropoulos, a superintendent for inclusive schools with the Toronto District School Board, told the Globe and Mail newspaper. “This was the best solution that avoided compromising instructional time.”

The issue is “about religious accommodation,” Shari Schwartz-Maltz, a school district spokeswoman, told The Canadian Press.

Those explanations have not placated angry parents, who are lighting up radio call-in shows and blogging furiously — particularly since Christian and other prayers are disallowed in the public school system.

In an unlikely alliance, Canadian Hindu Advocacy, the Jewish Defense League and the Muslim Canadian Congress have voiced strong opposition to the arrangement.

Islamic groups are “imposing their view” to “spread their ideology,” Ron Banerjee, director of Canadian Hindu Advocacy, told the Globe and Mail.

The Muslim Canadian Congress has asked for the services to be halted or closely monitored to avert the spread of radicalism.
 

monica r. (41)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 10:44 am
Also, I forgot to point out that your muslim students DO NOT need to pray during school. It is acceptable to make up the prayers after school. I get this from a very devout muslim co-worker, she said they can make it up after school or work. Although now that I think about it, she IS a woman, and what does a woman know??? The prophet likened women to domestic animals, after all. And called them stupid and deficient in religion. Okay, maybe I should see what her husband says.
 

Terry King (108)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 10:47 am
Not true Rob & Jay... Teaching and or promoting religious dogma of any sort in our public schools or government is unacceptable. Islamic religion is equally repugnant to Christianity in my opinion.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 11:46 am
More anti-Christian bias, what a surprise. Some people live to post these....
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 2:01 pm
Magyar Girl, you say 'some people live to post these...'
More to the point, it appears that some bible thumping morons refuse to accept the separation of church and state. Are you one of them?

Robby Jay, you said, ‘ And here's what the Islamic Center of Murfreesbro, TN has demanded of the local school board:', then proceed to babble on and on about Muslims, with a whole laundry list of demands, yet neglect to say whether any of those ‘demands’ were ever met?
Don’t you find it ironic that bigots are usually the ones that bring up the bigot possibility?

Monica, are you condoning the religious right’s taking indoctrination into the public schools? You seem to be trying to justify that notion with your anti-Muslim rant?
 

Surunatik WTF (38)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 2:05 pm
Magyar Girl, you just aren't getting the point. We don't care which or what religion it is, we don't want ANY of them in our public school system, or sneaking in as after school programs. It's as simple as that, as Terry stated quite clearly.
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 2:09 pm
What struck me were the words, "...other types of Christians are not actually Christian." So, I guess this will be divisive with the Republicans and their Mormon candidate, Willard. I had to laugh because they're "shooting themselves in the foot" here. What's not funny is their insidious pervasiveness. Seems like the best alternative is for those schools who have these "clubs," ---other clubs, like an after school Science & Nature Club, should be initiated. Just a thought.
 

Phyllis Baxter (40)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 4:25 pm
Poor kids being force fed ANY religion. That teacher who crushed the little boy's hope that his dead brother was in heaven (a consolation for his loss) is a child abuser of the worse kind and should be sacked. I know what I'd like to do to the b*^&th- sacking would be the least of her worries. Grrrr.
 

Lauren Berrizbeitia (68)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 5:37 pm
Scary! Keep religion out of school! Plenty of room for after school church stuff at church.
 

monica r. (41)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 5:55 pm
No MJ M,
I teach n public school. You are free to be any religion but don't be peddling it on school grounds, and I don't care what brand. I am a huge fan of separation of church and state. NO religion should be doing proselytizing at public schools. I was only pointing out how some religions don't just do it after school, they insist on it during school too. And that is NOT ok. You want religion in your school day? Go to St. Someone's or the local madrassah.

Also, I find it offensive that inclusion of females in prayer activities is dependent on whether they are menstruating. That is invasive of their right to privacy at a minimum.
 

