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Kit
- 684 days ago - militaryreligiousfreedom.org
Over 30,000 aggrieved MRFF clients have testified to the grim nature of the deluded Taliban-esque environment some have imposed, or sought to impose, on our servicemembers.



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Kit B. (276)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 12:38 pm

This is a short video and for those who do not know this group the Military Religious Freedom Foundation is dedicated to protecting the constitutional rights of all of the men and women of our military services. The right to worship or not is not to be abridged because one has made the choice to join the military.

****Please see video at Visit Site**********

Over 30,000 aggrieved MRFF clients have testified to the grim nature of the deluded Taliban-esque environment some have imposed, or sought to impose, on our servicemembers. By means of mandatory prayer ceremonies, fundamentalist indoctrination masquerading as training materials, and an environment that ostracizes all but the most zealous Evangelical Christians (among other foul methods of coercive proselytization), these forces have treacherously misused and abused all four major service branches as incubators for raising "God's Army" - to borrow their own perverse and twisted phrase.

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(8)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 1:37 pm
Is it not time that America stopped interfering in the polotics of other countries?
 

Roger Garin-michaud (68)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 2:18 pm
there are taliban-like persons in ALL religions.. so sad but true!
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 2:42 pm
I am speechless
 

Cheryl O. (82)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 3:55 pm
Very important info. TY for posting that's important for people to understand and realize.
 

(8)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 4:23 pm
Anyone voluntarily joining the US military is an idiot. Why volunteer to kill people for money?
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 5:32 pm

No Greg they are young in need of work and often idealistic, not idiots.
 

(8)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 6:46 pm
Young and idealistic? In need of work? Are you seriously suggesting that killing people for money is a sensible thing to do?
 

JL A. (275)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 8:50 pm
I hope there is a thorough investigation for who made these decisions
 

John Gregoire (258)
Monday December 10, 2012, 6:10 am
I think they we should fact check this story and get it from a more reliable source. While there are certainly religious proselytisers in every walk of life, the military specifically frowns on that behavior and does not allow religion as a topic of discussion in wardrooms, etc. At the same time every religion is provided for and services available for our military. I can't imagine them having the time or inclination to push their religious values on others. Perhaps this is a blown out of proportion story resulting from the actions of a few?
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday December 10, 2012, 8:15 am

Oh please do FACT CHECK this story. I have followed many articles by MRFF for years and checked each one so I certainly hope that others do the same. I may on occasion submit articles that are just fun or funny opinions but I do double check those that purport to be authentic. And...John that statement that military does not allow religious proselytizing is no longer correct, so please do some unbiased research. You might remember a time when chapels on a military base were built by the military for the use of those who made the choice to use them. That is no longer the case.
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday December 10, 2012, 8:28 am

Greg you are older and more worldly than the 17, 18 and 19 year old young people that believe they will learn a trade or get financing for education that would not be otherwise available to them. You also do not understand the long term, deeply in-grained belief that each person must be ready to die to defend his country. What I believe or agree with is far less relevant that what is believed by many young people. That may even know that ultimately they will be asked to kill, but time and the history of the world show how easy it is to make that acceptable.
 

(8)
Monday December 10, 2012, 9:05 am
'You also do not understand the long term, deeply in-grained belief that each person must be ready to die to defend his country" - No I do not. I would rather be hungry and homeless than kill a fellow human being.

"That may even know that ultimately they will be asked to kill, but time and the history of the world show how easy it is to make that acceptable." - You have got to be joking. Murder is not an acceptable occupation no matter how much propaganda your government can churn out.
 

(8)
Monday December 10, 2012, 9:07 am
"Defending" a country does not involve slaughtering people in countries far away. That is called war, not defence.
 

Theodore Shayne (56)
Monday December 10, 2012, 10:04 am
The economic conditions that lead us to war are always manufactured to profit the multi national corporations.
Rumsfeld told Gen. Clarke, Ret. back in 2002 that anyone who joined the military was stupid and had best die on the battlefield. War for the most part today is fought in the boardrooms and courts. Armed combat only comes into play when resources such as those in Darfur and other places are threatened by foreign powers such as the PRC or markets such as those in the Arab world remained closed to them and maximum short term profits.
Religion is a great way to control people. I have read a couple articles about this Evangelical Chiliasm manifesting its ugly head among the US forces. I believe that Fort Jackson [correct me if I'm wrong about the base] has a Christian training and retreat camp which all recruits are exhorted to join and convert. It really helps with advancement if you do. I've also read reports of religious discrimination in the field and combat zones too. This is the "religious" paradigm espoused and supported by Bush and Blair; both of whom are practicing Luciferians and use Christianity as a front. If there were viable jobs and education costs weren't through the roof; would intelligent young people be joining the military as they have done today? The constitutional standing army of the USA was to be a small, dedicated force designed for the nation's defense and not the hegemonic empire building being done by Corporations in the name of profit.
 

