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House Votes To Derail Obamacare, Fund Government


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Kit
- 376 days ago - npr.org
The House has passed a temporary funding measure to keep the government running. The bill is coupled with a tea party-backed measure to block President Obama's new health care law.



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Kit B. (276)
Friday September 20, 2013, 8:46 am
Photo Credit: Nydaily news


***BREAKING NEWS***

WASHINGTON (AP) — The House has passed a temporary funding measure to keep the government running. The bill is coupled with a tea party-backed measure to block President Obama's new health care law.

The 230 -189 vote sets the stage for a confrontation with the Democratic-led Senate. The Senate promises to strip the "defund Obamacare" provision from the bill next week and will challenge the House to pass it as a straightforward funding bill that Obama will sign.

The White House promises Obama would veto the measure in the unlikely event it reaches him.

At issue is the need to pass a short-term funding bill to prevent a partial government shutdown when the budget year ends on Sept. 30. Washington's longstanding budget stalemate has derailed the annual appropriations bills required to fund federal agency operations.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

The GOP-controlled House moved Friday toward a confrontation with the Senate over President Barack Obama's health care law with a legislative ploy that threatens a government shutdown in a week and a half.

The fight is coming on a stopgap funding measure required to keep the government fully running after the Oct. 1 start of the new budget year. Typically, such measures advance with sweeping bipartisan support, but tea party activists forced GOP leaders to add a provision to cripple the health care law that's the signature accomplishment of Obama's first term.

The top Senate Democrat has pronounced the bill dead and calls the House exercise a "waste of time." The White House has issued a veto threat.

The fight over the must-do funding bill comes as Washington is bracing for an even bigger battle over increasing the government's borrowing cap to make sure the government can pay its bills. Democrats say they won't be held hostage and allow Republicans to use the must-pass measures as leverage to win legislative victories that they otherwise couldn't.

"Republicans want to play games of brinksmanship on the budget and the debt limit even though the foreseeable consequence will be plummeting stock markets and businesses freezing their hiring," said Rep. Nita Lowey of New York, the top Democrat on the Appropriations Committee.

"If this legislation is not enacted and we embark on a government shutdown, the consequences are severe: our brave men and women of our military don't get paid, our recovering economy will take a huge hit, and our most vulnerable citizens — including the elderly and veterans who rely on critical government programs and services — could be left high and dry," said House Appropriations Committee Chairman Harold Rogers, R-Ky.

In the event of a shutdown, federal workers' pay would be delayed, non-essential workers would be sent home and national parks would mostly close. But Social Security benefits, Medicare and most elements of the new health care law would continue.

Even before the House vote was to occur Friday, lawmakers were looking a couple of moves ahead on the congressional chessboard to a scenario in which the Democratic Senate would remove the "defund Obamacare" provision and kick the funding measure back to the House for a showdown next weekend.

An earlier plan by GOP leaders like House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, designed to send a straightforward bill to keep the government running through Dec. 15 ran into too much opposition from tea party members who demanded a showdown over the Affordable Care Act, the official name of what Republicans branded Obamacare.

Boehner has sought to reassure the public and financial markets that Republicans have no interest in either a partial government shutdown when the budget year ends or a first-ever default on a broader set of U.S. obligations when the government runs out of borrowing ability by mid- to late October.

"Let me be very clear," Boehner said. "Republicans have no interest in defaulting on our debt — none."

GOP leaders want to skirt the shutdown confrontation and seek concessions when addressing the need to raise the debt ceiling next month, but Obama says he won't be forced into making concessions as he did in the 2011 debt crisis, when he accepted $2.1 trillion in spending cuts over 10 years.

Boehner accused Obama of being ready to negotiate with Russian President Vladimir Putin over Syria but not to engage with Republicans on increasing the nation's debt limit.

GOP leaders scheduled a meeting with the rank and file to discuss the debt limit measure. Aides said they plan to propose attaching provisions, including a mandate to permit construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline, a framework to reform the loophole-cluttered U.S. tax code, limits on medical malpractice lawsuits and higher Medicare premiums for higher-income beneficiaries. Even with the grab bag of GOP chestnuts, some ardent conservatives are likely to balk at voting for any debt limit measure.

Meanwhile, a GOP family feud simmered. Many Republicans in both the House and the Senate see the "defund Obamacare" strategy as futile and faulted architects Sens. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and Mike Lee, R-Utah, for whipping up expectations among tea partyers that the fight could be effectively waged.

A key part of the law, the opening of state insurance exchanges, is set to take effect Oct. 1, so the effort to gut the health care law has added urgency among conservative activists.

When Cruz suggested in a statement that the fight could not be won in the Senate, he infuriated House Republicans.

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By: The Associated Press | NPR |
 

Brian M. (192)
Friday September 20, 2013, 8:48 am
2014 is coming. Every single one of them up for re-election should be thrown out of office by a landslide. More than that, we need to seriously consider as the brand Republican as a certain sign of toxicitiy: no matter how small or large the office, if the candidate runs with the Republican brand...then throw them out of office...and/or keep them out of office. Then we need to open the system up for progressive alternatives.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday September 20, 2013, 8:48 am

These folks are so happy there must be wet pants in the Congress. Though why is worth speculation. This means nothing other than to say the worst elements have now seized control of the republican party.
 

Sue H. (7)
Friday September 20, 2013, 9:03 am
They are So busy infighting they have disturbingly forgotten how they are destroying America. I despair.
 

Roger Skinner (14)
Friday September 20, 2013, 9:26 am
I know this has been said before, but isn't this just the definition of INSANITY! The GOP keep doing the same thing over and over and get the same absolutely useless result. What's this? the 42nd time or so they've tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act? They KNOW it won't pass the Senate and they KNOW Obama will veto it and they KNOW it is a waste of time, yet they keep doing it! What assholes.
 

Mary T. (302)
Friday September 20, 2013, 10:36 am
wish the Republicians would think about trying to fix the economy instead of stopping the Affordable Care Act. maybe when election day comes a few congress people will be visiting their unemployment line - thanks Kit
 

JL A. (275)
Friday September 20, 2013, 11:11 am
The TP contingent apparently expected their work would be over in a couple more days--McClintock (R-CA) had scheduled Town Halls on the 25th and 26th that he cancelled yesterday (locations that pull from less conservative parts of his district BTW).
 

Kathleen R. (203)
Friday September 20, 2013, 11:56 am
What can I say that hasn't already been said. You just shake your head at the stupidity of these takers in Congress. Mary T, remember most of those guys don't believe the unemployed should get unemployment compensation. Maybe they would change their minds if they were UNEMPLOYED!.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Friday September 20, 2013, 12:11 pm
Great, huh? Monsanto protection act snuck back in, SNAP cut by $40 bn, defund Obamacare..what's next?
Thank you bastards.
 

Yvonne White (232)
Friday September 20, 2013, 12:33 pm
RepubliCONs are intent on Proving Half of Government is ALL we really need!;) Of course they don't realize They are the half we can do without!
 

Arielle S. (317)
Friday September 20, 2013, 1:21 pm
Could they be any more arrogant? I sent emails to some of them, not because they will read them or care one whit but simply because I was ready to explode and needed relief.
 

