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Iraqi-Made Clothing - To Be Imported & Sold in US?


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RC
- 2686 days ago - nytimes.com
I feel like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz -"Is this a GOOD thing or a BAD thing?" Pro and cons here aplenty, folks!



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RC deWinter (418)
Monday August 13, 2007, 3:46 am
On the one hand, Iraqis will have jobs. On the other hand, the factories are state-controlled - nor very democratic! One the one hand, it will bring cash flow to Iraq. On the other hand, will the people making the clothing be paid only a few cents a day? On the one hand, people will be off the dangerous streets. On the other hand, they may be putting themselves in danger in a sweatshop-style environment. On the one hand, it might be a real morale booster for the Iraqi people. On the other hand, will clothing factories become targets for sectarian and/or GO HOME USA violence? mumble mumble mumble...
 

One Love (130)
Monday August 13, 2007, 4:14 am
The big question is, does the Illuminati get away with stealing the Iraqi people's #1 resource; OIL. And in return, get turned into a third world clothing manufacturer.

Don't you think America should be concentrating on getting water to Baghdad and distributing the oil wealth to Iraqis not Rockefellers.

Other industry is good, but not at the expense of the real heart of the Iraqi economy.
 

One Love (130)
Monday August 13, 2007, 4:16 am
After what we have done to Iraqi, we should be helping them in every way we can.

 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 13, 2007, 4:22 am
....so nice to see that the prime minister is getting ready for the Christian holidays in America, and doing business with Sears and Walmart. (SARCASM)...seems they nearly gotten the Iraqi CULTURE all sewn up and ready to maket to America....should keep alot of people busy while the Bushonians continue thier quest for oil....
 

Lauren Stone (586)
Monday August 13, 2007, 4:40 am
Well, maybe they can make T-shirts that say FUCK BUSH in that beautiful Islamic script! I'll buy one.
 

Heather Spears (3)
Monday August 13, 2007, 4:41 am
After what we have done to Iraqi, we should be helping them in every way we can.

"One Love" I can understand in some ways where your coming from, but what about the lives that are being lost on our end. Our Military, Yes we should have went over there after 9/11 happened, But No we should not be over there now. What we should have done was go over and bomb the hell out of them and came home for tea....Don't you think thats what they did? We are over there trying to make peace and help, all there doing is killing US, our military and that so called President of ours is playing golf....I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS 100%, But that President I wouldnt trust him with my dog. And then we have people like you Poor Iraq, Come on open your eyes, Our Military(sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, moms and dads) are getting killed not only by roadside bombs but children walking up to them with bombs strapped to them....No It is poor US, OUR MILITARY....
 

Ratty Ratman (160)
Monday August 13, 2007, 4:50 am
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How much will the workers be making per hour?

And....

The statement that jobs will lure some of the insurgency away is preposterous. They are trying to defend their homeland, same as I would. You think I would go make clothes to sell in the occupier's country if I was in that situation?

And as for Lauren's comment above, I sure will gladly buy a shirt like that.

Here's a song along those lines I made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZx0v_6HEDg

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Lauren Stone (586)
Monday August 13, 2007, 4:55 am
Heather, as the Mother of an Iraq war vet who gave, not his life, but his body, mind and soul to BushCo's war, I appreciate your support of the troops. But I must make the point that NO, we should NEVER have gone to Iraq! The US invaded Iraq over LIES told to a devistated and frightened country. Even my own son will tell you that!
We, the US, do not now nor have we ever had any business in Iraq! THEY did NOTHING to the US. Understand? NOTHING. They did NOT attack the USA. Bush is a crimainal and a liar who used the fear of the US people as an excuse to invade Iraq for OIL. MOST of us are awake to this reality by now.
YOU, my dear Heather, with all due respect need to OPEN YOUR EYES! Because you cannot see the forest for the deception!
My son sacrificed a great deal for this country and for what? I have friends with DEAD children who sacrificed a whole lot more...and for WHAT??? For LIES, that's what! For the ambitions of a criminal government, that's for what!
I'm trying to hold my tongue here and not tell you to go F yourself! Perhaps it would be wise to know of WHAT you speak, BEFORE you speak. I'm sure our military appreciates your support!
 

RC deWinter (418)
Monday August 13, 2007, 4:56 am
Yes, Lauren...the war is a lie...it is blood for oil and Middle East dominance...it has nothing to do with 9/11, WMDs or democracy for Iraq! SHAM WAR...SHAM REGIME!
 

Lauren Stone (586)
Monday August 13, 2007, 5:06 am
Sorry, NOT! That really get's my goat that some people, who obviously have their heads in the sand STILL believe that we are there (in Iraq) for some noble cause! WE ARE NOT!! We NEVER were there for freedom, for any real threat, OMG...read a paper! Turn on the news!! Get your head out of your arse!!!
Every time I see my son, I want to do something that would send me to the electric chair!
Are US troops being killed? YES! Because Bush has made them the enemy...who cannot understand that? If some other country invaded the USA, would we not fight to defend ourselves??? DUH! WE invaded THEM. WE, in this case ARE THE BAD GUYS, get it??? Oh geez, now I have a headache! I'm going to bed...good night all.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 13, 2007, 5:13 am
noted and thanks Cate
 

Lauren Stone (586)
Monday August 13, 2007, 5:14 am
Cate, I hope you won't think I'm spamming your story, but truly I just want to cry every time I read some idiotic statement by someone who still believes we are fighting the good fight. WE ARE NOT! Blame someone for the deaths of our Marines and soldiers. YES, do! But blame the true culprit, BUSH, not the Iraqi people.
Below may give Heather and anyone else who still feels the way she does, some insight.
This was writen by a 24 year old Marine who was THERE...The first day...Who lost more than you or I can ever try to imagine...


