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**PLEASE SIGN** Request By Care2.Com Members to Enforce Removal of SPAM


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Kit
- 775 days ago - change.org
The petition is a polite though firm request that Care2 take action to remove and block SPAM. As you can see in the body of the petition, SPAM is illegal. These people are committing a criminal act by counterfeiting others goods.



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Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 2:19 pm
Signed, thanks Kit, and Ben for forwarding earlier.
 

Angela N. (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 2:24 pm
thanks
 

. (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 2:31 pm
I am not sure quite what is involved in removing Spam, I have even less idea how Care2 would go about achieving this but I am surprised quite how much Spam appears on Care2, I report it every time I see it. As I am totally ignorant regarding what steps need to be carried out to address the problem I am not in a position to say whether or not Care2 does a good job; I guess that they have to employ someone to do this job and that detracts from the money that is available to fund the good causes (sorry the Spam removal person, I am not suggesting that you are not worth your salary). Having said that I believe that the purpose of this petition is to say that there are some people who find the Spam to be a nuisance and maybe Care2 (in whatever form) might just assure us that they are doing what they can - if there are problems then, maybe, by sharing it with the members we would be able to empathise. All in all I really enjoy Care2, it gets some things wrong but providing it continues to allow me to 'do my bit' (and to interact with a far wider group of people than I would ever get to do otherwise) then I will put up with the odd things that go wrong, this does not detract from the fact that I too would like to know that Care2 is doing everything it can to stop Spam. I note that Care2 accepts 'paid for' advertising, great, providing they pay I don't mind seeing it, but this is not the case for Spam which not only runs the risk of putting people off using the site but also means that some people are advertising for free!
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 2:58 pm

Although I dislike Change.org . . . I HATE spam!

(Forwarded and posted in groups.)

 

BarbCat SunshineLady (1644)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 3:02 pm
Already signed, #101 Thnx Kit!
 

Julie P. (55)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 3:04 pm
Already signed. Thank you for re-posting this, Kim.
 

Vicky P. (463)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 3:10 pm
noted, already signed when you sent :)
 

Maggie S. (40)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 3:28 pm
Thank you! This morning, there were 26 spam ads on the first page of Care2! I block it and it comes back! I am so tired of this garbage - these people put these ads on here that have nothing to do with Care2 news! They have not profiled, and, I am sure they are "outsourced" people who do this for TV companies, etc! I have asked Care2 to stop this myself. PLEASE CONTINUE TO CLICK AND REPORT THESE SPAM ADS! JUST KEEP MAKING THEM BECOME HIDDEN. If enough of us do this, maybe they will get the message if Care2 does not.
 

Cher C. (1464)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 3:29 pm


Thnx sweetie!!!


 

Surunatik WTF (38)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 4:00 pm
I signed this a couple of days ago. WTF? Why is this being allowed to persist. Care2, why aren't you taking 'Care' of your/our site? If you can't create something in the programming to recognize and delete this crap, put an employee on full time response, one for each shift, dedicated to removing this stuff. I just can't and won't believe that this is the best you, Care2, can do to solve this problem. It's out of freaking control!
 

Randy Paynter (945)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 4:10 pm
Care2 Response

Hi - No need to sign the petition - we are very well aware of the spam issues and can assure you we are doing everything in our power to stop the spammers.

The basic problem is that we allow members to post content on our site. That's great for everyone, except it also provides a mechanism for spammers to abuse the site. We are a particularly attractive target for them because we have such a strong reputation and so many members. The only way to block 100% of spam is to block member contributed content - which is not a good answer.

So what do we do to keep Care2 as spam free as possible? Lots of things, every day, including:

1) Technology: We have numerous systems in place to block spam and remove it quickly as well as to simply make it less valuable for spammers to spam our site. We also employ third-party specialists and filtering technologies to block the spam. There's no perfect way to do this - automated solutions are far from perfect and the more strict we get in blocking spam, the more likely we are to block legitimate posts from legitimate members.

To give you an idea for how big this challenge can be: We have triggers in certain areas that kick in when we think a spammer is trying to attack. One barrier that is triggered to prevent computerized attacks is CAPTCHA (those hard to read words you need to type in sometimes to prove you're human). We've seen spam attacks where literally thousands of posts are submitted within an hour or two - meaning that tens, if not hundreds, of individuals are actually creating posts and then manually typing in the CAPTCHAs. In other words, this is not some guy sitting at his computer spamming our site - it's literally a coordinated effort involving numerous individuals and computer-assisted systems.

There's a lot more we do on the technical front we don't want to talk about on these forums as we don't want to give clues to the spammers on how to beat our defenses, but suffice to say we have many other technical components we're not talking about.

2) Care2 Staff: We have engineers and support staff working every day to block and remove spam.

To complicate matters, because we are blocking so much of their spam, we're being repeatedly attacked by hackers in Russia, where they will literally try to flood our servers with requests to overload them and shut the site down. Our engineers have been thwarting these attacks at all hours of the night and day - but it's a big time sink and there's no simple technological solution.


3) Care2 Members: You are a big part of the solution! Your ability to spot spam, and then collectively report it, so we can use the "wisdom of the crowds" to remove bad posts is a very important part of the solution. There's literally no way our staff could review every post before it's posted on our site, so Care2 members are an important line of defense. The faster you all can flag it (which removes it when enough people flag it), the less interesting it is to the spammers to try to continue attacking our site.

If there is a silver lining to any of this, the spam is usually pretty easy for members to identify spam, and the presence of it is not going to damage your computer - it's mostly just a visual annoyance (a big one, yes). We ask that you please just report it, and our systems will soon automatically remove it, or it will be reviewed by one our staff and removed in time.

Bottom line, we'll never get rid of 100% of spam, but we are devoting significant resources to try to resolve this. It's extremely frustrating to us, we know it's frustrating to our members, and we'll continue to do all we can to thwart it. We're on it. Thank you for your help, and patience!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 4:39 pm
Randy, I have better things to do with my time than answering the endless question of 'Why is this inappropriate'.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 4:45 pm
Not only do I have to spend the endless hours of flagging and giving my reason, I have to clean all the crap out of my personal email when Care2 sends me the notifications of endless SPAMMER ADS! And the Care2 inbox as well. That has reached 1,000's of messages.
 

Surunatik WTF (38)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 5:12 pm
I have a solution. Create another "choice". We have "send green star" and "flag as inappropriate". Why not add "SPAM". And instead of having to explain WHY, you as a member are held accountable to flag only "SPAM" when hitting that choice. Once "SPAM" is activated, the item is gone. Try it!
 

Pat B. (354)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 5:30 pm
Signed! Thank you, Kit for this.
 

Surunatik WTF (38)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 5:39 pm
Yes, earlier I suggested dedicating a small crew of employees. I think we can ALL be SPAM monitors. If we flag as SPAM someones post, then we should be subject to suspension. We're able to delete messages from our inboxes, why not a direct delete function for SPAM? Care2 can dump and sort from the bowels of the computer basement. It could be, and should be simple.
 

Yvonne White (231)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 6:00 pm
Signed & forwarded!:)
 

Michela m. (3908)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 6:04 pm
S&N
 

Val R. (239)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 6:08 pm
Already signed.
 

John Doe (22)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 6:20 pm
Thanks for the fwd Kit - Signed #294
 

Rosemary Rannes (634)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 7:12 pm
Signed Kit, thanks to Naoko and friends for letting me know. NO SPAM ON CARE2 THANKX
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 7:13 pm
Randy saying that there's "No need to sign the petition" (since they already know there's a problem and are already doing what they can) is counter to what I thought Care2 was about.... expressing points of view for various causes, sometimes in petition form to have a greater impact. Obviously there is an ongoing spam situation that Care2 has not been able to resolve. Members have every right to voice their frustrations with a petition about the problems encountered daily. There have been some good suggestions made in comments above, why not look into doing them? It's evident that what has been done isn't working.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 7:33 pm
Qii Q., Sjo. D., Xiao B., Hop Sing, etc, etc., etc.

Randy, you mean to say that these names aren't an immediate tip off?
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 7:41 pm

Chu Xian, Shjen J., Kai S., Shan Q., Juin H., Hznah Hao., Xiao B., Sjo D., Shi S., Gan X.,

These are just from ONE THREAD!!

God Particle Is 'Found': Scientists at Cern Expected to Announce Higgs Boson Particle Has Been Discovered on Wednesday | Mail O
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 7:49 pm
 
Since I flag a LOT of spammers, one thing I've noticed (and you'd think Care2 would too) is how many of their names start with "Hh."
 
Check it out (17 pages).
 
No wonder we have 19,814,353 members!  LOL
 
 
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 7:52 pm
Please, this in no way is to disparage the Cartwright's cook and houseboy.

 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 7:55 pm
YEAH, what Carole said!
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 8:15 pm

Well, the same thing is true for any consonant in the alphabet where the first and second letters of the "member's" name are the same.

While it's true that some people use their initials, it's highly improbable that a member with the name "Ffgyyu N." is legit.

 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 8:17 pm
That's funny, Carole. And the "Hh" members are all notably and sadly friendless. Care2 really needs to look at reducing member accounts to legitimate members. As you have pointed out, the phony accounts are easy to spot. And we all know that the almost 20 million member number is rather inflated.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 8:24 pm
Has anyone else noticed that it seems to happen at roughly the same time every day?

Randy, does Care2 realize that fact? If so, it would seem that a solution is getting easier all the time. ?
 

Surunatik WTF (38)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 8:30 pm
I am amazed that more people haven't thought my idea to have a SPAM button isn't a good one. No comment at all. I know that some venting is in order and needed, but how about some problem solving? And, btw, the inflated member numbers help to pay for this place, just saying.
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 8:32 pm

Suggestion to Care2: STOP the spammers when they join!

Filter out and withhold privileges whenever a member has a suspicious and highly unlikely name; has not even attempted to complete their profile; and most recommended . . . make them verify/confirm their email address.

For years now, I have kept hearing the excuse from Care2 that they don't want to limit access to new members. WHY NOT? Most sites have restrictions on new members!

