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Raped, Pregnant and Ordeal Not Over...The Rights of A Rapist!


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Kit
- 735 days ago - cnn.com
It would not be long before I would learn firsthand that in the vast majority of states -- 31 -- men who father through rape are able to assert the same custody and visitation rights to their children that other fathers enjoy.



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Kit B. (276)
Monday August 27, 2012, 2:46 pm
See also the video at Visit Site.


When I was in law school, my criminal law professor introduced us to the crime of rape by reading us a quote from Lord Chief Justice Sir Matthew Hale, a 17th-century English jurist: "In a rape case it is the victim, not the defendant, who is on trial."

It was not merely a history lesson. I had lived it.

While a student in my final year of college, at age 21, I was raped. I have dissected that moment -- the horrifying moment that I became a "victim" -- from every possible angle. I have poked and prodded, examined and re-examined. Regrettably, I have even suspected myself in a desperate, ultimately futile attempt to understand how I became a victim.


Shauna PrewittBut blaming myself was neither my idea nor my first inclination. I thought such 17th-century notions were long dead. I was wrong. People who did not even know me were quick to comment or speculate on my rape. What were you wearing? Did you scream loudly? Did this occur in public?

'Legitimate rape' reaction, from the Congo to black crickets

As my history lesson said, I found myself on trial, facing the most fierce judge and jury: ignorance.



Defiant Akin still in Senate race

Rep. Akin's controversial claims Eight years after my rape, I find myself on trial against ignorance again. Rep. Todd Akin's recent comments that "legitimate rape" rarely results in pregnancy not only flout scientific fact but, for me, cut deeper. Akin has de-legitimized my rape.

You see, nine months after my rape, I gave birth to a beautiful little girl. You could say she was conceived in rape; she was. But she is also so much more than her beginnings. I blissfully believed that after I finally had decided to give birth to and to raise my daughter, life would be all roses and endless days at the playground. I was wrong again.

It would not be long before I would learn firsthand that in the vast majority of states -- 31 -- men who father through rape are able to assert the same custody and visitation rights to their children that other fathers enjoy. When no law prohibits a rapist from exercising these rights, a woman may feel forced to bargain away her legal rights to a criminal trial in exchange for the rapist dropping the bid to have access to her child.

Opinion: Wake up, it's not just Akin

When faced with the choice between a lifetime tethered to her rapist or meaningful legal redress, the answer may be easy, but it is not painless. For the sake of her child, the woman will sacrifice her need to see her once immensely powerful perpetrator humbled by the court.

I know it because I lived it. I went to law school to learn how to stop it.

Having fought this injustice for the past several years, I have come to believe that ignorance is to blame for this legal absence. Opponents argue no woman would ever choose to raise the child she conceived through rape. The only two studies to analyze the choices made by pregnant raped women indicate otherwise -- at least 30% of women who conceive by rape make this choice.

Others argue that no rapist would ever seek parental rights. Not only does my experience and that of others I know prove otherwise, but it is not surprising that a man who cruelly degrades a woman would also seek to torture her in an even more agonizing way, by seeking access to her child.

Today, it seems we may face a new and unbelievable challenge: convincing legislators that women can conceive when they are raped.

iReport: 'Rape is rape'

Make no mistake, my efforts and the efforts of others to persuade legislators to pass laws restricting the parental rights of men who father through rape will be directly impacted by Akin's recent comments. Whether these efforts will be helped or hurt, however, depends upon us as a society.

Either we will fight ignorance and take steps to legislate for raped women based upon reason and facts, or we will be led by ignorance and continue to make bad laws. Or fail to make good ones.
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Editor's note: Shauna R. Prewitt is a lawyer in Chicago. She is the author of "Giving Birth to a 'Rapist's Child': A Discussion and Analysis of the Limited Legal Protections Afforded to Women Who Become Mothers Through Rape," written for the Georgetown Law Journal.

 

Kit B. (276)
Monday August 27, 2012, 2:51 pm

My thanks to Cher for sending me this story.

As horrible as it is to read, we must read and learn. Men that commit rape are committing an act of violence, this is not about sex, but a violent fantasy of power and control lived out through a victim. That any state would allow these men to even know that a child was the result of such an act of violence is bad enough, but then to allow them a right to visitation? This country is completely, off the wall crazy!
 

