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Day Before Connecticut Shooting Massacre, Michigan Legislature Passed Bill Allowing Guns In Classrooms


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Kit
- 586 days ago - thinkprogress.org
Amidst a lameduck session that has spawned a host of right-wing legislation, including a so-called "right-to-work" law and an extreme abortion ban, a "sweeping rewrite of Michigan's concealed handgun law" was also approved yesterday.



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Kit B. (277)
Friday December 14, 2012, 7:58 pm
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On Thursday, one day before the tragedy in Connecticut where at least 29 people were killed at an elementary school, the Republican-controlled Michigan legislature passed a bill that would allow people to bring guns into schools.

Amidst a lameduck session that has spawned a host of right-wing legislation, including a so-called “right-to-work” law and an extreme abortion ban, a “sweeping rewrite of Michigan’s concealed handgun law” was also approved yesterday. The legislation changes Michigan’s gun laws in a number of ways, including making it easier for people to receive a gun permit and opening up “gun free zones,” including schools and elsewhere, to people carrying concealed firearms.

MLive has more:

The legislation is the largest rewrite of Michigan’s concealed weapon law since lawmakers made hard-to-obtain permits much easier for adults to receive beginning July 2001. Applications exploded. There were 351,599 permit holders as of Dec. 1, one for every 20 adults.

Most of the attention on the new bill has focused on provisions allowing hidden handguns in places where they are now forbidden, such as schools, university dorms and classrooms, and sporting stadiums.

The bill now sits on Gov. Rick Snyder’s (R) desk, who must decide whether to approve or veto the legislation.
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By: Scott Keyes | Think Progress |
 

Kit B. (277)
Friday December 14, 2012, 8:03 pm

There is a law in Texas that encourages all college students and professors to have a concealed carry license and to carry guns on campus. Some actually believe that this would mean that should a shooter enter the classroom he/she would be shot before causing harm. This shows an incredible lack of knowledge or understanding about how people, even trained police react to the presence of an immediate threat.

I wonder some times how stupid people can occupy offices of power.
 

JL A. (272)
Friday December 14, 2012, 8:13 pm
Was this also boilerplate ALEC legislation? Is CT the result Michigan GOP want to see in their communities? Will Snyder bow to reason and morality and veto it? Only the shadow (AKA ALEC?) knoew?
 

Laura H. (875)
Friday December 14, 2012, 8:58 pm
America needs to wake the hell up.~

This has been one dark day in this country; may we all learn from it..and DO SOMETHING...PLEASE-no more days like this...let's honor the victims and their memories.and make a POSITIVE change!!!!!!!
 

Roseann D. (178)
Friday December 14, 2012, 10:50 pm
Gun accidents happen. Like the father that accidentally killed his own son, thinking he'd cleared the chamber of all bullets only to have it go off when he set it on the car dashboard. This new law is as crazy as the political wackos passing these laws. So reckless, irresponsible. These officials should be locked up as dangers to society.
 

Roger M. (0)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 12:30 am
It beggars belief.
 

David C. (29)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 3:18 am
Some people in the US think that the UK is a joke as we have very strong gun laws, the fact that the US had a total of over 9,000 men, women and killed in 2011 and the UK had less the 60 does not hold water with then!

 

Judy C. (106)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 4:26 am
What in the hell are these people thinking?!? This thing is so far out of control I don't know how, or even whether we can get out of this mess.
 

Arielle S. (316)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 7:31 am
Obviously, there is a whole lot of stupid in Michigan - WT? The only question now is how many will have to die before Michigan wakes up?
 

Val R. (230)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 8:41 am
That is insane!
 

Kathy B. (98)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 8:52 am
I'm not holding my breath, but the governor hasn't signed it into law (yet). If he has a brain - which doesn't seem likely - he won't.
 

SuSanne P. (181)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 9:16 am
Thank you Kit. After hearing this yesterday I can't write how I feel about this EVIL @%$
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 10:48 am
The State of Michigan is in serious trouble and if this successful you bet there are more States with whacked out Governors at the ready to follow suit. We are in a heap of do do here in this Country, the children being massacred is the symptom of a greater problem.