Kit B. (277)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 6:07 pm

And...that Monica is the point of this article. Teach your children any religion or no religion at home. The task of the public school teacher is to teach a complete scope and sequence of each topic required for that year. We are not supposed to teach our opinions or feelings about god or bring in a bible with our
objectives of the day. I don't want to parent the students, I want to teach them. If the church wishes to pay for the use of a public school building after hours and parents wish to have that building used for religious purposes, then set up some guidelines for that and collect the fees.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 6:14 pm
We believe in a GOD - we have no religion - and feel that there is no need for this brainwashing of children in schools. Religion has proved to be a destructive force in many countries. Only the indigenous - mostly - have remained free and unimpaired by it.
 

Beth S. (321)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 6:26 pm
I see, it's okay that muslims are doing this all over the U.S., taking dawah (proselytizing into the schools, bringing in islamic hair coverings for boys and girls, holding the qur'an, etc.), and it's nothing to get riled about to the poster of this piece. But if CHRISTIANS do it, whoa watch out!

Interesting that none of the people here note the articles about the muslims doing the same thing.

Christianity at its worst in the past century is far, far less malignant than islam since its inception. Anyone who doesn't know that hasn't done their homework.
 

pam w. (191)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 6:56 pm
NO RELIGION OF ANY KIND IN PUBLICLY-FUNDED SCHOOLS!

PERIOD.

 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 6:57 pm
No Beth, you don't 'see' a damn thing. Who in your hell said it's okay for Muslim proselytizing in public schools? It would appear that your Islamaphobia has clouded your thinking.

I don’t know Kit. Your suggestion would seem to violate separation. Personally, I don’t think religious proselytizing of any sort should ever be allowed on public school grounds for any price or at any time. I tend to agree with David and Lauren. Keep these brainwashing hyper-religious morons off public school grounds all together. Take the after school church brainwashing to the tax-exempt church grounds.
 

Patricia N. (8)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 9:24 pm
Sometimes I wish some wonderful aliens would land on earth or come from another dimension, tell all the people of the world that they made us but they are not god or gods. Then they would tell us to be good to each other and to have compassion for everyone and all sentient beings until we die like everything else and there isn't any God watching one's every movement. Hopefully that would blast all religious ideas to smithereens(is that really a word and did I spell it right?). Until that time......complete separation of church and government (and that means schools too) To me those radical christians and muslims are cults and shouldn't be allowed near children along with any other radical religions.
 

Surunatik WTF (38)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 10:18 pm
And the conversation shifts, what fun. I think truth and beauty spread through example, do they really need to be organized? We know that the problems arise when simple faith and belief is corrupted by the Church Corporations Network. Could there be an agenda? hmm?

 

Carol Dreeszen (364)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 11:45 pm
Look at the killings, the immoral actions going on today, kids bringing guns to school, philandering and the list just keeps going on and on and on...no heaven forbid we have anything in our lives that could guide us to do better! It's better to make it a free for all so no one can feel guilty about anything they want to do or do! No guilt goes so much further and makes people out to be such better people..correct!? Urrgghhhhhhhhhhhh....
 

Penelope P. (222)
Sunday June 24, 2012, 11:45 pm
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The forces behind the “Good News Club” are Christian nationalist or dominionist in nature, believing that the United States should be a Christian nation, run by Christians, including the government. Some of the organizations behind the spread of “Good News Clubs” include the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), the Liberty Counsel, the Council for National Policy, and the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), among others. They have up to $100 million in their war chest to ensure that they can infiltrate public schools with impunity. These same organizations fund actions that work to insert Christianity into virtually every realm of public life. While working to penetrate school systems, these Christian nationalist groups are also working overtime to undermine public schools as a whole, readily admitting that their goal is to “sink the ship.” Claiming that public schools are an affront to Christianity, these groups encourage fundamentalist Christians to get elected to school boards where they can make decisions that actively harm public schools. Where the clubs have come into school districts, they have frequently been the source of major conflict among parents, taking a previously inclusive, harmonious environment to a hostile, divisive one.
 

