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How the Koch Brothers Organized the Federal Shutdown

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I shall now describe the money-trail from there to Senator Ted Cruz, who directly headed the shutdown-effort in the U.S. Congress.

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Kit B (276)
Friday November 8, 2013, 11:01 am
Photo Credit: Robert Greenwald

How the Koch Brothers Organized the Federal Shutdown

I covered previously the decades-long Koch-operation that got us to where we are (see those earlier posts here, and here, and here, and here). I shall now describe the money-trail from there to Senator Ted Cruz, who directly headed the shutdown-effort in the U.S. Congress.

The two chief contributors to Cruz's political career donated over a million dollars to it (and no other entity donated as much as $100,000 to it). These two top sources of contributions to Mr. Cruz's political career were Club For Growth, and Senate Conservatives Fund, which together donated over a million dollars to it.

Here now is some background on the two top funders of Cruz's career:

The Club for Growth, which was the top donor ($700,000+) to Cruz, was founded in 1999 by Steve Moore. As Right Wing Watch has noted, "Before founding the Club for Growth, Moore was the director of fiscal policy at the Cato Institute, and has stayed on as a Senior Fellow." Here is how iron the Koch's control over the Cato Institute was, and is: David Weigel at bannered on 25 June 2012, “Ed Crane Steps Down to End Koch Brothers’ Attempted Coup at Cato,” and Weigel reported that the Kochs were firing Crane (who by that time was America’s longest-serving think-tank CEO), because he wasn’t doing a good enough job to “provide intellectual ammunition that we can then use at Americans for Prosperity and our allied organizations” in order to oust Barack Obama and the Democrats, and replace them with Republicans.

As the Right Wing Watch report also noted regarding the leadership of the Club For Growth: "Board Members: CFG President Pat Toomey; Vice President Chuck Pike [who was Toomey's long-time buddy]; Richard Gilder, formerly Chairman of the Manhattan Institute; and Thomas Rhodes, President of National Review magazine," and the CFG is "associated with a variety of right-wing organizations, including the Heritage Foundation." Each one of those entities and persons has been the recipient of much Koch "charitable" cash, even besides the payments for leadership in the CFG. Club for Growth was also overwhelmingly the largest direct donor to Jim DeMint's political career during 2007-2012 ($157,067 as compared to the #2 direct donor, Scana Corp., which is a S.C. energy company, $49,475); Koch Industries itself was #6 (at $22,000); Club for Growth was also the largest direct donor to DeMint's entire political career.

The #2 Cruz donor, the Senate Conservatives Fund, had been set up by the then-Senator Jim DeMint in 2008, and it funded the far-right Republican Pat Toomey's win of a Pennsylvania U.S. Senate seat from the merely conservative Republican incumbent U.S. Senator Arlen Spector, and it funded the far-right Republican Marco Rubio's win of a Florida U.S. Senate seat against the merely conservative former Florida Republican Governor Charlie Crist. Then, DeMint's CFG funded Ted Cruz's replacing Republican Kay Bailey Hutchinson as a Texas U.S. Senator. DeMint was able to do all of that because he had enjoyed massive funding from the Kochs and their friends (including Toomey). As Polluter Watch headlined on 6 December 2012, "Jim DeMint and Heritage Foundation Awash in Koch Brother Money." However, DeMint's backing by the Kochs was actually far greater than merely the Kochs' money; the Kochs were this nation's biggest "bundlers": DeMint was thus backed also by the Kochs' hundreds of billionaire and centi-millionaire friends, whom the Kochs had nurtured during decades, in their joint long campaign to take over the U.S. Government and to turn American democracy into a fascist government, controlled by a mega-corporate-elite behind closed doors, supported in this effort by religious fundamentalists such as Jim DeMint himself, who was a member of "the C-Street Family."

Here’s some background on that fundamentalist Christian connection: The Kochs' father, Fred Koch, had been a fundamentalist Christian co-founder of the John Birch Society, whose spin-off in 1981, which was/is the highly secretive fundamentalist Christian theocratic-aristocratic Council for National Policy, awarded his son Charles Koch their "Free Enterprise Award" in 1999.