We are light years away from the New Deal and the Compassionate Civil Rights we all were enjoying and doing in the 60's. The peace and love of those days are a distant memory now. It all was looking good, too good for some who perferred another vision for this Country, and they worked to take it away, now we all suffer.
 

Jim Phillips (3215)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 11:45 am
WHAT??? Allowing kids , teens to carry guns into classrooms... WHAT???

The people in the Great State of Michigan must recall Snyder and the other g o p pukes out of office immediately.

Snyder must NOT sign this bill at all! If he does, the voters must recll this moronic thing out of
Office immediately!

Arrughhh.

Ty, kit.
.
 

Birgitta S. (221)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 12:03 pm
OMG. !!! WHAT?? Jim Phillips Really said it :-((((
 

Allan Yorkowitz (452)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 12:31 pm
What a frightening picture. Because of the Conn. tragedy, Obama has no other choice but to act on a federal gun control law. This is Obama's opportunity to actually make a difference. This will not be an easy fight, as nearly half of this country have relaxed gun laws.The President is going to have to battle state's rights- especially in the South, and apparently in Michigan.
This will be Obama's challenge as a credible leader. LBJ had a political battle to enforce Civil Rights; but he won.
The question of weapons will also open up illegal guns coming in from Mexico - another issue Obama failed to address.Like a domino, it will also bring up illegal immigration.
 

Barbara K. (87)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 12:48 pm
I'm a Michigan resident and I can tell you that Snyder and his henchmen in the Legislature have been pushing some really nasty stuff in this Lame Duck Session; as they know this is their only chance to do so. The Dems will be taking over many of the Tbagger's seats in January. Many of the Rs were voted out of the Legislature and will no longer have the majority. If anyone has been watching what has been happening in Michigan, you know what I mean. Yes, The Koch Bros and Alec have their dirty hands all over the state. I also believe that some election fraud took place the past 2 elections. It is suspicious that this state could go for Obama and Dem Senators and added more Dem Reps to the Federal Govt. and all these Tbaggers to the State Legislature. We have been going thru 2 years of pure hell with this dictator taking over and raping and pillaging the state. It is my fervent wish that the Rs who elected them have learned their lesson and won't fall for their crap again. I can proudly say that none of these lunatics got into power by my hand. They don't even let the public have any input or the Dem Congressmen to have the floor and give speeches in opposition. This is not a democracy that this Tbagger Governor is forcing on us, it is pure Revenge over the way the election went. They are just crazy enough to put this law into existence too. When we get a chance to rid ourselves of this piece of crap, the Dems will have a lot of work to do to clean up the mess Snyder is leaving in his wake. He would have been voted out on the Recall over a year ago, but the Recall petitions are stuck in Tbagger courts because the Tbagger Secretary of State claims the font is too small on them. It isn't, but that is the excuse they are using to keep us from voting this idiot out. There are nearly double the signatures on those needed to do just that. We need lawyers to come here and straighten out these thieves before there is nothing left of the state to save.
 

Barbara K. (87)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 12:50 pm
Also, many of the laws in this country should be nationalized, including voting and gun laws. It is pure stupid to have different laws in different states. This is ONE COUNTRY, not fifty countries. These individual laws are dividing us up and tearing the country apart.
 

John Gregoire (257)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 12:57 pm
We need a ban on all violent video games and on any firearm capable of more than one round!
 

John D. (45)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 1:21 pm
More conservative whacko policies... scary!!
 

Rebecca Y. (26)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 1:51 pm
I am so saddened by this tragedy that all I want to do is say and write four letter words, put up a pillory in the town square and put every murderer of children there and let the public at them! How barbaric of me and how satisfying it is to think of it. My heart, my soul is crying out to all the children in that school and all the parents.
 

Rebecca Y. (26)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 1:57 pm
Kit, I want to thank you for all of your informative articles...always interesting.
 