Be a Patriot:



I don't mean like the foot ball team, I mean like a freedom fighter, a minute man, or a George Washington. People in this country seem to live there lives ignorant to the lies and corruption of our government. The lies about Iraq and the WMDs that never existed, President Bush admitted to the country about knowingly lying to congress about the WMD documents, and yet he is still in power and was reelected. Why have the American people not called for his removal from office? Why is it that the media has not pursued the lies and injustice?

Ever sense September 11th, President Bush has had unwavering power over congress and the supreme court, bypassing the checks and balances that are constitutional rights, put into place to prevent one person from becoming to powerful. Every year we lose more and more of our freedoms to a corrupt government.

I ask you to please open your eyes to the truth, even if you don't agree with what I say. Just do the research and you will see the corruption that has a strangle hold on the American people. You will see the campaign of terror that our government has used to stay in power, and keep you in fear.

This is not about left or right, its about right and wrong. This is about our freedom. We all have the power to stand up for whats right, we are not alone you are not just one person, we are Patriots.



 

Heather Spears (3)
Monday August 13, 2007, 5:24 am
Laren, Listen your not the only person that has or had someone in this war, My brother was over there twice plus he was in Desert Storm and yes we should have left a long time ago....but when we first went over there, yes it was for 9/11 then it turned into a vendetta. Suddam Hussan threatened his dad, put a contract on Bush's dad head. No body wants us over there. Our troops are fighting battles that will never be won....And No we are not the bad guys, our troops are just following the orders of an insane man, The Great President....So before you tell me to go f**k myself get the whole story...
 

Lauren Stone (586)
Monday August 13, 2007, 5:50 am
First off, I did not tell you to go F yourself. Secondly, if your brother was in Desert Storm pt 1, then one would expect that you might be a bit better informed about what is going on. I am deeply sorry for your brother. I have seen what war does to people and no one should have to live with that. It is especially difficult when the person comes to realize that they were DECEIVED. That they watched their friends fall abroad and again at home, for a LIE!
You are right, I am not the only one with a wounded or lost loved one...according to http://www.iraqwarheroes.com/index.htm

the US has lost 4127 souls in Iraq and Afghanistan since the begginning of this madness. How many more I wonder will Bush sacrifice for his own designs? Saddam is DEAD. Now what???
Our troops are Bush's pawns. Our attacking Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. That was a lie. Do you truly NOT understand that??? Most of the 'terrorists' were Saudi nationals. IF this had been in retaliation for 9/11, they why didn't BushCo attack Saudi Arabia?? HHHmmmm. let's see, maybe because we are bed with the Saudis. That would have been bad politics. The US depends on Saudi oil. But perhaps in the future we won't as much since Bush is stealing it from the Iraqis!
 

Charlene S. (126)
Monday August 13, 2007, 5:59 am
August 7, 2007 at 16:53:49

ACTUAL AMERICAN COMBAT DEATHS OVER 15,000 / NOT 3,700 AS REPORTED

by Allen L Roland

http://www.opednews.com









Three Dead and severely wounded American soldiers in Iraq ~ Are they being correctly reported ?
It's not a matter of what is true that counts but a matter of what is perceived to be true : Henry Kissinger
The perception of truth is the ongoing mantra of the Cheney/Bush administration for their greatest enemy is the truth and they will go to any lengths to avoid it ~ as witnessed by their stonewalling of the 9/11 commission as well as the Pat Tillman wrongful death inquiry.


But this one borders on being morally traitorous. Torin Wolf has a broad and varied background as a US Army Combat Nurse during Operation Iraqi Freedom and reveals that the actual count of dead American troops numbers is around 15,000-17,000, not the 3,600 we have been told. “If you get shot in combat – Bam! Clock goes off. If you die in transit [to a hospital out of Iraq such as Ramstein in Germany] you are not an official Iraq casualty.” The same holds true if the troops out of the country die 24 hours after they were hit in Iraq. The official troop death number is just those that have died in action on the ground. http://prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/310707expert.html
Ask your congressman, during their August recess, to check this out because this has the ring of truth and would be typical for the Cheney/Bush White House crime syndicate ~ who will hide the truth at all costs. And now you know why the Pentagon does not allow filming of the caskets when they arrive at Dover air force base ~ they can't be counted.

Think 9/11, WMD's, Iraq, Pat Tillman, Katrina and now lowballing American combat deaths ~ it all fits their pattern of deception perfectly and must be delt with now !
We must settle no more for the perception of truth ~ but insist on the truth at all costs particularly when it comes to the deaths of American soldiers fighting George Bush's illegal and unjust war in Iraq .
Allen L Roland
http://blogs.salon.com/0002255/2007/08/07.html
Freelance columnist Allen L Roland is available for comments , interviews and speaking engagements ( allen@allenroland.com )
Another article said Bush will not allow the caskets to be filmed as it would reveal the true number of dead. Another Bush/Cheney outright lie to the public!!!!!!!!!!!!


 

Lauren Stone (586)
Monday August 13, 2007, 6:05 am
THANK YOU Charly. And let's also not forget the post war suicides that the government claims not to keep track of...
 