Vicky P. (463)
Monday August 27, 2012, 3:07 pm
crazy, what kind of idiots would give these kinds of rights to a rapist, you hurt someone and damage them mentally for the rest of their lives, and you get a child and the rights of a parent out of it, disgusting.
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday August 27, 2012, 3:13 pm

Think about it - the rapist must be in jail or come forward and admit to committing a crime. Question: Will this SOB ever pay a penny of child support? Who will pay for the transport of the mother and child to the prison? Is there any decency or even a touch of logic in any of this?

Interesting that a woman that makes a choice for her own life to either use birth control or have an abortion is condemned and now in many states subject to unnecessary - forced medical procedures. Yet, the man that caused a pregnancy from rape is free to claim parental rights?
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday August 27, 2012, 4:26 pm
Time for more female legislators, this is unacceptable. It shows once more there is nothing more injust than the US justice system. Get rid of those old jerks, many of them seem to be pervs, I think.
 

Gene Jacobson (251)
Monday August 27, 2012, 4:41 pm
"Today, it seems we may face a new and unbelievable challenge: convincing legislators that women can conceive when they are raped."

I know this is true as insane as it is. But if EVER there were a case for terminating parental rights at birth this should be that circumstance. It should be a freely provided pro forma order, signed in chambers, as paternity matters are confidential by law in most states, and then the record sealed such that the rapist never have a chance to learn of the birth or find the mother and child. That any woman should be forced to bargain for no visitation by allowing a sociopath to go free is against any system or code of justice this world has ever used. I know Justice is blind, but she's not also deaf and without mercy. Any prosecutor who would be party to such a deal should be disbarred. And laws should be enacted to prevent this situation from ever arising again. I hope this young woman with her legal education and horrific experience can be the point of that spear. Even it if need travel through bodies of fools like Todd Akin and Paul Ryan.
 

Craig Pittman (45)
Monday August 27, 2012, 4:48 pm
This is beyone belief. What the hell kind of legal system permits something like this to occur. I just can't find the words to expess how repugnant this is to me.
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Monday August 27, 2012, 4:58 pm
Thanks for this article.
 

Stan B. (124)
Monday August 27, 2012, 5:12 pm
Rapists should have no rights anywhere under any circumstances. If this is the law then the law has to be changed................ yesterday!!!
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday August 27, 2012, 5:18 pm

Thanks for your comments and Stan I fully agree, the law in these states or any where else that allows more victimization of any one by the criminal is just plain wrong.
 

Yvonne White (231)
Monday August 27, 2012, 6:53 pm
Well, you gotta figure that almost ALL the Lawmakers, Police, Judges, & Lawyers are Men - and men know better than women about these things.. NOT!!!! For pity sakes, how many more Centuries will it take for Women to grow a pair - and then Castrate 'em??? IF "the Law" can allow Rapists parental rights, next it might decide pedophiles should get to have "play dates" so They won't feel left out..this is just too sickening..:(
 

Val R. (239)
Monday August 27, 2012, 7:11 pm
No rapists should have rights = and yes - should pay child support - maybe then they might think twice -
 

pam w. (191)
Monday August 27, 2012, 7:55 pm
"I know it because I lived it. I went to law school to learn how to stop it."

++++++++++++++What an amazing woman! I salute her! Unfortunately, the vast majority of women would never have the strength and resources to do this. Imagine how many lives are destroyed by the legal system's attitude that a rapist has a "right" to see his child?

Ah, the compassionate, caring, CHRISTIAN Republicans.......soooo concerned with the "rights" of a blob of tissue and soooooo sanctimonious in ignoring the rights and circumstances of an adult woman's life.

 

Kit B. (276)
Monday August 27, 2012, 8:06 pm

I think the rapist has rights! The right to spend the rest of his miserable days in a cell with Bubba and his buddies. Get real a man who rapes has no real interest beyond continuing to make that woman his victim and the system is aiding and abetting a criminal.
 

pam w. (191)
Monday August 27, 2012, 8:09 pm
And so it often is with rape, isn't it? Women are put on trial....women end up with the shame and fear and the men (wink, wink) walk away to do it again.
 

Susanne R. (249)
Monday August 27, 2012, 11:41 pm
As I read this article, I couldn't help but think about the way the Republican party is whittling away at women's rights, and blatantly so. What this strong and courageous woman has been put through should give us the incentive we need to change the status quo. This November, we all have to get out and vote for the candidates who support women's rights!
 