Cruz himself (son of the firebrand fundamentalist minister Rafael Cruz) gets conservative fools to donate to the Koch machine and so to spread their propaganda even farther. "Keepthemhonest" at Daily Kos headlined on 24 September 20013, "Ted Cruz's 'Defund' Is a Fundraising Gimmick for Koch Bros Org to Rake in Millions," and he said that, "Ted Cruz claims that he started the 'dontfundit' website, but in reality all the donations go to Koch brothers' organizations. ... Cruz did not start that website at all, Koch brothers did." He noted: "Click on 'Donate' button and it says the money goes to: Senate Conservative Fund." And that's true; the suckers are paying directly into that DeMint-controlled political slush fund, which was seed-capitalized by the Kochs; this supercharges the Kochs' billionaire-bundling operation, which pumped $300,000+ into Cruz's "election." (Only the campaign of Jeff Flake in Arizona received more from it.)

The Koch machine has now been rather well documented, via leaks from the Kochs' periodic secret bundling-conferences. On 6 September 2011, Gavin Aronsen at Mother Jones bannered, "Exclusive: The Koch Brothers' Million-Dollar Donor Club," and he provided a partial list of the people who had donated $1,000,000 to that year's fund.

A more extensive sourcewatch list of "Koch Event 2010-06 Attendees" includes a substantial crossover with the member-list of the Council for National Policy, which is the broader theocratic-aristocratic secret organization that also meets behind closed doors collectively to evaluate Republican Presidential candidates, and to choose which ones will be propagandized to the faithful masses on Sunday mornings. This particular Koch Event list had 165 individual or couple-guests.

By: Eric Zuesse | Buzz Flash | Truth out |

Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of CHRIST’S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity.

Kit B (276)
Friday November 8, 2013, 11:03 am

This is your red meat for the day. (No animals died or were injured in the preparation of this article)

The information in this article should blow your hair back, and definitely give you something to chew on. Thank goodness for Puns.

Arielle S (313)
Friday November 8, 2013, 11:32 am
While I do appreciate your wit, Kit, there's nothing to be very thrilled about here. Altho, just because someone has a lot of money, it doesn't mean they are happy and these guys all have to have a healthy dose of self-hate in them somewhere. Well-hidden, yes, but then the rest of us have enough disgust to enshroud them anyway....

Past Member (0)
Friday November 8, 2013, 12:14 pm
Must be kinda difficult for Cruz to breathe, way down there in the Koch pocket. Fortunately, he has lots of GMO-free, green leafy stuff to eat.

JL A (281)
Friday November 8, 2013, 12:27 pm
The John Birch Society lost its political clout when transparency arrived and the money trail illuminated. Let us hope the younger generation has gone so far into corruption and the elements of abusive power and control, like what the research on domestic violence describes, that others will choose to abandon and avoid.

Gene J (290)
Friday November 8, 2013, 12:43 pm
The only thing I like about this is that no matter how much money the Koch boys spend, they simply can't buy the American people. They fooled a lot of people in 2010 with their pledge to work on jobs, jobs, jobs but they have been losing ever since and will continue to do so, thanks, in part, to news organization actually doing some REAL investigative reporting - a quality that has been lacking in "journalism" since the Reagan days. And also to the fact that the American people overwhelmingly support things the boys are very much against. The little catch phrase that GWB couldn't get out of his mouth is still true, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. As the number of rich white 1%er's continues to shrink by 1-2% per election, soon, more than half the voting public will no longer be rich, white and in control of everything. The people will take back the people's House and control of the people's affairs through the ballot box and the living colors of America's great melting pot becoming ever more visible in politics. The Koch boys may not be around to see that happen, but I so, so really hope they are. They are already mad as can be at the money they've squandered with no results to speak of. How Rove still has a job is beyond me, money from his PAC seems a guarantee of defeat. Which is sweet music to me. And the rest of under represented America.

Lois Jordan (63)
Friday November 8, 2013, 3:50 pm
Noted. Thanks, Kit. Yeah, I knew Flake from AZ was a "Koch-er"....election night was a bummer for me last year because I have 2 Senators beholden to everyone but the majority of their constituents. I do believe this "machine" will come back and bite them in the butt....seems to already have happened in some areas. "Progressive" organizations ARE responding, though, and massing for the next big election. I think we will be something to be reckoned with then, as we seem to be growing by leaps and bounds. Keep the faith and trudge onward!

pam w (139)
Friday November 8, 2013, 6:48 pm
Those BASTARDS should be tried for treason!