Blacktiger P. (247)
Monday August 13, 2007, 6:27 am
I find it to be absolutly rediculous that so many people right here on care2, exposed to the truth will not see it yet! What am I fighting for, as a Canadian, trying to bring the news and needs to the American public if they don't want to hear it???????????????????
 

xochi Y. (54)
Monday August 13, 2007, 6:51 am
Just as our ego, or who we THINK we are, is wired to survive, the U.S., when it sees itself as a separate entity, is likewise fixated on maintaining its superpower status and eliminating all threats and potential threats to its power. This has been true throughout most of its history, and it was especially true throughout the Cold War and after the demise of the Soviet Union. When he first became president through that very close and contentious election finally decided by that infamous Supreme Court ruling, Bush and his administration had no clear mandate, low poll numbers, and very little political clout, but they did have their neocon Cold War imperialistic agenda, and 9/11 gave them the excuse to put their plans for military domination of the world into effect. Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, as is--or should be--blatantly clear to everyone by now--but there were plans to topple Saddam Hussein well before 9/11, and the attacks (by Arab terrorists) on 9/11 gave Bush the excuse he needed (along with some trumped up "evidence" of bioweapons and images of mushroom clouds to really scare the American public) to attack and invade oil-rich Iraq. His priority wasn't Bin Laden or Al Qaeda; it was the rich Iraqi oil fields, and establishing a permanent military presence in the Mideast. Of course, having a TV-addicted, consumerist, fearful, gullible American public and sycophantic media such as FOXNews to channel the necessary government propaganda helped immensely as well. Yes, the U.S. has a political agenda, and it is more one of political, economic, and military domination than spreading "democracy" throughout the world. Anyone who knows something about democracy can see that even on domestic soil this administration has severely abused and weakened our democratic system of checks and balances, the rule of law, and tried to "govern" more like a monarch or dictator. Most Americans, I believe, after five years of military occupation of Iraq and countless deaths and unimaginable human suffering, are finally seeing through the propaganda and deceit this administration continues to generate, but an appalling 25 percent or so STILL choose to buy into the lies of the government, whether through ignorance or denial or just being irrevocably brainwashed by FOXNews; I don't know. It just boggles the mind....

Our brave troops are merely following orders, as is their job, but perhaps it is also their job as conscious, thinking human beings to reconsider their bosses' real agenda and reassess their loyalties. Some of the most patriotic soldiers and citizens, imho, are the ones who fight to protect the values upon which our country was founded, not the outrageous imperialistic ambitions of some petty dictator who weaseled his way into the white house. Sometimes dissent is truly the patriotic thing to do.
 

Beverly L. (72)
Monday August 13, 2007, 7:38 am
Interesting article Cate and I have the same questions you do. I guess it's a wait-and-see situation, but hopefully as the article said boosting the economy will boost security.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 13, 2007, 7:42 am
In any situation that demands attention -you have
1 people who look away incredulous
2 people who gawk - loving spectacle
3 people who realize something not only can be done- but should be done,and do it.- the upstream swimmer
We keep giving the Iraqis of the world democracy imitations-is that all we know?
Clothing? Clothing?? How do you eat clothing???
When did ignorance acquire dignity and righteousness?
 

One Love (130)
Monday August 13, 2007, 7:43 am
Dear Heather,

It was our own Military under Commandant Dick Cheney who attacked the World Trade Center on 9/11. Some people like yourself are not awake enough to realize this but much of the world already knows. Yes, Al Qaeda was involved, but they are just the pawn of the $1 Trillion a year Arms Industry, controlled by the CIA and OPEC.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Even if Saddam Hussein had ordered the attack, he was a dictator that controlled his people. He was not elected by the people for the people, so even for this worst case scenario, the Iraqi people would be slaughtered without cause.

The fact of the matter is, this war in Iraq is not meant to be won. It was designed to a) Steal the Oil from Iraq and give it to the Illuminati Oil Companies and b) Do a mass transfer of capital from American, British and Australian tax payers to the Military Industrial Complex and c) Create a genocide machine to irradiate as man y Muslims as possible.

Our troops our innocents. That is why One will volunteer to help these Americans. Of course the Iraqi people are going to fight back with bombs strapped to their bodies. They are being occupied by a ruthless foreign power that still after all the time we have been their, cannot even supply water to the capital, because they are so busy stealing the oil and killing people. This is the torch of democracy that we have brought them.

 

Sandy Mcdeane (2)
Monday August 13, 2007, 8:40 am
The US should NOT import anything from Iraq where we have lost so many of our young people. They do not support the US and we should not support them.
 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Monday August 13, 2007, 9:09 am
There is no such enemy as alqaeda. It was made up by the Cheney Bush Junta to give a reason to attack Iraq. If you say something over and over, and over, and even if it is a lie, it will become the truth, because people will believe the lie before they believe the truth. This has always been true. People lie every day and it is consiedered the truth because of the person who told the lie. Now that we know Cheney/Bush orchestrated 9/11 it is now time to hold them accountable for their murders of innocent American lives, and innocent lives in Iraq.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 13, 2007, 9:23 am
Thank you One Love and others who are trying to help those who are still in the dark !
Tell me Heather what would you do if the US invaded your country for no good reason ,,which is what Bush did ? Wouldn't you fight back ? Wouldn't you hate the occupiers of your country ?
When we all begin to see people of any race or religion as the same as ourselves in their basic desires and needs then maybe there will be no more wars !