Jenny Dooley (830)
Monday August 27, 2012, 11:44 pm
Thank you Kit. What a nightmare!!!
 

wendy webber (28)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 3:10 am
In an earlier post concerning the comment by Aiken, I said "just when I think I cannot hear anything more stupid and ignorant, I do"...Well, here is another story that simply makes my blood boil.Convincing legislators etc...that women can conceive during the act of rape??????? I find it difficult to believe that anyone with an ounce of sense and basic knowledge of biology could even contemplate that a women could NOT conceive during the act of rape??? It is simple biology...sperm meets egg at the "right time" and viola.To me this seems to be just another shot at "smoke and mirrors"...let's side step the issue why don't we?Then to further accentuate that women are still chattel, they have to battle dropping charges or be harassed by a "father wanting his parental rights"?????? OMG.......this is just so unbelievably wrong. I can't wrap my head around one single part of this BS. Prosecuting rapists is difficult enough, I know I have been a victim and an advocate at a Rape Crisis Center. So many times, I felt like telling a victim...don't bother to press charges..the "win rate" is very low and,of course, the D.A. won't take on the case unless they think they can win it. Now, garbage like this is thrown into the mix? I agree with her assessment that ignorance abounds.I suppose if we are kept so bogged down trying to attain our basic rights to humane and fair treatment, we might not pose such a threat in other areas.People in charge, never give up their positional power, it has to be taken. I commend this woman's attempt to change the ways things are and shed light on this topic.I never in my wildest ideas ever thought a rapist would have ANY parental rights......too many thoughts running through my mind right now about how wrong all of this is...once again, punished for being born female. This election is critical on so many levels...how about just fundamental human rights??????
 

marie Taylor clarke (166)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 4:33 am
As long as a man is proven in a court of law that he is a rapist he should have no rights what so ever over the child.
The problem is if he is not legally proven I know its a fine line unless the police kit is used on the woman immediately in UK.
It is a truly dreadful situation if you have to hand a child over to a rapist
 

Bob P. (426)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 6:27 am
wow hard to believe they would allow this thanks for the info
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 7:01 am
Well according to Atkin, and the others who think like him, that if she conceived then she truly wasn't raped. For if she was raped her body would not of conceived this baby. Therefore she must have made up the rape charges and therefore she truly "asked for it", so the Father wasn't really a rapist "wink wink" so he should have full rights to the child.

Well isn't this convenient for the men. Now we women in the USA are heading down the slippery slope of women being "soiled" if they are raped and therefore must, in some Countries, take their own life to spare the disgrace to their family or be stonned to death in other Countries.

The American Taliban is here......Keep them in Check ladies, or they'll be passing other laws forbiding you to drive, leave your home without a male chaparone, so on and so forth. Don't laugh, this is how the slow creep comes in. Would you of even thought that in 2012 that we'd have those in power wanting to take away your rights to even obtaining birth control?
 

Beverly M. (85)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 7:17 am
Thank you for sharing this Kit. It's all about control ~ first you're raped, then you decide to keep the baby fathered in this violent crime and then the torture continues the rest of your life as he is allowed to "be a father" to that child, a constant torture that eats away at you, no getting on with your life, oh no because you have that constant reminder of how that beautiful child was conceived because he's there to be a father. This is so infuriating!
 

Phillipa W. (199)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 9:37 am
from what I understand about the US, it seems no matter what kind of man he is, unless he's a drug addict then the line from people tends to be "it's his right to be a father". Even babies are expected to be dropped off at dad's place! While I am pro-choice, it seems many people's reaction to a pregnancy is "you're too young", "money isn't the best at the moment", "can't take time off work", "have 2 years till graduation" etc so abortion is seen as the solution just like that. Woman is upset with the father and wants to split, well woe betide her for being upset - if she was going to know this would happen she shouldn't have opened her legs. As for rape, I feel the same way - it's a mother's choice. No woman should have to abort just because the baby is a child of rape just as no woman should be denied the choice.

Fathers need to be backed off. If a couple can't come to an arrangement without the courts deciding every little aspect because a relationship isn't working then maybe it's not the best that they're so involved? And as for rape, well this is shocking to say the least. But sadly with what I've seen, it's not surprising. It seems to be this way in cases where the man has abused even his own children. That they would do this to a rape victim definitely needs to change. And she should not have had to have become a lawyer to fight her own battle in this - there should never have been a battle. How such a man can be seen as safe and beneficial for the child's well-being is beyond me. The hurt to this child's mother would more than erase whatever benefit he could possibly bring to this child. And I have my doubts as to just what benefit that could even be.
 

