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History Shows War a Tool for Political Opportunists


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: abuse, americans, congress, corruption, crime, death, destruction, dishonesty, elections, Govtfearmongering, lies, media, politics, propaganda, troops )

Kit
- 335 days ago - video.msnbc.msn.com
Democrats have correctly recognized that the war in Iraq was a mistake based on lies, Republicans are busy trying to rewrite history rather that learn its lessons. **Video**



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Kit B. (277)
Monday August 26, 2013, 2:24 pm
Image Credit: Uberhumor



History Shows War a Tool for Political Opportunists


Rachel Maddow reports on new evidence of Richard Nixon acting to prolong the Vietnam War to help win office, and points out that while Democrats have correctly recognized that the war in Iraq was a mistake based on lies, Republicans are busy trying to rewrite history rather that learn its lessons.

Excellent video of Rachel Maddow speaking to the time of Vietnam and prolonging wars for political desires.

 

Kit B. (277)
Monday August 26, 2013, 2:27 pm

We are easy to rally with just right touch of patriotic rhetoric, but maybe it is time we set aside the rhetoric and look what is really happening. I'm not addressing elaborate conspiracy plans, just taking a long hard look at the facts without the emotionalism that is used to engage us to support war efforts.
 

Kit B. (277)
Monday August 26, 2013, 2:46 pm

Thanks Bryan - for sending this.
 

JL A. (272)
Monday August 26, 2013, 3:04 pm
I just hope we aren't going to repeat these mistakes with Syria--neither the US or the UK can afford the costs of such a war. Thanks for this illumination Kit.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (277)
Monday August 26, 2013, 3:59 pm
I agree with JLA Thanks Kit
 

Danuta Watola (1180)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 3:41 am
noted
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 3:44 am
Thanks.
 

Fi T. (16)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 4:09 am
Both challenging and ugly
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 4:15 am
Disgusting
 

Christine Boddington (0)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 4:39 am
Someone once said to me "War is good for the economy...look at the achievements of countries such as Germany and Japan post WW2" ....It still makes me feel so sick when I think of the cost of innocent lives for the economic growth and political power.
 

John Gregoire (257)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 5:12 am
Kit,
It is not a matter of political party. Way back when the strategic thinker Clausewitz wrote of several maxims of government. One of these is that war is a continuation of politics by other means.
 

Michael Kirkby (83)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 10:39 am
Revisionism by any other name is still revisionism. They all do it. Follow the money or who stood to profit.
 

. (0)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 1:04 pm
war is the way old men have always gotten rid of young virile men. then the women are vulnerable.
 

. (0)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 1:05 pm
they used to show the names of dead soldiers on TV. how many thousands died or returned suffering and maimed? how many struggle with PTSD? old men always want war.
 

Kit B. (277)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 1:09 pm

Yes, during Vietnam the names of each dead soldier was on the evening news, often the images of the body bags as well. The government learned from that to keep those images away from the public, or people might seriously protest.
 

Theodore Shayne (56)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 3:34 pm
I don't want to fight in any rich man's or oil man's perpetual war. It merely serves to divide humanity as a species and profits only the Elite.
 

Diane O. (149)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 3:59 pm
I don't believe we should lose another American life in the middle east. In Syria, the Sunni and Shia (the death of Mohammad and who had authority over Islam. The schism exists today). Why would the United States plop down in the middle of this senseless disagreement between these two groups? Someone needs to "school" Obama.

Obama was WRONG to draw a "red line" on the use of chemical weapons. The WMD's being used in Syria today are the WMD's that were in Iraq that were mobilized by Saddam Hussein who refused weapons inspections for years so that he could get them out of Iraq....Syria now has them and they are using them.

It is Obama's inexperience and incompetence as a leader that has him now in the hot seat. His mistake at the beginning of his first term thinking he could change the dialogue and the entire calculus of relations between the US and Arab countries. He exasperated the problem by doing choosing sides during the Arab Spring uprising that was not calculated as far as US national security interests were concerned. Since then he has shown himself to be weak and vaccillating. The US now has that image. We ARE NOT a reliable ally against forces and regimes of tyranny and terrorism.

American interests in Egypt are in disarray and Syria is a powder keg and genocidal disaster that Obama has no clue how to deal with.

In other words, Obama's incompetence is blatant in foreign affairs.