Antonia Windham (6)
Monday June 25, 2012, 12:19 am
Carol Dreeszen, the issue's about whether or not this crosses the line between church and state. Many of us think it does. Parents're always free to indoctrinate their children in the religion of their choice. Public schools aren't.

And public schools not being involved in religion doesn't mean we've a 'free for all'. In fact most of us who've no religion don't live our lives that way. Ethical standards can and do exist whether religion's present or not.
 

Stan B. (124)
Monday June 25, 2012, 2:13 am
No teacher in any public school should try to indoctrinate children about religion or politics. End of story.
Teachers who try to do this should be fired on the spot.
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Monday June 25, 2012, 5:20 am
We have a strict separation of state and church, which is great in America. People have right to practice their own religion and beliefs as long as they do not infringe on the rights of others and US Constitution.

I am not so much concerned with religion RIGHT, but with the religious WRONG, promoted by Barak Hussein Obama and CAIR and other Islamists who are white washing Islam and a "religion of pece" which is as far from truth as possible.

Islam is a supremacist ideology similar to Nazi supremacist ideology, with its delusional Jew hatred and in addition promotes pedophilia, polygamy, misogyny, apartheid and murder for Allahu Akbar. Islam MUST REFORM to makie it compatible with US Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
 

Beverly M. (85)
Monday June 25, 2012, 7:13 am
Good grief, just what we need on top of everything else going on, a Westboro society where hate and bigotry are part of school agenda.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Monday June 25, 2012, 8:03 am
Sorry I am coming to this threa late but this is an excellent article Kit.

"they endorse the Bible as a literal and infallible word of God, teach that conversion to their own version of Christianity is the only path to salvation, while other types of Christians are not actually Christian, and they heavily emphasize the role of Satan in everyday life."

Can't imagine anything more horrific to do to a child. Except what is below.

"A Catholic boy had a brother die, and he told a leader at a club that his brother was an angel in heaven. This women stated, “I had to tell him that no, his brother was not an angel in heaven…I could see the look in this boy’s eyes. He was just devastated.” This was because he wasn’t “saved."

Separation of Church and State! Get them out of Public Schools.
 

Kit B. (277)
Monday June 25, 2012, 9:24 am

I thought it was a great article in the long form, where there was far more detail, but knew that not many would read the long form. Most read the title and then lose it because any one would dare imply that religion is a private matter and not some thing to be taught in publicly funded schools.

I agree, MJ M just tossed that last bit out there to see if anyone was reading, I had a side bet that it would be you.

Public buildings are built with public funds, churches are built with the funds of the membership. Build all the churches you want, send your children to those schools, and pay for it while allowing the freedom for others to have an education that does not teach any form of religion...NO religion in a public school. This in no way, interferes with, prevents or states that parents do not have a right to teach their children their own perception of god, and whatever religious dogma that is chosen by that family. Get a grip folks, this is not a condemnation of your beliefs, it actually allows for full respect of your rights and others to have the same rights.

Good grief, Charlie Brown! Does everything about religion have to be "my way or the highway?"
 

Kit B. (277)
Monday June 25, 2012, 9:31 am

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


First amendment: an overview

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. See U.S. Const. amend. I. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, and the implied rights of association and belief. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments. See U.S. Const. amend. XIV.

Two clauses in the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. The establishment clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. It enforces the "separation of church and state." Some governmental activity related to religion has been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. For example, providing bus transportation for parochial school students and the enforcement of "blue laws" is not prohibited. The free exercise clause prohibits the government, in most instances, from interfering with a person's practice of their religion.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/First_amendment
 

Kit B. (277)
Monday June 25, 2012, 9:52 am

Which god? Baha'i, Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, Wicca and some other Neopagan religions, Zoroastrianism, and Druidism, and there are many others. All are wrong any only one group of Christians are correct?

Live a good life, be kind to others, accept their differences and do not attempt to judge others. In every religious group there are some with a criminal bent, do not attempt to the judge the whole by few, and please do not pretend that any of us have all the answers, none of us do.