By allowing these questionable characters full run of the site (from groups, to C2NN, to the PetitionSite), you are hurting valuable members in their quests to do good work!

 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 8:33 pm
How about that, Randy, is Care2 going for that 20 BILLION member Chinese market?
 

John Doe (22)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 8:39 pm
Yes Runatik, the inclusion of a SPAM button is a very good idea. I hope Randy does too.
 

Surunatik WTF (38)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 8:41 pm
Helluva point Kit, how attractive would Care2 be if the truth was known? We're a much smaller family than represented.
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 8:49 pm

That's true, Runatik and Kit.

I understand that Care2, in order to attract advertisers, needs to demonstrate that they have a large member base . . . (and here's the but) . . . BUT, when contributing members start leaving the site because they're frustrated with the interference by spammers on their news articles, petitions, etc. -- and the site is left with nothing but spammers and inactive members -- how good do you think the reward per ad for paying advertisers will be???

 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 9:01 pm

In fairness, "de-activating"members, while retaining their profile in the site's database, is a common practice among most social sites.

I noticed this when I began to distrust Facebook; asked that they close my account; and was informed that they do NOT delete members. They would stop featuring my profile, and disable my personal messages . . . [another but here] . . . BUT, should I ever return and attempt to log in again, my profile would be re-activated.

With all of them following their competitors' leads, makes you wonder how many authentic active members are on ANY social site, huh?

But (yeah, another one), isn't taking the higher ground, through transparency and honesty, supposed to be what makes Care2 unique and trustworthy?

 

Surunatik WTF (38)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 9:25 pm
Beautiful Carole! Exactly! We have fancied for a long time that we had a community here that stood for transparency, honesty, sincerity and CARING. WTF happened? We've been here long enough we remember the good old days when that was the standard. Now? Things just aren't measuring up. When a story is posted it is besieged by those of opposing view. That is not conversation or exchange. Too many flood the comments with inane, 'just here for the butterflies', nothingness. I have more frequently just 'gone to site' and read the original story than to attempt offering a comment. It is met with emptiness all too often. It's just not as satisfying as it once was, and that sucks.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 9:40 pm
I've been flagging on the Higgs article since the first dog skin boots ad appeared, and it's still there today, 17 days later.

Randy, how many 'Flags' must a 'comment 'get before it's removed? I've had some of my 'comments' removed in only hours. How many flags before Care2 will act? 10? 20? 100??
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 9:46 pm

I SO UNDERSTAND your frustration, MJM!

While I feel that the faux news posted, ad nauseum, by spammers is irritating when I have to keep flagging it in order to find newsworthy posts in the "Newly Submitted" section . . .

Even more so, I find it BEYOND IRRITATING that these spammer can target popular stories -- many of them about life and death of humans and animals -- and post their illegitimate ads among the comments made by caring members.

THOSE COMMENTS take the longest to be removed . . . and yet, they are the MOST DISRUPTIVE.

Address this, Care2!

You want people to "care?"

Care about the members who are trying to promote change!



 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 9:50 pm
But Carole, I went to school with a guy named .Ffgyyu N. Oh, wait, he spelled it with an 'o'. Ffgyyo.
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 9:51 pm

[Chuckle]

 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 10:10 pm

This may be a little off-topic . . . BUT (and yet, another one) . . .

I have sometimes felt that, in order to develop empathy, Care2 employees should be required to post a highly controversial article (under a pseudonym), and personally experience the subtle (and not-so-subtle) attacks that posters face in C2NN.

I came to this conclusion after being, repeatedly, advised to "ignore" the person (which is hard to do when they travel in a pack and are, basically, taking control of the thread), and the final judgment as to what is acceptable or unacceptable is made based upon selective flags submitted from the pack.

The decision then rests with a person, who is already over-worked, and only viewing specifically flagged comments, without having any vested interest in the subject, or understanding the "bullying effect," or even reviewing ALL comments (thereby establishing context and responses to animosity).


 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 10:48 pm
That's a great idea Carole, but I don't think it bodes well with C2's laissez-faire attitude. Something tells me that they don't have a lot of interest in stopping this.

I'm reminded of the time I was commenting on some article about religion. After watching the bible thumpers just pummell the Freethinkers with an endless barrage of biblical scripture, I finally had to say, 'f**k the Buy-Bull!
Needless to say, I could have meant 'fork, fink or funk', but my comment was gone in minutes and I was banished to the cornfield for 2 weeks.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 19, 2012, 10:57 pm
What I'm saying is that someone at Care2 is seeing these ads and making the decision to leave them alone for some time. If my 'comment' can be removed in minutes, why can't Qiu H's?
 

Peace Monger (185)
Friday July 20, 2012, 12:39 am
A 'report spam' option would be better than having to flag as inappropriate. And while we're at it, an edit button would help too! We would be able to edit, or delete our own posts at will.

The other option might be to have members fill in as moderators. These members would be screened to assure fairness with no hidden agendas. The moderators could then remove spam as it appears.
Because there are many members from around the planet who I feel would fit this perfectly, Care2 would always be actively watched & spam removed as quickly as it appears.

Apart from the spam issue, I was taken back by Randy's statement "To complicate matters, because we are blocking so much of their spam, we're being repeatedly attacked by hackers in Russia, where they will literally try to flood our servers with requests to overload them and shut the site down. Our engineers have been thwarting these attacks at all hours of the night and day - but it's a big time sink and there's no simple technological solution."/
I can't for the life of me understand why anyone, Russians included, would want to shut C2 down. Don't they like warm fuzzy stories about animals? OK, maybe that's not the reason, but the news hackers are constantly working against C2 clicks with what members have reported concerning viruses, etc.
 

wolfNoFwdsPls a. (135)
Friday July 20, 2012, 12:44 am
YES. YES! YES !!!

care2 currently does NOT even remove spam-posts when the spammer's profile is deleted ! -- There is HUGE possibilities for improvement, some of it very_EASILY_implementable !
 

Danuta Watola (1196)
Friday July 20, 2012, 1:07 am
done
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 20, 2012, 1:11 am
noted + signed
 

Robert O. (12)
Friday July 20, 2012, 1:14 am
Thanks Kit. I've noticed more spam here than usual lately and believe I've come down with a new illness as a result: spam flagging fatigue. It seems as soon as I've flagged one occurrence of it, lo and behold there's more of it staring at me on another article and it's all too common to have multiple occurrences of spam on one thread. I just hope Care2 doesn't entertain the notion of having us enter CAPTCHAs before we can post anything. Some websites use CAPTCHAs that are so hard to read, I feel as though I'm trying to decipher hieroglyphics or decoding a language from a lost civilization. ;)
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Friday July 20, 2012, 1:50 am
I wonder, can't certain WORDS like 'price' 'buy' 'selling' 'sneakers' etc. be blocked in the same way swear words are? How can a spammer sell items if those very words are blocked or appear as *!$%^&!. Obviously it would take some close discernment to decide which exact words should be blocked, but it might be a possibility.
 

Susan D. (0)
Friday July 20, 2012, 2:00 am
Yes, im in. I sign up just now, thanks
 

Gloria picchetti (287)
Friday July 20, 2012, 2:03 am
Signed.
 

Cal Mendelsohn (986)
Friday July 20, 2012, 2:21 am
I like Kenneth L's suggestion on blocking certain words. Thanks for posting this Kit!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 20, 2012, 2:24 am
Kenneth, I was thinking just that.

And then, of course,

the ads are placed in spaced lines,

that can be identified,

from across the room!

It use to be you couldn't

type the word shit and get your

comment published. The technology does exist,

just not the will to implement it.
 

Anita B. (68)
Friday July 20, 2012, 2:34 am
This doesn't just apply to C2, BUT THROUGHOUT THE INTERNET; with two sites mainly in mine, who think they own the INTERNET!
 

Arild Warud (163)
Friday July 20, 2012, 2:36 am
Signed,thanks Kit and the rest of you with all your creative and hilarious comments.
 

Irene M. (69)
Friday July 20, 2012, 2:45 am
Signed. Thank you for signing the petition "Request by Care2.com members to enforce removal of SPAM."
Thank you Kit.
 

Bill C. (98)
Friday July 20, 2012, 3:02 am
Why not post the petition on the care2 petition site?
 

John Doe (22)
Friday July 20, 2012, 3:04 am
Thanks Kit and all for asking Care2 to remove spam from their/our site... I must 'stop tracking' now, my hard drive is becoming full of YOUR spam! :}
 

Kerrie G. (135)
Friday July 20, 2012, 3:46 am
Noted, thanks.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 20, 2012, 4:05 am
It use to be you couldn't type the word ‘shit’ and get your comment published. Now it’s actually being sold to us, in every Care2 thread, all the way from China.
 

Ben Oscarsito (335)
Friday July 20, 2012, 4:22 am
Thanks Kit, and thanks Carole, You said it! In fact I'm sick and tired to waste time with this crap. And as for the "19,8 million members doing good"; -You can read all about it in my book "A fart in Universe"...
Just imagine if we actually were ONE MILLION members...WOW, what a difference we could make!
 

Ben Oscarsito (335)
Friday July 20, 2012, 4:34 am
...I take this opportunity to introduce some very interesting "Members" named "Fdfd F", "Fddfd", etcetera:
http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/search.html?name=fdfd
 

Ben Oscarsito (335)
Friday July 20, 2012, 4:38 am
...And some "Members" named "Ghgh", "Ghghgh", etcetera:
http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/search.html?advanced_form=0&name=ghgh&x=18&y=7
 

Ben Oscarsito (335)
Friday July 20, 2012, 4:44 am
...And, finally a couple of thousand "ghosts", all named Larry:
http://www.care2.com/c2c/people/search.html?name=larry&page=217
 

Terry V. (30)
Friday July 20, 2012, 5:09 am
SIGNED and NOTED

There are NO vaccines against STUPIDITY
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 20, 2012, 5:20 am
Signed, I'm tired of those spammers...
 

Teresa W. (682)
Friday July 20, 2012, 5:23 am
noted and signed
 

Jason Green (228)
Friday July 20, 2012, 5:26 am
thank you Kit!
 

