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United Kingdom Keep Cruelty History ! Minority Pastime - A Letter To David Cameron

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Watch & take action! The only mockery of the law would involve David Cameron repealing a law against cruelty because some of the most powerful people in this country simply refuse to obey it.

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Joanna D (216)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 10:31 am
Minority Pastime - A Letter To David Cameron
Nisa Ward’s film seeks to expose the hidden realities of hunting – via footage of hunters’ aggressive interactions with hunt monitors and their effect on other inhabitants of the countryside – and show what a repeal of the ban would mean.
I must warn you: violence, cruelty, barbarian language and behaviour, stupidity

"Polls reveal that over 75% of the public do not support a repeal of the hunting act. We believe this is an accurate reflection of a society that does not want to see a return to their cruel and barbaric past.
Now we need to show MPs that real people are behind these numbers. We need to prove that this issue is NOT: the will of one political party, a class war, town vs. country, or an erosion of human rights. It is simply about whether we as human beings agree or disagree with inflicting prolonged and unnecessary pain and suffering on animals for fun."

David Cameron: "My own view is the hunting ban is a bad piece of legislation, it hasn't worked, it has made a mockery of the law, a lot of time was wasted on it, and I think we would be better off without it. That gives you a clue to how I will vote."


Joanna D (216)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 10:32 am
What can you do:
without UK postcode:
Register Your Support to Keep The Ban
Sign the petition:
Join FB group: 100,000 people who think that the ban on fox hunting should remain!
with UK postcode:
Send a letter to your MP:

Joanna D (216)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 10:36 am
EDM 116 'HUNTING ACT 2004'

Protecting Animals in Democracy is calling for the retention of the ban on hunting with hounds, and the thorough enforcement of the ban. Hunting with dogs was consigned to the history books because the majority of the public found it abhorrent, and those calling for repeal are effectively calling for a return to cruelty. Any repeal of the Hunting Act would be barbaric and a backward step for a civilised society.

When hunted, foxes not only endured long exhausting chases, but also the terror and pain of being savaged to death - usually by disembowelment. Foxes that escape can die from trauma. Foxes that went to ground were attacked by the terriermen's dogs and vicious and stressful fights ensued. The Burns Inquiry, set up to investigate the impact of hunting, concluded that 'this experience seriously compromises the welfare of the fox'. The Inquiry similarly confirmed that deer and hares endure severe suffering as a result of being hunted and killed by dogs.

While dedicated animal protection organisations support the ban on hunting, groups with an interest in hunting for pleasure or economic reasons tried to argue that the ban would lead to an aggregate increase in animal suffering because it is essential to control the population of foxes and that hunting is the most humane way of doing this. However, claims of concern for animal welfare from those who terrify and kill them for fun clearly lack credibility in comparison to genuine animal welfare charities and campaign groups.

In any case, hunting with dogs took place for sport, not for pest control. An artificial earth is a man-made home for foxes. Hunts built and maintained such earths in order to provide a source of foxes for hunting purposes. Caged fox cubs have been discovered in hunting country, and programmes of fox-feeding have also been detected. Historically, hunts have bought thousands of foxes to keep numbers of the sake of their 'sport'. This evidence dramatically exposes claims that hunting was about pest control.

The available evidence also indicates that hunting was not a necessary form of pest control, as foxes do not cause significant predation of animals in agriculture. In any case, it is surely unethical to inflict suffering and death on wild animals simply because they are suspected of causing small economic losses to farmers.

Furthermore, studies have been undertaken by the Institute of Terrestrial Ecology, the Universities of Oxford, Bristol and Aberdeen as well as the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries & Food (MAFF) (now DEFRA, the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs) and the Department of Agriculture & Fisheries for Scotland (DAFS). This research confirms that artificial efforts at 'controlling' the fox population are largely ineffective and that the damage caused by foxes is insignificant. At public hearings on hunting with dogs held in September 2002, Professor Stephen Harris from Bristol University presented peer-reviewed scientific evidence and stated: 'There is no evidence that foxes need to be controlled' and 'no method of fox control has had an impact on the fox population'. In addition to this, a survey by the Mammal Society during the period of foot-and-mouth disease in 2002 when hunting was banned demonstrated that fox numbers did not rise, indicating that hunting has no effect on the fox population.