About buying these clothes ,,I think this is not the answer to helping the Iraqi people to get back on their feet .We have no clue who are making these clothes and if they are doing it willingly ,,we also don't know how much of that $80 to $90 suit will actually get into the pocket of the person making them.
I think this is all a ploy to make the American people think the Iraqi people are doing well now because of our invasion,,which they are not as mentioned before they have no water and electric in many places.
No I will not buy into this one or the state tax free weekend we just had .
People we are headed for not only a revolution but a stock market crash and a depression the signs are all there .Bush has borrowed so much money to keep this war going and has raised the cost of oil and gas so high plus the cost of living that people are afraid to buy any big ticket items and justly so we can't afford it ,,if people don't buy then the markets fall ,,look at all the foreclosures all around the world .
Don't fall for the rosey picture Bush and his cronies are painting about Iraq ,free trade, the stock market or anything else .He f--ked up plain and simple,, greed got the better of him and his cronies and we are paying the price .Quit buying save your money and have a plan when the markets fall and I believe they will again even worse than they did on friday.
We haven't been told the truth by our country in years now and media is not worth watching unless you enjoy being lied to .We are in a bigger mess than most people realize !
Please ignore the miss spelled words :(
 

Pastor Tim Redfern (581)
Monday August 13, 2007, 9:26 am
Thanks, One Love, for getting to the heart of the matter. And as Cate would say, Please don't feed the trolls....especially one who comes equipped with the Fox-News-Channel version of history.
 

Freddie Kee (18)
Monday August 13, 2007, 9:28 am
As a non-American, I am very shocked to read all these things reported in the net about the US government.
My impression of US has.all along been that US is the most democratic government in the world.Americans anyway has been the most altruistic people in the world.
I envy all of you who are able to write in the internet what you think of your president.Where I live, such thing can never happen.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (464)
Monday August 13, 2007, 9:51 am
I don't know, this whole thing sounds ridiculous to me.
1] As stated in the article; where is the electicity for the factories going to come from? The US after 5 years of occupation can't supply electricity to Baghdad YET. Only a couple of hours a day, I hear.
2] The US Occupiers can't supply WATER to the Capitol, Baghdad -- a NECESSITY OF LIFE. Or, are the illegal Occupiers going to GIVE WATER ONLY TO THOSE WHO WORK FOR THEM? That is A VIOLATION of the Rules of the UN for Occupying powers.
3] Who is going to BUY those cheap, badly-made Iraqi clothes? Would YOU or anyone you know? Would an Iraq vet or their family? Unless, of course, they are MIS-LABELLED. "Made in China", maybe.

This sounds to me like some sort of a SCAM. Or wishful thinking at BEST.
It ALSO shows that THE US IS PLANNING TO STAY IN IRAQ FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. Regardless of what LIES the Bushies tell about "benchmarks" and "2008", etc. etc. etc. That is just trying to BUY TIME by confusing and delaying.
CUT OFF ALL FUNDING FOR THE WAR AND ILLEGAL OCCUPATION IMMEDIATELY!

The RIGHT thing to do, of course, would be for the US to GIVE THE IRAQIS REPARATIONS FOR ALL THE DAMAGE WE HAVE CAUSED; and let the IRAQIS employ their OWN people and decide how to spend the money. IT IS NOT FOR US TO DETERMINE THE IRAQI ECONOMY. They are not CHILDREN; and can do it perfectly well THEMSELVES.

Thinking about it, this seems to me some sort of a scheme to CONTROL THE IRAQI POPULATION EVEN MORE. Maybe the employees will be CLOSELY WATCHED and FIRED if a member of their family is an "insurgent". Maybe the employees will get FOOD AND WATER FOR THEIR FAMILIES, AND NOTHING ELSE -- SURVIVAL AS SLAVES, in other words -- and the US Army thinks it can "control" the insurgency that way.

THIS HAS GOT TO BE A SCAM. TO MAKE HALLIBURTON, KBR, BECHTEL, EVEN RICHER.
The US is importing TRAFFICKED SLAVES FROM ASIA; from the Philippines, Nepal, India, etc. -- TO DO CONSTRUCTION WORK. When Iraqis are of course SKILLED in construction work; but unemployed.

NOW THE US GOVT WANTS TO MAKE IRAQIS SWEATSHOP SLAVES IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
"Work for US; or, you and your family and children can STARVE {or die of THIRST!}"

I HOPE THE AMERICANS INSTITUTING THIS SCHEME OF SLAVERY FOR THE IRAQI POPULATION, GET BLOWN TO HELL BY THE INSURGENTS. I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY DO. I HOPE, I HOPE, I WISH.
 

Dave Kane (308)
Monday August 13, 2007, 10:30 am
No thanks! I'll not help to increase walmart's and sears' profits. Good idea in sheeps' clothing maybe. Let's buy Christmas presents and make believe everything's ok ; )
Sorry Cate, I vote no thanks : )
 

Mary H. (47)
Monday August 13, 2007, 10:38 am
Noted
 

Heather Spears (3)
Monday August 13, 2007, 11:01 am
To Everyone, I didnt mean to start a war on here, I think there is enough fighting in this world. I know who was behind 9/11, I know Bush took our money over to Iraq which could have been used in our own country. I know Bush is an evil man that is killing our TROOPS! Everyone is saying we are free, we're not free, The Bush Clan says what we can and cant do. Eventually there going to be able to come in our own homes and tell us what to do. As for Linda we have already been invaded but in a different way, cant you see that? Peace and God Bless Heather
 

Danielle Lorman (9)
Monday August 13, 2007, 11:29 am
Lauren, hugs, love and all my support to you as always! It angers me to no end too that some people STILL believe the lies especially since the lies were proven wrong BEFORE we invaded Iraq! No wonder Bush is still in office...when will america wake up????

As far as importing clothes from Iraq....give me a break...like others have said...this makes NO SENSE! They need water, power, we need to stop STEALING their oil....which as others have said and I will say again , Heather, is the ONLY reason we invaded Iraq..to steal their oil.

hmmm sweatshops for destroying their country, killing countless innocent people (and they were ALL innocent) starting a civil war that will last at the very least fifty years, 3 million citizens so far displaced from their country, almost no doctors and nurses left, we have stole all of their national treasures and their oil, raped and tortured them, commited countless war crimes....oh yeah letting them make us clothes seems like a fair trade off.