Katie & Bill D (107)
Friday November 8, 2013, 9:05 pm
And you know they are not done yet!!! Thank you Kit

Laurie H (817)
Friday November 8, 2013, 9:15 pm
No matter how hard the Koch Brother's may huff & puff, they'll never blow our house down!!!!!! Thanks so much Kit!!!!~

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 4:04 am

Ben O (171)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 5:12 am
The Koch Brothers; -Stinking rich, greedy assholes! (Am I allowed to say that...?) ~ :

. (0)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 7:19 am
Noted & posted Kit.

Thomas M (8)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 9:04 am
Mongo no like Kochs. Kochs bad for us. Ignore them forever. Breeding ignorance bad. Leech off stupid people. Stupid people slaves of lies. Lies hurt us. Stop the lies.

. (0)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 10:17 am
Someone needs to stop them. Thanks for sharing, Kit.

Joanne Dixon (38)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 10:52 am
If you are surprised you haven't been paying attention. Lois, yes, we definitely have the votes to stop them, but we have to get those votes to the polls and counted. Not easy, particularly since progressives are not good at voting in midterm elections. We all need to stoke the fire in the belly, not just the candidates.

Robert S (111)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 11:14 am
Personally I'm surprised that anyone who actually wants to know these facts, doesn't already know them...So while I'm always grateful for more information and details, it is a wonder to me that the relationships highlighted here are news to anyone. I'm not saying it shouldn't be posted. On the contrary. I just wonder... when and if, the message will finally get through if it hasn't gotten through yet...

Sorry, my dismay is showing.

JL A (281)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 1:33 pm
spam flagged--please join me until it is gone

Theodore Shayne (56)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 1:37 pm
Noted & posted

Birgit W (160)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 2:35 pm
Noted, thanks.

Katie K (70)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 3:16 pm
It's evil personified. The self-importance is mind blowing. All the power and money in all the world and they are nothing more than monsters. Here's to praying there is another level we go to after our journey here and they truly get what they deserve for all eternity and it ain't pretty.

Craig Pittman (52)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 5:23 pm
Thanks Kit. I agree with John's comment. in being amazed that there are still those out there who do not yet get it. Posts like yours Kit will certainly help.

Kit B (276)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 5:56 pm

I wonder if SPAMMERS and trolls think anyone reads that crap. Please flag the SPAM and do not feed the troll.

reft h (66)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 6:23 pm

Mary Donnelly (47)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 9:43 pm
Thanks Kit--again.

Diane O (194)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 3:52 am
"The Koch Brothers Ordered the Government Shut down" ~ Truth: No Budget Obama ~ here's the real news the liberals won't put up a thread about and I don't blame them:

"WASHINGTON — Even as President Barack Obama sold a new health care law in part by assuring Americans they would be able to keep their insurance plans, his administration knew that tens of millions of people actually could lose those their policies.

“If you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan. Period,” Obama said as he pitched the plan, the unqualified promise he made repeatedly.

Yet advisers did say in 2010 that there were large caveats and that anyone whose insurance plan changed would lose the promised protection of being able to keep existing plans. And a report in 2010 said that as many as 69 percent of certain employer-based insurance plans would lose that protection, meaning as many as 41 million people could lose their plans even if they wanted to keep them and would be forced into other plans. Another 11 million who bought their own insurance also could lose their plans. Combined, as many as 52 million Americans could lose or have lost old insurance plans.

Some or much of that loss of favored insurance is driven by normal year-to-year changes such as employers changing plans to save money. And many people could end up with better plans. But it is not what the president pledged.

Caught in the firestorm of his broken promise, Obama on Thursday apologized.

“I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me,” he told NBC News Thursday evening. “We’ve got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them and we are going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position as a consequence of this.”

The shifting narrative started as Obama worked to sell the entire health care overhaul to a skeptical nation and Congress. To win support from those who already had insurance, he made the promise that no one who liked their plan would lose it. The key was that millions of plans would be “grandfathered” in the new law, thus protected from any new requirements.

