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Tim
- 3602 days ago - infowars.com
It appears both Obama and McCain's handlers are apparently determined to make cockroaches the rulers of the world.



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Tim Redfern (581)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 5:21 pm
This is just me, but I take the point of this story to be:
Don't just look at the candidates,
look at the people they surround themselves with!
Examine their "advisors", and the people on the
campaign teams; more than one Campaign Manager has
gone on to be White House Chief of Staff.

Many thanks to all who will note and comment!
 

Carole S (338)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 5:47 pm

These candidates were hand-chosen because they are malleable. Please, people, open your eyes -- the nominations, campaign and actual voting are simply a charade.

Thanks, Tim.
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 5:50 pm
noted, Yes Tim I follow the same thought. Also the "Dark Workers" are well dug in for a fight against the "Light Workers" 9/11 falls into the shadow of 08/08/08. And so it begins....
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 5:50 pm
I agree with my dear friend Carole:
Don't vote!
You're letting yourself get played for
a sucker if you do!
Even so, knowledge is power.
Read the story, and you'll know what and who
to expect in the halls of power, whoever gets
selected.
 

H Nick H (1826)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 5:51 pm
I see that McBush hired most of the Bush people and lobbiest to run his campagne, but that is not the same with Obama. Of course, most of the good people in Washington have some connections with each other, and this is exactly what Obama is trying to change. Not an easy job, but he is ACTUALLY doing something about it. I'm sick and tired of the last 8 years, so I am voting for CHANGE. It's either that, or back to the same old thing and the further destruction of America.
 

. (0)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 6:26 pm
I am not voting for either of them another Beaves and Butthead in the works and you want change? oh yell you will get change ok but, its not what everyone thinks its going to just as messed up if not worse. For if we jump and Russia, Then Iseral will jump us wait and see and they will beat our butts real good too. No in November. Thanks Tim
 

Brenda H (29)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 6:47 pm
"NO IN NOVEMBER"!! THANKS MY FRIEND!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 7:06 pm
I agree Tim,Thanks!! I'm not voteing!!
 

Summer Daze (162)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 7:15 pm
I agree with most here! There is trouble a brewin! People think the last years were bad (mind you...I DO TOO!!!) just wait....the worst is YET to COME! NO in NOVEMBER!
 

. (0)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 7:37 pm
Yes people Bind together I love it when when people stick together for the truth will hit them in the middle of there foreheads before long. Thanks Tim
 

Joycey B (750)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 7:52 pm
No in November. Noted with thanks Tim.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 7:55 pm
PNAC and the Future of America and the World Established in the spring of 1997 and funded largely by the energy and arms industries, the Project for the New American Century was founded as the neoconservative.Also see the video http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=pnac
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 7:56 pm
All part of the NeoCON/Bu$h PNAC Plan ...

www.crisispapers.org/essays6w/PNAC.htm

Just in case some think all Americans are naïve - unaware of the results their actions - read, for example, Ralph Peter's article, Constant Conflict in the 1997 US Army War College Quarterly.

“There will be no peace. At any given moment for the rest of our lifetimes, there will be multiple conflicts in mutating forms around the globe. Violent conflict will dominate the headlines, but cultural and economic struggles will be steadier and ultimately more decisive.

The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing.

We are building an information-based military to do that killing. . . . . ”

The pathological problem with the neoconservatives is that they are myopic - unwilling to see, or hear criticism of, what conflicts with their ambition. They do not care how many people are killed. Morality does not exist in their corporate quest.

---


READ THAT AGAIN ...


THERE WILL BE NO PEACE ....


McCain/Bu$h and PNAC = perpetual war and endless $$$ for Bu$h's war toys to line the pockets of his cronies/defense contractors!
 

RC deWinter (418)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 8:21 pm
Well, I saw who NObama allied himself with before it became politically inconvenient - JEREMIAH WRIGHT and his RACIST CHURCH. That did it for me right there.
And McCain't was never even on my radar screen to begin with.
I am so furious with the DNC though - we have been forcefed a phony, undesirable candidate who is an empty suit who speaks well...kinda like a smart Ronald Reagan.
NO THANK YOU TO BOTH PARTIES...this year IT'S MY PARTY AND I'LL WRITE IN IF I WANT TO.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 8:30 pm
Bye the bye, JUSTICE FOR JULIE now has a tad over 800 signatures...thank you for all your support. We have less than 200 signatures to go before we can send the petition to the Connetcicut State's Attorneys. If you haven't read about Julie's legal limbo yey, wont' you please click the link, check it out and then sign the petition? "A good deed shines bright in a naughty world." THANK YOU!
 

Rod Gesner (60)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 8:48 pm
While I Agree With The Point that They Are All Maleable That's What Representative Politicians are Supposed To Be....
To The WILL Of The PEOPLE....We the People; Have Neglected Our National responsibility Not To Speak Out MORE Strongly SOONER. With the POWER of the Vote; The POWER of BOYCOTTS, The Power Of The PRESS (Volunteer For Real Change), The POWER Of LAWYERS, and The POWER of Stockholders;
We The Hippiesof Yesteryear and Students Today and Everyone inbetween have Taken the easy road and Let the Monster Keep growng Supported By Our Nonchalant Greed and Jingoistic Nationalism...
Obama May Be One of the BOY's but He Is Young and He Speaks to the People about thier need to Take Action and Responsibility for the Change They Desire; If We Follow Thru Keep the Pressure on and Show that We are Willing TO WORK and COMPROMISE We Can Affect REASONABLE CHANGE; BUT THAT IS THE WAY OUR CONSTITUTION AND THE FRAMERS OF IT INTENDED (CHECKS AND BALLANCES YA KNOW) Our Problem Today is that TOO MANY Beileve that they Deserve A higher Lifestyle than the Rest of the WORLD; And For Whatever Reasons; There Arn't Enough Taking Action Yet To Stop the Juggernaught, However, There are Many that Have Made Little Changes and Many more Trying to Educate others As to the Need to Change.
We need To Get Behind OBama And Give Him The Chance To Lead By The Will Of the People instead of Trashing His Chances and Then Spending the Next 8 years complaining about Being ROBBED Again...
 

Morgan Griffith (225)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 8:54 pm
Never have I felt such frustration and fear directed towards the governing bodies of this country as I have felt during the reign of the current administration. I had actually held out hope for change (I'm beginning to hate that word) but I was a fool. I see people like my 79 year old parents who for the first time in their lives are NO in NOvember. I do not see any reason for optimism on the horizon as far as the eye can see. It's as if there are 2 united states--the screwed up manipulators in the governing bodies and then the actual people. If we all turn our backs who are they going to govern?
 

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Saturday August 9, 2008, 9:03 pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25726789
 

Sandra M Z (114)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 10:58 pm
No in November.

Thank you Tim.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 11:53 pm
OK, I've asked this before and gotten no answer: If you're not voting, or writing in someone who has NO chance of winning, how will any change ever be effected??