Each of us finds a path to walk through this life, that path will be what each finds of greatest comfort or fits their own logic and reasoning. I can not say that should anyone not follow my path of reasoning, their life will not be fulfilled, no one can say that. The assumption is based on belief, and that is a choice. A deeply personal and private choice, it can not be forced, and should not be threatened.

Just keep it out of public buildings, those are paid for by everyone not the select few. Even for many private religious schools, the dogma of the religion is a choice not a requirement.
 

Kit B. (277)
Monday June 25, 2012, 9:54 am

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


First amendment: an overview

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. See U.S. Const. amend. I. Freedom of expression consists of the rights to freedom of speech, press, assembly and to petition the government for a redress of grievances, and the implied rights of association and belief. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted, the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments. See U.S. Const. amend. XIV.

Two clauses in the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. The establishment clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. It enforces the "separation of church and state." Some governmental activity related to religion has been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. For example, providing bus transportation for parochial school students and the enforcement of "blue laws" is not prohibited. The free exercise clause prohibits the government, in most instances, from interfering with a person's practice of their religion.

 

Kit B. (277)
Monday June 25, 2012, 9:58 am

Oh great 20 minutes later the above finally shows up here. Well maybe it should be posted twice, at the least.

Freedom of religion: a choice, private individual choice.
 

Kit B. (277)
Monday June 25, 2012, 10:06 am

Now guns in schools is because of lack of religion? That must be meant as a joke. Texas is about the wackiest, most religious state in the union and passed a law that teachers and students must carry guns. The flawed logic is that should a crazy walk-in with a gun, the entire class with shoot down the lone nut job.

Just shows how stupid, and unreasonable over reaction can be, the student that takes a gun to a class room, or the teacher or any employee that does so has a mental problem, not a religious problem. Even trained police do not always react by pulling their gun in a threatening situation. The Great State of Texas thinks that the average student or teacher will respond in kind? A law that is perfect for those on the edge of insanity will have a right to wander around armed.
 

Scarlett P. (126)
Monday June 25, 2012, 12:59 pm
Contrary to what you have heard kit or what you think you might know, there is only One God.. Our Creator... There is none other...

Our schools and our country and the world is in chaos because of the removal of God and His Word..
 

Nancy M. (201)
Monday June 25, 2012, 1:18 pm
Whether or not there is One God and who he/she is are not relevant to a public school curriculum. If parents wish that education for their kids, they can pay for religious school. There are many around be it five days a week or on a holy day or other.

 

Kit B. (277)
Monday June 25, 2012, 1:19 pm

Gee Scarlett, you want your god to be recognized and your thoughts on this accepted, why not just let others believe in their god? How could that possibly cause you harm? Your beliefs cause me no harm, and I accept that you have a right to believe as you need. What of: Baha'i, Buddhism, Catholic Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism, Wicca and some other Neopagan religions, Zoroastrianism, and Druidism...do they not have a right to believe as they need? Most are much older then evangelic Christianity.

What think I might know? Do you know me personally or what I have studied? Nope, you are making assumptions about me. Is that really what Jesus would do?
 

Roseann D. (178)
Monday June 25, 2012, 2:10 pm
From what I've heard of the Christian right-extremists lately, they sound like they have a lot in common with Islam-extremists...maybe they'll merge into one belief system after all.
 

monka blanke (74)
Monday June 25, 2012, 2:22 pm
Nobody's God should be in school, it must remain a private matter. It's bad enough that politics are influenced, like "In God We Trust" -
 

Christopher Fowler (84)
Monday June 25, 2012, 2:42 pm
Everything that I hear, see and read about this group screams "CULT", loud and clear.

They target the most impressionable and vulnerable, they go to the extremes of actually placing their "volunteers" in the classroom to oversee their potential recruits and to monitor their existing child recruits.

It is evil incarnate and there is no question about that.

As a Wiccan Priest, I can say, with certainty, that no legitimate path of ours would recruit children out of the schools. My path doesn't even accept anyone that is not an adult and a mature individual. I find the actions of this cult to be an offense against the rights of ALL parents to raise their children in the manner that they see fit, not in the manner that this cult see's fit.