Yet as insurance companies started notifying hundreds of thousands this fall that their current policies were being canceled in preparation for new ones, it became clear that many were not guaranteed to keep their plans.

The White House and Congress have focused on cancelations of plans in the individual market, where people buy their own policies.

Obama insisted anew Thursday that the problem is limited to people who buy their own insurance. “We’re talking about 5 percent of the population who are in what’s called the individual market. They’re out there buying health insurance on their own,” he told NBC.

But a closer examination finds that the number of people who have plans changing, or have already changed, could be between 34 million to 52 million. That’s because many employer-provided insurance plans also could change, not just individually purchased insurance plans

Administration officials decline to say how many employer-sponsored plans could change. But those numbers could be between 23 million to 41 million, based on a McClatchy analysis of estimates offered by the Department of Health and Human Services in June 2010.

Obama aides did acknowledge around the time the law was enacted in 2010 that some people could lose their coverage if their plans changed after the law was passed. Those people would in turn receive what the administration described as superior coverage. But in the years since the law’s passage, HHS officials have downplayed that consequence of the hard-fought law.

“If health plans significantly raise co-payments or deductibles or significantly reduce (them) . . . they’ll lose their grandfather status and their customers will get the same full set of consumer protections as new plans,” Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said at a June 15, 2010, news conference.

Many changes in the old insurance plans could trigger the loss of the protected status. Regulations issued by HHS state that the grandfathered status would be lost if the policies eliminate coverage for a particular condition, reduce the annual dollar limit on benefits, increase co-payments by as little as $5 or 15 percent, or increase out-of-pocket maximums by more than 15 percent or premiums by more than 5 percent.

Later in June 2010, Sebelius’ department published estimates in the Federal Register that 39 percent to 69 percent of employers’ fully insured plans would relinquish the coverage they had prior to the March 2010 passage of the ACA and thus would have to cancel or change policies.

About 60 million people are covered in fully insured plans, which make up about 40 percent of employer-provided health plans. Fully insured plans are usually offered by large employers. These plans have the insurance company rather than the employer assume the financial risk of annual health care expenses exceeding expectations. The rest of employers self-insure.

To escape having to provide the new law’s minimum required benefits, plans would have to largely maintain the co-pays, premiums and out-of-pocket limits that existed prior to March 2010.

Already this year, only 36 percent of employer plans were pre-2010 plans, compared with 56 percent in 2011, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a leading health care research organization. That means that millions of people’s plans already had changed or were canceled in the three and a half years since the law was enacted in March 2010.

That doesn’t automatically mean the plans were changed or canceled because of the new law.

“I think there needs to be great emphasis that plans are not being canceled because of ACA requirements,” said Jon Gabel, a senior fellow at the University of Chicago’s Health Care Research Department. “They’re being canceled because insurers do not want to ‘grandfather’ some plans.”

This week, after millions of Americans mostly in the market for individually purchased plans began receiving cancellation notices or price hikes from their insurance companies, Obama added the caveat that people could lose their plans if insurance companies changed the plans.

“Now, if you have or had one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law and you really like that plan, what we said was you could keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law was passed,” he said, adding the qualifier Monday during a Washington event with supporters."

Read more here:

Obama's goal since 2008: Create chaos among the people, bring America down at home and abroad, and devastate our country by taking private health insurance away from Americans who liked their plan and their doctor. Unfortunately, for the American people, Obama is now a legend in his own mind. Sociopath.

Can't blame the Koch brothers for Obama's incompetence. You can try but you would be wrong again. So, who are you going to blame for millions and millions of American's losing their private healthcare insurance? Boehner? Cruz? The Tea Party? They saw this train wreck coming and tried to stop it. Obama should be escorted out of the White House today before he has the opportunity to completely shut down our country.

Kit B (276)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 7:56 am

Above comment brings about one reaction. *yawn*

Diane O (194)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:10 am
Kit, that's a response you use when you are unable to refute what I posted. Your "guy" Obama has devastated our country with his ACA and you want to talk about the Koch brothers. You know Soros mirrors the Koch brothers for the democratic party.

I'm looking forward to 2014. Obama's popularity rating is now down in the 30's....bad sign for the Messiah.