Barbara K. (85)
Friday July 20, 2012, 5:48 am
Thank you, my friend, for bringing this up. Randy, I truly understand the daunting task and hope that you can solve the problems soon. Some good suggestions here may make the issue easier to resolve. Hope some can be easily implemented.
 

Joy Wong (76)
Friday July 20, 2012, 5:49 am
Noted and signed
 

Brittany D. (28)
Friday July 20, 2012, 7:12 am
I signed.

Guess what? There's spam right above me. grrr,
 

Just Carole (338)
Friday July 20, 2012, 7:14 am

Ohhhhhh, lawdy! Speak of the devil . . . [shaking head]

Flag the spammer!

 

Lisa Neste (696)
Friday July 20, 2012, 7:15 am
Flagged gladly & I have previously signed, thanks Kit!
 

Just Carole (338)
Friday July 20, 2012, 7:46 am

I stand by my original suggestion that these opportunists be stopped when they join, BEFORE they do damage. (Instead of having members report them after the fact, and then having C2 Support track them down.)

For heaven's sake, if you notice that vandals are increasingly entering your home and disrespecting it -- LOCK THE FRONT DOOR!

 

Naoko I. (262)
Friday July 20, 2012, 7:58 am
Can't agree with you more Just *C* - becoming a (true) member of Care2 can be a bit more time and energy consuming. Needs to fill in more information. Personally I'd like any member to state at least one "cause". And how about a new member need to wait certain period (a week or so, maybe?) to post or comment? (can vote on news or click to donate) Or requir some clicking to donate to be able to start submitting??
 

Farah Hage Ali (158)
Friday July 20, 2012, 8:11 am
noted and signed, thank you
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 20, 2012, 8:42 am
Have reported the spam, as I'm sure others here have.... Will see how long it takes to remove. Will not hold my breath! I like Carole's ideas about filtering new members accounts, verifying email, etc. I think that members should not be allowed to hide their profiles either. It should also be mandatory to have more fields filled in on the profile. Also perhaps a 24 hour wait period for newbies to post comments. Hate to get restrictive but I dislike spammers even more. And while suggestions are being tossed around..... How about actually fixing the message service. I keep deleting old mail and it shows up again. The 'noting' is erratic too. These used to work quite well at one time but I think the system and staff are so overwhelmed with the "millions" of members that even the simplest of functions have been negatively affected. Care2, please delete nonfunctional accounts.
 

Sue H. (7)
Friday July 20, 2012, 8:58 am
#395... it's quite disturbing that we have to keep begging for a solution.
 

Louise D. (38)
Friday July 20, 2012, 8:59 am
I usually do flag the spammers, why they go on the site is a complete mystery in the first place.
 

CareTwo Support (426)
Friday July 20, 2012, 9:00 am
Thanks everyone... I see the above comment, but hang in there as I am using it and the account that the poster is coming from as an example while we test out a new delete tactic. Thanks for the feedback and it will be removed shortly!!
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Friday July 20, 2012, 9:43 am
To add my 2 cents worth -- these ads, as most of you know, are for ILLEGAL COUNTERFEIT GOODS, made in factories in China, where workers' conditions are no doubt deplorable, for them to be able to sell the stuff SO CHEAP.
It is a CRIME IN INTERNATIONAL LAW, for such goods to essentially STEAL the real brand-names of Prada, Gucci, Nike, Ugg, Air Jordan, and all the rest. According to International Law, also U.S. Law, if a Law Enforcement officer anywhere, in any country, were to encounter such goods, the officer could legally CONFISCATE THEM ALL.
THAT IS WHY THEY ADVERTISE HERE ON CARE2!!!!!
Because the goods are ILLEGAL -- COUNTERFEIT -- CONTRABAND goods!
They CANNOT ADVERTISE THRU REGULAR CHANNELS -- which could not legally ACCEPT such ads!
So Care2 is BREAKING THE LAW, when it PERMITS this.......

Yes, but there is WORSE.
UGG boots from Australian sheepskin, cost upwards of $200.
Some of these ads, have UGG boots for $50. These, according to research, are MADE FROM RACCOON DOGS IN CHINA and you don't want to hear how they get the skin!!!!!
SHAME on Care2, if they let this persist!
And, thank you "C2Support", for doing something, when that is done!
This is really, really too much!
 

. (0)
Friday July 20, 2012, 10:05 am
I personally I have reported more than a hundred spam, now I see that after two hours Mei K spam is still present even after the post CareTwo Support.
then I want to ask:
I was banned twice in the same Lennox's news, this because of my abuse,right just not what the context, but this took place almost in real time securely in less than two hours.
So how does it work?
the ban by users like me who post comments, not just two words, they are immediately banned and spam remains posted for hours?
Bahh !!!
Noted but already signed -. thank you Kit
 

. (0)
Friday July 20, 2012, 10:12 am
Wake Care2 spam Mei K. is still published, at least on this occasion did not let us laugh behind
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 20, 2012, 10:22 am
why not collapse each post to the bare bones a one or two line peek of said post then to read the post you would need to open the extension to read the whole post this would get rid of clutter... as for the stolen design and mass murder empire that is leaving ads for unlawful things you telling me no one on this site has a way to track IP and other information about this group ,who they chat with and talk to online what they do and so fourth and so on Idea get the info you have and get people to sign and contact Police as to this information Interpol and so on... leave the care 2 staff to provide a fair platform to express in a way we each choose again in a fair way.. do as you will but better to be part of the solution then spin your wheels against the wrong people just because it takes effort to go after the right ones.. put your minds together think of this like a chance to save lives because in the end why are you doing this?
life has value beyond measure
Peace and Love
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DEMOLISH ------>>>>> THIS WALL !!!!
DEMAND FREEDOM, FOR ALL THE WORLD!!!!
 

Jerry B. (120)
Friday July 20, 2012, 10:45 am
Noted..thanks Kit!
 

Nancy C. (798)
Friday July 20, 2012, 12:11 pm
Thanx...posted a duplicate, sorry. Site not recognizing them on occasion lately.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Friday July 20, 2012, 1:58 pm
Hmm, Care2, how about
IF THE SPAM CONTAINS MORE THAN TWO OR THREE OF THESE WORDS:
Nike, Ugg, Air jordan, Tiffany, Prada, Gucci, Coach, there are dozens more --

JUST MAKE A LIST OF EXPENSIVE NAME-BRAND PRODUCTS --
If there are more than TWO OR THREE of the words on the list, then it's pretty certain that the post is not one about the Goddess of Victory Nike; or about Cinderella's or the Queen's Coach, etc.!!!
But rather, it is about STEALING COPYRIGHTS and INSERTING THEM in "helpless" venues..........
Hey, isn't that SIMPLE??????????? Software or spyware to RECOGNIZE THIS RIGHT AWAY whenever it appears???????

[Yeah, where is INTERPOL when you really need them?!]

Folks, remember that THESE ARE NOT "REAL" PEOPLE --
they are merely the hapless, underpaid and overworked no doubt EMPLOYEES of the COMPANY that is selling CONTRABAND........ they come up with a new name every day, it is part of their JOB DESCRIPTION.
If we block them, then the poor dears will get paid less, as this is probably piece-work and they get paid FOR EACH AD THEY MANAGE TO INSERT SOMEWHERE ON THE WEB.
This is NOT, repeat, NOT some guy with a bunch of contraband stuff stashed away in the basement of his Mom's house!
THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL PIRACY EFFORT. It is to ENRICH the factory owners in China that order this stuff made {with HUGE ANIMAL CRUELTY TOWARDS CATS AND DOGS}; and can ONLY ADVERTISE ILLEGAL STUFF, ILLEGALLY.
It would be like Care2 being dragged into ADVERTISING FOR AN INTERNATIONAL HEROIN CARTEL.
NO different!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 20, 2012, 2:17 pm
Great point Barb, two, three or even four key words could be the tip off. It doesn’t have to be just one word, as Randy would suggest.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 20, 2012, 2:28 pm
"..it's very difficult to stop this without an army of humans actually reviewing every comment ."

Randy, I'll remind you that this is the 21st Century. Any comment beyond that will just get ME deleted.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Friday July 20, 2012, 2:28 pm
"we will eventually make it unpleasant enough for spammers that they move on to easier targets"

Unfortunately, since these are no doubt VERY LOW-PAID EMPLOYEES in an economy {China's} where they must be DESPERATE FOR WORK.........
I am afraid that "unpleasant' is JUST PART OF THEIR JOB THAT THEY CAN EXPECT.

I mean, Drug "mules" or carriers have a very "unpleasant', not to mention dangerous, job -- but they probably for various reasons CAN'T find anything "easier" or less dangerous.......

I am afraid that if that is your attitude, Care2 staff, THAT WE WILL BE SADDLED WITH THE ILLEGAL SPAM FROM THE PIRATES, FOREVER AND EVER.........
You have to do BETTER THAN THAT........ sorry.........
If these spammers find it "unpleasant" enough to quit their jobs, they will just be REPLACED BY PEOPLE IN CHINA WHO ARE EVEN MORE DESPERATE AND HAVE EVEN FEWER OPTIONS FOR THEIR LIVES........

What I am SAYING, is, that THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF A TECHNOLOGICAL SOLUTION.
There is NO OTHER WAY, than a Technological Means of Blockage.
Anything less than FINAL, the PIRATE COMPANY WILL FIND A WAY TO BYPASS.
Hey, so far, they've OUTSMARTED YOU!!!

You may have to hire an extra person [a temp?] to JUST WATCH FOR AND BLOCK THE CONTRABAND PIRATES AS THEY APPEAR. As well as, for all of our sakes, DELETING ALL THEIR OLD POSTS.
These CONTRABAND INTERNATIONAL PIRATES, are DIFFERENT in kind, from other Spam -- and have to be HANDLED AS AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE MATTER, IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
You don't seem to have "gotten that", yet!!!!!
If they just CAN'T be blocked, technologically, then you really DO need to hire at least a part-time person TO WATCH FOR AND BLOCK EACH OF THEIR POSTS AS IT APPEARS. So it doesn't remain longer than, say, an hour! So that we KNOW the OFFENSIVE ANIMAL-CRUELTY-PROMOTING posts are going to go away!