Ge M. (217)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 10:20 am
The true definition of rape is if the victim said no. It does not matter what she was wearing or if she was drunk,, high on drugs or a prostitute - no means no.

Rape charges, without a rape kit, can be brought later in the UK and a trial held. The problem with a trial is that it is by a jury of your peers. People without training or understanding sit and listen to a series of experts and witnesses to try to understand what is happening. Many won't convict because it could be them, he has a sweet face or even that the victim wears too much make up.

I would say that girls sometimes do not truly understand that some men do not have any self control nor will they allow themselves to stop. Girls need to be aware of this and make sure that they have company on the way home or use a properly licenced cab.Some men are predators, have mental health issues or even been abused themselves as children and are working their way up to become a murderer. Most are just selfish people without self control. It is not the girl's fault.

Now, there are many morons, especially in America, who do not have the faintest idea of medicine or science - you voted them in!! Of course a girl/woman will fall pregnant if it is the right time in her cycle. Now, most states still believe that the men have rights over women. In California a man may see his children BEFORE it has been determined that it would not harm them. Any intelligent person (lets out judges and politicians) should know that, someone who has committed a violent and abusive crime, is not a fit person to be in a child's life and that means that there should be no visitation rights - ever. Then allow the abusive person to haggle the right to justice away, and you have the American injustice system.

The major problem is that many people still see rape as the woman's fault. She must have been wearing inappropriate clothing, said something, did something so it is her fault. The victim, embarrassed by the intrusive and abusive method required for police investigation (& the UK is better at it than the US) often cannot cope so doesn't tell anyone. Rape is always a case where the victim is guilty unless proven innocent. In England, a pregnant woman (even a rape victim) was a whore and unfit to associate with decent people. She'd lose her job and family, often having to turn to prostitution to support herself. She could be put into a mental institution. Women in the" better part" of societ had to keep her reputation pure otherwise she was damaged goods so she would be hemmed around with servants etc to ensure that she was marrageable goods. As yet, this is still the attitude. Living with someone is still regarded as shameful.

I applaud anyone who feels that they should continue with pregnancy, after being rape,d and Shauna is a wonderful example of how to do it in style. I wish her much joy in her daughter and I am sure that she will turn out to be a strong an independant woman, like her mother.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 10:26 am

Personally, I would take this issue even farther, there are far too men that earn very decent money and refuse to pay their child-support. I know because I lived this and made a choice to not send the father of my children to jail, as in reality that is a one or two slap on the wrist and nothing changes. Men who are not paying child support do not deserve to spend time with children, unless they are unemployed. Men who have shown violence toward their wife or children, should not be allowed unsupervised visits with their children. Rapists should not ever know they fathered a child. And.... a woman should not be condemned for either deciding to have that child or deciding that they can not have that child. The law on these issues is a complete mess and needs to change to deal with the real situations of real life, not some idealized fairy-tale.
 

Debra Van Way (12)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 2:14 pm
Last time I checked, it is very difficult for a rapist to get visiting rights to a child they fathered through rape when they are too busy taking a well deserved dirt nap in a secluded location.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 2:20 pm

Unless the woman is murdered there is no death penalty for rape, not even in the state of the highest rate of Death Penalty - here in TEXAS. Keep in mind that when Akin spoke he could have been any one of many in Texas that believe that nonsense.
 

valda p. (13)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 3:04 pm
Most raped -victims would have chosen -not to have the baby as it would be a constant reminder of the -rape ,but this brave young woman decided otherwise and grew to love this little person growing inside her,rape is about -power and this low life wants to continue his grip on her,why should she have to face him and pretend for the childs sake he is -daddy,the very sight of him would bring back all the trauma of that horrific attack-did he go to jail?this disgusting -man made law has to be changed.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 4:04 pm
Thanks Kit--great post.
 

Ray M. (0)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 4:29 pm
Rapists should have no rights.
 

Marie W. (65)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 8:27 pm
Public castration is my solution.
 

pam w. (191)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 8:36 pm
TELEVISED? Yeah!
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 8:36 pm

I can live with that!
 