Bush is sush a humanitarian...this story makes me want to throw up.
 

Orlin Larsen (80)
Monday August 13, 2007, 12:25 pm
Mabe our influence should start on mabe a smaller scale, like a McDonals chain and KFC. These would surly open the doors for Coca Cola bottleing. We could build a wall around them, and have our own soldiers protect them from within , while the Iraqi government stumbles around in between visits to Iran. If it were to become a sucess amongst the death and dying, and a fledgeling government with no direction, or the competition with defense contractors which have top seniority, or the order of the insurgents who would murder the workers witin the establishments, for a big mac(but they would pay their tab after all) All of the torture, broken families, dying children, im sure they could use refreshment for hard times like these And our service men in uniform who die daily, or return home with disabilities that are forgotten before they get here....Then mabe we could soon dwell on the much needed clothing factories to supply our demand for our christian holidays. And Im sure they would be a tremendous bargain at Wal Mart. Yes this is just what the doctor ordered. They should have thought of this idea in the Phillipnes during WW2.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 13, 2007, 12:30 pm
NOTED!!
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 13, 2007, 12:40 pm
If every penny of it does not go to the Iraqi people, I say it should be stopped. We've played, exploited and manipulated them for our purposes from the beginning. And I'm sick or it.

What'll it be? "Desert Republic" brand instead of "Banana Republic"? Pix of Chalabi on t-shirts instead of Che Guevara?
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 13, 2007, 12:43 pm
I agree with you Lauren. Ten billion stars to you.
In April, my barely 21 year old nephew was one of two soldiers riding in back of an army vehicle. Both men (just boys to me) were rocketed into the air when the truck was bombed. The young man who was 19 sitting one foot from my nephew was blown to pieces before nephews eyes. The driver and passenger was killed. God was keeping his hands on my nephew that day as he only had his legs cut severely and was unable to walk for a month. He spent almost 2 months in an army hospital recovering and learning how to walk again. If he will gets out of Baghdad alive, he will have all these senseless deaths to live with him forever. He is now returned to battle. A sharp shooter in Baghdad, Iraq. For what? For Bushes lies. I say send Bush and all his buddies over there and send our families home ALIVE!!!!!!!! Thank you Cate for posting. Noted and forwarded.
 

serge vrabec (280)
Monday August 13, 2007, 12:47 pm
I'll buy a t-shirt too lauran, that was funny!!!
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"I BELIEVE that God wants me to be president." George W. Bush

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"I would like to thank Providence and the Almighty for choosing me of all people to be allowed to wage this battle for Germany," Hitler - Berlin March, 1936

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God is not on the side of any nation, yet we know He is on the side of justice. Our finest moments [as a nation] have come when we faithfully served the cause of justice for our own citizens, and for the people of other lands.: George W. Bush

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If we pursue this way, if we are decent, industrious, and honest, if we so loyally and truly fulfill our duty, then it is my conviction that in the future as in the past the Lord God will always help us: Adolf Hitler, at the Harvest Thanksgiving Festival on the Buckeburg held on 3 Oct. 1937

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"freedom and fear, justice and cruelty have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them." George W. Bush

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"Never in these long years have we offered any other prayer but this: Lord, grant to our people peace at home, and grant and preserve to them peace from the foreign foe!" : Hitler - Nuremberg Sept. 13, 1936.

THX CATE!!!
 

John Blalock (48)
Monday August 13, 2007, 1:17 pm
Noted!!! No!!!
 

Carolyn T. (234)
Monday August 13, 2007, 1:44 pm
Well, with war being waged everywhere else I should not be surprised at sniping in here. Disappointing that we cannot discuss the question without personalizing it. We've all had loved ones who have fought in one war or another and we can beat the tar out of one another and all it will do is divide US! US as in USA. The issue I showed up for was to discuss the article. Not only NO, BUT HELL NO! But not because it is Iraq making them or selling them--I won't wear them if they are free! I will not knowingly be manipulated by the wily White House...I am not buying the propaganda to accessorize the clothes.

We buy from sweatshop labor all the time! What do we think Korean workers, Vietnamese workers, Mexican workers get paid per hour? Iraq would be another name on the list. I try to "buy American" but it is increasingly hard to follow the complex subsidiaries.

Actually, I am shaking my head. " United we stand, divided we fall." At least, when we differ in our deep feelings let's keep on topic and be civil to one another. If we cannot do that in this tiny speck of space, what is the likelihood of our being successful once we leave here. If I sound distressed...I am. I will not be reading anything that follows my post, so feel to rip into me next--at least it will fall on deaf ears.

Off to join a nudist colony now.
 

Mary J. (29)
Monday August 13, 2007, 2:50 pm
The most hopeful part of this story is in a paragraph near the end: "There are also plans for $30 million in microloans to small businesses, agriculture and government welfare programs." This sounds like the most beneficial way to help them help themselves. I don't think that government run businesses are likely to benefit the workers.
 

Ali Hirst (286)
Monday August 13, 2007, 3:03 pm

Lauren Stone (385) Monday August 13, 2007, 4:40 am
Well, maybe they can make T-shirts that say FUCK BUSH in that beautiful Islamic script! I'll buy one.

LOL Thailand bet them too it. We have them here in Australia imported from Thailand by my daughter and her husband for her markets...and one with War Crimes on it as well...
 

Marian E. (152)
Monday August 13, 2007, 3:43 pm
Well it isn't an exclusive club is it. I'm the mother of a veteran also. He enlisted in 2000, because my father was career military. 6 years later, he came home. He is in college now, but he is a changed person and not for the better. I am with you again Lauren.