Monka Blanke has it right; Nobody's god should be in our public schools. We are in a secular nation, not a Christian one.
Schools need to send this cult packing with their tails between their legs.
 

Michael T. (82)
Monday June 25, 2012, 3:40 pm
@Rob and Jay writes It's interesting how Kit can publish this article about this outrageous action by these loonies and get lots of praise for defending freedom, but if this had been about Muslims doing the same thing no one would touch it, and if they did they would be condemned for being a bigot. So twisted.

You Rob and or Jay are a looney toon for making this about Kit.
 

Michael T. (82)
Monday June 25, 2012, 3:43 pm
@Scarlet writes Contrary to what you have heard kit or what you think you might know, there is only One God.. Our Creator... There is none other...

Our schools and our country and the world is in chaos because of the removal of God and His Word..

Scarlet you are a looney toon of unprececdented proportions. Your imaginary friend in all its guises IS why the world is in chaos, and why the world has been chaotic for thousands of year.
 

Michael T. (82)
Monday June 25, 2012, 3:44 pm
I'd like to give us something to remind us about the formation of this nation.

5 Reasons America Is Not -- And Has Never Been -- a Christian Nation

The myth that America is a "Christian nation" is not only untrue, but promotes the pernicious idea that non-Christians are second-class citizens.

http://www.alternet.org/belief/155985/5_reasons_america_is_not_--_and_has_never_been_--_a_christian_nation?page=entire
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 25, 2012, 4:17 pm

5 Reasons America Is Not -- And Has Never Been -- a Christian Nation

The myth that America is a "Christian nation" is not only untrue, but promotes the pernicious idea that non-Christians are second-class citizens.


Carol Dreeszen, this I why I have neither the patience nor the stomach for the likes of you and Scarlett P Ray-gun. Not only are you both thoroughly full of crap, you’re a danger and a threat to our nation’s children, and that makes you worse than vile.

Vatican: Priests Have Been Raping Nuns to Avoid Hookers with HIV
 

Kit B. (277)
Monday June 25, 2012, 4:35 pm

Hey Michael and MJ M, only those who feel deeply uncertain, or insecure have the need to constantly promote their faith above all others.

I have a hunch that priests have been up to no good for many years, not a few decades but nearly since the beginning of the Catholic church as an entity. That would since just after the first council of Nicea in about 324 BCE. Give people too much power and they will most certainly abuse the power.

The second class people in America are and have been first any one of color, and in most recent years; any one not of the extremely right wing evangelic group of Christianity.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 25, 2012, 4:40 pm
Patriarchy’s Role in Shielding Pedophile Priests

A Twenty-Five Year Study On The Vaticans Knowledge of Pedophile Priests! Over The Course of 2000 Plus years!
 

Michael T. (82)
Monday June 25, 2012, 7:27 pm
@Kit writes The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference.

I think somehow that we should be making it clear, Loud and Clear to the moderates and fundamentalists that The American Constitution also protects the right to freedom of democracy and freedom of expression from christian and any other deist organization, that believes in a personal relationship with an imaginary friend, and their interference,
 

Carol Dreeszen (364)
Monday June 25, 2012, 10:58 pm
Quote
The forces behind the “Good News Club” are Christian nationalist or dominionist in nature, believing that the United States should be a Christian nation, run by Christians, including the government. Some of the organizations behind the spread of “Good News Clubs” include the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), the Liberty Counsel, the Council for National Policy, and the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), among others. They have up to $100 million in their war chest to ensure that they can infiltrate public schools with impunity. These same organizations fund actions that work to insert Christianity into virtually every realm of public life. While working to penetrate school systems, these Christian nationalist groups are also working overtime to undermine public schools as a whole, readily admitting that their goal is to “sink the ship.” Claiming that public schools are an affront to Christianity, these groups encourage fundamentalist Christians to get elected to school boards where they can make decisions that actively harm public schools. Where the clubs have come into school districts, they have frequently been the source of major conflict among parents, taking a previously inclusive, harmonious environment to a hostile, divisive one.