Joanne Dixon (40)
Monday December 10, 2012, 12:45 pm
John, living near one of the Academies, I can testify that keeping church and state separate in the Academy is a constant and losing battle. It wasn't like that when I was in the military either, but it has changed.
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Monday December 10, 2012, 1:28 pm
Much thanks for posting, Kit.
It seemed to me that this heavy evangelical faith fanaticism exploded during the Bush Regime. Dumsfeld even had bible scriptures engraved on his letterheads. Asscroft covered up statues in DC because they were....apparently "pornographic." There were even bible references cast...I think it was on bullets used by the military. In speeches, Bush even gave shady references to holy war. The frontal assault on Obama from even before Day One---attacking Rev. Wright, calling Obama a Muslim and questioning his birthplace, were intended to keep him from changing what had been cast by the previous admin. So, now in his final term, he must take the opportunity to correct those changes. I applaud the MRFF!
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Monday December 10, 2012, 2:18 pm
Thanks Kit.

Greg

When people are poor, uneducated, and needing money, they frequently try the defence forces, crime, and sport. They are not idiots; they simply believe that they have few options from which to choose.
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday December 10, 2012, 2:23 pm

Very true, Mary. And....on the battlefield it is not murder. The problem is what happens to these folks on the battlefield and then what they are not properly treated for, once they return home.
 

James E. (16)
Monday December 10, 2012, 3:14 pm
There goes separation of church and state. As a veteran and retired soldier I generally support the Chaplainís corps, but this activity crosses the line and needs to be addressed.

As an added thought, for those that believe the old line about atheists, foxholes, and God, I am one who turned away from religion as a result of combat service. While I donít declare myself to be an atheist, I certainly donít believe in any all powerful god either.

John Gregoire, do you really think all of the videos were faked or something? While no one should not extrapolate this out to all chaplains in the military, it is a real problem. More today than ever.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday December 10, 2012, 4:59 pm
"Be all you can be" ?? Isn't this one of the biggest scams perpetrated on our society, second only to religion?
 

Tom Edgar (56)
Monday December 10, 2012, 5:08 pm
Show me a poorly educated person and I will probably be able to show you a religion indoctrinated candidate for the military.

This hasn't changed one jot from the old British, Dutch, and other nations historical colonising approach . First the Soldier, then the Priest, then the Businessman.

James E It is understandable in an American that you wouldn't want to declare yourself as an atheist. As a
W W 2 Gasoline Tanker Mariner, I was an atheist before I entered the service and unsurprised that most of my shipmates shared my lack of religiosity. It was mandatory that the Skipper held a "Church" service on Sunday in the "Smoke Room". I honestly cannot ever remember any crew member attending. Oh there were some with religious affiliation but none who would ever admit to it. That is the big difference between most of the advanced nations citizens, and those of American nationality. We in Australia, generally, would never bring up, in conversation, our religious preference as it would be considered bad manners, indeed it is illegal to pose that question on an employment application. In the U S A it seems to be mandatory to announce your affiliation, but to avoid at all costs announcing that you are an atheist.
 

Wild Thang (9)
Monday December 10, 2012, 5:31 pm
Fighting crusades for God and Country presupposes a national god or wargod that supports us in our wars against all others. An unprovable god and so an unprprovable son and a crusadr of conceptual belief and wars to promote it. Then comes the ethic compromises of acceptable death, destruction, and collateral damages for our side and not for any other side because we are right except for times like Iraq when we are wrong and in drone strikes that turn out to be wrong targets and with collateral innocent civilians dead or damaged too. All with God's blessing apparently.
Next comes the question of our national god which one are we thinging about an Mormon one, a catholic one, an evangelical one, or a non-christian one? At that point secular society becomes a religious battlefield.
 

Gloria H. (88)
Monday December 10, 2012, 6:26 pm
how can someone kill when ordered and yet follow the Christian God? I see the role of chaplain as one to help someone burdened with the memory of having killed another human being. Someone to listen to, and NOT to convert.
From the video it appears the young people are ripe for picking, to brainwash into blindly following anyone or any ideal pounded into their heads. Like the Children's Crusade which helped clear out Europe of ever present urchins and orphans. War serves a purpose. As long as we focus on ridding ourselves of the evil guy/s gals "over there" there will be less attention focused on what is happening under our own noses in the fatherland.
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Monday December 10, 2012, 6:33 pm
Noted !!!
 