Arielle S (313)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:17 am
You know, I have this fan that just keeps squeaking no matter how much I oil it or try to get it to run smoothly - I've decided since there's not much I can do to keep it from making that noise, that I'm just going to ignore it.

Kit B (276)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:21 am

Maybe some fake olive oil would help that fan, Arielle. Some times squeaking wheels get oiled and sometimes they just get ignored.

JL A (281)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:22 am
This thread is about big money going to Cruz to harm the government, country and people in an undemocratic way. I am saddened that people are so disrepectful of all of us in the Care2 community that they would try to pretend it has anything to do with POTUS power. I look forward to reading more comments on the topic like Gene and Lois provided--thank you Kit for your efforts to keep this thread on topic.

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:23 am
Why is it that many Conservatives are so hung up on the ACA that they can't talk about anything else, regardless of the subject at hand?

Liberal: "Nice day. Think it'll rain?
Conservative: "Obamacare is a train wreck!!"
Liberal: "Okay. So who's going to the Super Bowl this season?
Conservative: "The Obamacare website doesn't work right. We're all gonna die!!"

Kit B (276)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:43 am

Thanks J L and Henry for your thoughts on this and I wish I could answer why these chubby little trolls can not stay under the bridges. Some here are too young to remember the exact same arguments on Medicare from 50 years ago. Since senior have Medicare the United States popped right off the map and floated of to outer space.

Henry - I know who I hope wins the Super bowl, but I guess that might be speculating on an entitlement to hope my team wins.

Kit B (276)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:44 am

**off** to outer space.

Diane O (194)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:45 am
The liberals ignored the republicans warning the American people that The Affordable Care Act was a train wreck and people would lose their insurance and not be able to keep their doctors. Obama lied. Wish you could put some olive oil on his lying tongue. Obama has devastated American lives. You ignored that and look what has happened.

Henry, the President LIED to the American people. Yes, we are hung up on that.

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:46 am
Kit: Don't get me started on America's Ex-Team.

JL A (281)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:50 am
Sorry that my request for respect for all others apparently fell on deaf ears Kit-seems that some people, including in government like Cruz and in business like the Kochs, believe that only they and their views and people with those views and positions deserve respect.

Kit B (276)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:52 am

Oh Henry, please do not take the name of the Cowboys in vain, I may get palpitations. Nothing has been the same since that creep bought the team. Though Romo is one fine quarter back as his stats show.

Kit B (276)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 8:55 am

Oh J L, your heart is in the right place but time has shown that people like that do not respect anything beyond their own isolated little world. I would send you a basket of green stars if that were possible. You are so kind to others, I wish they would return the thought.

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 9:40 am
Kit: Yes I was young, but I still have seared in my memory when that other Minion of Darkness, LBJ, forced Medicare down our collective throats and ruined the lives of senior citizens for all eternity. I hadn't been born yet, but I've read about the Black Days, when Satan himself, FDR, destroyed the very fabric of Democracy with Social Security. Now Obamacare--we truly live in dark times!!

Kit B (276)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 9:52 am

Indeed, Son of Satan walking the hallowed halls of the White House. Strange that the tea bags forget that about Medicare, or what happened to seniors before Social Security. The simple answer is of course just invest that huge savings account and retire a millionaire, if there is no market hiccup to destroy that savings. My mother was born in October of 1929 and her mother (my grandmother) walked into the bank two weeks before the crash, so she could buy things for her baby. They were lucky, my grandfather was able to keep his job with the Chicago Parks commission, though he had to take a radical pay cut. They were able to survive. So many lives and families destroyed by those who cared for the short quick and dirty profit. Nothing has changed.

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 9:58 am
My grandfather ended up working in a coal mine while my grandmother taught English to Spanish-speaking children in exchange for an adobe house to live in.

Kit B (276)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 10:20 am

Those who support the idea of no regulations have not experienced the devastating effects of markets subject to nothing more than whims of the very wealthy. I did not grow up in situation that I would be confronted with abject poverty, though during a Civics class we all signed up to help those living in "the projects". My high school was very different from many others. We had Catholics, Jews and others Protestants mostly from the Methodist and Episcopal faith. Our Civics teacher demanded that Jews go to the projects on Friday nights and Saturday mornings. We all switched times (ignoring the teacher) and yet all went to help and we all discovered for the first time in our young lives what poverty is about. No human should be forced to beg for food after working a 40 hour week. I personally feel there is something deeply wrong about thinking that people in need are being "coddled" that is called lack of empathy.