Thanks Cate. I know this wasn't meant to be a sounding board.
 

MaryAnn B. (80)
Monday August 13, 2007, 3:45 pm
You are so right Carolyn,
most of us or rather all of us know the lies that have been fed to the masses to brainwash us and convince us of those lies, but we as a people must come together and unite- not be nasty.
Peace and love is the answer,we are all sisters and brothers and we are awake ,some of us don't have or haven't had our eyes opened as long as others. And some are in a state of shock and disbelief but we are AWAKE!
We need to practise more tolerance and understanding for one another and offer gentle explantions for our words-not harsh criticism, or condemnation. We need to come together as a force and not surrender our power to the illumminnati or the puppetmasters because that is what they want from us - discord amongst each other.This will only add fuel to their flame.
And I for one am not giving them any more of my power!
 

MaryAnn B. (80)
Monday August 13, 2007, 4:01 pm
As for supporting sweatshop items I will not support any more of the lies!
and I understand that some of you have lost or have maimed friends and family members due to all the bull$&*t lies of the illuminati and are reeling from the pain and anguish. My heart goes out to all of you, I cannot imagine what you are enduring everyday because of the lies and I know you are very, very angry as you should be.
But please as a community let us not be angry with each other.
 

Lauren Stone (586)
Monday August 13, 2007, 6:16 pm
You guys ROCK!!!
Terry, Marian and all that have been personally touched (or punched) by this illegal war, my HEART and Healing prayers are with you! Please know that.
Heather, if I sounded severe, I apologize...not for WHAT I said, but for HOW I said it. I should not have focused on you PERSONALLY. If you didn't know the truth, then you just didn't know. When I read what you said it was a rub on my raw nerve. Please know that I am not a mean spirited person...quite the opposite.
I am FED UP to the screaming point. I am ASHAMED of my government, I am sick at what has been done to our country, to other countries in the name of 'freedom', when it was never about anyone's freedom at all. I am appaulled by the lies that have been used to justify the murder of our service people and innocent Iraqi's...CHILDREN.
By supporting the LIE, one supports the LIARS. I cannot abide by that.
 

Denice G. (45)
Monday August 13, 2007, 8:59 pm
"Ashamed of my government", very well said Lauren. We must have change, soon.
 

Malachi S. (6)
Monday August 13, 2007, 9:32 pm
It weouldn't be a bad idea if it benefitted the Iraqi people instead of American Corporations. I know I'm gonna be unpopular with my comment again, but you claim you wouldn't buy the clothing, but after the US steals their oil, you'll pay top dollar to use it.
So, what's it gonna be? You gonna use the oil greedily and drive your big fancy SUV's and other gas guzzling monsters or are you gonna say, "no, we won't use it and you can't make us".
Think about it for a minute, if you use the oil, but you won't buy the clothes, who are you helping.
Just my thought. Noted, thanks Cate
 

Ali Hirst (286)
Monday August 13, 2007, 9:43 pm
We are ashamed here in Australia that we have an IDIOT LIKE HOWARD in Power pandering to BUSH and sending troops to Iraq and everywhere else that Bush has asked Troops to go and help. I am sorry but the buck does not stop with BUSH...He is a War Criminal..yes but so is every other Head of Country who has pandered to Bushs' lies about the War of Terror, or Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq...Ha the only Terror and Weapons of Mass Destruction are in the White House itself. So many innocent people have lost loved ones, or had their loved ones come home a totally destroyed soul from Iraq,and Desert Storm. Lets face it we were all led up the garden path by Bush after 9/11 no matter which country you belong to. 9/11 was an inside job and my local Post Box at the end of my street here in Australia even has a sticker stuck on saying the very same thing....Howard our PM over here is discussing bringing our Troops home if "Iraq doesn't sort their Government out soon". Well how can Iraq sort their Governmnent out when Bush and Co are still running the show. And the only reason Howard has said this is because he is up for election in a couple of months and he now realises that WE ALL KNOW THAT WAR IS A NO WIN WAR AND ALWAYS WAS. Lauren I know what you have been through with this senseless war and what it has done to your son. The same as a lot here on Care2 who have their Husbands, Wives, Sons, Daughters gone over to Iraq...if they have been lucky enough for them to come home....they are still War Vets and this will turn out to be worse than Vietnam..... Shame on all of our Governments for getting into this senseless war over Bush's Father's unfinished business in Iraq...OIL ..OIL..and more OIL...and if the US think they are paying big money for their Gas have a look at what Australia is paying per Litre...up to $1.30 at present and that is an all time low for the last 10 months...before it was even higher.
 

Ken S. (38)
Monday August 13, 2007, 11:31 pm
Greetings all, I hear words of truth from the grass roots...in the US, and it is slowly finding its way to all corners of the globe...and even to our own city Bribane, good on you Helen.(fuel at $A1.30 here =$A5.26 per US gallon)for comparison....and most of the fuel is our own, that overseas countries own and control.
Apart from the damage being caused in the Middle East, the men and women in the Military, and their families, pay a high price for this political folley.Their physical and phychological health will always be compromised.I happen to have had the misfortune to have served in South Vietnam, and this conflict is much worse than I experienced.Governments forget the sacrifices that the cream of their people make with their health, whilst serving their country.Using depleted uranium and mycoplasma in warfare is so damn stupid.We need more thinking caring people in the US to vote out these criminals.....When you think about our situation...History will not forgive them...it is almost beyound compehension...how could any sane rational person cause such devestation, so much misery,for the almighty dollar, and power...
 