Caitlin Mac Iver (103)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 10:51 pm
I'm really stunned and my heart aches over this issue. Because of mere physiology and the mental/emotional differences between men and women, I don't believe men (the lawmaker-majority in this country) will ever truly understand why rape is so devastating. Men who respond as Craig P. did here are rare...and I'm thankful for such a response. To have a rapist invade a woman's whole life because of something over which she had no control is beyond comprehension. The rights and wishes of the child are complex as well.. Under no circumstances should the rapist's wishes be allowed to take ANY precedence over the wishes of the woman whose body and mind he invaded. To allow this is cruel and unusual treatment of the VICTIM! Apparently that's the American way unless we work to get this kind of law overturned in every state of the union. Thanks, Kit, for bringing forth one more atrocity that America has offered its citizens.
 

Caitlin Mac Iver (103)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 11:03 pm
I'm afraid the form of my thanks to Kit could be misunderstood as a criticism of her bringing this issue forth. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am very glad Kit brought this forth because it is something I really had not given any thought to. I never imagined that this country would allow such a scenario to be possible. I am thankful to know about this because it is only through facing the ugly parts of our existence that we can turn toward the light. The time has come to make that turn. Thanks again, Kit.
 

Esther Z. (101)
Tuesday August 28, 2012, 11:27 pm
I'm speechless. I was totally unaware there are 31 states that deem the rights of the rapist as more important to that of that victim. Can you imagine what would happen if a woman is raped by a stalker, becomes pregnant, and for whatever personal reasons decided to keep the child? The stalker, by definition already an unstable person, would had legal rights to visitation and could forcefully be part of the child's and the victim's life. That scenario would be a living nightmare to the rape victim. Now, add to this scenario the possibility of a federal law, like Paul Ryan's Personhood Admendment, making it unlawful to seek an abortion even in cases of rape and incest, and FORCING the victim to conceive a rapist's child? If the Repugs have their way, rape victims would be stripped away of their civil, legal and reproductive rights, not to mention their dignity and their self respect. It's just plain wrong; legally and morally wrong!
 

Antonia Windham (6)
Wednesday August 29, 2012, 12:11 am
Ridiculously unfair to put a rape victim in a position to be blackmailed by her rapist. Drop the charges, reduce the charges - or he's going to assert his fatherly rights. And I'm of the belief the only contact a child should have with his mother's rapist is appearing at the scum's parole hearing to request the parole board keep him locked up 'til hell freezes over.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Wednesday August 29, 2012, 12:13 am
I am speechless Thanks Kit
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Wednesday August 29, 2012, 12:18 am
what rights does he have? NONE IN MY OPINION
 

Marie Therese Hanulak (30)
Wednesday August 29, 2012, 3:53 am
Akin is a loser and a total idiot. surely no one in their right mind can take what he said seriously.
I don't know about the states, bu here in Canada, rapists go to jail.
 

john byrne (52)
Wednesday August 29, 2012, 3:55 am

TRY HIM FIRST THEN HANG HIM.
 

Ge M. (217)
Wednesday August 29, 2012, 9:12 am
Actually Caitlin, you are wrong, the vast majority of men would react along the lines of Craig but most would not say so. Men can only talk about a few subjects, cars, sport, beer, belching and, occasionally, IT. Just because most men do not talk about rape and the appalling abuses that the lack of justice system in America deals in does not mean that they do not agree with Craig.
 

Patricia H. (468)
Wednesday August 29, 2012, 9:26 am
noted, thanks for posting-VOTE
 

Seda A. (4)
Thursday August 30, 2012, 2:58 am
awful... thanks.
 

tasunka m. (334)
Thursday August 30, 2012, 9:29 am
the gop would love us to break out the Burkas,and have no rights,no say, and no freedom (especially sexual)
if a rapists has more rights than his victim than pigs fly and eagles oink...this is so bass ackwards!!!!
and yes,maybe child support,although I wouldn't want a penny from someone like that; dirty money
and Visitation?????They really are crazy,what rape victim coerced into keeping a child of a pervert wants that child to visit and possibly admire the person who victimized their mom,and a country who would allow it to happen without impunity?
 

Patrick Donovan (319)
Thursday August 30, 2012, 10:54 am
Thanks for bringing up this horrible situation. I agree with Craig and most of the comments here (I disagree with any comment that a woman is at fault or that there are any extenuating circumstances. Women are too important not to take full rights for themselves. Men must recognize that equal means equal (as well as "no means no" and that incapacity is not saying yes).