(Granted the pigs are in power either way, but if there is absolutely no difference between Obama and McCain, why is Walmart trying to intimidate its workers into voting Republican?)
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 9, 2008, 11:59 pm
I'm not being sarcastic at all, I really want to know what you/we need to do to start turning things around. The Neocons hope that no progressives vote, and would be delighted if we all "sat this one out." A revolution would be nice of course, but look around at the gullibility of Americans, that won't be happening any time soon. And meanwhile?
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 12:25 am
Rochelle,
it's just past 3:00 AM,
not usually an hour conducive to
clear-thinking. But, I'm having my
nightly battle with insomnia, and I'm wide
awake, so I'll take a crack at answering your question.

Speaking strictly for myself:
We are not going to get any change whatsoever,
so long as the "system" we have going now stays
in power. Elections are purely fradulent. The
elections in 2000 and 2004 were stolen. We all
know that. I can't be idealistic enough to believe
that 2008 won't be stolen, too.
The system is corrupt and putrid thru-and-thru, and
I can not/will not in good conscience participate in
it and put my name to it.
We desparately need change in our country, yes, but it's
a fascist nation now, and the citizenry of fascist nations
never have a say. The US has fulfilled 14 of the 19 points
of Fascism. We're there. We're in it.
Something is going to have to give before we will be able
to get the change we need, and put our country back on the
path our Founders intended. I don't like thinking it or
saying it, but I'm now convinced that in order for REAL
change to happen in the US, it's going to require bloodshed,
and alot of it, on both sides, and even then "we" won't be
guaranteed of winning.
Then, if "we" DO win, what do we do with that victory?
How would We The People go about setting up a new government?
Everyone wants change, everyone wants to get rid of the
a*sholes running the show now, but then what do we do once
they're gone?
For the time being, I think everything is so logjammed right
now, we're going to need to wait for this Fascist system to
collapse under the weight of it's own corruption. Then, maybe
we just survive as small communities, and perhaps never reform
The United States.
There are a million possible variations of this, what I've just
put out here, and any other version would be just as valid, because
all I'm doing here is spitballing at 3 o'clock in the morning.
The only thing I know for certain right now is that we aren't
going to get any real change in November.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 12:31 am
To say not to vote is to give up all of your rights. A lot of places don't allow people to vote, and choosing not to vote in irresponsible as a citizen, and completely ungrateful of the rights you have. If you want change, don't give yourself less rights, but instead have yourself heard as much as possible. You can be unhappy with the candidates, but even if there were other people running, you think by voting one person the US President will all of a sudden be the answer to everything? That is a passive way to view things, to hope one day someone will be elected and they will fix everything before you know it.
 

Pete Conrads (91)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 12:48 am
No in November.

Thank you Tim.

 

Tim Redfern (581)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 12:56 am
Chris,
if we were in a courtroom, I'd say,
"Objection, your honor! Assuming facts not in evidence!".

You are assuming that our elections have not been
bastardised by The Powers That Be. If my vote actually
counted, I wouldn't give up that right. I don't have
that right anymore, and neither do you, because it's
been taken away from us.
The one and only reason we still have elections in this
country is to maintain the charade that We The People still
make the decisions, and we most certainly do NOT make any
decisions.
Someone, I think it was Barry Goldwater, said,
"The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance."
Too many generations of Americans have failed to
pay that price, and our Liberty has been repossessed.
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 2:46 am
Sorry Tim, can't help you from here, as we have 3 big parties then we 4or5 little ones. one of the 3 toppers usually get in then screw up and the next time 1 of the others get in. It is the same as there only a few more a**holes to gum up the works. There is a new party, Canadian Action Party that so far looks good but barely able to get onto the ballot. Now our[Canada's total] population= about the same as California,30'sh million souls total, so the amount of votes are about 2/3rd's of that. So for now we are stuck with the Bilderberg/Bush/Calderone "golden boy" Stephen Harper, Progressive Conservative and Liberal as Opposition, our 3rd is New Democrats Party [NDP], which is a "socialist party" their long ago leader was the one who set up our universal medical system, which leaves no one out of medical care, even the homeless are given the same care as the Premier [well maybe not a private room] but doctors care as needed. We have, here in BC, the Winter Olympics, in 2010 so taxpayers are paying through the nose for building all that $hit for the world, for 2 weeks. I need a care worker to do housework but am going without,otherwise I may be put in assisted living and lose my independence. So that ain't gonna happen!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 4:26 am
Cate, I agree with you.

About a week ago I was downtown & there were Obama people trying to get passerbys to sign up to vote. I watched these campaigners for a good while while waiting for my bus.
Consistently all the campaigners approahed every black on the street, ignoring whites as they walked about with their clipboards.

My thoughts were......Jeremiah Wright was heard.

But, McCain is not any better either!! We will be at war forever if he gets in.........Neither one of these men care about you or me in the least. These men will have a home, cars, food, fat wallets no matter who wins.................

I'm disgusted with all the Obama lies & deceptions of what he really believes. And, McCain is too damned old, slow although he seems more likeable between the two.

Am I voting? Lord only knows!!!!!!!!!!

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE..............
 

RC deWinter (418)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 6:46 am
Sent to me by Carol L...it deserves reading:

rom Richmond Times-Dispatch, Monday, July 7, 2008 ~


Dear Editor, Times-Dispatch:

'Each year I get to celebrate Independence Day twice. On June 30 I celebrate my independence day, and on July 4 I celebrate America's. This year is special, because it marks the 40Th anniversary of my independence.


'On June 30, 1968, I escaped Communist Cuba, and a few months later, I was in the United States to stay. That I happened to arrive in Richmond on Thanksgiving Day is just part of the story, but I digress.


'I've thought a lot about the anniversary this year. The election-year rhetoric has made me think a lot about Cuba and what transpired there. In the late 1950's, most Cubans thought Cuba needed a change, and they were right. So when a young leader came along, every Cuban was at least receptive.


'When the young leader spoke eloquently and passionately and denounced the old system, the press fell in love with him. They never questioned who his friends were or what he really believed in. When he said he would help the farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and education to all, everyone followed. When he said he would bring justice and equality to all, everyone said, 'Praise the Lord.' And when the young leader said, 'I will be for change and I'll bring you change,' everyone yelled, 'Viva Fidel!'


'But nobody asked about the change, so by the time the executioner's guns went silent, the people's guns had been taken away. By the time everyone was equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed. By the time everyone received their free education, it was worth nothing. By the time the press noticed, it was too late, because they were now working for him. By the time the change was finally implemented, Cuba had been knocked down a couple of notches to Third-World status. By the time the change was over, more than a million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes. You can call those who made it ashore anywhere else in the world the most fortunate Cubans. And now I'm back to the beginning of my story.


'Luckily, we would never fall in America for a young leader who promised change without asking, what change? How will you carry it out? What will it cost America?


Would we?


Manuel Alvarez Jr. Sandy Hook.




Direct link, 2nd letter down: Beware Charismatic Men Who Preach 'Change' LET THIS BE A LESSON TO ALL, MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT THE CHANGE IS.
 

Lynn C (63)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 7:19 am
thanks tim... no in november...:(
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 7:26 am
TY Cate for that article......

AMEN-AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE..........
 

Gnar N (29)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 8:58 am
WRITE IN RON PAUL!!!
 

Ryan M (5)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 9:01 am
We are not wasting our vote if we vote for Ron Paul. We're sending a message that we want REAL change!
 