Sheila D (194)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 3:32 pm
Diane, I can concede that Obama hasn't exactly done the American people, botht Democrat and Republican, and Independent, any favors. We no longer have a Democracy, partly due to some of his policies, such as the Drones and the NSA spying on us. However, most of our Freedoms were eroded back in both Bush eras and have continued apace with Obama. He's seems to be one of those Conservatve Democrats I talked about on another post.

Instead of playing the Blame Game we need to make certain this stops, especially by voting in 2014...and getting, even bullying, everyone we know to the polls.

JL A (281)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 3:55 pm
"Lax campaign finance law has a double effect: not only does it reduce the competitiveness of political races, allowing candidates with money to simply overwhelm their opponents with tides of spending, but it also drastically reduces small-donor participation in politics, concentrating power and influence in the hands of those with deep pockets. This, of course, is a problem – as DEMOS has pointed out, the elite “donor class” often has vastly different policy priorities than those of most Americans."
The problem is not party per se but what a candidate/party gives away to big money donors like the Koch brothers or corporations like Monsanto. Following the money trail answers many a why of policies like drones and NSA, which became policies concurrent with the Patriot Act under the prior administration. In this like many areas, it is harder to cut back the power of related agencies and contractors than it would have been to add as needed.

Kit B (276)
Sunday November 10, 2013, 4:17 pm

Lack of any sort of campaign finance control is handing over the government to the corporate entities and the super wealthy. People like Sheldon Adelstein that can afford to spend 100 million dollars on one candidate in one race. That issue should cross all lines of ideology and left/right or middle people need to come together and clean up this campaign spending. The labels and the names fall away when the candidates are just the puppet men for the desires of their own best interests.

David C (131)
Monday November 11, 2013, 3:16 pm
Koch is a 4 letter world...Koch Brother Industries Destroy our world, collect profits, and laugh to the bank while others suffer....enough said.

Diane O (194)
Monday November 11, 2013, 3:47 pm
Meanwhile, George Soros, lines his pockets and smiles all the way to the bank....whatever is your point?

Soros is a five letter word.

Diane O (194)
Monday November 11, 2013, 3:53 pm
Both political parties have their deep pocket self serving donors.

Kit B (276)
Monday November 11, 2013, 4:47 pm

You compare a one million dollar donation by Soros to the 100 million from Adelstien or hundreds of millions by the Koch brothers? Keep repeating that to yourself over and over. And Koch is a four letter word.

JL A (281)
Monday November 11, 2013, 6:23 pm
Thanks for keeping the focus on real math Kit--it is so sad how many students get through school without recognizing mathematical relationships or knowing how to use or interpret data correctly--another reason public education budgets shouldn't be cut so deeply or transferred to for-profit entities like Cruz and some of his cronies seem to like (to bring the topic back to the article's topic).

In the New Testament Christians are told to take care of the log in their own eye before they even begin to judge or complain about the speck in someone else's eye.

Just because others may not be squeaky clean does not change the concern all should have of this one junior senator with aspirations costing the country $24 billion dollars in what seems to be what the Koch brothers wanted in return for hefty campaign donations--that is a problem by itself and comparing to more minor circumstances will never justify or excuse.

Kit B (276)
Monday November 11, 2013, 6:30 pm

That seems to be the consistency of the attack method. Do not address the topic at hand but try to divert attention to something unrelated.

The kind of money the Koch's toss at campaigns would have made the Robber Barons blush.

JL A (281)
Monday November 11, 2013, 6:53 pm
I forget which Greek said, to paraphrase, to defend the indefensible you can only hope to muddy the waters (and it wasn't Soros).

Kit B (276)
Monday November 11, 2013, 7:05 pm

This is not one our Greek elder statesman from times gone by, but it still is a good quote.

"You can't defend the indefensible - anything you say sounds self-serving and hypocritical."
-- Diane Abbott

Jim P (3257)
Thursday November 14, 2013, 1:43 pm
Do not feed the TROLL.
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