Dana Clay (33)
Monday December 10, 2012, 9:31 pm
Wow. I am shocked.
 

Colleen L. (2)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 12:11 am
I agree with Greg M. and others that we need to stop interferring with other countries in more ways than one... that's political, religous and all other matters. We seem to get in more trouble by interferring in their ways. Thanks Kit
 

John Gregoire (258)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 6:25 am
Thanks to those who commented nicely on my decades of service in uniform and for the gentle hint to check further. I assure you that much in the way of video and photo can be easily faked these days but I see that the militray has changed with respect to this and do not agree with it. Perhaps this is another root to the unbelieveably high number of senior officer firings over the last two years. We would be much better off with the tolerance or lack thereof we exercised in the 60s and 70s. Kit, I never heard of this group before and not sure I'd believe all that they contend after some cursory fact checking. the root problem though is absolutely undeniable. Thanks for setting me straight.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 8:53 am

I understand John. I come from a military family, and these practices within the military are not in keeping with it's traditions. MRFF exists only for the reason of assisting those who need help in addressing these issues in their career path or when needed to file law suits against the military for violations of it's own code of conduct.

May I suggest you Fact Check.org/ (Annenberg Foundation) for more unbiased information about Military Religious Freedom Foundation. They will do a screening of information for almost any question.
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 9:15 am
Thank you Kit! I have been following the great work of MRFF for years, and I am always disgusted by the crap the Christian Taliban of America continues to get away with. The fact is that what these 'Christians' are doing is Illegal. It violates the Constitution of the United States of America both as to the Establishment of a State Religion and the abridgment of Freedom of Religion and the exercise thereof. And it goes right to the Top Brass, from allowing Bible verses to be stamped on gun sights to placing Bible verses on the covers of high level briefing documents in the Pentagon and in the field to proselytizing on bases to compulsory attendance of religious activities. This is an organized criminal enterprise in the heart of the US Military and all of them know that what they are doing is criminal.
And Colleen the base problem is not the fact that these Christian Jihadi Imams and Ayatollahs are attempting to proselytize in foreign countries is is the fact that they are doing it with US tax dollars and coersion in America to Americans.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 9:27 am

Thanks Lloyd - each of those items listed are sadly factual information. The task of our military is clearly and sharply defined and though it has long offered the refuge for all soldiers of a chapel (they were often universal in use for any religion) it is not the task, duty or business of the United States military to enforce or support any form of proselyting. That is simply no longer the case. This video offered here at * Visit Site* does need to be changed, created or enhanced to offer any further damning information than that which is occurring, right now within all branches of our military service. What is the difference between a United States military Christian Crusade and the Islamic Jihad?
 

(8)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 9:27 am
The US military should be disbanded - Murdering people in countries far away is not a good thing. The US appears to be very good at that. - Iraq: 1.5 million dead and thousands of refugees created. War is simply terrorism with a bigger budget.
 

Marilyn L. (107)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 3:51 pm
Greg M How old are you two or do you just live in a fairy tale world...come on, get real. Disband the military?!?!

The article is very upsetting and it's soeehing if the President is not aware of should be informed. This is a dangerous direction for our military and our country.
 

Ruadha S. (6)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 10:14 pm
THANKS,KIT!! Too many people think this isn't happening here. I worry less about attempts to convert people in other countries than what is being done to Americans. Both West Point and the Air Force Academy are doing mandatory Christian services and activities.

And thank you, Lloyd, I don't know why I missed such a good label as Christian Taliban, but I think it's perfect,

Greg--it must be a pretty world you live in with the unicorns and rainbows. All we have to do is disband the military to achieve world peace. Even when seriously high in the '60's we didn't believe that one
(although I think I did see unicorns once.)
 

Christopher Fowler (84)
Thursday December 13, 2012, 7:26 am
This is something which should be illegal. When we enlist, we swear an oath to serve the Constitution.

THAT is our "master" in the military, not our theological beliefs. Even their bible says that one cannot serve two masters, so when their religion comes before their duty to uphold the Constitution, then their duty suffers, unless they serve the Constitution first and foremost.

These evangelicals are traitors for violating their oaths of enlistment and (for the officers) their officer's oath. They DO have a purpose of evasion of their oath and they have no problem with violating it.

It saddens me, deeply, that our military is being abused in this manner, by these treasonous Christians. NO OTHER GROUP does this, which is very telling about the Christo-fascist agenda.
 
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