Carol W (119)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 10:36 am

McCain was blackmailed to run for office, or be exposed for the criminal he is.

The Zuni rocket was not fired by McCain. The Zuni was a WW2 relic which was known for being touchy and unstable, and accidental firings were more common than reported.

McCain's part in this was accidentally yanking his bomb release and dropping his live ordinance into the fire in his panic to exit the plane. The bomb fuses don't arm until they drop off the wings. It is that explosion which killed 134 men.

McCain is and has been an opportunist and a nepotistic little failure his entire life. Had he not been the son and grandson of Admirals, they never would have let his dumb ass near a jet fighter aircraft in the first place. And if he hadn't scored a filthy rich beer baroness later in life, he wouldn't have been elected to Phoenix Animal Control officer, no less a Senator. On an equal playing field, this guy would have been a gas station clerk.


http://emeraldcityguy.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/psst-pass-it-on-mccains-unfit-to-lead/

It's amazing how people keep electing failures and losers, drug addicts and closet coke head bisexuals to office, then get all bent up when the country is going to hell in a handbasket. You DO get the government you deserve.


When are we going to start talking about the fact that John McCain was a LOUSY pilot, a loser, and lost 5 airplanes in his short time in the Navy? One of which was shot out from under him over Viet Nam (of course Bush Sr. has the same distinction..he got his TBM shot out from under him by the Japanese AND lost his crew.)

Of course McCain made up for any deficiencies by BLOWING UP the aircraft carrier FORRESTAL when he panicked and dropped his bombs on the deck after a missile misfired and blew his fuel tank off...they had to fly him off the ship to keep the crew from putting him on a hook and trolling for sharks with his little ass all night. He got almost 150 crewmen KILLED that day.

This guys' no war hero. He's a dud. A nothing. A total LOSER who lost 5 planes and blew up his own SHIP.

It was probably his wingman who whipped in on his tail and flamed him over VietNam just to get RID of the cocky little Ahole.




Many people following this election know that John Sydney McCain is the son and grandson of Navy admirals and that by dint of his birth he was afforded a degree of latitude in his military career for less than stellar behavior that goes along with a family tree like that; such as being one of the worst students in his class at Annapolis yet still managing to graduate.
Yet what many don’t realise is that thanks to McCain’s lineage — a lineage providing connections much like George W. Bush’s — his actions as a Navy pilot that would have resulted in dismissal from the service and possible court martial in anyone else have apparently become a virtual black hole in history.

And part of that historical black hole is that McCain has frequently been accused by men with whom he served in the Navy as being the person directly responsible for the deaths of 131 of his shipmates in 1967 and with whom he served on board the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal {CV-59}.


The USS Forrestal — CV-59 with orignal video...

McCain was acknowledged by many of his peers at the time as being an unsafe pilot and irresponsible hot dog — by the time of the Forrestal incident McCain had crashed four aircraft that he was piloting, a record that in any other naval aviator would have ended a career — and one of the unsafe practices that McCain was notorious for was a thing known as a “wet start” of his aircraft.

A wet start is when the pilot of a jet allows kerosene or jet fuel to pool in the engine and then, once enough fuel has accumulated, the pilot ignites his engine which results in a huge flame being shot to the rear. The purpose of this is to scare the shit out of the pilot in the plane immediately behind you who is waiting to take off.

Wet starts are illegal in the Navy but were common during the Vietnam era among hot young fighter jocks like McCain and by all accounts he enjoyed performing them whenever he thought he could get away with it.

On July 29th 1967, John McCain was in his A-4 Skyhawk aboard the USS Forrestal waiting to be taxied onto the steam catapult in order to launch from the deck of the ship.

Behind his aircraft was an F-4 Phantom jet fully loaded with ordinance including M-34 air to ground Zuni rockets.

At 10:52 AM as McCain waited for take off instructions reports from sailors on the scene indicate that he apparently decided to shake up the pilot of the F-4 to his rear and he performed a wet start on his jet.
Hot shot pilot McCain is standing on the right.

The flame from his aircraft’s engine shot back reaching the Phantom and ignited the solid fuel motor on one of the Zuni missiles under the wing of that aircraft. The missile shot across the flight deck of the crowded carrier and slammed into the belly tank of a parked A-4D Skyhawk next to McCain’s craft and ignited the 400 gallons of JP-5 jet fuel in the tank.
When the fuel tank exploded it knocked two 1,000 pound bombs off their mounts and the burning fuel that spread across the deck ignited one of the bombs. The resulting explosion started a chain reaction, cooking off ordinance that was being loaded onto waiting aircraft all across the rear of the huge ship.\
One young sailor ran into the flames and found the strength to pick up a red hot 250 pound bomb that was on the verge of exploding and carried it to the side of the ship and threw it overboard.

The flight deck fire was brought under control in about an hour but the burning fuel that leaked into the hanger deck below caused even more ordinance to explode and that fire took more than 12 hours to extinguish.
At the end of the ordeal 131 sailors were dead — either blown to pieces or burned to death –and 168 were badly injured and before the smoke had even cleared or all the dead and wounded counted the navy had rushed John McCain off the aircraft carrier to the USS Oriskany, the only uninjured person on board the Foresstal to be evacuated in this way.

Sailors who were on board that day contend that the Navy removed McCain from the stricken carrier because they feared for his life at the hands of his fellow shipmates.

Needless to say, many of the sailors who lived through that horror have claimed that the Navy apparently hushed up much of the investigation and scrubbed the official findings so that McCain would never be able to be held to account and as of this date McCain has refused to release the complete set of his Navy records for examination — something that John Kerry did in 2004 during his presidential run.






 

Terrie W (798)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 10:38 am
Kucinich/Paul '08!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 10:45 am
Thank you Carol......All of us need to know all we can.

Keep it up!!

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE.............
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 10:55 am
Obama is going to win, but he isn't exactly what we want.

Solutions?

When Obama wins, he will be preoccupied with himself and his duties until he is done. For now, he is aiming to please. I believe we can take advantage of this. Compare YOUR potential influence and ability to reach a candidate vs a president. Think about it hard, because the opportunity is slipping away.

Target Obama's campaign sites with the 'right words' and supporting logic behind your ideas and goal. Portray Obama in a positive light, showing how he understands the premise of your ideas, this allows you to explain what you need to explain, and project it onto him. Don't be negative. Leaders come and go, but they are just vessels for the ideas that govern the world.

Nobody escapes being influence by the information they have. When the right pieces of information come together, the idea will become clear. When you watch a debate, and say; "if someone would just say:(_______...) everyone would understand."... at that point you are holding the 'right words'. If you can see these pieces of missing information, and know how to get them into motion, you can change the world.

So, in what ways, would you like to see Obama shine? And don't forget McCain, until November, he's the other flipper in this pinball game.

Thanks Tim. It's all food for thought.
 

Marcla G (108)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 12:51 pm
I';m with Terrie, Narayan & Ryan...write in.
Kucinich/Paul '08
 

Louise L (48)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 1:59 pm
The Christian Right will vote if they have to be pushed on stretchers,and that's what bothers me. Whoever wins will be voted in by radicals,and I'm not so sure I like that....but I CAN see your point. Kinda lose/lose. Thanks, Tim.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 2:20 pm
It certainly is a lose/lose for all of us on so many levels!!