On this article above here it is a complete and utter total lie!!! These organizations are there to help fight for the same right that people who are attacked for their religious beliefs have just as those who do not believe in any religion or want to have anything to do with religion. Why is it OK for those who do not believe to have the ACLU standing up for them and yet these organizations...which I support by the way..when they do the same thing to support religious believing people then they are the horrible people!! You can't have it just one way..it don't work like that!! And these organization are there working over time to undermine public schools as a whole!?!? What a crock of BS!! That is a down right lie that comes out of apparently some liberal propaganda organization....nothing but pure lies!!! Unfortunately those who don't want God or religion in their lives will never know the joy it can bring to a person!!
 

Carol Dreeszen (364)
Monday June 25, 2012, 11:01 pm
MJM..And I might say you are one pathetic hateful person! That is what happens to some people who don't believe in God or faith....I have seen enough of them in my life to have seen the difference! You are a danger to yourself!! But by all means keep on not believing!!
 

Carol Dreeszen (364)
Monday June 25, 2012, 11:09 pm
Just as I suspected...a liberal site! What else could one expect!? LOL
 

Carol Dreeszen (364)
Monday June 25, 2012, 11:12 pm
Beth..liberals for the most part don't note anyone else's stories except those of their own kind! Another thing I have seen lost from many of them...common courtesy appears to not exist with them.
 

Carol Dreeszen (364)
Monday June 25, 2012, 11:13 pm
Also..I don't note lies!
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Tuesday June 26, 2012, 1:28 am
Separation of church and state should be implemented across the boards.
Then you have Carol D. who is a Christian fundie and loves her Jesus and God and hates Allah and Islam (how do you feel about all the many gods of Hinduism and all the spirits in rocks and trees in native american beliefs, etc?).
Fundies or religious extremists of ANY religion exist.
You also have fanatical Anti-'(fill-in-the-blank-religion) hate-mongers. T
hen you have paranoids, conspiracy theorists, chaos merchants, fear-mongers, and people who love to say how bad their fellow man is (which doesn't include themselves of course). Possibly the ones who scream and yell the most about how bad their fellow man is have the most and biggest crimes against their fellows of all. It's long been known that a person ragging on and on in continuous hypercriticism about someone is indicative of their own guilt. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" Shakespeare .It means one can insist so passionately about something not being true that people suspect the opposite of what the person is saying is true.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 26, 2012, 5:58 am
“But by all means keep on not believing!!”, Carol?

Thanks, don’t mind if I do. Or would that be don’t mind if I don’t?

A dear friend sent me this video and I couldn’t help but think of you, Carol Dreeszen.

The arrogance of being thick as a brick
 

Nancy M. (201)
Tuesday June 26, 2012, 6:14 am
Great comment Kenneth.

I don't understand why ensuring the rights of all Americans, be they Jewish or Muslim or Gay or Italian or Bahai (sp?) is perceieved by so many fundamentalists to be taking away from their own rights. Seems very un-Christian-like to me. At least according to the church in which I was raised.

And I have never had anyone other than a "fundeie try to convert me. How about this- get out of my face and my schools and leave me alone to pursue my own religion in my own way.

And cut out the hateful crap against all those groups above.
 

Kit B. (277)
Tuesday June 26, 2012, 9:30 am

Now that comment from Carol D, really made me laugh. I really don't think she sees the dichotomy within her own comments.

'Love my god and hate all others, particularly people that do not think, believe and behave as I do.' That about sums it up. Think I will take a pass on that.

It seems that many others may take a pass on that as well.
 

Michael T. (82)
Tuesday June 26, 2012, 11:42 am
@Carol Deeszen writes On this article above here it is a complete and utter total lie!!! AND That is a down right lie that comes out of apparently some liberal propaganda organization....nothing but pure lies!!!
Careful Carol Dreeszen, the DSM Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders has a diagnosis made just for you. It appears you are being delusional and your denial of this reality would place you at risk of being diagnosed under the DSM IV as suffering from a Religious and Spiritual Disorder.