. (0)
Friday September 20, 2013, 1:37 pm
Great article. Thanks for sharing, Kit.
 

Carrie B. (305)
Friday September 20, 2013, 1:49 pm
And so it begins. No surprise ~ just sadness, anger, and disappointment.
 

Sara V. (0)
Friday September 20, 2013, 1:55 pm
The fight over the must-do funding bill comes as Washington is bracing for an even bigger battle over increasing the government's borrowing cap to make sure the government can pay its bills. ...

"Republicans want to play games of brinksmanship on the budget and the debt limit even though the foreseeable consequence will be plummeting stock markets and businesses freezing their hiring," ...

"If this legislation is not enacted and we embark on a government shutdown, the consequences are severe: our brave men and women of our military don't get paid, our recovering economy will take a huge hit, and our most vulnerable citizens — including the elderly and veterans who rely on critical government programs and services — could be left high and dry,"

All this doom and gloom, yet if we continue on our debt trajectory everything will come crashing down with even more severe consequences. They cannot just keep printing money to give people what they want. It is going to be a hard lesson, and it would be best if we learned it sooner rather than later.
 

Jaime A. (32)
Friday September 20, 2013, 2:14 pm
Noted.
 

Billie C. (2)
Friday September 20, 2013, 2:19 pm
until obamacare is good for all and not just the ones obama chooses then it needs to go. everyday he gives another group a pass on it. if it's good enough for the masses then it's good enough for all. if it's not then it's time to junk it and start over.
 

Ros G. (91)
Friday September 20, 2013, 3:27 pm
Thanks Kit fascinating reading for those that live outside of the US
 

Diane O. (148)
Friday September 20, 2013, 3:51 pm
Obamacare was always going to fail. Cutting medicare benefits that most of us have been paying into for decades to fund Obamacare was the first mistake.
 

EDWARD G. MRKVICKA (0)
Friday September 20, 2013, 4:31 pm
noted and read on 9-20-13 one more childish act by the republicans that think by holding the American people hostage until they get their way is nonsense by any means and if they think that the president of the united states and the democrats will cave and give into there demands is even more crazy if these pukes are so hell bent on taking away medical benefits well republican pukes let's start with each one of you give up all your free perks that you do not pay a dime for and then lets see who cries wolf first instead of trying to get rid of health care you all need to do your jobs that means fixing the economy that you screwed up and start putting American people back to work instead of sending our work over sea's for cheap labor you all are worthless and not once helped the American people just your rich buddies and your selfs your all nothing but losers grow up already and quit your crying parties.
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Friday September 20, 2013, 4:59 pm
This is going to be one twisted, convoluted mess. I've read various articles today explaining that many are trying to cut the sequester for the Pentagon & boost war funding expenses again. The sequester has been the only way we've been able to get some big, necessary and long overdue cuts to the "defense" industry.

Those cuts were one reason so many members of Congress were recently outspoken about attacking Syria. Some articles here on Care2 explained that in depth....which Senators reaped huge donations from that sector & also loudly pushed for missile strikes on Syria.
And, they're tying this in with the debt ceiling and social programs! Yup, just one gigantic bait-and-switch. So, let's be careful what we ask for, because amendments serve to water down some bills that look good at first. We must stay attentive.
 

Roger Skinner (14)
Friday September 20, 2013, 5:37 pm
@Diane O. : Medicare benefits have NOT been affected by the Affordable Care Act. Medicare is NOT being used to fund it either. What did happen was that it instituted a number of changes to try to bring down future health care costs in the program. As Politifacts notes ( http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/03/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-cut-716-billion-medicare/ ), "The spending reductions were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries. The law made significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But the plans have actually cost more than traditional Medicare. So the health care law scales back the payments to private insurers." In other words, Medicare benefits have NOT been cut at all, and it is NOT being used to pay for "Obamacare". The only reason that this program might fail is by its continually be undermined by the Republicans and people like YOU!
 

Kathy B. (99)
Friday September 20, 2013, 5:38 pm
There's speculation that if this doesn't work, they'll switch to trying to cram the Keystone XL pipeline down our throats.

When did bribery become legal?
 

Mitchell D. (131)
Friday September 20, 2013, 6:30 pm
May the Tea Party, aka: ship of fools, Boehner, Cantor, McConnell and their ilk meet their dopplegangers and disappear in a flash of flatulence!
 

JL A. (275)
Friday September 20, 2013, 6:41 pm
Medicare Benefits were expanded with the ACA (e.g., preventative care without co-pays)--nothing was cut to fund the rest of ACA.

Most people making under $40,000 per year will get premium subsidies. The majority of those without insurance now will pay $100 or less per month for their coverage.

For facts instead of myth-based propaganda:
About the Law

The Affordable Care Act puts consumers back in charge of their health care. Under the law, a new “Patient’s Bill of Rights” gives the American people the stability and flexibility they need to make informed choices about their health.

View Key Features of the Affordable Care Act or read a year-by-year overview of features.
Coverage

Ends Pre-Existing Condition Exclusions for Children: Health plans can no longer limit or deny benefits to children under 19 due to a pre-existing condition.
Keeps Young Adults Covered: If you are under 26, you may be eligible to be covered under your parent’s health plan.
Ends Arbitrary Withdrawals of Insurance Coverage: Insurers can no longer cancel your coverage just because you made an honest mistake.
Guarantees Your Right to Appeal: You now have the right to ask that your plan reconsider its denial of payment.

Costs

Ends Lifetime Limits on Coverage: Lifetime limits on most benefits are banned for all new health insurance plans.
Reviews Premium Increases: Insurance companies must now publicly justify any unreasonable rate hikes.
Helps You Get the Most from Your Premium Dollars: Your premium dollars must be spent primarily on health care – not administrative costs.

Care

Covers Preventive Care at No Cost to You: You may be eligible for recommended preventive health services. No copayment.
Protects Your Choice of Doctors: Choose the primary care doctor you want from your plan’s network.
Removes Insurance Company Barriers to Emergency Services: You can seek emergency care at a hospital outside of your health plan’s network.
http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/index.html

The data shows the parts implemented to date to have been a success:
How the Health Care Law Benefits You

Because of the Affordable Care Act, the 85 percent of Americans who have insurance have more choices and stronger coverage than ever before. And for the 15 percent of Americans who don’t have insurance, or families and small businesses who buy their coverage but aren’t happy with it, a new day is just around the corner.

Soon, we take a critical step forward when a new online Health Insurance Marketplace will provide millions of families and small businesses who currently don’t have insurance, or are looking for a better deal, a new way to find health coverage that fits their needs and their budgets.

Open enrollment in the Marketplace starts October 1, with coverage starting as soon as January 1, 2014. But families and small business can visit HealthCare.gov right now to find the information they need prepare for open enrollment.


Use the map to find benefits in your state
Find benefits in your state →

As the law’s implementation continues, we’re ensuring that all Americans have access to affordable, quality health coverage that leads to better value, better health, and better choices.