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE............
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 5:26 pm
Everyone should upset the applecart: Write in Cindy Sheehan and Ron Paul!
 

Marian E (152)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 9:54 pm

Green stars owed here. You know what they say, "better to owe you than
cheat you out of it". Thank you.
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 10:06 pm
Cindy Sheehan is on the Ballot against Nancy Palosi.
 

Lee Stone (24)
Sunday August 10, 2008, 10:31 pm
Cate, your posting at 6:45 a.m. today of a "letter" to the Richmond "Times-Dispatch" requires some comment.
It is obvious that the "letter" compares Fidel Castro to Sen. Obama. Do you think this is valid historical comparison?
The change that Castro unleashed upon Cuba came after a revolution in which the old regime was truly overthrown. How would that situation compare to the election of a Democrat such as Sen. Obama within an established democracy? Obviously there is no comparison that could be valid. A newly elected American president could not achieve such radical change as Castro could. Castro faced the destruction of the ancien regime; not so an American president.
Observe the wording of the letter: "election-year rhetoric," "young leader," "spoke eloquently and passionately," and "denounced the old regime," "press fell in love with him," "who his friends were or what he really believed"--these are code words making a specious comparison of a known evil (Castro) to a present political personage (Sen. Obama).
It reads as if it were composed by the Republican National Committee. In fact it has the hallmarks of a (Karl) Rovian strategy: attack the strength of the opposition. If Sen. Obama's strength is his ability to inspire (even if it is with generalities about change), then Rovian strategy attacks his ability to inspire and his message of "change." This strategy has worked in the past; it is obviously working now. Look again at the "letter": "executioner's gun" is associated with Castro, but the appearance of this scare-word is no accident in a "letter" actually about Sen. Obama. The strategy by the Republican National Committee is to frighten Americans about Sen. Obama ("executioner"), to plant fear of Obama's very strengths ("spoke eloquently and passionately"), to sow seeds of doubt and discomfort about his character ("who his friends were"). One way to do this is to make invalid historical comparisons. Please think twice before you fall for an obvious piece of political propaganda. You have been used.
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Monday August 11, 2008, 3:14 am
Isn't wonderful that we have the right to disagree and are able to say it and/or put it in writing. Without that we would live in China!!!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 11, 2008, 5:17 am
Lee......All of us are judged
conciously/unconciously
by the companny we keep!!!!!!!

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE.......
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 11, 2008, 7:45 am
Tim, thanks for your answer. Lots in there to discuss! My main objection is that waiting for this system to collapse will have the very worst and cruelest effects on the youngest and the poorest here and globally. And if it comes to bloodshed, the same thing is true. (We who have the resources to sit at a computer and discuss this are not the youngest and poorest....)

Even for certain policies, e.g., the global "gag rule" which bars any medical facility from receiving US money for family planning if it even breathes the word "abortion." Clinton overturned it, Dubya reinstated it, and so millions of women, the poorest in the world, died in childbirth, gave birth to sick babies b/c prenatal care was also blocked, or died from botched abortions. My point is that we need to take every good bit that we can get, and electing one politician over another does make a difference.

There is no perfect politician, no way to elect someone and then relax and expect that person or party to take care of everything optimally.

I think that that's how Reagan got in; people thought that he'd take care of everything and everyone so that we wouldn't have to pay attention or "ride herd" on officials. And that continued desperate desire for "President Santa Claus" got us Papa Bush and the Village Idiot.

Politicians only do good that they're forced to do; progressives have NO influence on the Repugs, but if the Dems ignore us they have NO ONE to raise funds from.

And I'm afraid that this nation of willfully ignorant sheeple will never figure out what's in their own best interest, let alone unite and WORK for it. Instead the American people will continue to be diverted by irrelevancies (Gay marriage, Terri Schiavo)into fighting each other. I mean, how many people can even be bothered to vote, which is the easiest thing, way easier than organizing an effective progressive movement.

And rotten as things are, they are NOT as bad as I'm afraid that they will be; McCain will rapidly make things worse, and Obama may make some things better. Progress is achieved in tiny steps at a time, no big sweeping change.

Thoughts?
 

Deborah Hooper (59)
Monday August 11, 2008, 12:02 pm
I give everyone one more choice. If the 70% of the people that are fed up write in "I'm taking America back". Nothing else, mark nothing else on the ballot. Oh, and be sure you vote absentee ballot. Don't leave it to electronic crap with or without a paper trail. Then make a copy of your ballot before delivering it back to your Board of Elections. I'm posting mine proudly in a front window. Posting signs in my yard that say, "I'm taking America back". 70% a huge majority, have just said they don't like the way it's being run and want huge change now. Not through any long drawn out process. Now! It would be Amazing!
 

Brenda H (29)
Monday August 11, 2008, 12:15 pm
NOBAMA & MCCAIN'T SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE TOP OF THE "SHIT LIST" WHEN WE WERE VOTING AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST 2 TO QUIT! THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES VOTED TO PUT THESE 2 IDIOTS IN THIS RACE FOR PREZ--WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?? NOW WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH ONE OR THE OTHER OF THESE 2 IDIOTS--SUCH A SHAME FOR OUR COUNTRY! "NO IN NOVEMBER"!
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Monday August 11, 2008, 1:49 pm
Deborah has an excellent idea!
I LOVE it!
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Monday August 11, 2008, 4:05 pm
Cate every one of your posts were absolutely fantastic. So fantastic that if i could give you 1000 GOLD STARS i would. It is refreshing to no that NOBAMA doesn't have all of the LIBERALS in this country fooled. Thanx for all of your great posts.
Lee Stone you asked Cate if FIDEL and NOBAMA should be compared together and you made this remark.
"A newly elected American president could not achieve such radical change as Castro could. Castro faced the destruction of the ancien regime; not so an American president"
All of the NEO-LIBS would agree that is exactly what Bush has done. So what would be the different with NOBAMA? Every thing about either NOBAMA or MCCAINT is POLITICAL PROPAGANDA everything. Clinton used it against Obama, Obama used it against Clinton and the circle goes on and on and on were all getting SICK and DIZZY from going around so much. Obama is ABSOLUTELY nothing McCain is a SHIPWRECK and the people of the UNITED STATES are about to endure 4 YEARS of the worst GOVERNMENT we have ever had to endure. At least with McCain we all know what to expect, but NOBAMA who is a total SOCIALIST bordering on being an outright COMMUNIST "UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE BEING THE FIRST IN A REALLLL LONG
LIST" some of us in this Country can make that assumption. This FRIENDS of which there are many William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright and a slew of others shows us where his true ideas for this country lie.
 

Phyllis P (237)
Tuesday August 12, 2008, 11:20 am
Some of us can't vote...and I don't see a good choice either way. But if I could vote this election, I probably would not. And I never used to miss the polls.
 

Deborah Hooper (59)
Tuesday August 12, 2008, 9:09 pm
I actually wanted Kucinich, and someone said he'd never get the nomination, he doesn't have any charisma. "Charisma?" I said, "then how to you explain Mccain?" ROFL - I still crack myself up.