There is no evidence that shooting, snaring, and the killing of foxes has increased since the ban or led to an increase in overall levels of fox suffering. In any case, any ongoing persecution of wild animals should be dealt with by an extension of anti-cruelty laws to prevent this. The law itself is clearly enforceable - 140 people have been convicted under the Hunting Act, a greater number than those obtained by other wildlife legislation such as the Deer Act or the Badgers Act.

As the RSPCA states: 'This new legislation reflects modern society's abhorrence of cruelty to wild animals which has, for too long, been veiled in the bloody cloak of tradition and prejudice. To willingly inflict unnecessary suffering on another sentient being is intolerable, and for this reason the RSPCA heralds this ban on hunting with dogs as marking a watershed in the development of a more civilised society for people and animals.'

This is the text of EDM 116:

That this House reaffirms its support for the Hunting Act 2004 and notes that there have been almost 140 convictions under the Act; recognises that the vast majority of the public support the Act across all regional, political, social and religious divides; and therefore believes that any attempt to repeal the Act would be a retrograde step and out of keeping with a civilised society.

The Hunting Act 2004 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom which applies to England and Wales. The effect of the Act is to outlaw hunting with dogs (particularly fox hunting, but also the hunting of deer, hares and mink and organised hare coursing) in England and Wales from 18 February 2005. The pursuit of foxes with hounds was banned in Scotland two years earlier under legislation of the devolved Scottish Parliament, while it currently remains legal in Northern Ireland.

Joanna D (216)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 10:49 am
I wrote that the film is disturbing but you need to watch to know why some people want to lift the ban and what really happens now when the hunting with dogs is still banned.
The behaviour of the rich twats is outrageous!!!

Joanna D (216)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 10:53 am
I forgot: the film can be watched only in UK, USA, Canada and Australia.
I'm sorry I wish everybody could see it.

corinne ramsden (5)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 10:56 am
this is the real truth behind what they try to call a sport ,these evil sadistic humans who are intent on blood lust...

Anne T (286)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 11:46 am
Thankyou Joanna, I've taken all the actions previously.
I hope everyone, who is able, will watch the whole of this video. I've been on demos at hunt meets. Believe me, the people who take part in this cruel pastime are just as arrogant, evil and obnoxious as this video portrays.

Please watch it!!

Phillip I (67)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 11:53 am
So, you want to make this sort of barbarism legal again? Rather gives the lie to the hubris with which the "well heeled" convince themselves (and few others, I'd wager) that they are in possession of that quality one might call civility. This is different from dog fighting, that low class, common, trailer-trash "sport" of the Americans in particulars only. I'll end this comment now, lest I offend myself.

Barb K (1687)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 12:11 pm
I'll sign the petition but for my own sanity I will NOT watch the video. Thnx Joanna.

Margaret S (53)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 12:17 pm
Already taken all the actions Joanna,never i truer word said in your news post,i may watch the video 2morro,i really despize these people,they regard this as thier evil.I'm sick of the fox being persecuted its so wrong,such a beautiful animal hounded and ripped apart.

MeowFoul B (191)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 12:20 pm
brillant for this ta very much. you can still take part outside the Uk use postcode PR1 9TH

Kay F (550)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 12:40 pm
Action taken, thanks Joanna!

Aletta Kraan (146)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 1:12 pm
Signed , thanks , so cruel !!!

Christine S (42)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 1:17 pm
Signed, and my MP has already pledged to support the ban...the video is horrific, I couldn't watch more than a few minutes.

. (0)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 1:26 pm
All signed thanks.

Hannah H (98)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 2:12 pm
Signed and noted! Thanks Joanna.

clare h (38)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 2:16 pm
Signed noted joined email sent and FB you name it I did it, shame my MP is pro hunt. He didn't reply to my last anti hunt e-mail. Thanks Joanna xx

Heidi L (88)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 2:25 pm
Petition signed

Pam F (221)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 3:15 pm
Not in UK doesn't need a postcode - just click on Joanna's first link.

Anyone unconvinced about whether they should sign - please try to take time to watch at least SOME of the video - you'll want some of these VILE hunters torn to pieces!
I sympathise with UK voters ,having the unspeakable David Cameron as PM *YUK*

All done - thank you, Joanna.