We can ANTICIPATE that TOMORROW, some Chinese name or other, will appear with one of these fake-name-brand advertising posts ON SOME OF THE MOST RECENT NEWS-TO-NOTE THREADS.
Now, HOW DIFFICULT WOULD IT BE, to DELETE THESE say, 10 minutes after they appear???
And, THE POSTINGS ON THE DIFFERENT NEWS ITEMS, OR ON THE SAME NEWS ITEM, ALL APPEAR IN A ROW -- WITHIN A RATHER SHORT TIME-FRAME.
Hey, technologically-ignorant as I am, given the proper equipment, *I* could find them and delete them! The SAME DAY, anyway!
 

Mariette G. (150)
Friday July 20, 2012, 4:07 pm
Noted and signed. Thanks Kit and Randy!
 

Rock H. (254)
Friday July 20, 2012, 4:09 pm
The post directly above this is not spam even though it looks like so don't flag it. MJ M. is only making a point about how easy it is to spot these SPAM posts.

Thanks for your petition Kit! Green star sent your way.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 20, 2012, 4:51 pm
Thanks Rock, but it's ok if they flag the hell out of it, if it will gett Care2's attention. The thread those came from has been completely ignored by C2. Even after a WEEK of flagging.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Friday July 20, 2012, 5:50 pm
Note above: UGG BOOT $50.
This boot is NOT made from Australian sheepskin, like the REAL Ugg;
it is made from DOG SKIN, that's right, from D - O - G skin, from the so-called "raccoon dog", OFTEN used for these purposes in China. And, you don't want to hear how those skins are "harvested".

Anybody looking at those prices, would be NUTS to think they are getting real "name brand" products.
However, there IS "a sucker born every minute", we KNOW that for a fact. And we KNOW that some people on Care2 HAVE, in the past and in the present, fallen for SCAMS. We KNOW that.
Also, THESE GUYS ARE ASKING FOR YOUR CREDIT CARDS.
What about very young, ignorant or naive people who come on Care2 all the time?
Doesn't Care2 have any OBLIGATION for people's SAFETY? even if they are somewhat stupid??????

These, while annoying as Hell, are A LOT MORE THAN JUST A "NUISANCE".
I said I would keep silent after my last post, but I CANNOT.
The trouble with Care2, is, they REGARD THIS AS JUST ANOTHER INSTANCE OF SPAM; and try to deal with it accordingly.
This is NOT some "clever spammer" selling goods out of his Mom's basement!
This is a CRIMINAL GANG, into COPYING NAME-BRAND PRODUCTS OF ALL DESCRIPTIONS, in China, where even tho THIS IS ILLEGAL IN CHINA, they figure they won't get CAUGHT.
Yes, as far as I know, International copyright law APPLIES IN CHINA TOO, and China, in order to participate in International Trade, MUST agree to International law.
So these CRIMINALS, are counting on LAX LAW ENFORCEMENT; OR NON-ENFORCEMENT.
That MEANS, that just exactly like BOOTLEGGERS DURING PROHIBITION, NOTHING IS GOING TO STOP THEM.

They are not going to be "discouraged". They are ALREADY intruding wherever they find a WEAKNESS!
You can count on it, they will take advantage of EVERY WEAK UNDEFENDED SPOT ON THE INTERNET THEY CAN FIND.
What USE to them are their MASS-PRODUCED PHONEY PRODUCTS if they can't SELL them worldwide?
And HOW can the ADVERTISE ILLEGAL CONTRABAND PRODUCTS that NO LEGAL VENUE will ACCEPT???

So ALL their advertising has to be SNEAKY.
You will see more of those ads TOMORROW. And the DAY AFTER TOMORROW. And the NEXT DAY. And the NEXT DAY.
if Care2 is "too busy" to "deal with all the spammers they have to deal with" -- then Care2 needs to
HIRE ONE PERSON -- OR A TEAM -- JUST TO WORK ON THIS ONE PROBLEM.
The problem of THE ATTACK ON CARE2 MEMBERSHIP BY THE GANG OF INTERNATIONAL PIRATES.
How can Care2 be so INDIFFERENT TO ANIMAL SUFFERING -- as to SUPINELY ALLOW THE ADVERTISING of the products made from it?????

I would like to hear from Care2, WITHIN 24 HOURS, that they have HIRED ONE PERSON -- or a TEAM! -- to WORK ON THIS ONE PROBLEM OF INTERNATIONAL CRIME AFFECTING CARE2 MEMBERS.
C'mon, where Care2 lives, there MUST BE some out-of-work skilled person or persons who would GLADLY TAKE ON THE JOB!!!
Okay, tightwads, they ought to have a salary and benefits..... but, I would say that CARE2'S REPUTATION IS ON THE LINE.
It's like the MAFIA had a GUN TO CARE2'S HEAD.......!!!!!!!!!
 

Devon Leonard (54)
Friday July 20, 2012, 6:34 pm
well...talk about feeling out of the loop, I do. Prob sounds funny but this is my 1st yr online.. and I have a 4-5 yr old 2nd hand Macbook and I don't pay much, if any attention to ad's that show up..I pretty much just stay focused on what ever I'm doing... So I'm unsure about Spam...what it really is ..other than a waste of time which is after all important.
 

Kit H. (174)
Friday July 20, 2012, 7:48 pm
done.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday July 20, 2012, 7:48 pm
Same time every evening. Care2 has turner into a big advertising joke.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Friday July 20, 2012, 7:52 pm
devon leonard; as if "in answer to your prayers" -- THIS, right after your post, IS THE SORT OF SPAM WE ARE CHIEFLY TALKING ABOUT HERE.
Unfortunately, there are DIFFERENT KINDS OF SPAM; and on some of these postings, both Care2 members, and Care2 staff especially, DON'T MAKE ENOUGH OF A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF SPAM.
Lots of Spam comes from INDIVIDUAL HACKERS, who like to make mischief for various reasons.
Some of them are Racists, are crazy, any number of things.

But, I AM TRYING TO ALERT EVERYONE, INCLUDING CARE2 STAFF -- THESE PARTICULAR ONES, LIKE THE ONE THAT POSTED RIGHT AFTER YOUR POST, ARE DIFFERENT. They are a different kind of thing altogether.
These are not "ordinary ads", intrusive and annoying as some ads on Care2 are. At least those are LEGAL.

These ads here are for ILLEGAL PRODUCTS.
They are AS ILLEGAL AS HEROIN, AS ILLEGAL AS 16-YEAR-OLD PROSTITUTES.
Such ads -- for Heroin, for Prostitutes, or for THIS -- SHOULD NOT BE ON CARE2!!!
IT IS TRASHING THE REPUTATION OF CARE2 TO PERMIT SUCH ADS -- AND TO NOT TAKE THEM DOWN AFTER THEY'VE BEEN UP FOR DAYS AND FOR WEEKS!

What would you think of an ad on Care2 for HEROIN -- and that someone stupid on Care2 might actually go ahead and BUY SOME from that ad???
It seems that flagging does little good. Care2 hasn't woken up yet!
But I flag ANYWAY.... and I urge everybody to KEEP ON FLAGGING.
Apparently those ads are going to STAY UP THERE FOREVER. And that means, that you can either FLAG THOSE ADS FOREVER..... or choose to leave Care2! Those are it seems, the ONLY choices!!!!!

Here is what I wrote when I flagged:
"Care2, you need to realize that these ADS are A DIFFERENT KIND OF SPAM; and NEED TO BE TREATED IN A DIFFERENT WAY. Otherwise, WE WILL BE GETTING THESE DAILY UNTIL THE END OF TIME, OR THE END OF THE PLANET, OR THE END OF CARE2, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST."
 

Marie W. (65)
Friday July 20, 2012, 9:15 pm
Spam is everywhere... I don't think we can fight millions of spammers.
 

Joan M. (1090)
Friday July 20, 2012, 9:47 pm
I do hope the care2 team can do something about it. Thanks Kit
 

Unnikrishnan Sasidharan (48)
Friday July 20, 2012, 10:26 pm
S+N
 

Ann B. (140)
Friday July 20, 2012, 11:12 pm
noted and signed
 

Mike H. (220)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 12:12 am
Thank you for signing the petition "Request by Care2.com members to enforce removal of SPAM."
 

SuSanne P. (182)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 1:02 am
Thank you Kit! I agree this is a horrible problem. As I've always said, I am appreciative (for many PERSONAL, numerous and too many unrelated reasons to share) to continually complain during the many problems of C2. I appreciate Randy's post, as I can't imagine the strife he has endured since 2008.
I LOVE BARBARA K's POST: Friday July 20, 2012, 5:48 am MANY STARS!
I have read in a previous post that hiring 1 PART TIME employee, strictly to overlook this problem. Call me a complete IDIOT, but one person facing so many difficulties seems unrealistic to me.

Thank you for signing the petition "Request by Care2.com members to enforce removal of SPAM." Signed with Respect rather than ANGER.
 