But, seriously, I need to understand how does doing nothing do anything but doing nothing? (think I said that right? it's getting late, for me, the circuits are miss firing)

Thanks, Tim! I keep trying.
 

Lee Stone (24)
Wednesday August 13, 2008, 11:53 pm
Kevin, look at your statements and their logic. First, you are comparing the Bush Administration to the Castro Revolution. Just what can you point to to justify this statement? No, "Neo-Libs"--assuming you mean today's Liberals--who know history, would not contend Pres. Bush has destroyed a former form of government as did Castro. To set up a straw-man argument ("Neo-Libs say...") contending that other people say something, does not prove your point.

Second, your statement--Obama is "absolutely nothing"--is devoid of meaning. Just what do you mean?

Third, equating a person with other people who you claim are their friends is a classic form of propaganda: guilt by association. There could well be greater differences between Rev. Wright and Sen. Obama than similarities. Does Sen. Obama's denunciation of the Reverend carry any weight? A few years ago I sang in the choir of a small-town Presbyterian church in Mississippi and disagreed with nearly everything the Pastor said. Yet, you would have it--to follow your reasoning--that I was in agreement with the pastor.

Your prediction that under Sen. Obama the U.S. would endure the worst government in the history of the country is crystal-ball gazing and hyperbole with, I assume, no basis on which to base the prediction. Just what do you see in Sen. Obama that millions do not? Another phantom revolution?

Likewise, to say that in Sen. McCain "we know what to expect" is to ignore that he (like Sen. Obama) has no executive experience (unlike governors). True, and importantly, we do have the political careers of Senators McCain and Obama (and the latter's other brief experiences as law editor, law professor, and community organizer). Yet, I contend that it is difficult to assess what either of the candidates would do in office in the future (but we can try!). For example, foreign-policy people are debating how strongly Sen. McCain believes, and would practice, a pre-emptive military policy. Many think he is very much a leader--partly based on his and his family's (two generations of admirals) background and his current foreign-policy advisers (like Robert Kagan)--who would implement an aggressive foreign policy using pre-emptive military strikes. Is this what you think is a proper way to use American power in the world? But my general point is that the office of U. S. president is a sui generis position (without comparison). Occupying the office itself is the sole test of how someone would perform in that position.

You use such over-the-top hyperbole when you say Sen. Obama is a "total socialist bordering on being an outright communist" that I do not understand what your purpose is here. Apparently you associate universal health care with communism! That's an amazing leap of definition. (Sen Obama's position of health care for all--as does the entire Democratic Party--is one reason I support him.) My town owns the city library and several city parks and the streets--is my town communist? Forgive my hyperbole, but the city government must be a Castro-like communist revolution intent upon spreading its revolutionary governmental philosophy and propaganda because Little League baseball plays there in the city-owned park. Poor kids. I even heard the city owns the sidewalks.

Sen. Obama can and should be evaluated (as should every candidate). But historical comparisons with little congruence between the past and today must be avoided. It is just not good history and it is not a valid way to evaluate. Lack of experience IS a valid criticism of Sen. Obama; red-baiting him is not.
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Thursday August 14, 2008, 7:10 am
Lee, we shall start with the easiest one first. Universal Health Care, Universal implies that it is for the mass's hence it is a SOCIALIST PROGRAM. You are going to ROB the RICH to PAY for the POOR. Whenever a person is forced at the point of a "GUN" to give money for the MASS"S that is SOCIALISM. It is akin to my 4 neighbors coming to me and telling me that they are starting a group health insurance plan and since i make more money then them they will only pay 10% each and i HAVE to pay 60% which they CONSIDER FAIR since of course i can AFFORD IT.
Now lets go to McCain. McCain in my OWN OPINION is nothing more then a WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTH"S, meaning that he is more CENTER LEFT then Right and you are absolutely right except for assuming that i am IGNORING his lack of executive experience, when you say we have their political records. No as a true conservative i find that to vote for McCain is nothing more then a vote for the LEFT. He has PROVEN time and time again with such things as McCain -Kennedy, McCain -Feingold and a slew of others where he actually stands POLITICALLY.
On to Obama. I have said this before JOE BLOW doesn't wake up in the morning kiss his Wife and Kids and tells them i am going to run for PRESIDENT. Someone with VERY VERY DEEP pockets approached him and said WE are GOING TO MAKE YOU PRESIDENT. You can believe this if you want or not If you tell PEOPLE what they WANT to hear they will listen, does it mean that they will do what they say? HELL NO but it sounds good. Tell everybody who doesn't have insurance that they will be able to see the doctor if you vote for ME or STAY sick with the other guy because he doesn't believe in ROBBING from the RICH to support the POOR and who do thing they will vote for? Tell someone that you will pay less tax and WE will Tax the RICH more and who do think the MASS"S are going to vote for? Be the ONLY SERIOUS BLACK candidate in the TWO PARTY SYSTEM to make it this far and who do you think the BLACKS in this country are going to VOTE for JUST BECAUSE he is BLACK? In your own example of the rev WRIGHT fiasco in which you said,
"A few years ago I sang in the choir of a small-town Presbyterian church in Mississippi and disagreed with nearly everything the Pastor said. Yet, you would have it--to follow your reasoning--that I was in agreement with the pastor". However Obama and the REV who he said was and had been for 20 years his spiritual mentor associated in and out of church which to ME suggests more then what you alluded to. With Bill Ayers who was and still is a HOME GROWN terrorist who Obama admitted he spent a lot of time with and considered a DEAR FRIEND one would believe they discussed more then the WEATHER when they were together. Tony Rezko being a true friend of Obama's allowed him the benefit of SHADY land dealings that wouldn't be available to just mere citizens, and i suspect that there's more in this then has been brought forward, but hell every body KNOWS that POLITICIANS always seem to find themselves PAYING ALOT LESS for things then the ordinary FOLK just because of their positions and what they can do for the person giving them the FAVOR its called CORRUPTION.
Its always amused me that people who believe in SOCIALISM have a way to live in such COMFORT while the mass's languish. Russia was a good example the members of the politburo all had expensive houses for themselves and their immediate families and almost everyone of them had Dachas in the country or the Black sea, Ate the worlds best caviar and drank champagne, while the mass's were jammed into tiny apartments with 3-4-or even 5 generations living there. Waiting in lines for hours and hours and hours for 2 rolls of TOILET PAPER. Socialism at its finest, except for the ELITE.
Lee you are absolutely right About Obama's ability to pull money from the very MASS"S that he wishes to convert to SOCIALISM. If you PROMISE, NO THATS NOT RIGHT, give the ILLUSION to the MASS"S that you are going to DRAMATICALLY CHANGE their lives for only 25 or even 50 dollars people are going to send it, its natural instinct to do so. Its almost as ridiculous as JOHN EDWARDS going around getting millions of dollars to speak on POVERTY in this country when he lives in a 25,000 sq. foot house has hundreds of million dollars in the bank "probably off shore" pays 400 dollars for a haircut and then has the Audacity to try and get his campaign to pay for it. This is what the left who espouse SOCIALISM would have you think that because they PROMISE some sort of program where as they are going to ROB THE RICH to pay for it grants them the right to do so. They would have you believe that they are going to TAX THEMSELFS since they are the RICH AND POWERFUL to pay for these programs, Yet they KEEP the INTERNAL ROBBERY SERVICE with all of its LOOPHOLES for the RICH AND POWERFUL in place so that the burden of all of these SOCIAL programs lands in the LAPS of the MASS"S.
Red-Baiting it is not it is there for all to see, its up to the individual to open their eyes to see what is there. I personally feel that there is no distinction between the 2 parties, it is an illusion manifested to keep half of the people in consent arguing among themselves to keep their attention away from whats going on behind closed doors. WAGGING THE TAIL.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 14, 2008, 9:29 am
Bravo Kevin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You said it the way it all needs to be said & heard!!!!!!