Maria S (338)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 3:30 pm
Don't Let Tories Bring Back Fox Hunting

Stop the Tory persecution of foxes!! Not a objective target, unless ir it ti that site (SAVE ME -> send the petition)

Maria S (338)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 3:33 pm
Don't Let Tories Bring Back Fox Hunting

Stop the Tory persecution of foxes!! Not a objective target, unless if it is to that site (SAVE ME) send the petition ->

Joanna D (216)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 3:40 pm
Thank You Cristina!!!

. (0)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 4:04 pm
Petitions signed.

Alison A (244)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 4:14 pm
I do not need to watch the video, I support it 100%, I am actually disgusted that an animal loving country like the UK would even consider bringing back such a barbaric 'past time'. I find it more disgusting than some other countries where poachers kill endangered animals for profit, both activities are totally unacceptable, but we should know better!

I am aware that many farmers were in uproar when this law was originally passed and are now happy that it may be overturned, but I say, if fixes are killing your livestock, your security needs to be addressed. Don't blame the fox for doing what foxes do, blame yourself for not taking better care of your animals.

Alison A (244)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 4:16 pm
Sorry I meant if 'foxes' are killing your livestock, not fixes.

chris b (2474)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 4:54 pm
Sadly my MP is a tory and failed to rsepond to the hunt question

Joanna D (216)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 4:57 pm
Well said Alison IF foxes are killing the livestock "Don't blame the fox for doing what foxes do, blame yourself for not taking better care of your animals."
But the main problem is not the claims from farmers, but the rich barbarians who want (they say they have THE RIGHT) to have a fun.
The problem is also UK Police which protect the rich hunters and abuse hunt watchers !!!

chris b (2474)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 5:00 pm
Watched all 106 minutes of the video very little unpleasant fox killing graphics but plenty of toffs and supporters behaving in the same manner as the US lawyer who kills pigeons for fun and shouts obscenities at a female lawyer trying to film and monitor the activities. These people seem to have a limited IQ and four letter vocabulary! Must be the inbreeding! Well worth watching as it is informative as to were the power is somewhat like the back door of BP!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 6:45 pm
Signed all the petitions. To those who raise livestock in the UK and want to protect their animals from foxes, I recommend getting a Llama.

"Using llamas as livestock guards in North America began in the early 1980s and some sheep producers have used llamas successfully for that entire time."

"Using llamas as guards has eliminated the losses to predators for many producers. The value of the livestock saved each year more than exceeds the purchase cost and annual maintenance of a llama. Although not every llama is suited to the job, most llamas are a viable, non-lethal alternative for reducing predation, requiring no training and little care."

. (0)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 7:03 pm
If anyone needed to know or needed reminding as to how vile the tories are well they should be up to speed by now.The nasty party are back..aided by the pathetic but hopefully soon to tear itself apart Liberal-Democrats.The eighties are back with mass unemployment,attacks on public services and an attitude of "f**k you Jack i'm okay..resistance to Cameron's agenda is a duty. Imagine a boot crushing a human face..well that is what Cameron has planned..imagine an in-bred bigot on horseback,nostrils aflame with the scent of a fox's blood well that is what Cameron and his chinless allies have planned.
All actions taken..except that I won't email my MP again ..he is a newly elected tory..who at least promises to abstain on this issue.Thank you Joanna.

MmAway M (505)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 7:04 pm
Thank you Johanna...Coming back to get all of these just to make sure that I did...

Thank you for this!!!

Valerie H (133)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 9:03 pm
Thank you, signed # 863

Shirley S (187)
Tuesday July 6, 2010, 11:24 pm
Noted & signed & VIEWED.

wiz wi (7)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 12:31 am
yes he a scum alright and a judas and a murderer and all mouth . he will not last long over here in the uk

Cheree M (46)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 2:07 am
Noted,Signed petition already & sent letter.TY
Thank you! You signed at 2:52 AM PST, Feb 19, 2010

Elaine W (103)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 2:41 am
Signed but can not view the video. I feed urban foxes in my garden & they have been given such bad press of late because of this weird attack by a young one down south entering a home & attacking twins in their cots. So far "they" have killed 8 vixens because of this. I have my doubts about the truth of the story after seeing the parents on TV. A nice little earner that. This of course is all right up Mr Camerons street.

low beng kiat (128)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 3:13 am

Maria P (100)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 5:06 am
Noted and action already taken, thank you!

