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The Supremes: Ruling on How to Kill


Society & Culture  (tags: death penalty, lethal injection, Supreme Court, cruel and unusual punishment )

RC
- 2607 days ago - nytimes.com
NY Times article examines a controversial issue facing the Supreme Court: the issue of how to kill convicted criminals.



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RC deWinter (418)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 7:21 am
I know this will set off a furious debate, but I am ANT-DEATH PENALTY altogether. I do not believe that the "state" has a right to kill. Life imprisonment/forensic hospitalization for those convicted of heinous crimes is the only acceptable punishment in my view. Unfortunately for anti-death penalty advocates, the question facing the court's ruling is not IF to kill, but how.
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 7:39 am
This would be extremely simple if they adopted the Chinese method of taking them right from the court room out back and used one bullet within a few hours of the verdict and then billed the relatives for the bullet. Its quick, efficient and extremely humane in that its over before the condemned knows that it even started.
 

Dolores H. (2)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 8:10 am
Florida has ruled this method of lethal injection humane! *Sigh*. I too Cate am against the death penalty. It has not proven to be a deterrent as most think. It's a barbarian practice as far as I'm concerned.
 

Pamela R. (159)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 8:14 am
Although I am basically a peaceful person, if someone maliciously and with intent killed someone and there
is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that the person committed the crime, then.... I'm all for the death penalty. If incarceration weren't quite so "cushy", television, 3 square meals, entertainment, etc., I would say a lifetime
of jail, serving our communities through work, versus the death penalty.
 

. (0)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 8:15 am
Noted with the belief that places the consequences of one's actions directly on the individual. Take a life knowing full well what the penalty will be is the sole responsibility of that person. I must say that I am tired of having to pay to support rapists and murderers..providing them with educations that I cannot afford for myself, medical care that again I cannot afford for myself, etc and deal with felons let out early because of overcrowding which makes neighborhoods unsafe to live in. I do however respect the right of everyone to have their own viewpoints and opinions about such a passionate issue so you will not have me debating this issue with you Cate, furious or otherwise. Thanks for the article, my friend.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 8:29 am
Thanks Cate..K
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 8:47 am
If jail or prison were meant to simply meant to be a deterrent our jails wouldn't be overcrowded with petty thieves, arsonists, white collar criminals or any other criminals. Sentences are handed down as PUNISHMENT for the individual crimes and most people think about such punishments in their daily life's or the entire population would probably be in prison. Some people just don't care or they are under the assumption that they will get away with their crime and some do. Others are truly innocent of the crimes they are accused of committing and i truly am sorry with their plights. For me the death penalty isn't for deterrence it is punishment for ones own actions, people will always KILL whether due to personal reasons or because they do not have any value for a human or animals right to live. Prison will not change these people nor will killing them bring back someones loved ones they did what they did and nothing will change that. That they will suffer during their own deaths should only be fitting to the deaths that they caused at their own hands.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 8:53 am
Pamela, I have seen some of our Connecticut prisons from the inside. Believe me, when I was at Cheshire, which is a level 4 prison (the only level higher is Northern CI, which is a 23-hour-a-day lockdown site for incorrigibles and felony murderers, etc.), I was deliberately locked in one of the cells. It was so small, so cramped, with a urinak in one corner, 2 bunks with "mattresses" that looked to be about 2" thick and placed on top of metal shelving, one very small window to the outside, high up and that looked out on barbed wire, and an even smaller window in the VERY THICK steel door...that there is no way I can believe that any other state has prisons for people with life or very long sentences that are "cushy." I know that Northern CI is even more spartan, with most cells being single occupancy, where inmates are allowed outside for 1 hour per day alone in a small fenced and wired cage, with meals passed through a slot in the door. Supermaxes are even worse. Prisons for murderers and other violent criminals are NOT pleasant places to spend the rest of your life.
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 9:01 am
And yet these prisons for convicted murderers cost the tax payers 100S of thousands of dollars each year for EACH one of these criminals. It costs millions to house DEATH ROW inmates for the 20-30 years before they are actually put to death if they ever are.
 

Tsandi Crew (95)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 9:22 am
When I saw this story on MSNBC it was accompanied by statistics about how many prisoners on death row were recently found innocent. I had the idea that was the reason for stopping the delivery of the sentences. This story was given as a small part of the whole story.