If not now
When???????

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE.........
 

RC deWinter (418)
Thursday August 14, 2008, 9:41 am
It's true that both major political parties are in bed together on most major issues. The stark divisions in philosophy that were once the hallmark of their philosophies have been blurred into a seamless viewpoint by the co-opting of our government by lobbyists for multinational corporations, big, oil, big pharma, world banking, etc. etc. ad nauseam. We have no real choice left in our presidential elections anymore - this has been proven by the last two that were handed to Bush through voting fraud, the right-wing Supreme Court and large powerful donors applying pressure. Business and banking interests will choose our "democratically elected" presidents from now on.

The only thing that can change this, IMHO, is a violent and bloody overthrow of our government, and that is not going to happen until the dwindling middle-class turns off the bread-and-circus of television and advertising and begins to experience food shortages, energy shortages, crop prices falling to record lows, mass water shortages and mass unemployment along the lines of the Great Depression.
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Thursday August 14, 2008, 10:00 am
I'm both amused and confused by people
who use the word "socialism" like it's
a bad thing.
imho, This country could use a large and
healthy dose of socialism, the sooner the
better.
If you're a conservative at 30, you have no heart.
If you're a conservative at 40, you have no brain.
If you're a conservative at 50, you have no soul.
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Thursday August 14, 2008, 11:24 am
YOU MIGHT BE A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT IF... 8:29 AM

You think that burning the US Flag is acceptable, because it's just a swatch of cloth and doesn't mean anything, but that flying the Confederate Stars & Bars is unacceptable, because it's a symbol of HATRED.
You believe that government should make a special effort to hire members of traditionally oppressed groups, such as African-Americans (except for Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice).
You think that protesting outside of a US Marine recruiting office in the Peoples Republic of Berkeley is protected by your 1st Amendment rights, and think that protesting outside an abortion clinic is not.
If you believe that posting the "Ten Commandments" in schools will hurt the children, but putting "Heather Has Two Mommies" or "Ask Alice" (on the internet) won't.

You think marriage is obsolete - except for homosexuals.
You feel Fidelity means not cheating on your mistress.
You live in constant fear that someone, somewhere, is making a profit.
You believe that if you reward stupidity, you get less of it.

You believe that nativity scenes should be banned from public view, but that anyone objecting to pornography “only has to look the other way.”
You are worried about how the French view Americans.
You have no problem with Hollywood movie stars flying around in private jets to give speeches on the evils of SUVs
You give money to the homeless man on the corner of the freeway, but you turn up your nose every time you see a boy scout."
You think that pornography corrupts women, but find nothing wrong with a 50 year old president seducing a 21 year old intern.
You cry every May 4th over the four people killed at Kent State, but have never been to the Vietnam Memorial.
You say shows like "Andy Griffith " are out of touch with America today, while you flip to your soap opera.
You tout the NAACP, but criticize anyone referring to a black man as a "colored person."
You think a mother has a right to kill an innocent 5 month fetus because her pregnancy would interfere with her career, but feel we shouldn't put to death the man who raped and murdered 14 women.
You feel that being convicted of treason is an infringement on your first amendment rights.
You honestly feel that alcoholics deserve social security disability benefits.
You outwardly said "I would have voted for Elizabeth Dole" knowing darn well you wouldn't have because she is a Republican.
You think it is ok for a President to commit perjury on his sex life, but criticize Dan Quayle for spelling potato/potatoe wrong.
You stood on a soapbox demanding that Anita Hill be heard, but want Paula Jones' accusations to be swept under the rug.
You think the guy who drops out of High School and builds your jeep deserves more money than the doctor who went to college for 10 years and saves your kids life.
You think a moment of silent prayer at the beginning of the school day constitutes government indoctrination and an intrusion on parental authority, while sex education, condom distribution and multiculturalism are values.
You sang along to "Give Peace a Chance" during the Gulf War.
You've filed for unemployment within two weeks of getting out of high school.
You went to Woodstock II and felt that it was a significant historical event, changing the way our country thinks.
You own something that says, "Dukakis for President," and still display it.
You've tried to argue in favor of anything based on, "Well, they're gonna do it anyway so..."
You've ever said, "We really should call the ACLU about this."
You believe that a few hundred loggers can find another career, but the defenseless spotted owl must live in its preferred tree.
You ever based an argument on the phrase, "But they can afford a tax hike because..."
You've ever argued that with just one more year of welfare that person will turn it around and get off drugs.
You think Lennon was a brilliant social commentator.
You keep count of how many people you know in each racial or ethnic category.
You believe our government must do it because everyone in Europe does.
After looking at your pay stub you can still say, "America is undertaxed."

 

Kevin Carty (10)
Thursday August 14, 2008, 11:29 am
That was stolen from somewhere else but it fits the situation.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 14, 2008, 11:32 am
BRAVO-BRAVO-BRAVO Kevin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KEEP IT UP!!!!!!

If not now
When???????????????????

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE................
 

Carol W (119)
Thursday August 14, 2008, 12:13 pm
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the
blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of
misery." --Winston Churchill


Naomi Kien..

It's More Than Just Oil.

The Nations Wealth is being slipped into the hands of Private Companies to the breaking point of our economy.

If not stopped, private enterprise will be renting and selling back to us what is ours.

Our membership in the U.N. was not ratified.
We are not part of the United Nations, and do not give up our
Self-governing; independent: sovereign state.

Mexico's massive privatizations in 1994-95 also created a new privileged class of home-grown millionaires and billionaires. As of 2002, Mexico ranked fourth in the world in billionaires, behind the US, Japan and Germany.

Put aside, for a moment, political affiliation or personal beliefs. It doesn't matter if you are a Democratic, Republican or Independent. It doesn't matter if you support the invasion or Iraq or not. Despite our differences, the Constitution has stood for two centuries as the defining document of our government, the final source to determine - in the end - if something is legal or right.

Every federal official - including the President - who takes an oath of office swears to "uphold and defend" the Constitution of the United States.

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says he cringes when someone calls the Constitution a "living document."

""Oh, how I hate the phrase we have-a 'living document,'" Scalia says. "We now have a Constitution that means whatever we want it to mean. The Constitution is not a living organism, for Pete's sake."

As a judge, Scalia says, "I don't have to prove that it's perfect; I just have to prove that it's better than anything else."

President Bush has proposed seven amendments to the Constitution over the last five years - a record for any modern President, including a controversial amendment to define marriage as a "union between a man and woman." Members of Congress have proposed some 11,000 amendments over the last decade, ranging from repeal of the right to bear arms to a Constitutional ban on abortion.