Most of all, we all need to get out and vote for representatives who reflect our views; plus encourage friends and family to do the same.
 

Gina Caracci (231)
Thursday August 30, 2012, 11:10 am
Well isnt it the mission of family court, to keep the parents in the childrens life? Doesnt matter if the parent is abusive, neglectful, or shows absolutely no affection, compassion or empathy. Doesnt matter if they dont pie a penny in support. If the 'parent' is biological they have rights.
I thought the point of family court was to determine what was in the best interest of the child? Nope, not anymore, Money, power influence, payoffs and idiots politicans, laws and judges are whats allowing rapists to see their 'offspring' and to continue to rape and torture the childs mother over and over until the child is18. Now if this happened to a man, we wouldnt even be talking about this.
but hey! Im sorry, LEGITIMATE RAPES DONT PRODUCE CHILDREN! Silly me!
 

Edith B. (142)
Thursday August 30, 2012, 10:03 pm
Rapists should be behind bars for life, and should never have access to a child they fathered by rape!
 

Jytte Nhanenge (64)
Thursday August 30, 2012, 11:35 pm
I recall watching this old movie where a female medical doctor, whose daughter was raped and killed, started a group of women who caught rapists, drugged, and castrated them - all done under clean, hygienic, and proper medical circumstances. I am not for violence in any form, however, increasingly women have less and less space for justice, so perhaps we can end rapist in this rather peaceful way???
 

Vivien Green (150)
Friday August 31, 2012, 8:57 am
This is outrageous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who instituted the laws in these states I guess it was mostly men.
Rape is a heinous crime and the man who Fathers a child by this violent act has already forfeited any rights to access. Shames on any state that upholds this law!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Aster C Linn (4)
Sunday September 2, 2012, 2:40 am
Underlying every (outward) effect, or symptom of disease, there is a specific cause. Yet how many women know what caused the denial of any form of social, civil, or religious rights to women in America (and around the world) until the late 19th century? The (albeit false) idea - believe it or not - that the "first, primitive woman - made out of the first man's rib* (*i.e., his "possession") - willfully and disobediently ate the (non-existent) fruit of a (non-existent) tree, and, in so doing caused the downfall of all mankind*" (*and deserved to be punished - ad infinitum). Don't believe this (now, deeply-ingrained) idea is the underlying cause of the (still prevailing) gender-inequality, wage-gap, discrimination, debasement, second-class citizenship, victimization, harassment, violence against and (psychological, emotional, physical and sexual) abuse of women (and girls) worldwide? To prove it to (or for) yourself ask any man whether he believes that the first woman (Eve) ate a forbidden fruit...and see what he has to say. PS: extraordinarily enough, this story* was told to the Pygmy people of the Ituri Forest in the Congo first, that is, thousands of years before it appeared in the Book of Genesis, which provides irrefutable proof of how deeply it was initially ingrained on a psychical (and "collective unconscious") level. NB: *not written by Christians, it is vital to note that the Garden of Eden story has essentially nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity. Last point...the Efe Pygmy elders claim that this story was "told" to their ancestors by a tall, elderly, purportedly barbaric; brutal and cruel, white-skinned "god." And as I am presently in the process of writing a book about "who" this (non-mythical) "god" may have been and about the true Garden of Eden story as a whole - which will (also) prove that the first, primitive woman ate no fruit! At long last the "ground" that has been used to (wrongfully, unlawfully, and criminally) punish women (and girls) for thousands of years, will be wiped out, and no man on the planet will be able to (consciously or unconsciously) use it as an "excuse" (or reason) for (daring to) infringe upon or violate the inalienable; God-given rights of women (and girls) any longer!

Your signing of my petition to help the women of South Africa (and all women worldwide) is much appreciated. Thank you.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Sunday September 2, 2012, 6:14 am
Aster, do you have a link to your petition you mention above. I do not see it listed.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Sunday September 2, 2012, 10:57 am
The hotlink to Asters petition is below.....please consider signing for this important cause.
Help Women of South Africa Who Are Being Murdered
I signed.

 

Lois Jordan (55)
Sunday September 2, 2012, 7:29 pm
Absolutely horrendous. There's no other word for it. One problem we have is too many women complicit in agreeing with these American Taliban men. I've raised my sons to respect women. No means No. Ladies, it's up to us to flip this patriarchal society and call out these bully tactics. Many Congresswomen took the floor of the House to stand up to them, and we must support them all in any and every way we can.
 

pam w. (191)
Sunday September 2, 2012, 7:54 pm
"Complicit in agreement...."