Better Value

Health insurance companies now have to spend at least 80 cents of your premium dollar on health care or improvements to care, or provide you a refund. In 2012, 8.5 million consumers received half a billion dollars in refunds – with the average consumer receiving a refund of around $100 per family. Moreover, 77.8 million consumers saved $3.4 billion up front on their premiums as insurance companies operated more efficiently as compared to 2011.
For the first time ever, insurance companies in every state must publicly justify any rate increase of 10 percent or more. Since implementing the law, the fraction of requests for insurance premium increases of 10 percent or more has dropped dramatically, from 75 percent to 14 percent. To date, the rate review program has helped save Americans an estimated $1 billion.
Insurance companies can no longer rescind your coverage because you get sick or because you made a mistake on an application. And they can no longer limit lifetime coverage to a fixed dollar amount. Already 105 million Americans no longer have a lifetime limit on essential health benefits, thanks to the law.
129 million non-elderly Americans have some type of pre-existing health condition, including 17.6 million children. Today, insurers can no longer deny coverage to children because of a pre-existing condition, like asthma or diabetes, under the health care law. And beginning in 2014, health insurers will no longer be able to charge more or deny coverage to anyone because of a pre-existing condition. The health care law also established a temporary health insurance program for individuals who were denied health insurance coverage because of a pre-existing condition. Over 110,000 Americans with pre-existing conditions have gained coverage through the Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan since the program’s inception.
The health care law has allowed 3.1 million young adults who would otherwise have been uninsured to stay on their parents’ health insurance plans until age 26.

A Stronger Medicare Program

The Affordable Care Act is closing the gap in drug coverage known as the "donut hole." Since the enactment of the law, over 6.6 million Americans with Medicare who reached the donut hole have saved a total of over $7 billion on prescription drugs, or an average of $1,061 per person. The average person with Medicare will save approximately $5,000 from 2010 to 2022, while those with high prescription drug costs will save much more – as much as $18,000 over the same period.
The health care law helps stop fraud with tougher screening procedures, stronger penalties, and new technology. Over the last four years, the administration’s fraud enforcement efforts have recovered $14.9 billion from fraudsters. For every dollar spent on health care-related fraud and abuse activities in the last three years the administration has returned $7.90.
The health care law extends the life of the Medicare Trust Fund by ten years. From 2010 to 2012, Medicare spending per beneficiary grew at 1.7 percent annually, substantially more slowly than the per capita rate of growth in the economy.
Every year, about 2.6 million seniors – or nearly one in five hospitalized Medicare enrollees – are readmitted within 30 days of discharge, at a cost of more than $26 billion to the Medicare program. The health care law ties Medicare reimbursement for hospitals to their readmission rates. In 2012, an estimated 70,000 readmissions were avoided.
The health care law focuses on driving a smarter health care system focused on the quality, not quantity of care. Already, more than 250 organizations are participating in one of Medicare’s Accountable Care Organization programs, which encourage quality and care coordination through the use of health information technology. Together, these initiatives are improving primary care for nearly 4 million people with Medicare and are expected to save up to $940 million in the first four years.

Better Health

The health care law requires most insurance plans to cover recommended preventive care without cost-sharing. Already, 71 million Americans with private health insurance have gained preventive service coverage without cost-sharing, including nearly 27 million women. In 2012 alone, an estimated 34 million people with Medicare received one or more preventive services with no cost-sharing, including those who took advantage of the new Annual Wellness Visit.
Beginning in 2014, the Affordable Care Act requires most health plans in the individual and small group markets to cover ten essential health benefit categories, to include hospitalization, prescription drugs, maternity and newborn care, and mental health and substance use disorder services. In the individual market alone, 8.7 million Americans will gain maternity coverage because of the health care law. And the Affordable Care Act expands mental health and substance use disorder benefits and federal parity protections for 62 million Americans.
The health care law invests in training and support for thousands of new primary care doctors and nurses by providing bonus payments, scholarships and loan repayment, and new training opportunities. The number of primary care providers in the National Health Service Corps are at all-time highs, and have more than doubled since 2008.
The Affordable Care Act makes an unprecedented investment in promoting wellness, preventing disease, and protecting against public health emergencies. Prevention and Public Health Fund initiatives like the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s Community Transformation Grants advance health and wellness and empower communities to design and implement strategies to prevent chronic diseases.
The Affordable Care Act dramatically increased funding for the operation, expansion and construction of health centers nationwide. Today, 1,200 health centers operate nearly 9,000 service delivery sites that provide primary care to more than 21 million patients annually.

Better Options

Beginning in 2014, 41.3 million uninsured Americans will have new opportunities for coverage through the Health Insurance Marketplace. The Marketplace will make it easy for you to compare qualified health plans, get answers to questions, find out if you are eligible for lower costs for private insurance or health programs like Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and enroll in health coverage that meets your needs.
In 2014, 49 states, the District of Columbia, and four territories will have received a total of nearly $4.2 billion in grants to establish their marketplaces. 17 states (including the District of Columbia), will fully run their own Marketplace. The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) will fully run a Marketplace in 19 states. In 15 states, HHS will work with the state to run a Marketplace. But no matter what state a consumer lives in, he or she will be able to shop seamlessly for coverage through the Marketplace.
To date, more than 120 issuers have applied to offer qualified health plans in the HHS-run Marketplace. In the states with early data, an estimated 80 percent of the people who are expected to enroll in a health plan through the Marketplace will be able to choose from five or more insurance companies. In many states today, the health insurance marketplace is highly concentrated and only one or two issuers control a majority of market share. On average, issuers plan to offer more than 15 qualified health plans per state.
Small employers will be able to choose from a range of coverage options for their employees through the Small Business Health Options Program, or SHOP. Eligible employers may qualify for a tax credit worth up to 50 percent of the employer’s premium contribution to a SHOP plan. In 2014, SHOPs will have the flexibility to decide whether employers can let their employees choose from a number of plans, or can offer their employees one plan that the employer chooses.
New member-run, non-profit health insurers, called Consumer Operated and Oriented Plans (CO-OPs) will offer coverage inside and outside the Marketplace. To date, 24 non-profits that plan to offer coverage in 24 states have been awarded nearly $2 billion to set up CO-OPs.
States have new opportunities to expand Medicaid coverage to individuals with family incomes at or below 133 percent of the federal poverty level (generally $31,322 for a family of four in 2013). This expansion includes non-elderly adults without dependent children, who have not previously been eligible in most states.
Consumers will be able to fill out one application to see if they qualify for a range of health coverage options - including plans in the Marketplace, Medicaid and CHIP - or lower costs on monthly premiums based on their income. For many, the three-page application for individual market Marketplace coverage can be completed, on average, in just 10 minutes, which is much shorter than the industry standard today. You can fill out the application online, in person, over the phone or via mail. The SHOP employee and employer paper applications are two and three pages, respectively.
Consumers will have access to a number of resources to learn about the Marketplace and navigate their coverage options. They can get in-person assistance from Navigators, non-Navigator assistance personnel, certified application counselors, and/or agents and brokers. Community Health Centers in all 50 states have also received a total of $150 million in federal grants to help enroll uninsured Americans.
The newly remodeled HealthCare.gov is the destination for consumers to prepare for open enrollment and ultimately sign up for health coverage. It includes a 24/7 live chat function, and the newly launched Marketplace call center is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week (1-800-318-2596 toll free, or 1-855-889-4325 for the hearing impaired). Spanish-speaking consumers can go to CuidadoDeSalud.gov.