Greg K. (1)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 3:31 pm
The concept that a bunch of students and teachers with concealed carry guns they barely know how to use, seldom clean, never practice with not wearing body armor could respond on a surprise basis to a well armored, well armed criminal or lunatic Rambo wanna be who has rehearsed his glorious moment would be comical if not so certainly fatal. The gunman is happy to kill anyone but the amateur 'protectors' have to direct their fire into a weak spot on the body armor of the killer only. What if there is more than one shooter in ideal locations where a swat team rifle expert would be needed to make an effective shot?

All the people who think Joe citizen can do the job should try it out with special laser tag outfits and using guns with a lousy accuracy like the concealable guns most people would use and well equiped seal team members playing the bad guys. Everyone could bet a dollar guessing the number of citizens 'killed' before the bad guys were knocked off. With a unique surprise strategy every week and the prize going up each week there might be a real education and a massive prize.
 

Gloria H. (88)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 4:05 pm
One method of birth control. Someone sneezes and everyone starts shooting. I went to school in Detroit. Pre guns in classroom. My fellow students were all full of rage and anger (1960) many from broken homes in the projects.. Race riots after school. Challenges in the restrooms. Defiance to teachers. Yeah, what would have happened then if guns were allowed in school back then? It would have total insanity.
This is NOW total insanity. What NRA grant backed this bill in Michigan?
 

Sergio Padilla (62)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 4:11 pm
The US really needs to take control on this issue
 

Dana R. (2)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 4:12 pm
The reason that all these people who commit these massacres have guns is because the NRA wants them to have guns them, lots of guns, the more the better. And, the fewer restrictions the better.
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 5:21 pm
Zillions of green stars to Barbara K.(to sson to send another)...........

WE need logical petitions to send to that Govenor to VETO that bill, even if he is a Koch puppet.

zillions of green stars to Gloria H. as well !
 

Yvonne White (231)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 5:22 pm
Well, I think it should be Open Season on Michigan's Lame Ducks!:( The dirty ba$tards got all pissified & fired up to wreak havoc on Michigan citizens (especially women & children!)!!!! Vigilantism may make a come-back soon..
 

Eternal Gardener (702)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 6:08 pm
Okay, you guys have lost me completely... a big ? Pedagogical responsibility in the US; kids can carry guns in classrooms???? Yep you've lost me...
 

Kit B. (277)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 6:27 pm

EG - many states have "gun free zones" usually places where the public gathers, schools, hospitals malls grocery stores, the logical places that other than police responding to a call, no one needs to have a gun. The Michigan (lame duck) legislature, riding a right wing high after passing recent anti- union laws, have now turned their sites on women and gun laws. The laws passed in both houses of the Michigan legislature including very strong anti-abortion legislation and a loosening of the rules for obtaining gun licenses as well as opening up "gun free zones".

I hope that the shooting in Connecticut will stay the pen of Governor Rick Snyder, we shall see.
Should he not be moved by emotional reactions to Connecticut and sign that bill, then Michigan will join a few other states in having more "legal" gun toting citizens walking the streets.
 

Melania Padilla (173)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 6:30 pm
Cannot believe this, what is US obsession with war, guns?? This is so wrong!
 

Robert Tomlinson (64)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 8:23 pm
Michigan is a prime example of people voting for change without thinking about what that change will mean.
The state government has: voted in the Right to Work law; taken over cities; taken over schools; now it wants to arm people in the classrooms. What a mess. It may take years to undo all the harm this group has caused the great state of Michigan.
 

Joanne Dixon (36)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 8:26 pm
This goes right along with the rest of the legislation they are passing. With the exception of Barbara K, we probably don't know the half of it. Yes, ALEC is into guns; "stand your ground" is an ALEC model law. Barbara K, I am so sorry for you and your state.
 

Shirley S. (172)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 10:53 pm
I am PROUD to be an AUSSIE!! We have SENSIBLE laws here.
 

Naoko I. (261)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 1:04 am
Just can't comprehend ...
 

Vera Yuno (8)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 1:29 am
Some states need to be at the corner of the classroomm and reevaluate their decisions. They r going more insane than they were before...
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:44 am
Sadly noted.
 