Elena P (549)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 5:40 am
Thank you Joanna - signed and sent and noted.

Wednesday July 7, 2010, 5:54 am
Thank you very much Joanna !
Signe all actions !
Join group FB
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Alison A (244)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 7:48 am
Elaine, you have hit the nail right on the head there, they are my thoughts exactly.

I have never known of a problem with foxes attacking people/babies, but the two babies in the cot is not the only story I have heard recently. I too have my doubts about it authenticity, it seems a bit too coincidental that at the same time David Cameron wants to lift this fox hunting ban, all these foxes are going on the rampage, terrorising humans... very suspicious!

linda b (186)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 8:15 am
We all knew what would hapen when the evil Tories got in, thanks to all the morons that voted for them along with the Lib Dems. We must all unite together and not let there be any repealing of this law. All done Thank You Joanna.

Joanna D (216)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 8:30 am
"thanks to all the morons that voted for them " we not only face the repeal of hunting act, Conservatives support vivisection, hunting, badgers cull
April, 2010
"Tory party leader David Cameron has backed a badger cull to tackle bovine tuberculosis.

Mr Cameron told voters in Plymouth, Devon, that he was prepared to support a targeted cull to prevent badgers spreading TB to cattle and wildlife.

He said that, if the Conservatives won the General Election, the party would form a TB eradication plan similar to the Welsh Assembly Government's programme.

He said he was prepared to sanction the selective trapping and killing of badgers to combat the disease, according to a report in the Daily Telegraph."

TY Linda!!!!

The Conservative Party and Animal Welfare
Animal Protection Performance

Since the last General Election in 2005, PAD has promoted 16 Early Day Motions (EDMs) in the House of Commons calling for improved animal protection. Early Day Motions are like petitions for MPs.

The Conservatives were by far the least supportive of animal protection EDMs out of the three main parties. Although they make up 31% of MPs, Conservatives accounted for only 10% of the support for EDMs. In our index, the score 1 signifies the average animal protection commitment of the three main parties: the Conservatives only score 0.32.

The Conservative Party website does not have an animal welfare policy section at time of writing. They are also calling for the culling of grey squirrels and badgers.

The Conservatives want to repeal the ban on hunting and have pledged to devote Parliamentary time to achieve this if they form the next Government.
Democratic Reform

Although the Conservative Animal Welfare Spokesman Andrew Rosindell MP has expressed interest in our campaign for an Animal Protection Commission or similar Government body to remedy the bias against animal protection in Government policy-making, Conservative MPs have shown little support for the idea. Many MPs dismiss the idea out of hand as running counter to their overall aim of reducing Government bureaucracy.

However, there is no reason to assume that an Animal Protection Commission would create additional administration, because it could involve a reorganisation of existing administration. Furthermore, it would be possible to devote more Government resources to animal protection, while reducing overall spending. Just because total spending is reduced, doesn’t mean that every single little sector of spending has to decrease. Indeed, it would be grossly simplistic to say it would.

The stated reasons for opposing this proposal are clearly flawed and, in any case, the Conservatives are actually proposing to set up new bodies in other policy areas. At the time of writing we are waiting to see if Mr Rosindell’s interest turns into anything concrete.

The Conservatives claim to strongly support the forthcoming ban on conventional battery cages. However, they appear to be tolerant of so-called ‘enriched’ battery cages rather than being opposed to any caging of laying hens.

More broadly on animal farming, it is difficult to locate any specific promises that would directly alleviate any animal suffering. The Conservatives have also reacted rather hysterically to the idea that the Government should heed scientific advice and promote meat-free diets. They claim this would involve ‘dictating’ what people should eat, when clearly this is about education, not legislation.

The Conservatives are proposing an ‘Honest Food Campaign’ to provide clearer labelling of food’s country of origin. They claim this will help animal welfare by making it easier for consumers to identify meat and dairy from Britain as opposed to countries with supposedly crueller farming conditions.
Animal Experimentation

The Conservatives say they want to see a gradual phasing out of animal testing and are committed to the 3 ‘R’s of ‘Refinement, Reduction and Replacement’. They say they are concerned at the upward trend in animal experiments, which has risen from 2.6 million in 2001 to 3.7 million in 2008. However, the only specific measure they propose so far is ending animal testing of household products, which accounts for just 132 experiments, or less than 0.000004% of the total.