Learn More

Learn more about how the Affordable Care Act is improving health care where you live: Interactive Map: The Affordable Care Act in Your State

Visit HealthCare.gov to get ready for open enrollment in the Health Insurance Marketplace on Oct. 1.
 

JL A. (275)
Friday September 20, 2013, 6:43 pm
Sorry for such a long comment Kit--I wanted people to have the factual information they need to get their coverage and not miss Open Enrollment because of the Congressional Circus Act.
 

Ros G. (91)
Friday September 20, 2013, 7:34 pm
Thank you JL A even I found this compelling reading
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday September 20, 2013, 8:55 pm

And Ros has no need of the information. Now if only more Americans would find it equally compelling so they could actually know it is they are grumbling about. I don't take the grumbling too seriously, the whining, complaining, gnashing of teeth, threats and fears over instituting Medicare were very much like we are seeing with Obama care. The republicans warned that the sun would tilt on it's axis and the earth would fry if we allowed this horrible wretched socialism. We did allow it, it was a big program but not a big as Obama care because it was just for seniors. Even with all the fretting and dire warnings today we can not imagine not having Medicare, put simply it works.
 

GGmaSheila D. (171)
Friday September 20, 2013, 8:56 pm
Very good info, and ammo, for me when explaining the new healthcare laws to my mother - who believes that the new healthcare hasn't gone into effect yet. Big argument with her just last week about this. Really nice to have some numbers and a place to go to. Thank you much.
 

Robert K. (31)
Friday September 20, 2013, 10:21 pm
The good thing about all this is that Wall St and their other corporate backers are screaming at them to stop the insanity. If they don't back down a huge loss of funding is in their future, and without the funds to pay for 24/7 lies the party is toast.

I can't speak for Obama and with his record of caving I wouldn't put money on it, but I'd bet matchsticks that's what he's counting on. Of course he could have avoided all this and kept Howard Dean running the party instead of bringing in DINOs like Emmanuel and Bill Daley, the a-hole who snatched defeat from easy victory for Gore.
 

Ros G. (91)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 12:28 am
Thanks Kit but I could have a need for this information especially if I have diversified into the American share market and in particular the Health Insurance sector..scary stuff on offer here. stopping unreasonable rate hikes/non-profit health insurers/more choices for people and to cap it off spend at least 80cents of your premium dollar on Health Care..since when have Insurers been seen as a Charity..shareholders won't be happy..CEO's won't be happy...and fancy not been able to cancel a persons insurance when they get sick...unheard of..to Liberal for words.
 

Diane O. (148)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 3:34 am
The republicans have absolutely nothing to do with companies all over our country shedding jobs. The facts are the facts about Obamacare and how it has adversely affected small businesses and large, medical clinics,

Our country is different from other countries which makes it hard to compare it with others in terms of health insurance. Health insurance companies have pulled out of the exchanges. This has nothing to do with the republicans. It's about the American people and they are letting the White House know that they don't want Obamacare.

There's a better way.

Perhaps through all of this turmoil over Obamacare the right solution will surface. There's a solution to every problem. We need to find the solution.

JLA, thank you for posting the above information. Unfortunately, the American people see many problems ahead with Obamacare as do the insurance companies, doctors, clinics and businesses.
 

Roseann D. (178)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 4:17 am
Apparantly such companies are as ill-informed as you are Diane O. Glad to see Care 2ers are taking unCaring 2er Diane O to heel. Or is she intentionally trying to misinform as that is how she wishes it to be?
 

Ros G. (91)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 4:57 am
Bravo Diane O..I really hope you are being paid for all this..you along with David F on other threads..if you are not..then please come and work for me..your passion, your input..WOW...I would love to get that for zilch..but isn't that how America is heading without these reforms??
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 6:20 am
Each side seems to be playing "chicken" - we'll have to see who ultimately puts his hands back on the wheel.
 

Diane O. (148)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 9:33 am
Roseann, can you answer this question? Why are companies throughout the US dropping full time employees to part time status? Why are insurance companies pulling out of Obamacare exchanges? If you can answer that question for me with some semblance of credible information, then I will stand corrected as I am prone to do when I am wrong.

Ros, I love my country and I'm a proud American. I grew up in a military family surrounded by other military families in a city surrounded by military bases. I married a 30 year Navy man who is now doing great work outside of Washington DC until we retire. I research and read the "traffic" every day on my websites and I've been doing this for years. Am I getting paid? Many here believe I do get paid for the hours I spend trying to bring the truth before the biased left wing media followers.

Bottom line, Barack Obama never should've been elected president. After 5 years, we know we have lost years of low growth in our country, no jobs, high unemployment, massive debt (think the $860 billion failed stimulus sold to us as a job's bill for crying out loud where every single green company handpicked by Obama has gone bankrupt) and now look at his lack of leadership and conviction in foreign affairs. Obamacare is just another failed attempt of Obama's.....he simply does not have the skills to fix what is wrong.

Lindsey, I don't know about each side playing "chicken" you could be right and you could be wrong. We'll have to wait and see. The polls suggest that the American people want no part of Obamacare.
 

Twyla Sparks (208)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 12:50 pm
very interesting, now we just sit back to see what happens, that's the only way we will really know what its all about!
 

Ravenna C. (20)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 1:18 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen there is only one thing we the voter and taxpayer can do. VOTE EVERY LAST CORPORATE OWNED POLITICIAN OUT OF OFFICE!!

EVERY SINGLE ONE. We have to completely clean house and go back to the idea of Part-Time Statesman and NO LOBBY DOLLARS PERIOD!!!!!

It is our only chance.
 

jan b. (3)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 1:47 pm
The Supreme Court said OBamacare was Constitutional and now the GOPTP want to break the law cause they don't agree with it ? It's just a plan to shut down the government and hope for the best. and that’s not a great plan.
What's so surprising about another attempt to get rid of Obamacare....when Republicans are still trying to kill social security and medicare. Anyone with half a brain knows just whose side the GOP is on and it's on the side of insurance companies. No Obamacare and the insurance companies come out the sole winners once again cause they won't have to spend 80% of your premiums on healthcare for a start.
No one should forget the GOP agenda is one of punishment and always punishment ....whether its on food stamps for seniors/children and out of work people or trying to take away soc security and medicare. Congress rejoiced when they are funding their own SOCIALIZED SUBSIDIZED healthcare but The GOP in congress have a mob mentality which does diminish a sense of shame or even accountability for their actions against the best interest of the society they are representing.
If the GOP shuts down the gov't I guarantee that the independents at the voting booth will see to it that the GOPTP will never control the govt again in our lifetime.



 

Ros G. (91)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 3:11 pm
Thanks Diane, I know this question wasn't directed at me. But it is one that I'm qualified to answer.
"Why are companies throughout the US dropping full time employees to part time status?" In your very own bragging words "Unions are Passe"...trust me on this I did many years of paid work in the Industrial Relations/Human Resource areas..I worked with adviser for the Government on "how to break the back of employees so Companies could run their business their way without interference from the Unions" Yes, it's all about Employer rights..not employees. Employees are dispensable and now Corporations are finding that they are dispensable to...shareholders were once employees too so they use the same tactics that applied to them.