I can't say I want to know more, but I can say I want it all straightened out....I want innocent people to be freed, and I want our government to work right......we have tools that can be used to make sure we have the right people. I want the good guys on the street, I want the bad guys and ONLY the bad guys in prison.

If it hurts them to die....if they are the bad guys,,,,,think about the pain they caused the people they killed!
 

Timothy Brown (1)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 9:30 am
There is no practical justification for the death penalty and many moral arguments against its use. I am ashamed that the U.S. still has this barbaric act in place. Please ban the death penalty.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 9:34 am
And it costs even more to kill them, Kevin. See the following:

Costs of the Death Penalty

What Politicians Don't Say About the HBigh Cost of the Death Penalty

Death Penalty Costs

The Death Penalty Costs More
 

RC deWinter (418)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 9:34 am
And it costs even more to kill them, Kevin. See the following:

Costs of the Death Penalty

What Politicians Don't Say About the HBigh Cost of the Death Penalty

Death Penalty Costs

The Death Penalty Costs More
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 10:13 am
Cate that's why i am all in favor of the Chinese method of wasting no time in caring out sentences once they have been handed down. The Supreme Court should have one look at the verdict and if upheld take them out back and carry out the sentence. The costs come in the form of appeal after appeal usually with the same out come. Leave to the Supreme Court and then finish it. One bullet and then its over with and the costs go down to nearly zero.
 

MEL ISSA (3)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 10:50 am
I've recently had a change of heart about the death penalty...AGAINST.
Although, I would allow criminals of war crimes (once they're impeached and arrested) to be hung by the neck until the last gasp. The death of 1,099,372 innocent men, women & children, not to mention the US soldiers...should not be taken lightly. I think all of Congress should be imprisoned for complicities. ALL of them!
 

serge vrabec (280)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 11:37 am
The prison system is a huge money-maker, if they shot them like in china a few hours after sentencing there would be no money made. and death-penalty prisoners make even more money for that state. Its a racket like most other bus. here in the good ole US of A. The death penalty exists and is carried out in that manner to make maximum dollars for a Justice system that could care less about "Justice".

"The Meek shall inherit the Earth"- Anonymous

A bullet in the head is justice, life in prison is torture! Thx Cate!
 

Suzanne S. (1)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 12:30 pm
As an American living in Europe, I continue to be shocked and outraged at the bloodlust of Americans for the death penalty. Even here on Care, so many people just want to "kill the bad guys." I mean, just look at a few of the comments which have just been made on this story:

--"If it hurts them to die....if they are the bad guys,,,,,think about the pain they caused the people they killed!"

-- "This would be extremely simple if they adopted the Chinese method of taking them right from the court room out back and used one bullet within a few hours of the verdict..."

This "eye for an eye" belief is so primitive and barbaric I hardly have words for it. The US has more murders than any other Western country, despite the reintroduction of the death penalty more than 30 years ago. The threat of death hasn't stopped murder, and it certainly hasn't restored the lives of victims of crime. It simply perpetuates a cycle of violence. But how do you explain that to those who think that justice is the same as retribution????

I am grateful I no longer live in such a violent country. It really sickens me.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 1:26 pm
Suzanne, I understand what you are saying completely. The American mindset and culture glorify vengeance killing as if we were still cave people.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 1:26 pm
Suzanne, I understand what you are saying completely. The American mindset and culture glorify vengeance killing as if we were still cave people.
 

Kari D. (192)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 1:33 pm
I agree with Kevin. . It seems sennceless to me to put someone on Death Row for the next 30 -40 years, costing taxpayers thousands of $$$ to keep them. I would offer a comprimise of no more then 5 years before being put to death.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 1:54 pm
Your absolutely right Suzanne a great deal of American's are very blood thirsty !

We are suppose to be a civil society yet we think that the death penalty is the appropriate method of dealing with criminals .What is civil about that ? Why are we so blood thirsty ? Why do we feel this terrible need for revenge ? What good does it do ? Does it make us feel better to see a person killed if he killed someone else ? When did two wrongs make a right ?What kind of example do we set for our children ?
We would not have so many wars if people didn't have this horrible need for revenge .
Someone flew planes into the twin towers,,Lets go bomb Iraq and Afganistan,,heck someone has to pay for it with their blood .
What ever happened to finding out first who did it then seeking to arrest that person and incarcerate them.
Some of these people are put in jail for murders they didn't even commit because they didn't have the money for the high profile lawyers to get them off like O.J.Simpson did.
Even those who were guilty sometimes by the time the execution is carried out they are changed people .