LOIS....that's BRILLIANTLY said! Far too many of us are good OBEDIENT women....doing what we're TOLD to do!

NOBODY knows how we vote, once we're in the booth!

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER! And do NOT sell out yourselves and your sisters to the Republicans!
 

Rachel J. (0)
Monday September 3, 2012, 12:25 pm
sick and twisted laws you have to live by. made by shady politicians with ridiculous ignorance, on show to the world. the world laughs at them! (uk)
 

Aster C Linn (4)
Monday September 3, 2012, 12:55 pm
What very few (oppressed, suppressed and victimized) women in America appear to realize is that the law of the majority(?) of states incorporates a law against UNLAWFUL TOUCHING. Let alone being manhandled or violated by a socially-undisciplined (criminal) madman. And, moreover, allows for a woman to DEFEND herself against an aggressor, without the duty to retreat. Which raises the question...how many American woman KNOW how to defend themselves? And/or carry a (licensed) firearm with which to do so if necessary? Or, women everywhere, have you been "programmed" to believe you have no choice (or right) to DEFEND yourselves against assault and battery, rape, or the (potential or actual) loss of your lives?
 

Aster C Linn (4)
Monday September 3, 2012, 12:59 pm
PS: let every (taxpayer employed) MP, government body or government official, know that "rapists" (like every other common criminal) have "no rights!"
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday September 3, 2012, 1:12 pm

Therefore, a woman who is raped is partly at fault for not either knowing or physically being able to fight off the attack or not carrying a fire arm? Like your "argument" in defense of Ayn Rand - a poor excuse for a writer and even less defensible excuse for human flesh, this too is a ridiculous discussion about rape. Do not attempt to blame the victim, there is no defense for a rapist.

Should a man face a mugging and decide to quietly hand over his wallet, his is lauded as a smart character for saving his own skin in the face of potential danger. There should be no second standard for a woman - other than this - it is not her money the rapist is after, nor sex - the rapist has the goal of control and violence.

The only thing about Ayn Rand that is note worthy is that with the assistance of her husband (truly a long suffering man, architect Frank O'Connor) she was able to publish. She was not right about either her warped philosophy of life, her ideas about altruism, nor was she even a good writer. In her own life she did not live up to the standards of either her fiction or non-fiction work and lacked even the ability to admit when she was just wrong. After all the talk -- she did in fact turn to both Social Security and Medicare.
 

Aster C Linn (4)
Monday September 3, 2012, 1:53 pm
Ab Ovo (L. from the egg, from the beginning). Imagine the baby-boys who became young adults, men (and fathers) AT WAR with the women who gave birth to them? Can you imagine anything sicker, or more insane, than that?! And WHO started it? WHO is not only behind this diabolical state of affairs, but also instrumental in promoting and sustaining it? Or, as important, how much longer can THIS way of thinking, speaking and acting be permitted (by women) to persist? And where (if a stop is not put to it to NOW) is it going to end?

If you've ever heard the phrase, "Stop the world, I want to get off." You'll know it is time to stop (laughing about, dismissing or) making light of this war, and sit down and really think about it. (Bearing in mind that what harms, damages, or injures ONE; harms, damages, or injures ALL. Even if you, as a woman, have not (as yet?) been directly or personally (badly or ruinously) affected by it).

Thank you. All human beings have "limited lives" and the only time for (vital) change is the present; NOW! Not sometime in the far, distant (possibly non-existent) future.
 

Aster C Linn (4)
Monday September 3, 2012, 5:15 pm
Well said, Rachel J. Time everyone stopped allowing private citizen (taxpayer) employed other private (and often, very ordinary) citizens (with nothing much to speak of "upstairs") to DICTATE what their employers can, must, or cannot, must not do. Frankly, what I believe exists across the world right now, is a war of the people against governments! Something that the (taxpayer) employed private citizens concerned have yet to realise.
 

Aster C Linn (4)
Monday September 3, 2012, 5:28 pm
Does anyone know who owns the Care2 domain? And last word, as I have been working against the abuse of women for years, kindly see my videos in this regard, here:
http://youtu.be/-dvyKY6Kgbg
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday September 3, 2012, 5:37 pm

Yes, most of us that have been members of Care2 for a while do know who owns the domain.
 