Agnes H. (144)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 1:06 am
No one will believe what OUR PM says? The more Asia, notably China, buys in Australia, the better it is for OUR people! There'll be MORE Jobs for our people. If that were so, then WHY are so many people being made Redundant every week? Our Military Uniforms used to be made HERE in Victoria from Victorian Wool by Victorian People. Then all of a sudden, for no reason whatsoever, our plant was closed and the contract went to China. Why? Because the Chinese can make them cheaper and it won't cost OUR Government as much money!
My sons have to BUY their own uniform and both said that the quality was a lot better when they were made here in Oz itself.
We get just about Everything from Asia. The other day Les said, with surprise, that he had something that wasn't made in China. It was Pakistan!
The Government doesn't seem to see that ALL the profits also go to Asia, and NOT Australia. The Mining Boom, they say, is coming, is paid for by China and India. They want deeper shipping channels to take the Coal and Oil , Uranium, to their countries. That Channel goes right through our Great Barrier Reef! We've been campaigning against that, as the Great Barrier Reef is a Nature Reserve. The Chinese want to drill there for Oil as well. But it all goes to Their countries and we won't see anything of the profits.
I've got a cousin, who's very smart and a computer programmer, yet he just cannot get a job here!
We got bread in one of our supermarkets, which says "Baked Today and Sold Today". When asked whether it was Australian, made from Australian products, they said "Yes!" Then one of our local Politicians happened to read the small print underneath the Ingredients, it said "Product from Ireland!" Now they've removed that line. They say the dough was made in Ireland and frozen, but it IS baked on the premises!
Yesterday I noticed some packets saying "Made from Australian and Imported Products" It is called Chai Latte. It's a black Tea with Spices and Milk Solids. We don't grow tea, neither do the spices grow in Oz. The only Australian ingredients are the milk solids, and it also has traces of soy. Soy is mostly imported as well!
All our computers come from Japan, China, USA, but none here.
We've got one salesman, Dick Smith, who makes Jams and Peanut Butter, all made from local produce. He often goes around to houses, randomly, and if you have anything in your Larder that's purely Australian made he gives away $500.00. You even get that money if you have Home made goods, as they are also made of home grown produce, especially fruit.
He started with Electrical Goods and said that the biggest mistake he made was by selling his name as well when he sold the chain of shops. Now a lot of people still think those TV's, computers and other goods are Australian made and they aren't.
It's the same all over the world. Everything is being taken over by the Asian People. It shows in quality and the service you get. Even some of our Banks are going overseas because the labour is cheaper. I think it's wrong! The people in your own country study hard for those jobs. A lot get told that they are " OVERQUALIFIED" how silly is that?
The only thing I can buy that's Australian made are my shoes, with a reason. But I can't get clothes made here. Everything is made abroad. Even biscuits made in the USA says "Made in Australia" just because they are PACKED in Australia.
I believe it's the same with Facebook, Care2, Twitter and so on. I asked Care2 a question, quite awhile ago and still haven't had an answer. I would like to know why?
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 1:06 am
"I don't think we can fight millions of spammers."
I FAULT this Petition, for NOT BEING CLEAR ENOUGH what it is actually about. This reflects some CONFUSION; which Care2 staff also seems to be suffering under.
Quite recently, CARE2 AND ITS MEMBERS HAVE COME UNDER ATTACK, by not just "ordinary spammers": rather, it is by AN ORGANIZED CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE.
Not "all" spam is "illegal" IN THE SAME SENSE THAT THIS WHICH WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IS.

See those LONG LINES OF "NAME-BRAND PRODUCTS" that are up above there? {FAKE "name-brand products", every last one of them!}
Well, THOSE TYPES OF ADS are what has been appearing EVERY SINGLE DAY, DAY AFTER DAY in certain News Item threads, both old and new ones.
This is DIFFERENT from other types of Spam.
It is DIFFERENT, not only because it "looks different".
It is DIFFERENT, because it is NOT ABOUT SOME IDIOT SPAMMER SOMEWHERE.
Rather, this is ORGANIZED PIRACY. This is going to have to take SPECIAL PAINS to get rid of, different methods from those used against Spammers who are PEOPLE.

Somewhere in China, THERE ARE FACTORIES MASS-PRODUCING ILLEGAL GOODS.
MASS-PRODUCING - ILLEGAL - GOODS THAT CANNOT LEGALLY BE SOLD ANYWHERE. ANYwhere!!!
They cannot be sold legally even within China! if International Law were enforced...... this is a TOTALLY ILLEGAL OPERATION from first to last!!! And, like the Drug Trade or Human Trafficking, which are EQUALLY ILLEGAL, it is EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY PROFITABLE for those engaged in it! {Not the lowly workers, of course! the Bosses!}
To see HOW profitable, go to the PETITION ITSELF, where those figures are set down.

These people making all these gigantic profits OUT OF GOODS THEY CANNOT LEGALLY SELL, are NOT GOING TO STOP unless they are BLOCKED SOMEHOW. They are ALREADY way outside the Law! They don't CARE what we think of them, any more than the Drug Dealer selling drugs to school kids, cares what the parents think of him!
It is of concern to me and to many of us, that Care2 by ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN, shows WEAKNESS and LACK OF DEFENSES. What OTHER types of cyber-hacking might such DEMONSTRATION OF WEAKNESS, invite? Will the Child Prostitution ads driven off of some venues, find their safe haven on Care2 next? Why not? Care2 thinks it can't stop them......... so they say!

To see my suggestions for what Care2 MIGHT do, please see my posts above.
I realize that fighting these insidious forces is going to be difficult and maybe not the sort of thing that Care2 has ever done before. But, IT MUST BE DONE. Otherwise, yes, you WILL have Child Prostitution and OTHER illegal ads for THINGS THAT CAN'T BE SOLD LEGALLY, running rampant all over Care2 -- and who knows for what else! Oh, dog fights, let's hack Care2 to insert ads about our neighborhood dog fights! I think Michael Vick might be interested in financing some hackers to put these illegal ads on Care2........
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 1:26 am
Agnes: This is not an issue about "cheap goods made in China".
That IS a problem; but that is not THIS problem that is being discussed here.
What IS being discussed here --
is ILLEGAL goods made, as it happens, in China {or anywhere else for that matter}.
China can make a cheap handbag, uniform, or whatever.
But, in this case, some factory {that happened to be in China} made a handbag that LOOKED LIKE a Coach handbag {fancy brand name}; and it had a "Coach" LABEL on it; but IT WASN'T MADE BY THE COACH MANUFACTURERS. Therefore, THAT FACTORY, AND WHOEVER TRIED TO SELL THE HANDBAG, WAS DOING AN ILLEGAL ACT ACCORDING TO INTERNATIONAL LAW RECOGNIZED BY ALL COUNTRIES.

Any Law Enforcement anywhere in the world, coming across a "Coach" handbag that has STOLEN THE LABEL and is trying to pass itself off as a REAL "Coach" handbag -- could legally CONFISCATE THAT BAG. [This International trade in FAKE BRAND-NAME GOODS is possible, of course, because people shut their eyes to it or have been paid off...... just like Prostitution or the Drug Trade!]

I hope by this I have made clear, the difference between "cheap goods", and "cheap ILLEGAL goods"; goods which solicit your trade when you might THINK you are getting Gucci, Prada, and other fancy-schmancy labels, when it is really JUST AN ILLEGAL IMITATION that the REAL Gucci or Prada manufacturers never saw!
 

John B. (215)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 2:37 am
Thanks Kit for posting the link here at Care2. Noted. I Signed two days ago after a "heads Up" friends message from Barbara. Green stars to you both.
 

Dusty Debandi (113)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 5:51 am
By the way, Petition Signed
 

Dusty Debandi (113)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 5:54 am
Oh and by the way, Hello to you Randy Paynther.....it's nice to see you and to see that you really DO exist. I've always wondered about that as in five years on care2 I have never seen a post from you on anything but perhaps I missed it.
 

Dusty Debandi (113)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 6:13 am
So what are you saying now Randy P.....that it is OUR, your readers responsibility to do your job? I have been on numerous stories where Everyone was "Flagging" over and over these spammers and every time they got back onto the site. NOTHING WAS DONE ABOUT IT AND NO RESPONCE FROM YOU OR CARE2. Now, after a petition is up about your site, NOW you respond?!? And then you tell us,"No need for the Petition". That apparently is the only way that we got your attention. Why have you not responded before now as we have been "Flagging" away for Months on end and the spam still remains up. We are here to support Rights and sign petitions.........not do your job. It is discusting and rediculious that a so called "Reputable" site cannot control what goes on on their site. Randy, you have gotten rich off of the backs of your members so I suggesst you use more of that money to make it a safe site, protect your members, protect your members from scams and stop the spamming. I am losing all integrity for care2.
 

Dusty Debandi (113)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 6:25 am
I am blind and my visual-aids do not recognize the CAPTCHA's. This is an ongoing problem for me. I utilize a mic. and a headphone and I talk to the computer and it writes what I want it to right - hopefully. And then it reads back to me what is printed on the page - hopefully. I utilize "Text-to Speech" recogniton and "Speech-to Text" recognition. It does not pick up or is able to read the CAPTCHA's. Also, my visual-aids are not accomodated on your site in care2 support so when I have a problem.....I cannot even contact support. I am told that it is due to something that YOU have to do on your end and with your computers to accomodate something called DPSI (dots per square inch) and that a lot of sited do not set their systems up to accomodate those with visual-aids as it is not cost effective. Cost effective to who. I am sure that there are many of the "19,821,178 members doing good!" on your site who are visually impaired who help to contribute to your wealth.
Sorry to use this story Kit to make this comment but being that Randy P. is reading these comments, I wanted him to be aware of the problems facing those with visual-aids and I cannot contact the support site being that it is not set up to accomodate the visual-aids or I would have contacted them directly. Whenever I have a Support problem, there is nothing I can do about it and I just have to suck it up.
 

Dusty Debandi (113)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 6:57 am
Randy P. = I saw you once on the Oprah Wimphray show as your spoke of how care2 came to be. You said that "You had a Dream" where ativist could come together as a collective whole to fight against injustice for human, civil, enviromental, and animal rights. I do not understand why, if this was your dream, that you do not delete the spamming, the selling of counterfit goods or the selling of goods on this site that skin animals alive for their fur, leather, and etc., as this definately goes against animal rights.....the dream that you claimed to have.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 7:39 am
Noted and signed.Thanks Kit.
 

Aurea Walker (194)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 7:49 am
Everytime I see the "SPAM" I flag it and have gone one further, I contacted the FBI. It is a felony, the FBI was "nice" but did not seem to care. So I quess all I can do for now is keep flagging.
 

Maggie S. (40)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 8:56 am
Come on Care2 - when we flag spam and the TV ads spam TAKE IT DOWN! Don't let it pop back up! I flag it and everyone else must be doing do also because it is getting better. I think it is because of our efforts though, no the efforst of Care2!
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 9:12 am
I've found, thru postings, that unfortunately there is some confusion, due to the wording of the Petition. I would've worded it differently -- but, too late!

When you get past the title, the Petition isn't about ALL Spam -- tho it sounds like it is, and some people don't get past the title of a Petition when they sign it!