Daniel Partlow (189)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 6:48 am
Veto Veto Veto!!! What kind if ignorant idiots are leading our country? We need to get these asshoxxs out of government!!!
 

Jean M. (143)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 7:13 am
I have lived in Mi most of my life and I can tell you it is becoming a very scary place. First of all we have a govenor who is a whack job. How he ever got elected is beyond me. The new gun legislation is outrageous. Flint Mi has one of the highest gun related crime rates in the country. I must admit that in my sixties I am taking a class to learn how to shoot. We live in a world that is out of control and the inmates run the show.My heart is breaking for the tragedy that occured this week. God help those families who lost loved ones. It is unimaginable.

As to the right to work law, my husband works in a Union shop and their human resources dept. dang near had a party when the outcome was announced. The people who work there have had three dollar an hour paycuts in the last contract and now they are waiting for the other shoe to drop. Cost of insurance has gone up along with co-pays on everything. Without overtime we live on about thirty thousand dollars a year. The union has had it teeth pulled by this legislation. New hires coming into the shop make just above minimum wage. The Bush era began this assault on unions and now big government along with big business have taken another step to drive a nail in the coffin.
 

Anne P. (245)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 7:35 am
I am stunned and shocked by the passing of this legislation. Our country is truly going down the toilet. Nobody is safe anymore.
 

Elizabeth M. (66)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 8:32 am
Thanks Kit for posting. When I read this I just can't believe anyone with half a brain would put this to a law!
RIDICULOUS!
 

Aaron Bouchard (125)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 10:31 am
Noted
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:24 pm
All must badger their members of Congress to reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban, including a banning of all "gun shows." Let's get some legislation rolling to begin our combat against the gun industry and NRA.
 

Wim Zunnebeld (144)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:28 pm
thx for the info
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 3:27 pm
What in hell are they thinking?
 

Sharon W. (4)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 3:39 pm
Guns in the classroom? What for?! Rarely have I heard something this ridiculous..
 

Sylvie Bermannova (39)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 6:21 pm
Noted. Can you tell me why people should be allowed to come to school armed?!! That's unheard of, especially when shootings at schools are becoming rampant and are claiming lives. That is the silliest, most incomprehensible and dangerous of ideas I can think of. Sorry, I have to say this without mincing words.
 

Wolfgang W. (197)
Monday December 17, 2012, 1:58 am
But also, I teach in an elementary school. Kids run up to me and hug me around my waist every single day. If I had a gun packed there, I'd hate to think what could happen..." quoted from: Meg Seigenthaler · Top Commenter · Memphis College of Art
 

Wolfgang W. (197)
Monday December 17, 2012, 2:14 am
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/15/1341181/the-5-sensible-gun-safety-regulations-that-even-nra-members-support/
 

Wim Zunnebeld (144)
Monday December 17, 2012, 4:33 am
BAN ALL WEAPONS
 

monka blanke (74)
Monday December 17, 2012, 12:35 pm
Shame on the "worlds leader" and their gun laws. Go and "lead" yourself (take care of yourself), don't rule the world with your crazy gun laws !!
 

AWAYnotHERE M. (445)
Monday December 17, 2012, 4:16 pm
Sheer Madness.
 

SANDRA G. (1)
Tuesday December 18, 2012, 7:53 am
tHIS IS A BOUGHT GOVERMENT,DANGEROUS COUNTRY,AND PEOPLE VOTE IN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSING THESE BILLS. IN MY DAY SOMETHING LIKE HAVING A GUN IN THE CLASS ROOM WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED
 

Nolan Cesario (0)
Wednesday January 9, 2013, 5:45 pm
This is not true. I live in Michigan and the law does not permit teens to carry guns in school. the law states that if an individual holds a CPL then they are permitted to carry a NON-Concealed pistol on school grounds.MCL 28.425o Do your research before you pass on ignorant "information"
 

Kit B. (277)
Wednesday January 9, 2013, 6:55 pm

Then according to your own words this is not a lie.
 
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