Of course you grew up in a Military family...it shows.
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 3:41 pm
I'm afraid, Ros G, that growing up in a military family doesn't intrinsically stamp any particular ideological mark on a person. Kit also grew up as a military brat and has significantly a different outlook than Diane O. Just as I, an Army wife (who really enjoyed being 'married to the military') fall somewhere different on the spectrum than either of them in some ways.
 

Ros G. (91)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 4:20 pm
Thank you Lindsey for that "rap over the knuckles"..shouldn't generalize I know...it was more about the Patriotism..funny how they have "RIOT" in the middle of that word...riots can lead to wars maybe that's why they spell it that way...
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Saturday September 21, 2013, 4:35 pm
That's probably true, Ros - being part of a military family probably does make a person more likely to be openly patriotic. I, for one, always (really always) start to tear up when getting to the part in the National Anthem about '....gave proof through the night that our flag was still there....' (And I thumb my nose very, very rudely at those who want to replace our beautiful anthem with that rather simplistic 'America the Beautiful'!)
 

Diane O. (148)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 3:24 am
Thank you, Ros and Lindsey, for informative dialogue and heartfelt comments. I'm glad it is obvious that I grew up in a strong military environment and family. Most of the children I grew up with learned personal responsibility from our parents as well as being proud of our country. We had excellent role models who never intended to be a burden on society and to do our part through education and training, joining the military ourselves to continue being a part of a strong and giving country to those in need of a helping hand.

Yes, it does shape one's life growing up surrounded by people who loved their country.
 

Ros G. (91)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 5:22 am
Diane..enough of your own rhetoric...Military families feed off the State..you are not part of Private Enterprise which you so highly defend..without your Country to pay for you..where would you fit into the scheme of things?
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 5:28 am

Very true, Ros. And....Love country was also true of Hitler. People have an affinity for their place of birth even when circumstance forces them leave.
 

Ros G. (91)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 5:35 am
In the words of the GOP "you're a taker" Now you will probably come back and say "Everyone has choices"
 

Ros G. (91)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 5:47 am
Kit..I like you are a refugee..
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 6:49 am
Those in the military are employed by the government in a job which can't be duplicated in the private sector in any rational way - they aren't receiving some kind of unearned benefit. They aren't "takers" - in fact, considering the dangers and restrictions inherent in the job and considering the low compensation, "takers" is the last thing I'd call a soldier (or his/her family, who also put up with a great deal civilians don't have to).
 

Diane O. (148)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 6:54 am
FYI, I was a small business owner for years and sold my business. I have been working for a wealth management company for nearly three years. So, before you post comments from a position of no knowledge you should think before you push the submit button.

Military families give 20 to 30 years of their lives (not all but many) moving around every two years never able to build equity in a home so when they do retire they have to start from scratch where home ownership is concerned. They are separated from their families on deployment for months and spend years putting their lives on the line to protect our freedom. These people also have no 401k opportunities so when they receive retirement benefits, which, by the way, is NOT transferrable, it is a way of making up the difference. So, please, don't make broad statements like that when you are spewing your opinions. Know your facts.

Ros, great words. We are ALL a product of the choices we make in life.

Not everyone loves their country. How do we know this? Check out the number of people standing in line to become American citizens....legally.

The Hispanics are flooding the borders leaving their country to come to ours. Why is this? Anyone have an answer for that?
 

Diane O. (148)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 6:57 am
To those of you who do not love your country here in the US, why don't you leave and take up residence in another country? Ros, you did, right? I see nothing wrong with that. In fact, I believe you are in a good place. If only those Americans who hate their country would just follow your path and relocate....
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 7:02 am
And let us not forget clearing quarters, Diane. One of my least-favorite things to do in this world. I'll take moving out of civilian housing any day over trying to satisfy the requirements of the inspector when vacating military housing.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 7:06 am

Not really true. I think you will find that mercenaries are paid so much better than a US soldier. At one time mercenaries were considered the underbelly of military work. Our society loves money, makes decisions about who is valuable based on how much money they are paid. Therefore, logic dictates that we value the mercenary above the volunteer. To extent that, we need only take a quick look at the horrible condition of military health benefits. If I had returned from one of the many wars of opportunity and had lost a limb but had to wait up to year for VA treatments, I too would be angry.

I did grow up in a military family. All of the men on my father's side have served this country and none were drafted. Including but sadly not limited to the Revolutionary war with England, the men and some of the women have fought, bled and sometimes died for this flag. (I add women because we know that one dressed as Confederate soldier and many women in the long history of this family were out there providing nurse assistance to the doctors.)

Yes, they made a choice. That choice does not make them or me any more or less patriotic.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 7:09 am

Oh yes -- America love or leave it. To hell with the idea of each having a right to think and act on that thought as a freedom and the right to pursue happiness. I refuse to be just another of those who thinks along one constant thought process and therefore believing that is the right way.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 7:13 am

Now that is a stupid statement. Not everyone that was affected by the Irish potato famine wanted to come to the US but it offered a chance for life when the famine was taking lives. They or their children stood in lines to become citizens and still loved the country of Ireland. I can go on an go with these parallels. People do tend to love the country of their birth, even when circumstance forces them to leave.
 

Diane O. (148)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 7:23 am
Your background is not unique, Kit. Many Americans can say the same about their ancestors.

The backlog in helping our veterans receive the healthcare and benefits they deserve is longer than one year at this point. Something wrong with that picture. Michelle Obama early after Obama was inaugurated stood before the American people and pledged to help our veterans. What has she done? Not much from where I sit. If Americans aren't supporting The Wounded Warrior project like we are I encourage them to do so if they have the means to do so. There are other organizations sending money to them as well.

If our government would get a task force to get rid of the $60 billion a year we fund as taxpayers in the fraud and abuse in our programs, we would have money to take care of our disabled veterans for their lifetimes. Why aren't we doing this? Why isn't this a priority for Obama? Instead of helping our own, we are pouring billions into giving the illegals free healthcare, housing, schools, etc while our returning vets can't get any funding for continued healthcare or funds to live on to support their families. Meanwhile, Michelle jumps all around an elementary classroom pushing "drink water." Have YOU heard Michelle address what she is doing for our returning vets in the past four years? I haven't.

Patriotic people join the military. Patriotic people do not join the military. That is a choice. The military is not a career choice for many Americans and thank God for that because we need these Americans to be at home building their businesses and corporations so that the rest of us can have jobs and receive benefits.
 

Kathy B. (99)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 7:24 am
Diane O. do you try hard to be offensive, or does it just come naturally for you?

It is particularly offensive that you think just because you were in the military you are more patriotic than anyone else. Also offensive is your view that those who don't think like you aren't patriotic and are undeserving to live in this country.

I love the country I grew up in, and would dearly love to take it back from people like you.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 7:56 am

The majority of people that join the military are looking for a job and do not realize that the skills they learn will not help them to be employed after they muster out.

I did not say my background was unique, but it figures that is the best you can take from that. Though of the families that do trace back to pre-revolution, and continue on that is fairly unique.