David Rothwell (34)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 11:40 am
Yes a Government who had the least amount of votes than the other two parties, and they have the gall to try and bring this back, I hope these power hungry individuals aren't contemplating bringing back this obscene past time(it may have been OK 200 years ago, BUT NOT in the 21st Century).

Magdalena M (0)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 1:36 pm
Thank you Joanna. All signed. Story forwarded.
And thank you Cristina, already signed.

Anna Borsey (66)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 4:23 pm
Thank you! You signed at 2:09 PM PDT, Mar 31, 2010

I do NOT want to watch any footage of cruelty to foxes. Sorry.
I love foxes. Where we lived before moving to this house, there was a vixen who had a terrible attack of mange. I cured her, over a period of 12 weeks, using a homoeopathic treatment and also high potency garlic pills together with Vitapet drops and homebaked bread and honey, dog food - and the odd dead pigeon I found in the street!


Anna Borsey (66)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 4:35 pm
I should have added the end of the story:
After the fur grew back out, "my" vixen - whose poor tail looked like an old piece of frayed rope - once again had a splendid brush! She gave birth to, and successfully reared FOUR cubs that Spring and Summer! I was so very pleased that I was able to help her.
By the way, this was an urban fox, one of the despised many such.

Elaine W. - I totally agree with you re the alleged "fox attack" and the family in question! Foxes DO NOT attack humans! If this was a canine attack, then it must have been a dog; certainly no fox goes into a house, trots upstairs and mauls two toddlers. Actually, in my view, certain kinds of humans could do with culling.

Vivien Green (153)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 8:00 pm
Joanna have actioned all the links above.
I am a UK citizen and the repeal on Fox Hunting was very much on my mind prior to the General Election.
I wrote to Vince Cable my M.P and Nick Clegg for there stance on Lifting the ban on Fox hunting they both assured me that they were against repealing it. Lets hope they have some influence on this matter.I have written again via your link to ask Vince Cable where he stance now Post election.
I read all the manifestos on where the parties stood on the treatment of animals.


Catherine Ignatowski (80)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 3:25 am
Noted, signed and posted on Facebook

Joanna D (216)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 4:19 am
Thank you for all the comments and taking the actions.
What about the programme on TV... it was really scary an animal which creeps into the house, througn living room where adults are watching TV, goes upstairs stright into the babies room to kill them !!! It could be werewolf I think.
Comments to the whole story:
Urban wildlife expert John Bryant said such an attack was extremely rare.

"I have only ever heard of two cases in my 40 years of dealing with foxes, one of which turned out to be a German Shepherd and the other a cat," he said.
(...) "Foxes are among the most amenable, least aggressive mammals you could share your environment with," he said. "It's very rare for a fox to be brave enough to face a cat."
(...) Martin Hemmington is one such fox-lover. He is founder of the National Fox Welfare Society, a rescue charity which also sends out treatment, free of charge, to householders willing to feed foxes suffering from sarcoptic mange.

He has been bitten "many times" in the line of duty and says the majority of urban foxes do not want contact with humans.

"It takes quite a lot of effort to catch them," he said. "Walking into people's houses is not common place and they would never go in with the intention of attacking someone. "


Maria S (338)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 8:00 pm
Stop the bloody repeal No return to cruelty

Maria S (338)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 8:04 pm
Well something is wrong with the link!
I`m putting the link, but nor clickable.
Copy and paste ( action from IFAW UK)

Debb L (16)
Friday July 9, 2010, 1:21 am
Signed most of it! Didnt have enough time to watch video, I will try to watch this video this weekend. Thanks :-)

Liliana D (125)
Friday July 9, 2010, 3:00 pm
All done, thanks Joanna.

Joanna D (216)
Friday July 9, 2010, 6:21 pm
I've got already a few autoreplies and a reply from a bastard called BRIAN BINLEY who must lost his mind!!! I'm scared to think about those who voted for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear Joanna,

Thank you for contacting me about the Hunting Act.