@Carol Deeszen writes Just as I suspected...a liberal site!
LOL Carol Dreeszen!!! Considering you joined Care2 in 2008 I guess that gives us some kind of idea how sharp your mental faculties are if you are only now figuring that out. As Bugs Bunny says “What a maroon.”
@Carol Deeszen writes liberals for the most part don't note anyone else's stories except those of their own kind!
I find it absolutely humorous that it has been our collective experience that moderate, fundamental and radical religious people such as yourself are the ones who have been using this kind of behavior for eons. Do you always accuse your enemies of suffering from your own flaws?
 

Kit B. (277)
Tuesday June 26, 2012, 1:43 pm

If Carol D had bothered to read the article before her rant, she might have discovered that alternet is but one of many sites sharing this information, that many Main Stream Church groups are solidly against this pervasive and intrusive method of indoctrination of children.

THE GOOD NEWS CLUB by Katherine Stewart(reviewed on January 1, 2012)Investigation of Christian fundamentalist groups introducing religious doctrine into public schools across the United States.

Freelance journalist and novelist Stewart (Class Mothers, 2006, etc.) became aware of the fundamentalist campaign when it entered her daughter's elementary school in California, and later, the school district in their new home in New York City. Stewart not only interviewed school officials, classroom teachers, constitutional-law experts and students, but she also attended training sessions sponsored by Christian fundamentalists. Despite what she assumed was an inviolable separation between church and state, Stewart discovered that the U.S. Supreme Court, led by justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, has been interpreting the Constitution to mandate taxpayer-financed public schools to open their buildings to evangelical missionaries.
***

If I comment on an article I read it, then note it and leave my thoughts. Otherwise, I'm just being a troll. Why would I care to leave comments on an article I have read and completely dislike or am offended by the contents? Sounds a wee bit like using gasoline to put out a fire.
 

Brian M. (145)
Tuesday June 26, 2012, 2:33 pm
There is something truly ignorant about anyone who thinks that in order to teach children ethical behavior that we must also indoctrinate them to believe in mythical, magical beings such as god.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Tuesday June 26, 2012, 4:03 pm
I was about the say a similar thing Brian. All societies have some moral code in order to function. Most societies have very similar basic moral codes. I have absolutely no problem with teaching school children that it is wrong to steal, lie, do bodily harm to others (and animals), etc. that is NOT the issue.

To say that Christians are the ONLY moral people is wrong and to say that "Fundies" are the ONLY Christians is even worse. It sounds like that is what is going on. It is wrong and it does not belong in our public school.
 

Kit B. (277)
Tuesday June 26, 2012, 5:51 pm

Sure we need a code of laws, those existed long before Christianity. We could look at the Code of Hammurabi, or ancient codes of law. Based each on how to live with each other in a society. We don't need law and religion blending into one, though a look at an American courtroom just might give one pause, the black robes, the elevated judge, the marble walls. Our founding fathers were very definitive on keeping religion a private right, and Jefferson was firm on building a Wall of Separation between church and state. Schools and courtrooms are the duty of the state, that is until it all gets privatized.
 

bob m. (32)
Tuesday June 26, 2012, 9:31 pm


UM....can we still take cooking class ... in dawa land?... and if we have a jewish cookbook.. is it ok?.... an if we have a recipe called .. "forleg of lamb".. is it OK? an will you tell why not if it isnt?
not to worry.. what goes around.. ...
 

Janelle Wong (71)
Wednesday June 27, 2012, 6:33 am
Magyar Girl writes "More anti-Christian bias, what a surprise. Some people live to post these...."

Yes religion does seem to weigh heavily on some minds. Perhaps they sense a void in their thinking and are actually seeking the truth.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Wednesday June 27, 2012, 7:13 am
Yes Janelle, religion can weigh heavily on some minds. That's why we allow freedom of religion in this country. They can go to the church, temple, mosque of other of their choice. They can read whatever Holy Book they see fit. They can pray in their private lives. They can even pray silently in a public school.