Blacktiger P. (247)
Monday August 13, 2007, 11:40 pm
Now that Bush has lost his brain, maybe the replacement will show a bit more intelligence than the one in residence. Let us all hope that the leaders of the Military [Admirals, Generals, etc] could now start quietly bringing the troops home and leave the Iraqi's to try and get back to their lives, whatever that might be,Peace or Civil war.
 

Melissa J B. (12)
Tuesday August 14, 2007, 6:24 am
I have a lot of mixed feelings about this. For instance, we are the ones who devistated their economy by overthrowing their leader for selfish means, so by that turn we are obligated to fix what we have ruined. On the other hand, can we be VERY certain that the factory conditions that these clothes are made in are acceptable? Can we be VERY sure that the materials used will meet our very high standards. Afterall we are having issues with China using lead based paint recently.

This MIGHT be an excellent way to give them the money to rebuild themselves so that we don't have to keep draining ourselves and our forces trying to keep them afloat. On the other hand, it would be exceptionally hard to believe that their factories would be little more than sweatshops. Oh, what to do? :(
 

Elle J. (276)
Tuesday August 14, 2007, 8:40 am
Noted! And some pretty amazing things got put out in the open. Thanks One Love, Cate & Lauren. This is only the tip of the iceberg. I am still trying to absorb the video that Cate provided us with last week. I hope everyone watched it in its entirety. What an eye opener! Right now I am not sure which end is up.
 

Phyllis P. (389)
Tuesday August 14, 2007, 12:13 pm
Lauren..loved your F-- Bush comment!!! Along the same lines...I saw a story about how all the clothes us Americans donate to places like goodwill and salvation army, are in turn sent to foreign countries..where they sell them on the open market. So is our donations going to the needy...in a way yes, in a way no....it's a catch 22..damned if you do or damned if you don't. I would rather adopt a family through a church..because and this is just for me..I like seeing where my donations go...because I want to know I really helped.
 

Linda D. (41)
Tuesday August 14, 2007, 1:00 pm
This is a very positive move to put people to work so they have money to support themselves and their families. A strong economy is the best defense against Al Qaeda's efforts to control and demoralize the Iraqi people. How can anyone possibly be critical of people having jobs and feeling productive? The goal is private business, but state owned factories is what is feasible for right now.

". . .Mr. Brinkley insisted that privatization remained the ultimate goal, but said urgent revitalization of the economy was a crucial part of the counterinsurgency plan of Gen. David H. Petraeus, the commander of American forces in Iraq."
 

O O O. (139)
Tuesday August 14, 2007, 1:37 pm
Be kind to the Earth,why use mass power,even when one can get it,go back to useing foot,then water/wind poewred looms. Yes one can keep up with the demand,by opening more factories-kind to Earth ones. Buy thier materials-any of them-during war time,regardless of the lack of a quaility war-no,no buying. plus,in this war,that would mean we would then pay for both sides,bomb then build& dureing actual war time,which is tresonest,regardless of ones personal war belif,it would give huge incentive for us to stay forever. Someone noted,do they pay them going rate-be careful here,as one needs pay them that rate based on THEIR location,not ours,or one will then mess up more than just their economy. Want to pay for their economies too?! O. (Thank you Cat2.)
 

Kari D. (192)
Tuesday August 14, 2007, 2:21 pm
We do need to help them out, but with everything that is happening with China, I'de be leery to purchase anything from that part of the world.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 14, 2007, 3:19 pm
Sorry my comments before did not keep to what the story is about. I am just disgusted. How can our "leader?" continue to let innocent lives be taken for no reason and think he is doing a good thing for the people. This "man?" is a cold heartless worthless excuse for a human being and he is running our country?
He keeps throwing coals in the fire to continue burning down our world.
As far as the Iraqi's making and selling clothes. I'm not sure. I have mixed feelings. Yes, we owe them help. We went into their country and took so much from them because the Dubya is a boldface liar. Somehow in his tiny little mind he thinks he is bringing goodness to all. I guess it's too hard to see the light when his head is up his own butt. The best way we can help the Iraqi's now would be to get out of their county and leave them alone. We can not fix what we have taken from them, same as Bush can not fix all the damage he has done. Our country is so messed up it will take years to repair if it can be. This idiot has entirely screwed us. The only hope we got is to get him far from office and bring in someone with the slightest bit of intelligence to try an fix what the Dubya ruined. But no matter what, the innocent lives lost U.S. and otherwise, can never be replaced. We will continue to pay for Dubya's lies. Our freedom is being stolen from us more and more each second this incompetent fool is leading our country.
Well I didn't stick to the story again. Sorry Cate, *closing my mouth now*
 

Wolfweeps Pommawolf (251)
Tuesday August 14, 2007, 7:14 pm
note. An do absolutley not. So wrong on many levels.
 

Brenda H. (29)
Tuesday August 14, 2007, 7:48 pm
THANK YOU CATE & DITTO LAUREN'S COMMENT!
 

Tsandi Crew (95)
Friday August 17, 2007, 6:57 am
You know, we have companies like Imed and Ford, software companies etc that send work over seas and then we complain that illegal immigrants come here to do work we won't do like pick cabbages and spinach, and then we go to war and disrupt a country for its oil and it wants to sell its products here, and it all such a wrong scenario that it makes it hard for me to see anything right at all with it. Where do we draw a line with individuals?
 

Frederick Hammacott (0)
Friday August 17, 2007, 5:14 pm
If what I have been reading is basically true then I am ashamed to associate myself with
and believe in such a corrupt corporate and SICK DEMOCRATIC government that now
controls and manipulates a constitution so previously we all held as a great leader throughout
the world. What happened to G I JOE and his times? WHAT A SAD TIME FOR AMERICA this is.
Please come back to sanity and truth.
 