When in doubt, trash the First Lady. Some of them have done spectacular things, Eleanor Roosevelt comes to mind. Michelle has come causes she is passionate about, good for her. Not one of them harms anyone and in fact, all are beneficial to those who wish to follow her lead.

Most of that comment is just too petty for a response.
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 7:56 am
Even people who genuinely don't like the U.S. still have a right to remain here. Since citizenship isn't determined by state of mind. And luckily we here in the U.S. still have the Constitutional right to disagree as loudly as we please with our government. A certain amount of dissent is a product of a healthy society.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 8:00 am

Right on. Lindsey. If people just agreed with the governing body what would Diane have to whine about? If we just agreed with the governing body there would not have been a revolution from England.
 

Ros G. (91)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 3:20 pm
Diane I am not an Indigenous Australia..that honour belongs to the "First People" their love of Country is stronger than thosel that followed..you are not a Native America either..so you are a refugee as well and your love of Country is not as strong as theirs..you just don't want, can't or refuse to see it. Being PatROITic is not a love of Country..it's a love of symbols, power and glory.

Kit thank you so much for your for pointing out that mercenaries are also part - a great part of the Armed forces and at least we do know why they do it - big buck action men.

As for Military families it is a career choice, I know it isn't an easy life for the children being uprooted from schools and friends all the time..but that happens to bank managers, teachers, etc but at least they aren't put into enclaves.. they interact with the broader community, makes life more real.

It often amazes me how a man/women..can apply to join the Armed Forces get sent off on a-tour-of-duty..after a couple of years - gets a leg blown off-comes back home...is classified a Veteran..has to wait for 12 months..and is not classed as a "Military Family" and looked after as such...

Kit I hope the Cowboys won...Lindsey, I hope you enjoyed your evening as well..Diane enjoy your Stars&Stripes...oohhh the mind boogles..tut, tut Ros don't go there
 

JL A. (275)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 8:58 pm
One fact is that the exchanges have more different insurance companies and plans than the states had before ACA--numbers seems to mean insurance companies are happy to participate...and no one can help those who choose non-factual sources for their opinions be they doctors or other health care providers, small businesses (note the special part of the exchanges that are expected to better meet their needs) and even larger ones (Walgrens and Sears announced they were adding such coverage for their employees via exchanges I heard last week on the radio).
 

Robert B. (58)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 9:24 pm
I smell BS. Oh, it's the misinformed and opinionated one! The one that CAN'T come up with a better solution for this country's healthcare. By the way, RomneyCare/AfordableCareAct/Obamacare is ALREADY WORKING!!!!! Just like RomneyCare in Mass.
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 11:21 pm
Kit is indeed native American. As am I. We were both born here and we're citizens - we're natives of this Country (our ancestors came from elsewhere just as the ancestors of the American Indians came from elsewhere). Just as the ancestors of the aboriginal Australians came from elsewhere.
 

Roseann D. (178)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 11:29 pm
Diane O. Because the GOP Bullsh*t machine is hard at work mucking minds and misinforming...and Diane you have yet to post a credible source for your muckraking..We are all still waiting but not holding our breath for that miracle Diane.
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Sunday September 22, 2013, 11:38 pm
I really dislike the way words are co-opted by some to exclude and delegitimize others.

"na·tive
adjective \ˈnā-tiv\

: born in a particular place

—used to refer to the place where a person was born and raised

: belonging to a person since birth or childhood"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/native

Nor are we "refugees"

"ref·u·gee
noun \ˌre-fyu̇-ˈjē, ˈre-fyu̇-ˌ\

: someone who has been forced to leave a country because of war or for religious or political reasons"

Neither Kit nor I left any other country for any reason. Some of our distant ancestors may have been refugees (and some likely weren't, having come here voluntarily for other reasons.)

I rather doubt there's a person living much of anywhere today whose ancestors didn't migrate there from another region (and I'm quite certain there isn't a person living today whose ancestors weren't involved in the conquest of other peoples). Those whose ancestors were white Europeans aren't unique in any such respect and it's a profound irritation that way too many insist we are.
 

Ros G. (91)
Monday September 23, 2013, 2:44 am
Thanks Lindsey...you're probably right..our local aboriginal tribe has only occupied this area for 30,000 years(proven by science and carbon dating) and they admit that other tribes around Australia are older..next time I'm talking to one of the elders..I will ask them which "mob" they bumped off to take over the lands..bet they'll tell me it wasn't a "whitefella". I really can't understand how people can find history so offensive...We came, we saw, we conquered for what ever reason..it's the migration of man...one's fleeing from poverty... are starting to be called "Economic Refugees" by our Government...the word immigrant is starting to leave our vocabulary...pleased you don't use that phrase in the US of A..
 

Ros G. (91)
Monday September 23, 2013, 3:11 am
" I have been working for a wealth management company for nearly three years". Diane..no wonder you are so nervous about the future...hope you didn't recommend people buy shares in Health Insurance companies...they could end up like the ones that got caught up in the GFC....
 

JL A. (275)
Monday September 23, 2013, 10:53 am
Thank you Lindsey and Ros for your examination of appropriate and respectful treatment of others, including those who may disagree with one's own opinion.

For those interested in factual information about the ACA exchanges:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42663.pdf
"Coverage Offered through the Exchanges
Most private health insurance plans sold through exchanges must include a comprehensive set of
benefits. The law specifies standards for the types and levels of coverage that can be offered
through exchanges.
Coverage Levels and Benefits
Generally, exchange plans must (1) cover “essential health benefits” (EHBs), at a minimum; (2)
limit cost-sharing, including out-of-pocket costs; and (3) provide coverage that meets one of four
levels of plan generosity based on actuarial value (defined below).
83
These requirements will
become effective beginning in 2014, to dovetail with the establishment of exchanges. The
following discusses them in greater detail. "

"Health Insurance Exchanges Under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA)
Congressional Research Service
27
Essential Health Benefits
ACA does not explicitly list the benefits that comprise essential health benefits (EHBs). Instead,
the law identifies 10 broad benefit categories which must be included in EHBs, at a minimum:

ambulatory patient services;

emergency services;

hospitalization;

maternity and newborn care;

mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health
treatment;

prescription drugs;

rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices;

laboratory services;

preventive and wellness and chronic disease management; and

pediatric services, including oral and vision care.
States may impose additional benefit mandates
beyond what is required under EHBs. However,
any state that requires health plans to offer benefits beyond EHBs must assume the total cost of
providing those additional benefits, for all the plans, and regardless of whether or not an
individual is receiving any financial assistance
with premiums or cost-sharing. The state must
make payments either directly to the individuals enrolled in health plans affected by the state
benefit mandates, or to such plans on behalf of enrolled individuals.
84"