The Petition is in fact, about this PARTICULAR KIND of Spam. {Maybe the writer of the Petition thought this would be a good chance to include ALL Spam that was annoying us -- but that was a tactical error!}

This Petition is really about THE ILLEGAL GOODS that are being daily and regularly MARKETED thru Care2.
{WERE? are they really gone? for good?}

And, I just had a revelation -- one of those "lightbulb" ideas -- about ANOTHER source of confusion in Care2 members and staff trying to deal with this!
Here it is: the ads, with their dis-arming wordings and mis-spellings, sound like they were written by an AMATEUR. You immediately visualize Jen or Shen or Han, etc., as a young person {as naive as yourself, maybe!}, just trying to make it by operating a small and very marginal business..... THAT IS CERTAINLY THE FIRST IMPRESSION made by the first ad you see! And no doubt the impression they WANT to give......

In REALITY, THESE GUYS ARE "AMATEURS" LIKE THE MAFIA OR THE COLOMBIA DRUG CARTELS ARE "AMATEURS". This is REALLY BIG {ILLEGAL} BUSINESS -- HUGE! The statistics on the Petition -- which not everyone will read, but I recommend reading them -- tell the REAL story!

I DO have a concern, that if Care2 shows WEAKNESS AND VULNERABILITY AND LACK OF ANY DEFENSE against this kind of CO-ORDINATED PROFESSIONAL ATTACK -- what OTHER EXAMPLES of cyber law-breaking might we be subjected to? An example is the ads for Child Prostitution being driven off of "back pages" -- the people who make these ads for an ILLEGAL ITEM OF SALE will be LOOKING FOR a comfortable place for their ILLEGAL BUSINESS to roost...and THEY DON'T CARE if we don't like it...... I'm not kidding!

Nope, I'm not "overreacting"! I am trying to WARN PEOPLE.....

I caught on to this because of an article I had fortuitously read some weeks before, about this ILLEGAL KNOCK-OFF BUSINESS and how the REAL manufacturers were concerned..... it's not so much that I favor one bunch of rich capitalists over another; but at least the REAL Prada doesn't insert inappropriate ads all over Care2! [and they are not QUITE as inhumane in their treatment of animals -- and of their own workers!].
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 9:27 am
Thanks Dusty for your comments and passion! And thanks for forwarding Matt's letter. I hope Care2 staff is ALERT now, I have the feeling these purveyors of ILLEGAL GOODS will be trying to find ANOTHER WAY IN.....

Aurea, nice try with the Feebies.....
[Where is INTERPOL when you really need them?]

The FBI can't regulate what is happening in CHINA! just within the borders of the U.S.!
These knock-offs are being sold, so I am told, on the streets of New York City. The goods could be confiscated there; but it is such small potatoes, relatively speaking, that the Law seldom bothers.

It is important to note, that these ILLEGAL GOODS are illegal in CHINA, also -- China, to engage in International Trade at all, has to follow the same International rules as the rest of the world! But China is also a very large place, where these mass-production factories can be hidden and furthermore, pay off corrupt officials to look the other way.....
IF it was that these mass-production factories were in the U.S., THEN you could call in the Feds......
And, the FBI can't regulate the Internet {which is a GOOD thing!}.

I guess we are ALL LEARNING SOMETHING TOGETHER, huh?!
 

Dusty Debandi (113)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 10:36 am
Maybe we ought to send this Petition to the FBI to get them to do anything about it.
 

Dusty Debandi (113)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 10:42 am
Isn't there such a thing as International Fraud? Who deals with that? Just asking as I don't know.
 

aj E. (164)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 11:44 am
signed.
 

Randy Paynter (945)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 11:54 am
Dusty - Matt is the CTO (Chief Technology Officer) of Care2 - he's been on the front lines fighting spammers here for years.

As you can see, because spammers are real people who change their tactics when blocked there's no simple answer like blocking key words or IP addresses - the spammers immediately change their approach to work around it.

It's very frustrating and has been extremely expensive for us to fight - but we will continue to do all we can, as we recognize the problems spam creates and it's not the kind of environment we want here.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 12:11 pm
Randy, I find that explanation disingenuous at best. How about WHOLE BLOCKS OF KEY WORDS?
 

Donna G. (38)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 12:43 pm
Lots of messages in response to the petition. But, not one single spam message. I agree with what Randy has written; even so, I did sign the petition. As for what reason to give as to why a spam message is being flagged as inappropriate? What's wrong with writing "It's SPAM"?
 

Terrie Williams (769)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 12:56 pm
Already signed and shared Kit. Noted.
 

Wim Zunnebeld (144)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 1:06 pm
thx for sharing.
 

Wim Zunnebeld (144)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 1:06 pm
thx for sharing.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 1:08 pm
Donna, why should C2 members have to spend all of their time typing 'It's SPAM', when we are just ignored until the ad has been visable for it's predetermined time?
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 1:13 pm
Those dog skin boots spam ads have FINALLY been removed from the Higgs Boson article after 17 days.
Donna, you don't get around much on Care2, I see.
 

Dave C. (214)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 1:22 pm
thanks, signed, and read randy's post....keep reporting it, but it seems that c2 could have someone spend some of their day reading the site and cutting the spam as they go.....
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 2:01 pm

My, well-considered, thoughts on this???

After going into the member base and finding (after ONLY searching "Hh" and finding those members undeleted), I have come to the conclusion that Care2 deletes the individual comments by spammers, but retains their profiles to increase their number of members, in order to make the site more attractive to potential advertisers.

I'm still considering how I feel about this . . . but, of one thing I'm certain -- this is capitalism at its worst; and I expected better from a site purporting to "do good."


 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 2:30 pm
Obviously the inflated member numbers make it attractive for the sellers of dog skin boots as well. Since that is the case, this problem becomes a vicious cycle that Care2 perpetuates.
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 2:33 pm

And, another thawt . . . I've seen TOO MANY well-intentioned members, who contributed to this site daily, be suspended (myself, and other friends, included).

And YET, obvious spammers still have privileges???

I think we need a re-visit to suspension/banning protocal.

 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 2:43 pm
Yes Carole, capitalism at it's worst, and vulturism at it's finest.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 2:51 pm
Yes, it's about time for that review! Preferably before we're banned for these comments. ;)
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 3:02 pm

Banned for making honest, proven comments? Then, so be it! (Better to know.)

 

Dany Strakova (119)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 3:15 pm
signed! thanks so much for this initiative!
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 3:27 pm
Already signed TY Kit
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 3:29 pm

I want to state something here.

I happen to LOVE this site, and have visited -- and contributed to it -- on a daily basis. BUT, each person who does so must consider their own set of principles before returning.

I have, personally, forgiven many "sins" committed by staff/management here -- by assuming that it was oversight, overwhelmed staff, etc.

However, there comes a time to "throw down" and demand some truthful answers.

 

Henriette Matthijssen (143)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 4:00 pm
Signed, Thanks Kit.
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 5:18 pm


Thursday July 19, 2012, 4:10 pm

"Care2 Response There's literally no way our staff could review every post before it's posted on our site, so Care2 members are an important line of defense. The faster you all can flag it (which removes it when enough people flag it), the less interesting it is to the spammers to try to continue attacking our site."

Does this mean that Care2 is still using a "number of flags" algorithm to automatically/robotically suspend members (without human examination/judgment)?

 

Kenneth L. (314)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 5:21 pm
What I'm wondering is who actually in C2 ever buys anything from these spam ads? How can it be profitable for spammers to advertise in C2 if they get so little sales from it?
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 5:31 pm

They have nothing to lose, since they have no interest in being long-term members in the first place.

There probably ARE some members who click on their ads, which adds to their traffic, resulting in rewards. Believe it or not, I've seen obvious spam elevate to front page status because of members (or other spammers) noting it.

 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 5:40 pm
 
From a co-host of Care2's own group, Feedback and Suggestions:
 
1 week ago
"What amazes me is the number of people who 'note' news that is clearly posted by spammers - with that kind of encouragement, it's no wonder that they come back.  Some spam stories have even made the front page, with the dubious help of members who either can't read, or just want their butterflies."
 
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 6:36 pm

[and the hits keep comin']

 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 6:42 pm
6:30 -7:30 pm Pacific EVERY FREAKIN EVENIN!

No Randy, don't feed us this crap that it can't be monitored.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 7:31 pm
S&N
Sigh....
I flagged the spammer Shi X....
I hate Spam Monty Python
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 7:39 pm
Where do I Flag Care2?

If I can get an email notification of Shi X'x comment, why can't CARE2??
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 7:41 pm
Oh, I see. They remove Shi X's 'comment' but leave my copy of it, even though I flagged my own copy.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 8:29 pm
Can someone tell me why these other Care2 articles are immune to the dog boot ads? I guess it’s only the member submitted articles that attract these scum. Or is it that Care2 will only block the spam on their main site? Screw the member submitted articles.

Is President Obama ‘Evolving’ On Medical Marijuana?
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Saturday July 21, 2012, 10:18 pm
Signed

I am flagging spammers all the time
 

Ben Oscarsito (335)
Sunday July 22, 2012, 6:50 am
...Welcome to the FREAK SHOW!!!
 

Naoko I. (262)
Sunday July 22, 2012, 7:22 am
I ask Randy or anyone dealing with solving this spam problems, again, if it really is so difficult to change the system so that any new "members" need to first accumulate certain butterfly credits and/or click-to-donate certain times before posting anything. Or require on their profiles more information.
IS IT REALLY SO HARD ON YOUR PART CARE2 MANAGEMENT?
 

Naoko I. (262)
Sunday July 22, 2012, 7:59 am
At least we should be able to "hide" spam comments.. from ourselves... just like we can hide spam posts. No need to delete (I mean if the site really can't...sigh) but I really really don't want to see them (spam comments) again and again (that after I flagged them again again).
 

Mari 's (1365)
Sunday July 22, 2012, 10:20 am

Just today I went to go sign Activists Petitions to save up butterflies and there are endless petitions all Coupons!? It's obvious they are spamming and giving making petitions up for companies.