I appreciate the strong feelings which this issue arouses and I share your concern to ensure the welfare of all animals.

As you may be aware, the Government has stated it will bring forward a motion on a free vote enabling the House of Commons to express its view on the repeal of the Hunting Act.

In the event of the free vote, I would vote to repeal the Hunting Act. In my judgement the Hunting Act does nothing to protect wild animals and, in many cases, is actually detrimental to animal welfare when other methods of control are deployed, a number of which can be indiscriminate.

It is worth remembering that the independent Burns Inquiry in 2000 failed to conclude that hunting was more cruel than other methods of wildlife management. I was also struck by the comments of Jim Barrington, the former Executive Director of the League Against Cruel Sports, who said: “like a lot of people I was quite horrified by hunting and took the view that stopping it would improve animal welfare. But the Hunting Act has failed on every level, not least of all on animal welfare.” He added, “I think hunting is a positive and vitally important part of wildlife management, provided it is done within proper rules.

Thank you, once again, for taking the time to contact me.

Yours Sincerely,

Brian Binley MP

Northampton South Constituency

Julie C (21)
Saturday July 10, 2010, 4:13 am
All done, but my MP is a Tory, (I didn't vote for him), so I doubt he'll care about my views on animal welfare - he never has in the past. :(

Alison A (244)
Saturday July 10, 2010, 11:26 am
Hi Joanna

I know that Brian's reply seems uncaring, but I do actually understand where he is coming from.

We cannot delude ourselves into thinking that the hunting ban has made life wonderful for the foxes ect. He is right, it doesn't work, but he should be adding a bit more to that sentence, like what is going to be put in place to ensure that it DOES work.

This is where I stop agreeing with this motion, I am all for changing the ban, but it does seem they want to just forget about it which is totally unacceptable.

If I was you I would write back to him and ask him what procedures are going to be put in place to protect the welfare of animals if/when the ban is lifted. You should not let him get away with such a standard, 'brush off' reply.

I hope you do and if so, good luck!

Alison A (244)
Saturday July 10, 2010, 11:47 am
I just wanted to say that my MP (to my surprise) has already signed EDM 116 (Hunting Act 2004), but has not signed the other animal issue which was listed on the same page on PAD, which was EDM 176 (Procter & Gamble 2012 Olympics Sponsorship), so I have sent an email regarding this issue.

Let's make sure our MP's are kept busy with what WE feel is important!

Joanna D (216)
Saturday July 10, 2010, 1:56 pm
I wrote a reply, of course, but nothing about wildlife.
Binley used an explanation used by many tories who want to repeal the hunting act - they say that because it doesn't work - it's not true it's not the reason
do they believe that hunting will work better? no! they don't care.
I found that he already gave his relpy to concerned organisations that he will vote for the repeal and won't sing EDM116.


Alison A (244)
Saturday July 10, 2010, 2:37 pm
Of course it is not the reason, they just want to take care of the rich, so they can continue to hunt whilst the MP's are receiving their backhanders.

I think that we will have to face the fact that if they get the majority vote the ban will be lifted, but the fact that they are saying that they want to lift it because it is not working, is actually a good thing, this implies that they are interested in animal welfare (even though they aren't), which means that we can push on this aspect to get them to do something else which will work.

Basically we have to play them at their own game, if they want to tell us it doesn't work, then we need to agree, tell them we want something that does work and make sure they know that we will not stop fighting until we get it.

Chris E (50)
Monday July 12, 2010, 3:16 am
Signed and noted.

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Friday July 16, 2010, 3:55 pm
Noted, all actions taken, & posted the join and the petition on my facebook & twitters

Mervi R (74)
Friday July 16, 2010, 4:42 pm
Noted, actions taken.

Jacqueline S Wolf Heart (74)
Friday July 16, 2010, 7:08 pm
Thank You noted and will pass to all my friends

Cindy C (125)
Monday August 9, 2010, 11:19 am
I have written my thoughts on the matter and said it was barbaric and I am a shamed to be British.

mary f (202)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 4:10 am
signed petitin i wish i could do more foxhunting is not banned in ireland i'm ashamed to say

Elizabeth R (10)
Wednesday April 13, 2011, 7:28 am
Didn't view, already live here... Have to put up with the twonk.
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