This Congressional Research Service Report:
Health Insurance Exchanges Under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA)
Congressional Research Service
Contents
Introduction ..................................................................................................................
.................... 7
ACA Exchanges .................................................................................................................
.............. 8
Establishment of ACA Exchanges ................................................................................................
... 9
State Exchanges ...............................................................................................................
........ 10
Operational Structure of
a State Exchange ........................................................................ 11
Governance of a State Exchange ....................................................................................... 12
Federally-Facilita
ted Exchange ...............................................................................................
12
What Exchanges Do..............................................................................................................
......... 13
Eligibility and
Enrollment ....................................................................................................
... 14
Individual Exchange ..........................................................................................................
15
SHOP Exchange ................................................................................................................
20
Plan Management Re
sponsibilities .......................................................................................... 21
Consumer Assistance a
nd Accountability ................................................................................ 22
Financial Ma
nagement ..........................................................................................................
.. 23
Federal Responsibilities for Establishment
and Administration of All Exchanges........................ 24
Federal Oversight .............................................................................................................
....... 24
Federal Financial Assistance ..................................................................................................
. 25
Coverage Offered through the Exchanges ..................................................................................... 26
Coverage Levels and Benefits .................................................................................................
26
Essential Health
Benefits .................................................................................................. 27
Cost-Sharing Requirements ............................................................................................... 29
Levels of Plan Generosity ................................................................................................. 29
Exchange Health Plans .........................................................................................................
... 30
Qualified Health Plans ...................................................................................................... 3
0
Multi-Stat
e Plans .............................................................................................................
.. 31
Child-Only Qualified Health Plans ................................................................................... 31
Consumer Operated and Oriented Plans ........................................................................... 32
Catastrophic Plan..............................................................................................................
. 33
Stand-Alone Dental Benefits ............................................................................................. 33
Cost Assistance ...............................................................................................................
......... 34
Premium Tax
Credits ......................................................................................................... 3
4
Cost-Sharing
Subsidies ..................................................................................................... 35
Interaction with Other ACA Provisions .........................................................................................
36
Individual
Mandate ............................................................................................................
...... 36
Employer Re
quirements .........................................................................................................
. 36
Reforms to Private Health
Insurance
Markets ......................................................................... 37
Medicaid ......................................................................................................................
 

Suzanne O. (35)
Monday September 23, 2013, 12:05 pm
Just the other day I was looking for information on NJ exchanges. They say they will be up and running by October but that no cost figures are available at this time.

To be honest, I know whatever comes out will be lower than the $1,800 per month we paid to cover my husband, daughter and myself. I am very concerned though that they will actually be affordable when you already are stretched to the max and really have no more money to put out.

We shall see...

I am so sick of hearing about all of this. I just want it done one way or the other. If I can't afford the exchange, which is very likely. I'll suck up the tax penalty punishment they wish to inflict on those that are not poor enough and not rich enough. Time to move along.
 

Suzanne O. (35)
Monday September 23, 2013, 12:14 pm
Just because it was discussed above, Kit and Lindsey. My fathers side of the family fought in the Revolutionary War as well. Two brothers died at the Battle of Antietem (Union). My line came from the third surviving brother. My family is still military oriented with my nephew just returning from Afghanistan a few months back.

Military families are not leeches and sacrifice a hell of a lot for us all. No matter what their reason for joining up.
 

Diane O. (148)
Monday September 23, 2013, 3:20 pm
Suzanne, I'm so glad you said that "military families are NOT leeches and do sacrifice. By the way, my husband I have visited Antietem and Gettysburg many times walking the battle sites with our little map in our hands trying to re-enact the actual battle.

Thanks for stepping up to the plate for the military. You are a shining star. : )
 

Diane O. (148)
Monday September 23, 2013, 3:25 pm
Roseanne, your response is a bit abrasive. I'm glad I don't respond to your comments the way you respond to mine. We are all here trying to figure this out. The bottom line is that it isn't necessary to provide a source for my personal opinions. I read left and right websites and what WE KNOW is that companies are reducing full time employees to part time status and insurance companies, major insurance companies, are pulling out of the exchanges. I don't have to give you sources....you are reading the web traffic on this yourself. The question is why is this happening? The liberals really should address what is happening where Obamacare is concerned. I'm a moderate republican. I'm reading the websites on both sides and they are saying the same thing.
 

Ros G. (91)
Monday September 23, 2013, 3:31 pm
Thank you JL A for that acknowledgement and also all this information that you are putting forward to explain the ObamaCare plan for those that are interested..your healthcare costs are unbelievably high..I have people telling me that they are paying $500 per month for a script that would cost no more than $36 here in Australia..on top of all your other premiums..if you all paid a levy to the Government based on your income and not to a Corporation then a better system may become available to you one day...I truly hope so because to constantly have to worry about paying for health it will indeed ultimately make you sick..that what stress does.

BTW..I to come from a long line of Military families it started with Genghis Khan but it stopped with my Grandfather (paternal) he was in the private Army of the last Tzar of Russia.. now they were "takers"..and I find no offense in the use of that word.. Where I do take offense is when an elected Government Official in a high ranking position on the World stage has the audacity to refer to some of their citizens "as takers" because they don't fall into his perception of "ideal citizens". You all have to work together if you want better outcomes for your Country and your Citizens..and stop the branding.
 

JL A. (275)
Monday September 23, 2013, 3:42 pm
No sources= no credibility and high likelihood of fantasy, misinformation, disinformantion, myth or otherwise fictitious or untrue.
 

JL A. (275)
Monday September 23, 2013, 3:47 pm
Many states had no competition previously (one purpose the exchanges are expected to change) related http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/412645-Plan-Participation-in-Health-Insurance-Exchanges.pdf

The 15 states ready as of July 2011 facts:
http://www.acatoday.org/content_css.cfm?CID=4578
 

JL A. (275)
Monday September 23, 2013, 3:51 pm
Kaiser's state by state data on each exchange component, including actuarial.

http://kff.org/state-category/health-reform/
 

JL A. (275)
Monday September 23, 2013, 3:53 pm
CA example (20% of national population)
http://www.governing.com/news/state/mct-california-health-exchange-options-revealed.html
 

JL A. (275)
Monday September 23, 2013, 4:39 pm
One general guide on costs Ros--if one makes under $40,000 per year premium cost will be under $100 (with the subsidy aspect to make costs affordable--why it is called the Affordable Care Act).
 

Kathy B. (99)
Monday September 23, 2013, 4:56 pm
I had a terrible thought, how much of our taxpayer $$ would be wasted if the ACA were defunded? I'm thinking of the money the states have invested in setting up exchanges, setting up websites to guide citizens thru the process...

 

Brian M. (192)
Monday September 23, 2013, 5:00 pm
If the two party elitist pig system cannot find the funds to feed the children, the elderly, and the poor, much less to cover their health care cost, then who needs this BS gov't? Throw them all out and let them starve for a change.
 

Brian M. (192)
Monday September 23, 2013, 5:03 pm
The really terrible thing is the sheer amount of taxpayer dollars wasted on keeping our representatives fed, on paying for their health care, and for their retirement...while all the rest of us get squat. Worse still is all the money thrown down the toilet of endless wars that the American people never had a voice in and if they had, they would have said hell no. This is what a system based upon two free market capitalist parties gets all of us. We need the progressive left to rise up desperately.
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday September 23, 2013, 5:41 pm

Third, fourth, fifth and sixth parties are most certainly able to run campaigns Brian. This is the system we have and other than some slight changes along the way, it will probably not change much. I don't see a brewing up rising other than within the Republican party. I can fully understand why Republicans are concerned and disenchanted by one man's proposal to gain more self aggrandizement at the expensive of both the Republicans and this country.