Scalia says the danger of tinkering with the Constitution comes from a loss of rights.

"We can take away rights just as we can grant new ones," Scalia warns. "Don't think that it's a one-way street."

And don't buy the White House hype that the USA Patriot Act is a necessary tool to fight terrorism. It is a dangerous law that infringes on the rights of every American citizen and, as one brave aide told President Bush, something that undermines the Constitution of the United States.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

This information comes from three West Wing sources who say a fourth White House employee in the meeting told them the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper." That employee refused to return my phone calls but this kind of behavior is consistent with Bush's record on ignoring the Constitution when it suits his political purpose.

Have no record of where I came across the above... But thought to throw it into the discussion herewith.

I lived in Europe 4 years, and LOVED their health care system.
The oldest living have many options in living arrangements & care.
My Am. Germ/British Ins.for $100 a mth. as an American on the system covered, Full Dental for me and children. All doctor visits, optical, hearing, more. Complete maternity coverage when I learned we werehaving our 2nd child.

No B.S. riders, additional costs,
The only thing hidden in the European (Germ & England) health care is the multitude of coverage everyone is entitled too.
There is NO reason we can't have that here. None.
 

Carol W (119)
Thursday August 14, 2008, 12:16 pm

but, oh my gosh...what does any of my comment have to do with Georgia & Russia?
...I guess I'm just pointing out just how vile, and ineffective the USA Govt. is here on our soil.
...This is all so crazy. I think Russia is preparing for nut case Israel & US invasion of Iran... Russia is just warming up. If China chimes in,
I guess Bush really will have his dream come true.
 

Deborah Hooper (59)
Thursday August 14, 2008, 5:05 pm
You might be a Conservative Republican if you think this

"You think that burning the US Flag is acceptable, because it's just a swatch of cloth and doesn't mean anything, but that flying the Confederate Stars & Bars is unacceptable, because it's a symbol of HATRED. You believe that government should make a special effort to hire members of traditionally oppressed groups, such as African-Americans (except for Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice). You think that protesting outside of a US Marine recruiting office in the Peoples Republic of Berkeley is protected by your 1st Amendment rights, and think that protesting outside an abortion clinic is not. If you believe that posting the "Ten Commandments" in schools will hurt the children, but putting "Heather Has Two Mommies" or "Ask Alice" (on the internet) won't. You think marriage is obsolete - except for homosexuals. You feel Fidelity means not cheating on your mistress. You live in constant fear that someone, somewhere, is making a profit. You believe that if you reward stupidity, you get less of it. You believe that nativity scenes should be banned from public view, but that anyone objecting to pornography “only has to look the other way.” You are worried about how the French view Americans. You have no problem with Hollywood movie stars flying around in private jets to give speeches on the evils of SUVs You give money to the homeless man on the corner of the freeway, but you turn up your nose every time you see a boy scout." You think that pornography corrupts women, but find nothing wrong with a 50 year old president seducing a 21 year old intern. You cry every May 4th over the four people killed at Kent State, but have never been to the Vietnam Memorial. You say shows like "Andy Griffith " are out of touch with America today, while you flip to your soap opera. You tout the NAACP, but criticize anyone referring to a black man as a "colored person." You think a mother has a right to kill an innocent 5 month fetus because her pregnancy would interfere with her career, but feel we shouldn't put to death the man who raped and murdered 14 women. You feel that being convicted of treason is an infringement on your first amendment rights. You honestly feel that alcoholics deserve social security disability benefits. You outwardly said "I would have voted for Elizabeth Dole" knowing darn well you wouldn't have because she is a Republican. You think it is ok for a President to commit perjury on his sex life, but criticize Dan Quayle for spelling potato/potatoe wrong. You stood on a soapbox demanding that Anita Hill be heard, but want Paula Jones' accusations to be swept under the rug. You think the guy who drops out of High School and builds your jeep deserves more money than the doctor who went to college for 10 years and saves your kids life. You think a moment of silent prayer at the beginning of the school day constitutes government indoctrination and an intrusion on parental authority, while sex education, condom distribution and multiculturalism are values. You sang along to "Give Peace a Chance" during the Gulf War. You've filed for unemployment within two weeks of getting out of high school. You went to Woodstock II and felt that it was a significant historical event, changing the way our country thinks. You own something that says, "Dukakis for President," and still display it. You've tried to argue in favor of anything based on, "Well, they're gonna do it anyway so..." You've ever said, "We really should call the ACLU about this." You believe that a few hundred loggers can find another career, but the defenseless spotted owl must live in its preferred tree. You ever based an argument on the phrase, "But they can afford a tax hike because..." You've ever argued that with just one more year of welfare that person will turn it around and get off drugs. You think Lennon was a brilliant social commentator. You keep count of how many people you know in each racial or ethnic category. You believe our government must do it because everyone in Europe does. After looking at your pay stub you can still say, "America is undertaxed." "

is a Liberal Democrat.
 

Deborah Hooper (59)
Thursday August 14, 2008, 5:07 pm
I've changed my mind, I'm writing in: "You are all fired"
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 14, 2008, 5:26 pm
Kevin.....You still got it right!!!!!!

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE........
 

Carol W (119)
Thursday August 14, 2008, 10:27 pm

If anyone thinks they are republicans and democrats all I can say is Kevin & Deborah, think again. Thats homeland security at its best; red & blue states, OMG Terror Alert! We have red, blue, democrat, republican, tom foolery about to erupt.
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Friday August 15, 2008, 9:54 am
Carol you are right, the names REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT serve only to divide this country on SOCIAL ISSSUES so that the powers in Washington have free and UMPEDED sway over the mass's. Like i said it is nothing more then a WAG THE TAIL so that people are too busy fighting each other to actually see what is really happening to this country. I personally feel that EVERY POLITICIAN above the HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION level is corrupt or becomes corrupt within a very short period of time after being elected. In any society where one group of people holds all of the power you will have others that try to gain FAVORS in the form of legislation or outright laws that benefit them. Favors are then returned in kind such as Campaign contributions, Huge DONATIONS for Presidential library's, Land deals for mere PENNIES on the dollar for SUPER PRIME REESTATE, FREE TRIPS i hope you get where I'm going.
I firmly believe that this is what should happen here if we all wish for this to change. Term limits imposed making 2 terms in the Senate, 2 terms as a congressman. politicians would not be allowed to be a SENATOR for 2 terms and then become a congressman and vice verse, its one or the other. No Allowing politicians to remain for retirement in either position. Abolish Senate and congressional retirement benefits totally, They can remain in government jobs just not those. Then they can be eligible for CIVIL SERVICE RETIREMENTS. The same medical benefits allowed to civil service members with no special privileges. There pay should be reduced to the AVERAGE Household INCOME level as stated by the US CENSUS BUREAU which for 2006 was 48,201 dollars. Senators and congressman would be subjected to the same rules governing GIFTS as CIVIL SERVICE has to comply with, making it a FELONY to not report such gifts within 30 days and immediate EXPLUSION from office for failing to do so. Once a Senator or Congressman has left office they would be banned from lobbying for 10 years. Once they have left office they may not be employed by or service on their board of any company that benefited directly from legislation that they lobbied the politician for. It would be against the law for any immediate family member to be a lobbyist while a senator or congressman is actually serving as that IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. As is the case with a departing member their immediate families would not be allowed to work for any company that benefited from any legislation that a serving member was lobbied for.
The above changes to the SENATE and CONGRESS is the only way to stop the OUTRIGHT CORRUPTION that this COUNTRY allows to happen on a daily basis in Washington People would serve only for the betterment of this country and not what this COUNTRY can GIVE TO THEM and their families. Almost every member of the SENATE and CONGRESS who are only paid no more then 165,000 dollars a year leaves those offices as MILLIONAIRES and go on to serve on the BOARD OF DIRECTORS for a slew of companies simply because of the power and influence that they bring with them. When you look at the SENATE and CONGRESS to day you find people like Ted Kennedy,Jay Rockefeller and a few others that are billionaires, are they in congress to make our lives better or are they in it for higher aspirations?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 15, 2008, 10:23 am
TY Kevin.....Another very well thought out
reasons to change what has been going on for far too long!!!!!!!