Rose Gladson (22)
Friday August 17, 2007, 5:42 pm
I am really upset with our government...I have lost all faith in it.. we are losing jobs to the countries over seas, now they want to import clothing from Iraqi. From a country that screams death to Americans all the time, but want to come to America for free hand outs! When is this going to stop? I am so feed up with how the Illuminati is also sticking their nose into our government, the people of the United States should have a voice in what happens, but in realality they do not. We need help here at home, there is the homeless, we have poverty, and what is our president doing? Wanting to make a name for himself with this unspeakable war in Iraqi. He does not care about the americans and time after time he has shown it. There are people right here in the United States that have worked very hard every day of their lives, paid into Social Security and Medicare and pay into the insurance programs that their jobs have for them. They become ill and the Doctor refuses to let them go back to work until they are healed, in the mean time they go through the sick leave and vaction pay and still not able to go back and they lose everything! Medical insurance, a pay check, a job, and when they go to seek help at Health and welfare they are turned down, go to Social Security and they are turned down! Why should it be so hard for the hard working American to get this help when they have paid into it all their lives? But if you are an immagrant, even illeagle, they get all the help they want. So, I would like to see less help and suport for the forgien countries and more help and support for the Citizens of United States. It is time for the Citizens of United States to take back control and give less control to the President who is in the habbit of making unwise choices. There is more going on than just the fact that the Iraqi's are wanting to sell us their clothing or products, we need to stop helping other contries that always have a hand out and call us dogs and are so ungrateful, and take care of our own people.. The leaders of these countries should take care of their own people, is it our fault and doing that they could care less about their own people? NO! It is time that we the Americans, take back our country!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 18, 2007, 9:31 am
Would you rather buy T shirts from Burma then? Most Iraqis are simply trying to survive, work is the only way they can do that. As for the rest, whilst I am reasonably sure they want the US troops out, I dont suppose many of them want Saddam's cronies to come back or to be ruled by the fanatics and clerics.....so who can guarantee their security, thats the $64,000 Billion dollar question, isnt it?
 

Elizabeth Irving-Waddleton (4)
Saturday August 18, 2007, 12:16 pm
As regards the article, Iraq didn't have sweat shops before, why should they now? Before the war, Iraquis had a high standard of living.
As to state-run factories, what's wrong with that? Don't millions of Americans work for the U.S. government as civil servants, FBI agents, senators, soldiers etc. etc. These are all state-run jobs.
I really take issue with the U.S. officer's comment about the possible 'waste of electricity' if these factories operate. This is extremely ironic since the U.S. Commander-in-Chief promised that utilities like water and electricity would be rebuilt six months after the war started.
My conclusion: Help the Iraquis help themselves. The clothing factories and micro-loans do just this.
***** I have an extreme visceral reaction to what Heather initially wrote. Although the Iraquis are the actual killers of U.S. soldiers, the U.S. government is responsible for each and every American death over there.
Manipulating citizens by using a man of integrity--Colin Powell--at the U.N. to justify to a war wasn't just wrong, it caused blood-letting. There were NO weapons of mass destruction. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11.
Lauren, I really feel for you... . Losing someone must be so heart-breaking.
I find it strange, however, that no-one mentioned the over $250,000 Iraquis who've died, most of them civilians. It's true we must mourn our own dead and wounded, but why are American lives valued so much more than all the other victims' lives? Every loss of human life should be noted, cried for, remembered.
Heather, you said we should have just "bombed the hell" out of them in the beginning. ( I think your rationale is that less U.S. service people would be dead now?) How can you write about your personal desire for "peace" at the same time that you insist something so bloodthirsty is right.
This is a senseless war. The only way to be patriotic and protect U.S. troops is to stop the war and bring our soldiers home.
 

Lauren Stone (586)
Saturday August 18, 2007, 10:15 pm
Just to clarify, my son is now 25, an honorably discharged Marine vet. He is alive, but not well. He has permanent injuries and is now fighting the military for his benefits!
As far as the Iraqi's rebuilding, I feel strongly that we as a nation have a responsibility to help them. Micro-loans, especially for women is a great idea...small businesses that add to the community...not so much factories and certainly not sweatshoppes.
 

Wolfweeps Pommawolf (251)
Monday August 20, 2007, 7:20 pm
People are blaming the wrong people. Immigrants come here for an honest life. The jobs they get are those postisions no one wants because there are no benefits because the companies have no desire to offer nor pay for them. So much misinformation. Corporate greed has driven them to cut jobs here to make their product over seas so they don't have to provide benefits to anyone. Just slave labor. Not like here when the companies pass the blame onto the immigrants who take the jobs. The companies don't pay the S.S., Unemployment Benies of the immigrant population because they don't have to. No claim...no taxes on their part. THEY DON'T WANT TO! THEY WANT THE MONEY FOR THE UPPER MANAGEMENT WAGES AN CORPORATE GREED.
This is just another snow job by our government passing the buck as always onto the immigrant population. It is bullpucky.
Only 3% of the federal buget goes to Welfare. Thats 3% thats not going to the WAR EFFORT. And who is taking advantage of this wonderful welfare program? It's not the immigrant populace. It's the white population. Here are your tax dollars at work. Baffling the people of the U.S. with Bull pucky....and being sheep and blaming those just trying to have a better future.
And now they want to pile the grief onto the American people to help those who live in a war torn country. Not to benefit the Iraqi's. It's to benefit our government and corporate greed here.
It will not help them, and it will surely do harm for us and them.
Again...here is your government representing the American people...and for what? To screw both countries for themselves.
 
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