See here http://www.thepetitionsite.com/browse-petitions/activist/


Rogaine Coupon, Cottonelle Coupons, Heinz Coupons, Folgers Coffee Printable...
Excedrin Coupon CLICK HERE TO SAVE UP TO 50% WITH

It's endless today as I try to find legit petitions to sign.
 

Mari 's (1365)
Sunday July 22, 2012, 10:22 am

NVM It's the food and yes Signed for that too!
 

Nerina S. (11)
Sunday July 22, 2012, 12:10 pm
Spam are also those zillions of fake posts on the care2 news that advertise tv shows and sports matches...
I've flagged at least 10 today.

I am in favour of a SPAM button also inside the news. It's tiresome to write "spam" multiple times in a row!
I do not think such a button would require too much trouble from Care2.
 

Nerina S. (11)
Sunday July 22, 2012, 12:13 pm
Mari's is correct: there are lots and lots of fake petitions that contain spam ads instead (http://www.thepetitionsite.com/browse-petitions/activist/ )
What about a flag/spam button for those as well?
 

Dusty Debandi (113)
Sunday July 22, 2012, 6:32 pm
Well I see that the "SPAM" is still up as well as the advertisements that were posted on my story about my mom , "Free My Mother From Nursing Home" as well as the gentlemans comments that I kept flagging for innappropriate comments to me that were posted on Feb. 28th, 2012. How much time do you need to remove such spam, advertisements and innappropriate comments? That was over (5) FIVE MONTHS AGO. HELLO?????
 

Dusty Debandi (113)
Sunday July 22, 2012, 6:33 pm
How do you like that? SPAM on an Anti-SPAM story.
 

Nancy C. (798)
Sunday July 22, 2012, 8:06 pm
CNBC 11:00PM Sunday Counterfeit Products
 

Randy Paynter (945)
Sunday July 22, 2012, 10:18 pm
Naoko - That's exactly the kind of solution we're building (a system that gives more privileges to folks who have demonstrated they're trustworthy). It's a shame it's come to that, but to protect the integrity of the site from spammers we need to go that route.

Kenneth - they're probably not actually expecting anyone here to click on the ads (or at least not many folks). I think the main game they're trying to play is SEO (Search Engine Optimization). The more links Google sees to a shopping site from other high-integrity sites, the higher it's likely to show that shopping site in search results. That said, Google does not count links that contain hidden text telling their robots not to use those links (or so Google Says). We use that text (called "no follow") that should mean all of those links are worthless, but the spammers still seem to think these links are valuable. It's possible google does actually value them even though it says they don't, or it's possible the spammers are just not paying attention to the fact their links here are worthless... I really don't know.

Just Carole - re trusted members getting suspended - that's exactly part of our challenge. If we make it too easy or too simplistic in how we suspend / delete posts and accounts, we risk "false positives" i.e. penalizing innocent folks.

re deleting the spam but not the accounts - some clever spammers have found a loophole to keep their accounts from getting deleted by the normal process... we're working on finding a solution to that.

re Spam Button - you can simply click the "flag as inappropriate" button and then "send report" without explaining "why is this inappropriate". We include that comment box because sometimes folks will flag posts they simply disagree with and/or it's not completely obvious why it would be inappropriate, but you do not need to actually fill it in if it's obviously spam.

Thanks again everyone for the feedback!


 

Kimberly B. (120)
Monday July 23, 2012, 9:35 am
Sooo signed & noted! Thank you very much Kit and Carole!
 

Dusty Debandi (113)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 6:33 am
The "SPAM" Choice Button might be a good idea but would serve no purpose if no one in care2 support does anything about it or removes it.
 

Andi drummond (107)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 8:22 am
Signed and posted in anti spam group.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 6:40 pm

That would be a revelation, but your comment linked you to an existing profile [click on it] -- but, theirs don't.

(Still, thanks for getting my brain cogs to thinking about it as a possibility.)

 

Jelica R. (157)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 9:38 pm
I've signed.

Many great comments here (and not a single spam NOW.)

Too many users are not aware that Internet is a wild frontier rather than a rose garden. Many sites are overwhelmed with spam lately. Some of them have turned to delayed comments (they post them after verifying); other are changing their comment SW... as always, where to draw the line between harassing users and protecting them is a major question.

I think that those illegal sale comments are generated by professionals operating big servers, and it is practically impossible to prevent them. Now, we don't have to tolerate it, either. On my primary e-mail I have risen protection to paranoid level and some spam still reaches inbox. On the other hand, I've got mails from my old aunt flagged as spam, too. Question of refining filters and criteria... What matters is to know you are vulnerable, there is not such thing as absolute security and you have to take care of yourself.

What I would suggest to help care2 admins is to let members have administrative privileges on their posts. This will help keep some order here; let admins identify problematic providers, block them and force them to guard whom they let operate thru them. Also, this will help Interpol in investigating and prosecuting real culprits.

I also recommend asking new members to identify themselves by answering to a mail send on their PRIMARY e-mail address, not some gmail, yahoo or Facebook e-mail. Also, reject people who come here from redirecting (anonymous) sites. The fact is that nobody is unintentionally anonymous on the Internet. Those who try to hide who their identity have nothing to do on a site like care2. We are not criminals. IMO.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 9:53 pm
Be careful what you wish for.

SOPA and PIPA have gone. ACTA failed in EU Parliament. But here come their ugly offspring, TPP and CISPA.

The US House will be voting on CISPA this week. With President Obama threatening to veto the bill if it reaches his desk unamended, the tech companies in support of this bill are becoming increasingly isolated. If we can peel them off, it's unlikely CISPA will pass unless radically altered.

Learn more:

Rogers’ “Cybersecurity” Bill Is Broad Enough to Use Against WikiLeaks and The Pirate Bay

What Everyone Who Uses The Internet Needs To Know About CISPA

All About CISPA, the Bill that Wants to Erode Your Online Privacy

You know what happens when Governments try to protect our security. Broad regulations which ultimately steals our freedoms. If you want to stop this, sign this petitions:

Demand Progress:
CISPA Is The New SOPA: Help Kill It

Electronic Frontier Foundation:
Don’t Let Congress Use "Cybersecurity" Fears to Trample on Civil Liberties »

Access Now: Tell Tech Companies: Protect Our Privacy
 

John Farnham (53)
Friday July 27, 2012, 4:37 pm
Back in 2004 Washington Monthly was so inundated by trolls that a person had to appointed to handle comment spam and tricksters. Every year I see more nonsense online and more government regulation. We even have kids ending up in jail if their underage girlfriends post a nude shot and they share it with friends - yet we have been suckered by scaremongers to criminalize normal behaviour.
I know spam threatens my enjoyment and participation in the site when trash outnumbers real content. I also know that group participation in monitoring submissions has proven the only real effective defense of email for instance. This from a guy who deleted his operating system because it got root kitted through a mechanical filter years ago.
Security concerns work sometimes to defeat security as well as create it. That is a tough balance which online communities must cooperate to achieve.
And I've seen times when spam seemed worse than it is now. It seems to come in waves - and Care2 makes waves. Not all hacking is innocent or commercially motivated. Ask Iran's nuclear power generating people about that.
 

Beverly M. (85)
Sunday July 29, 2012, 10:16 am
Happily noted and signed ~ thank you Kit!
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday July 30, 2012, 7:06 am

WHERE ARE ALL OF KIT'S COMMENTS????? (Care2?)

 

Just Carole (338)
Monday July 30, 2012, 7:39 am

I even checked several of her other submissions . . . and her comments (even on non-controversial subjects) are missing!

 

Kit B. (276)
Monday July 30, 2012, 8:05 am

Have I been dumped by Care2? Why are my comments missing?
 

Past Member (0)
Monday July 30, 2012, 8:09 am
There you are!! What's going on?
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday July 30, 2012, 8:11 am

Kit, I'm really hoping that this is some kind of technical error (and your comments will be restored) -- because, otherwise, to delete ALL of any member's comments, would be contempible censorship!

 

Just Carole (338)
Monday July 30, 2012, 8:13 am

Oops . . . meant to say CONTEMPTIBLE censorship.

 

Past Member (0)
Monday July 30, 2012, 8:21 am
BEYOND CONTEMPTIBLE!
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday July 30, 2012, 8:55 am

A technical error that affected only my comments? I don't believe that and neither do you. Relation for this petition? Maybe.

I have used no "unacceptable" language, have not harassed any person on Care2, nor followed any one to chase down their comments. I stay with the topic and post both my thoughts and FACTS about the subject at hand. I follow the rules of Care2 to a fault, intentionally.
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday July 30, 2012, 9:03 am

It's just too despicable to believe that any member's entire history of expression can be totally eliminated (without regard to actual content and/or warning).

 

Kit B. (276)
Monday July 30, 2012, 10:07 am

Good or bad one thing that can be said about me is that when I submit an article or a petition I do respond to others as often as possible.
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday July 30, 2012, 10:37 am

As my comments from this morning are showing apparently I have never before left a comment on Care2. - EVER!

Ben, I too flagged that profile. I don't if that is some kid that thinks he's funny or some warped mind looking for attention. I do know that is not a serious member of Care2, but a direct insult to the rest of us.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Tuesday July 31, 2012, 6:18 pm
New Kit's comments are here, but I don't see Ben's comment from Monday, July 30, 2012, 10:30 AM. Thankfully, that stupid profile Ben and Kit commented about is gone.

Dusty is back. Or not, her "profile could not be found". ???
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday July 31, 2012, 6:38 pm

Welcome to "As Care2 Turns," Jelica! (And be sure to tune in for tomorrow's melodrama.)

LOL!

 

Jelica R. (157)
Tuesday July 31, 2012, 6:49 pm
BTW, I like this suggestion:

Just C.; Thursday July 19, 2012, 10:10 pm

"This may be a little off-topic . . . BUT (and yet, another one) . . .

I have sometimes felt that, in order to develop empathy, Care2 employees should be required to post a highly controversial article (under a pseudonym), and personally experience the subtle (and not-so-subtle) attacks that posters face in C2NN.