If not now
When??????????

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE.............

 

Tim Redfern (581)
Friday August 15, 2008, 10:32 am
My late father used to say the nice
thing about banging your head against
the wall is that it feels so good when
you stop. I'm going to find out what
that's like now. I give up trying to
tilt at windmills.
Never try to teach a pig to sing.
It wastes your time and it annoys the pig.
 

Deborah Hooper (59)
Friday August 15, 2008, 7:26 pm
Me? Democrat? Naw, I'm of the human race.
 

Brenda H (29)
Friday August 15, 2008, 7:50 pm
THANK YOU KEVIN: I ABSOLUTELY AGREE! You think that burning the US Flag is acceptable, because it's just a swatch of cloth and doesn't mean anything, but that flying the Confederate Stars & Bars is unacceptable, because it's a symbol of HATRED.
I LIVE IN LOUISIANA AND "I DO" FLY THE CONFEDERATE FLAG--IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HATRED, BUT FOR OUR SOUTHERN PRIDE! IF YOU CAN'T BE PROUD OF WHERE YOU ARE BORN AN RAISED--THEN THAT'S A SHAME! I SPIT ON OUR GOVERMENT--BUT I LOVE MY COUNTRY!
 

Deborah Hooper (59)
Friday August 15, 2008, 8:13 pm
I don't live in the south, but I believe the Confederate Flag should stand for the history attached. How does that go, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it?
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Friday August 15, 2008, 9:36 pm
Right the mark Deborah, and for some reason that has been forgotten in Georgia/Russia!!!!!!!!!!
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Saturday August 16, 2008, 3:02 pm
Thank you Brenda i to am from the SOUTH and FLY mine also. Then as now During the WAR of NORTHERN AGRESSION sitting in Washington were senators and congressman that thought they KNEW WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDED MORE THEN THE PEOPLE DID. The GOVERNMENT that we have now is so out of touch with the people that it is scary sometimes. More and more people are coming to the realization that a SECOND REVOLUTION is the only thing that is going to return this country to the PEOPLE from the POLITICIANS that HIJACKED us in 1913 when the GOVERNMENT in Washington DC WITHOUT THE APPROVAL of the STATES signed into LAW the FEDERAL RESERVE ACT, enslaving the people of America to the Families that OWN THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. The President, Vice President, senators , congressman and the Supreme Court since that time have continued to allow these families TOTAL CONTROL of this country. Its the people that THEY CHOSE to be in office that we are ALLOWED to vote for. They do make it look DEMOCRATIC by putting two or three of them up for us to choice from but in the end, the one that they want is the one elected. All we have to do i look back to 2000 when AL GORE won and the SUPREME COURT deemed that it knew better then the MILLIONS ON TOP OF MILLIONS of people in this country who voted to make him President. I don't know how long it will take for this COUNTRY to wake up and realize that the people we VOTE into office are NOT IN CONTROL but that the FAMILIES who OWN the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK actually CONTROL every aspect of our lives.
 

Deborah Hooper (59)
Saturday August 16, 2008, 7:04 pm
Isn't the confederate flag now used as just another tool to divide us just a bit more. North and South, Black and White, Gay and Straight, Cat and Mouse? Divide and Conquer? Wouldn't it be better to just be "we the people"?
 

Deborah Hooper (59)
Saturday August 16, 2008, 7:10 pm
I agree, that a revolution is coming, but I don't believe that it will be bloody, and it doesn't have to be. We the people can take back our government, our country and our freedoms, with out firing a shot.

I also think we should get rid of the federal reserve and bring back the gold standard. Our forefathers came her to cut the ties with the bank of England. It creates a debtors society. I just read they were getting ready to open or create the central bank of Iraq.
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Sunday August 17, 2008, 7:34 am
Deborah, if history has taught us anything it is that peaceful REVOLUTION never works. All it does is push the HIGHER ECHELON of power even further into hiding while giving the False IMPRESSION that the people have won. If any one talks about such groups as the BILDERBURGERS, the TRILATERAL COMMISION, Council on Foreign Relations or any of the others, the MEDIA in this country {WHICH IS OWNED BY THESE PEOPLE} brand you as a CONSPIRACY NUT JOB. Propaganda can be very OVERT or very supple and most people will believe it because they refuse to think that these people would LIE to them. Whats funny is that BOTH conservative and Liberal media outlets {THAT ARE ALL OWNED BY THE SAME PEOPLE} tells the mass's that these organizations either don't exist or if they do acknowledge there existence that they are merely little groups of people who get together and talk about such BORING things as how much fertilizer needs to be used in Africa. Neither Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinch belong to the Council on Foreign Relations which is why the Media has TOTALLY SHUNNED them. The MEDIA in this country if they REALLY WANTED CHANGE they had the PERFECT opportunity with either one of them because they both had such a grass roots following that neither McSAME or NOBAMA would have even had a chance of winning. No a peaceful REVOLUTION will not work, it has to be a quick and total retake of this country with no PRISONERS. If you just SLAP someone all that does is PISS them off and makes RETRIBUTION SWIFT AND AGONIZING. The few FAMILIES that OWN THE WORLD are continuing to consolidate their power almost to the point where they are totally INVINCEABLE and if we allow that to happen we will never be able to retake our country.
 

Deborah Hooper (59)
Monday August 18, 2008, 5:39 pm
Hi Kevin,

So, how are all of us getting news about the evil doers?
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 18, 2008, 6:01 pm
There will be bloodshed.

And don't we all know where it is going
to come from & who will start it!!

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE.................
 

Carol W (119)
Wednesday August 27, 2008, 10:12 am

Fantastic Kevin, & Tim....Right on, and thank you for these amazing well laid out truisms.
Kevin you nailed it, more than once herewith.
TY;
I firmly believe that this is what should happen here if we all wish for this to change....
 

Carol W (119)
Wednesday August 27, 2008, 10:20 am


The glorified welfare ride must be stopped.
These synchophants chip away at the 2percent of national budget going to the truly underprivileged while adding 5 percent annually to their cost of living adjustments.
 
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