Cher C. (1464)
Monday September 3, 2012, 5:43 pm


Thnx for posting this hun!

You cannot currently send a star to Kit because you have done so within the last week

 

Laurie Greenberg (11)
Tuesday September 4, 2012, 10:17 am
Shauna, you are a valiant woman and I, too, wish you joy with your daughter. I know that she will become like you- kind, caring, and strong!
 

Nancy C. (798)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 11:55 am
If rape is still up for discussion in the US, imagine how it is (and most of us are activists ) in the remote areas and the even more male dominated cultures.
Lest we forget, conception never happens during a rape...more GOP ignorance.
I'm with Craig. Words are difficult on this distorted and male dopified topic.
 

Aster C Linn (4)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 2:58 pm
Hello Nancy C.,
What really concerns me about the thinking of American, African, and every other woman (and girl) of any and every other nationality throughout the world, is that they don't seem to realize that "no one, whether male or female, has the right to TOUCH them - without their implicit and explicit CONSENT; and that rape is NOT a CIVIL but CRIMINAL offense! For God's sake, how many women (or girls) need to be raped; assaulted, battered, or murdered! for women (and girls) in the U.S. and around the world to REALIZE this?! Please, wake up all of you, and start taking (major) steps to fight-back; combat and outlaw the unlawful and criminal violation and abuse of YOUR "temples of the Holy Spirit," namely your physical forms!" And corresponding, inalienable; God-given rights! Or if you do not do so, as one, then you are actively telling men, in general, that whatever they do to you, or any other woman (or girl) is OK with you!
 

Aster C Linn (4)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 3:10 pm
And, please, as I have as much right as anyone else on this planet to express my thoughts (and opinions) without undue, uninvited and unwanted interference (see: Clause 19 - the Universal Declaration of Human Rights - here: http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#atop ).
Just as I respect your right to do so, kindly respect mine.
 

Aster C Linn (4)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 3:19 pm
I am hugely grateful to all the men (and one woman, namely: Eleanor Roosevelt of the U.S.) for the compilation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). Thank you and God Bless you. Without you, and others like you, there would only be (Human) Wrongs.
 

Kit B. (276)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 3:53 pm

I think we all are grateful for UDHR, the concept of human rights took a long time for people to begin to accept the idea.

As for the crime of rape, this is what happens when you have men feeling they have a right to make statements of political content, about something that is fully criminal. It's insensitive and often just cruel to toss around this topic for its' political value without understanding the depth of the human emotion involved.

 

Aster C Linn (4)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 4:28 pm
Are you speaking to me, Kit? If so, kindly have the courtesy to address me by name. PS: I was held at knife-point by robbers who broke into my home in the early hours of the morning (in March 2011) and was simply blessed not to have suffered (thanks to God) any further harm, other than the loss of my hard-earned laptop, mobile phone and other possessions. A beautiful friend was murdered by criminal madmen in February 2009. And my beloved, youngest sister died in August 2010, due to the years of abuse and neglect she suffered at the hands of a husband (who died) and so-called partner* (*she financially supported) who "supposedly loved her."
What more can I say? Give your (innocent) daughter all the unconditional love in the world, Kit. And be totally and completely healed. My wish for you.
 

Aster C Linn (4)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 4:42 pm
Time for all women to simply "assume" their inalienable; God-given rights. And neither accept ANY violation of their rights, nor "beg" any man to recognize and abide by them!
 

Aster C Linn (4)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 5:06 pm
Whatever it takes. I'm looking into what I call retroactive defense or attack, and the measures that need to be introduced and established in worldwide law, to completely dismiss any claims on the part of (socially-undisciplined; possibly psychopath or sociopath; criminally-minded) men, that any (fundamentally defenseless) woman, girl, or child - "asked for it" - (i.e., asked for the violation of their inalienable God-given, and/or constitutional rights, in any way, manner, or means, whatsoever!).
And PS: the day you ban "pornography" and pornographic websites will be the day you will all be freed of the indescribably harmful menace in your midst.
 

Aster C Linn (4)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 5:36 pm
Your signing of my petition to save the lives of any number of (mainly voiceless and helpless) women and girls worldwide is very much appreciated. Thank you.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/292/869/141/demand-life-sentences-for-south-african-men-convicted-of-initimate-femicide/
 
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