The US national security is what Obama should BE thinking about but he isn't. He doesn't know what it is he needs to know in foreign affairs. The war started three years ago and Obama said two years ago "Assad has to go" and a year ago he drew the red line. Obama needs a debate in Congress. Meanwhile, David Cameron called a session of Parliament to discuss British intervention in Syria.....sadly, we won't see Obama take this to our Congress.

 

Kit B. (277)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 4:10 pm

There we have detailed foreign policy from an expert. No doubt from years with the State Department to have such a broad scope of understanding. Or is that zero grasp of any thing out side of your kitchen?
 

JL A. (272)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 4:18 pm
http://www.care2.com/news/member/775377582/3573731
Explains all about the illegality of the last opportunist, with warrants to The Hague to be tried for crimes against humanity.
 

JL A. (272)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 4:20 pm
McCain on Syria:
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/john-mccain-syria-95968.html
" I’ve been in Syria with them, and anybody who tells you they’re taken over by extremists, they are not,” McCain said."


 

JL A. (272)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 4:28 pm
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/25/mccain-graham-call-military-action-syria-chemical-/

Republicans implore Obama: Get off the sidelines on Syria issue; U.N. to visit attack site

Kerry slams Syria's Assad for 'moral obscenity'
Secretary of State John Kerry said in a statement that "there must be accountability" for using the world's most heinous…
syrian civil war rages on: secretary of state john kerry delivers a statement about the use of chemical weapons in syria at the department of state, monday, aug. 26.

Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday in a televised statement that the Obama administration has additional evidence of Syrian chemical weapons. Kerry also accused Syrian President Bashar Assad of destroying evidence.

Calling Syria's use of chemical weapons "undeniable," Kerry
http://t.msn.com/?fa=http%3a%2f%2fnews.msn.com%2fworld%2fkerry-slams-syrias-assad-for-moral-obscenity%3focid%3dansnews11&ref=bing&fid=AmNews-253308308-261090833

Military strikes on Syria 'as early as Thursday,' US officials say
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/27/20209022-military-strikes-on-syria-as-early-as-thursday-us-officials-say?lite

Doesn't seem as if anyone is in real disagreement on what to do and it's about to happen--seems appeopriate to have gathered evidence first before attacking another country like the foundation for charges at The Hague.
 

Michael M. (58)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 8:01 pm
I have been curious as to why we have not heard these 3 words:

United Nations Peacekeepers.

It is more than unseemly for the USA to violently intervene in Asia, it is immoral, wrong, possibly a red herring over the HUGE NSA overreach scandal and Obama's lies about it

(I am definitely NOT "conservative, unless conservative means throw the stealers of land out, honor the treaties made, should we wish to continue a USA, and take every gun away from every person on earth. While I did not vote for Obama, due to it being clear that he was just another pawn cashed by Corporations, I recognise that he betrayed every voter who DID vote for him, and I despise such a dishonorable person)

The UN was formed by the US and some other large nations precisely in order to deal with such things as the Warmongers of the USA want to use for their own ends.

"Nation-building" indeed.
Go to Iraq now, with its unceasing violence, its looting of its ancient history - this situation will not end in your lifetime. Nationbuilding.

Lies.

You will not save anyone by killing one or a few people who choose to commit atrocities. You are right NOW surrounded by those who eagerly WILL, DO, and HAVE.

This is your lot should you choose to support military intervention in SYria, should you choose to perpetuate this Security State right here, eating your life, your soul.
 

Kit B. (277)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 8:40 pm

Thank you, Michael. Indeed U N peacekeepers.
 

Jason R. (57)
Wednesday August 28, 2013, 10:14 am
"I don't believe we should lose another American life in the middle east."

Then stop supporting the war monger republicans and the MIC!!! Come to your senses.
 

Bryan S. (97)
Wednesday August 28, 2013, 9:28 pm
Hey Kit, you're most welcome and thanks for posting.

So true that the government has learned to restrict images that might show the reality of war. How can such horrors be used for political gains, or any of the gains that are always behind wars regardless of how they are sold to the public. Also very sad that too many people spend more time researching which car to buy than the facts behind the bullshit used to sell crimes like the Vietnam or Iraq wars.

It's certainly true that any action taken in Syria shouldn't be a matter of US unilaterialism.
 

Jason R. (57)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 10:32 am
"government has learned to restrict images"

I think the culprit is the fascist, corporate media. Don't they kill embedded journalists?
 
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