Thanks Ros, Roseann, Kathy, Suzanne and J L for thoughts and opinions and extra information. Diane, I agree we are struggling to find answers. Currently, we have one at least a temporary one that will alleviate some of the burdens caused by the painfully expensive cost of health care in the United States. Neither we as individuals nor the government can afford to continue this destructive path we have been following.
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday September 23, 2013, 5:45 pm

**At the expense of both the....(typo)
 

Dale O. (190)
Monday September 23, 2013, 6:27 pm
Diane O said: "Our country is different from other countries which makes it hard to compare it with others in terms of health insurance."

Rofl! Oh, yes, the U.S. is sooooo different. Only in the minds of Teabaggers and republi-can'ts who for all intents and purposes live on another planet.

Glad to see Kit B countering Diane O's 'love it or leave it' nonsense. A number of right wingers in the U.S. seem to love to propagandize that somehow they are more patriotic than liberals.

I am relieved that I live in Canada and never have to put up with teabagger nonsense. The teabagger tornado continues to tally up their destructive damage. It's time to consign them to the compost heap of history where they truly belong!
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday September 23, 2013, 6:39 pm

Yeah, but Dale you do have Harper to content with. We can get rid of some one after 4 years, betcha wish you could. Ted Cruz is working to do exactly that, any remaining credibility the TP had is now gone in the minds of those who....think.
 

Dale O. (190)
Monday September 23, 2013, 7:14 pm
Yes, Kit....but even Harper can't pull off some of the more weirder right wing nonsense that the tea party brews.

They will be out on their ears - which is where they are headed for the next election anyway. Even though our con-servatives are annoying they are often regarded as 'lefties' by teabaggers because if they even tried to dismantle universal healthcare they would face their doom politically. So they find other things to annoy us with.

The only reason that the con-servatives were elected was that the Liberals had picked someone rather ineffective as their leader ages ago. The Liberals get elected so often they had the nickname of The Natural Governing Party, but if they are in for too long they do get somewhat arrogant and need a retirement from power every now and then.

Every once in awhile con-servatives get in and then they get ousted because they keep on trying to pass legislation that grates people the wrong way. One election in the 1990's, the conservatives were reduced from a seat standing of well over one hundred to two seats in the Federal Parliament. That was quite a delightful event. Two seats.
 

Dale O. (190)
Monday September 23, 2013, 7:48 pm
Yes, we can get rid of politicians whenever the next election is called. Now, it's every four years. We have more than a two party system, for the most part it is three main parties and a collection of others.

At least the Bloc Quebecois was pretty well decimated. That is a federal (snicker) party that came into existence after a failed Constitutional amendment in the 1990s. The BQ main reason for existence is its agenda of separating from Canada and was founded by a former conservative cabinet minister who quit the federal party. So that's what some conservative ex-cabinet ministers do in their spare time...


They had won 54 out of the 75 federal seats in Quebec in the 1990's and had became the Official Opposition party in Parliament. Now they have 4 seats, well under the 12 needed for official party status in Parliament.

The separatists are in power provincially today as the Parti Quebecois, but they only have a minority government so the other parties won't even let them hold yet another separation (from big bad Canada).

Separation referendums from Canada tend to get emotional as they get to be decidedly nasty divisive affairs even pitting family members against each other, so not many, except separatists are really all that interested in having yet another.

The PQ is into the 'If at first we don't secede, try, try again' version of politics. So far, we have managed to fight our civil war with words only. It's too cold in the winter to have a real civil war should they actually one day declare independence and try to seize federal military bases. (Ottawa sometimes moves military assets like fighter jets out of the province a week before a referendum just for fun and to keep separatist paws off of just in case).

Separation gives the media something to do as well, providing the forestry industry jobs by cutting down tons of trees for newspapers to cover each referendum. The trees are thanking the great tree spirit for the advent of the electronic media since not as many trees are sacrificed these days to media coverage when Quebec wants to pick up its marbles and separate from Canada yet again.

Only here and in a few other democracies do taxpayers fund a political party and pay the salaries of Members of Parliament be they federal or provincial that wish to break up the country. The rest of the country called them the Bloc heads.

 

Kit B. (276)
Monday September 23, 2013, 8:06 pm

From the American POV it's bit confusing but I have so many friends from Canada, I'm beginning to understand. Thanks Dale, for clearing things up on the Canadian political front. What are you guys going to do with those F- 35's? That is if they are ever functional.
 

Ros G. (91)
Monday September 23, 2013, 10:30 pm
Thanks JL A our system is different and it is very hard to compare what we pay..Firstly our Medicare Levy is 1.5% of our taxable income but only cuts in if you earn $20K pa (single) families get off-sets depending on children etc..once a person earns $168K they either have the choice of taking out Private Health Insurance or paying a surcharge of another 1.5%..this is to encourage those that can afford Private Health Care but because they paid the Levy up to the first $168K they are still entitled to prescriptions, etc..if they were admitted into a public hospital because of an accident, etc..they would not have to pay anything nor would their Private Insurer...it is an easy system but hard to explain..
 

Ros G. (91)
Monday September 23, 2013, 10:37 pm
Diane O I answered your question re full time jobs replace with casual workers...because it was an area of my expertise.. no response from that did I hear...so is this a case of "reading with your mouth?" or as Jason R put it on another thread "Do we have an example of another peasant doing the bidding for the rich?"
 

JL A. (275)
Monday September 23, 2013, 11:13 pm
Here is factual evidence of Medicare fraud we actually got the money back on (mostly from the private corporate vendors):
Health Care Fraud, Record $4.2 Billion Recovered In 2012, USA
"Health and Human Services and the Department of Justice say that a record-breaking $4.2 billion were recovered as a result of joint efforts to address health care fraud in 2012.

Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and Attorney General Eric Holder issued a report which showed that for every dollar the US government spent on health care-related fraud and abuse investigations over the last 36 months, it got $7.90 back. This is a record over a three-year period since the HCFAC (Health Care Fraud and Abuse) Program began sixteen years ago."

"Over $23 billion have been returned to the Medicare Trust Funds since 1997 by the HCFAC Program."
 

Ros G. (91)
Monday September 23, 2013, 11:54 pm
Sorry JL A..can't give you any fraud figures from our system..seems..any cases that do appear are from Doctor over-servicing...but..that's pretty much under control and if the Government finds a weakness in the system then they just close it up..all Doctors must us a special computer system for writing out, scripts, pathology, etc..doesn't matter if they are "bulk billing" Doctors or not. Also for some of the more specialized services there are co-payments and believe me..when patients have to start paying those..they do question their Doctor if they really need them..because the majority of people are used to paying nothing for pathology, x-rays, etc.
 

JL A. (275)
Tuesday September 24, 2013, 8:52 am
That's OK Ros. When government is direct service provider (e.g., county health clinics) there is next to no fraud. When there is a public-private partnership, some private businesses engage in a lot of fraud, but most get caught and the money is returned to the system so it is never a significant problem now--in the past Congress tried not sufficiently funding the fraud-fighting aspect and seemed to learn their lesson.
 
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