Yet- they have no right to teach their own religion in that public school.
 

Janelle Wong (71)
Wednesday June 27, 2012, 7:40 am
Yes I agree Nancy. Just making an observation as to why religion seems to be a favorite posting topic for some and wondering why that is.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 27, 2012, 8:03 am
It’s frightening to see how many damn fools there are that have no concept of the importance of the separation of church and State, it being one of the cornerstones in the foundation of this country.
That’s my ‘observation’ Janelle.
 

Kit B. (277)
Wednesday June 27, 2012, 8:24 am

When religion invades the politics and public schools of this country, then it needs to be discussed, of course if one is offended or confused, they can always leave.
 

Kit B. (277)
Wednesday June 27, 2012, 8:39 am

Posting an article that is actual fact, is sharing the truth, but than one would have to actually read the article to know the difference. Our schools are supported by tax dollars, whether those taxes are from property taxes or state income tax, and some block grants from the Federal government, it is a collective pool of tax dollars. The law of the land has worked well by keeping public - tax supported entities separated from religious organization for a couple of hundred years. This phony back door into public schools in nothing but an attempt at indoctrination of receptive young minds. Use the church building for this insidious deed, leave public schools for teaching basic facts, that will educate the young, not confuse them supposed various "themes" on science.
 

Michael T. (82)
Wednesday June 27, 2012, 8:39 am
Well, Miz wRong since you can't comprehend what is in the news frequently about the intrusiveness on the part of religion I can see why you might be moved to pose such a question. On Care2 there are numerous articles about the economy and on the intrusiveness of religion. I participate on most if not all of them. However, I only find you Miz wRong, which is one of your aliases, attacking Kit for posting such articles.

So this isn't so much an issue about the article itself, you are stalking this individual. I have been observing your behavior over the course of several months now.

Why don't you find something better to do with your time?
 

Michael T. (82)
Wednesday June 27, 2012, 9:11 am
Nancy are you familiar with Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins? I'd be willing to share some videos with you about how even moderate religions are becoming dangerous in infringing on the separation of church and state.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Wednesday July 11, 2012, 2:08 am
The Heart of this article is this:
'The goal of making their brand of Christianity dominate the public sphere isn’t limited to public schools. The forces behind the “Good News Club” are Christian nationalist or dominionist in nature, believing that the United States should be a Christian nation, run by Christians, including the government.... They have up to $100 million in their war chest to ensure that they can infiltrate public schools with impunity. These same organizations fund actions that work to insert Christianity into virtually every realm of public life. While working to penetrate school systems, these Christian nationalist groups are also working overtime to undermine public schools as a whole, readily admitting that their goal is to “sink the ship.” Claiming that public schools are an affront to Christianity, these groups encourage fundamentalist Christians to get elected to school boards where they can make decisions that actively harm public schools....'
[They are also VERY active, by the way, in the U.S. Military -- also, of course, quite Un-Constitutional, and harmful to the soldiers. They get the Dominionist Officers to virtually coerce the soldiers....]

To see how this all plays out, what the GOAL of the Dominionists would look like if finally achieved, be sure to read "The Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood. Was a PROPHETIC book, written several decades ago!

This is not merely a matter of private beliefs, or even of schoolchildren, or even of military personnel....
The DOMINIONISTS pose a REAL DANGER TO OUR REPUBLIC AND OUR DEMOCRATIC VALUES.
American most certainly was NOT a "Christian Nation"; but the DOMINIONISTS most certainly want to MAKE it one; one with NO TOLERANCE for anything outside of Dominionists' narrow boundaries.

Authoritarian Communism or Fascism couldn't be any WORSE!
[And, at bottom line, they would RUN THE COUNTRY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE WEALTHY 1%, the rest of us would be just reduced to SERFS, presumably happy with our "pie in the sky when you die", like the medieval Serfs presumably were......]
 
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