I came to this conclusion after being, repeatedly, advised to "ignore" the person (which is hard to do when they travel in a pack and are, basically, taking control of the thread), and the final judgment as to what is acceptable or unacceptable is made based upon selective flags submitted from the pack. ..."

We can all tell how brutally were some remarkable care2 members attacked by a pack. Flagging those ad hominem attacks seldom helps, more often ATTACKED members were banned, thus they have been violated twice - first by a pack and then by care2 admins. No wonder they decided to leave care2. Who wouldn't? 'Cmon, admins, be FAIR. Check the context first.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday July 31, 2012, 7:09 pm

Thank you for that, Jelica. You are a valued friend and member of this site we both love.

Yes, I'm still saddened by the unjust suspensions of valued Care2 members, who were beset upon by packs of other members who thought differently . . . but NO SUBSTANTIVE INVESTIGATION by Care2 was ever done. The totality of all remarks was never reviewed. And, most heinously, in many cases, an algorithm of "X amount of flags = robotic suspension" was used.

Yeah, I'm still mad about it.

Since when does a site promoting "19,951,639 members doing good!" not instruct their customer service personnel to exercise caution and respect before suspending members . . . or WORSE, robotically suspend them, without human review????

 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday July 31, 2012, 7:25 pm

Does the use of "drones" (robotic algorithms) make the act of suspending members, without human review, less cruel?

It's certainly less diplomatic . . . or democratic . . . or fair . . . or "caring."


 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday July 31, 2012, 8:04 pm

So true Jelica, ignore the troll is far easier to say then to do, especially those who travel in packs or when one person follows to nearly everything another person submits. Differing ideas or personal opinions are one issue, attacking the person who submits the article or constantly trying to subvert the issue up for discussion is another.

Investigate? Carole that presumes that anyone cares!
 

Jelica R. (157)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 4:23 pm
Kit, you can ignore trolls. We tried and sometimes succeeded. Problem is - they don't ignore (let's be frank here) when a person of Jewish origin criticize Israeli politics. I remember a case, about a year and a half ago, when two persons harassed Margaret. It was and older tread and nobody followed comments any more, so they landed on and started most brutal attack I've ever seen here. I stumbled upon it by checking comments after I've been away for a while. You know Margaret, she always replied on a comment with well founded arguments, and so she did. I tried to avert some pressure from Margaret by posting my comments but bullies completely ignored me. Like I didn't post anything at all. It felt surreal. I understood that my opinion doesn't matter at all, I'm just another shiksa, while Margaret is another case, as a Jew she must be blind for Israeli misdoings. Later, I used to come here at least once a week just to check Margaret's posts if I didn't have time for more. Those two bullies followed Margaret for months. Now, Margaret has left, but they are here, going strong with the pack of 6 or 7 other regulars. It's a shame.

David Buchan had similar treatment whenever he posted about atheism. He left care2.

Being on and off from care2 lately, I don't know what happened, but I miss Mary, John, Locan, Frank... to name just a few other valuable members who are not on my friends list anymore or have not posted or commented for quite a while. It is sad, and unnecessary. With better administrating bulling can be expelled from care2 and membership rules will be upheld.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 4:31 pm
Ahem, let's see how long will it take for that comment to disappear.
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 4:51 pm

I know what comments you mean. I reported them...I dunno how many times. Margaret was told she should move to Pakistan so her children would see how horrible she is...I know, stupid. She has been called names for doing nothing more then speaking the FACTS. This is also the person who posted then at her work site, that she is a bully. Needless, to say that Margaret's work site removed those items and has blocked that person. Is it being a bully to reply to comments with just FACTS? Margaret did not retaliate against these attacks, she just kept on posting facts, actual historical facts, one after another. We know who did this, Care2 knows what was said many times to Margaret and more then a few times to myself. These people can make their points and not turn every article about Israel or Palestine into a mud fight.

Whether or not they understand this, but that "pack of attack dogs" actually reduces the public image of Israel; that this is the best that can stand as their defenders. People who spend their time using vicious attacks rather then attempting sane and reasonable discussions do not elevate the discussion, they reduce the discussion to nothing more then the play ground bullies they are.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 5:00 pm
Just one more; a warning note from admins would be in order for the first offense; and a very detailed description for a temporary or permanent suspension. This can be done by a message from the administrators shown when a suspended person tries to log in, so said person will know without doubt what is not tolerated on care2.

As it is, if I ever get suspended I can only guess what I did, whom I have offended, which rule did I break, is my suspension temporary or permanent... Punishment for unknown reasons with undefined punishment is too much Kafka and zero transparency. Not quite a desired outcome for parties involved.
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 5:11 pm

I fully agree with that as well. Just a note that explains exactly what was said or done that broke with policy. It does not require a long or detailed explanation but something that does not leave the person angry and frustrated.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 5:56 pm
Didn't see your comment, Kit, I was posting mine. That nut followed Margaret to her working site? Being a rational person, I don't relay on my gut feelings most of the times, but on that tread I had a clear red alert. Venom was literally dripping from every word he put there. Sinister and deeply disturbing. And yet, even as that tread was mentioned elsewhere by several persons, nothing was done by care2 to permanently ban that member so he and his pack could pick their next target. Then another one... Like truth and facts are irrelevant, spin doctors with their fairytales want to rule the world, and we should all submit? Hell, no! Never. "...we are many, they are few..."

 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 6:20 pm
 
Glad you noticed that too, Jelica.
 
Margaret Mayer was just one of many people who have been mob-attacked by a vicious group of Israel defenders, who will stop at nothing to have comments or members removed who question its government by flagging them en masse.
 
Just this past week, Kit posted an article -- Accusations of Jewish Self-Hatred and Anti-Semitism are a Strategy to Hide from One’s Self-Reflection -- written by a man who previously was deeply enmeshed in the pro-Israel movement; and, after deep introspection and research, realized that he was wrong about the Palestine situation and Zionists.  There is NOTHING hateful in the article, nor were any of the comments.
 
UNTIL . . .
 
Within one day of it going front page, the same group (easily identifiable) began hijacking that thread, pummeling the commenters, myself included, with insults and blatantly insulting Muslims.
 
NOTHING is ever done about them, despite flagging.
 
 
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 6:47 pm

The advice of "ignore the troll and flag them" is only good if Care2 admin responds to the flags -- which they don't!

Then, with no other protection, the person being harassed is left to fend off the bullies alone.

Terms of Service and Code of Conduct are only meaningful if they are evenly applied!

 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 7:04 pm

They are not fairly nor equally applied.

About flagging SPAM...I knew there was something about that bugging me. These days I don't flag anything but SPAM, I already know that nothing will be done with THE other comments. I don't know if this happens to others, but many times when I flag SPAM the "Submit" just doesn't react. Things have gone fairly well till now, though it is only Wednesday, and so I followed the new SPAM and did try to FLAG it - no go. I must admit, I'm a little fearful when flagging SPAM, wondering it that may cause all of my comments to be removed, again.
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 7:10 pm

ROFLMAO -- But not at you, Kit . . . Just cuz it's true.

Kit, you've been unfairly (and without documentation of fault, like most of us) been suspended . . . THEN, your account disappeared (months ago) . . . NOW, the entire history of your comments has been deleted (from Day One of your membership)!

If I were you, I'd be skeered too!

(Luv ya, girl . . . and you know that.)

 

Jelica R. (157)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 7:16 pm
I SO did noticed that. I have to be brain-death not to notice a cold-bladed execution performed right in front of me, publicly, and recorded for further reference. Yet, it passed by care2 admins - unnoticed. What can I say? This world is an infinite source of wonders for me.

I've read the article Kit posted, as well as all comments, but didn't commented. I wonder - how in a world could anybody come with comments so utterly off-topic? Are they on auto-pilot, is it some deeply ingrained sub-conscious command to respond in such manner; spiting, labeling and insulting; on everything "Israel"?
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It is pretty obvious that pack keep an eye on the front page for selected post topics and, that is disturbing, they stalk on few members here, their posts and maybe, even search the site for the selected members' comments so they can bully them. In a real world you can get a court order to keep bullies away. Here you can rely on your friends to distract some assaults. As I mentioned before, it doesn't always work. That is why we have site ADMINS here, right?

I guess.

Maybe.

Or not.
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 7:32 pm

Yeah, I know.

It's like calling 9-1-1 and getting no response.

(But, somehow, certain people do.)

 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 7:33 pm

I know, I'll design a character and this time I will be the stalker! (listen you can hear the "Jaws" music playing) I know the technique by now, let's just call it "snipe and run".
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 7:40 pm

Why not?

After all, the spammers have -- admittedly -- evaded Care2 radar . . . and stalkers can create multiple ID's (and not be noticed, even when pointed out and flagged).

But, honestly . . . I don't want to duplicate behavior I already despise.

 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 7:52 pm

Thinking about that . . . Here's another thought.

Care2, do all these "multiple personalities" use the same email account? If so, why isn't that questioned at the creation of the second account?

(And, yes, I DO understand that free email accounts are easily available, with little verification -- kinda like a Care2 account.)

 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 8:21 pm

Easy enough for these many stalkers, to take the lap top or ipad, or even a nook to a Starbucks or the library, create a new email and then a new ID on Care2. Suddenly a new IP and they are back in business. I don't think the SPAM needs to bother with all of that. I figure that is mostly done by a server maybe even in China and they just shove it out there. However, my constant stalker probably does evade detection by doing something sleazy like that. Though once detected and reported, he should be removed. That goes way beyond Free Speech. Stalking is stalking, whether on the Internet or on the streets and it is a direct violation of my rights. As for our Care2 bullies or "barking mad dogs" they should get the same treatment, they pass all boundaries of decency.

(my sincere apologies to all dogs)
 

Jelica R. (157)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 8:58 pm
Dogs are nice, Kit. They'll understand.
 

Kit B. (276)
Wednesday August 1, 2012, 9:18 pm

Dogs are nice, Jelica too nice to be compared with the people in question here.
Everyone knows who they are, that they are bonkers, don't deserve any more civil treatment then they give. yet, Most of us do treat them with a degree of civility, I guess we just don't care to be a part of that element of pond scum.
 
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