What message do we send our children when we seek revenge in this way ? Its not alright to kill unless your the government then its fine ?
Please can't we start behaving more like human's than blood thirsty animals.
Sorry if I offended anyone but this is insanity.
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 2:12 pm
i an anti death penalty as well......... no government should take anyones life
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 2:12 pm
i an anti death penalty as well......... no government should take anyones life
 

Denice G. (45)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 5:29 pm
I do not believe in the death penalty. My daughter was murdered 20 years ago, the murder has not been caught. You would think I would want the death penalty. I can not accept that this is a just punishment. We do not have the right to take another persons life. it is murder legalized by the courts. It makes us no better than the murder. Life in a horrible prison with no cushy benefits and a lot of time to think about his/her life and the horrible things he/she has done would work for me. I have had twenty years to think about this and I still can't justify the death penalty. What if the person the courts just murdered was innocent?? You just can't say oops. We need to act like the civilized people we are supposed to be. Noted.
I get kind of wound up on this subject, sorry.
 

Phyllis P. (389)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 6:14 pm
I used to be pro-capital punishment years ago. Then I got a higher power in my life, and I realized that no one has the right to take some one else's life. So now I advocate for rehabilitation, treatment, counseling, whatever it takes to make someone well and hopefully find their way. Many prisoners have sincerely changed their lives and touched other peoples lives that they were incarcerated with. That is what it is about, showing someone the way. I was glad to read about this in the paper..and I hope it sticks!! Beside, capital punishment OBVIOUSLY DO NOT DETER CRIME. Thanks Cate
 

Darlene K. (361)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 7:27 pm
Good Links Cate. I did a paper on this in college, back in those tiger days of mine, heh. You are absolutely, correct, it cost more to kill them, as freaky as that sounds, and it isn't detering anything with prison crowding problems in counties, all over the nation. I have been always against the death penalty for spiritual reasons, but, I agree with you 100%. If people would do the research, they wouldn't be able to deny the facts.
 

Mara G. (411)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 10:44 pm
I've always felt that the death penalty was lowering ourselves down to the level of murderers. Is our so-called JUSTICE system so "perfect" that we can kill someone and feel good about it? Our JUSTICE system stinks and we all know it, SO how can we justify killing someone? It should be abolished!! Its an ancient leftover from the dark ages, like so many of our other inhuman ways. Thanks Cate, noted.
 

Bobbie W. (113)
Sunday November 4, 2007, 11:03 pm
Noted.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday November 5, 2007, 12:12 am
THE DEATH PENALTY HAS PROVED IT IS NO DETERRANT AND LOOK HOW MANY TIMES THEY HAVE FOUND INNOCENT PEOPLE ABOUT TO DIE AND DNA RELEASED THEM .WE HAVE KILLED HUNDREDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. THE WAY THE LETHAL INJECTION IS NORT STANDARDIZED IN ALLSTATES SHOWS HOW WE HAD A MAN PUT TO DEATH IN TEXAS THI YEAR AAND THEY HAD TO DO IT 2 TIMES AS IT DIDN'TWORK RIGHT. I AM AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY EXCEPT IN RARE RARE CASES LIKE THE CANNIBALS AND ONES WHO TORTURED LITTLE 3 YR OLD GIRS AND RAPED THEM AFTER DEATH AND TORE THEIR INSIDE UP. THEY HAVE PROVED THOSE PEOPLE CANNOT BE CURED AND WHY SPEND MONEY KEEPING THEM ALIVE FOR LORD KNOW HOW LONG AT OUR EXPENSE. I GUESS WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS IF SOME ONE RAPED AND BEAT TO DEATH MY 78 YR OLD MOTHER , AND CHOPPED HER UP LIKE A DAHMLER TYPE i WANT HIS LIFE AS HE IS NOT FIT TO LIVE. NOW ON THE OTHER HAND THE 99% OF DEATH PENALTIES THEY HAND OUT AND I AM IN TEXAS SO I AM WELL AWARE OF HOW MANY WE KILL I WOULD PUT A HALT TO THEM AND ESP. THE ONES WITH LOW IQ'SOR SLOW OR MENTALLY RETARDED. CHRIS CPR 53 I MIGHT ADD I WAS DOWN THERE AND WORKED ON AND IN DEATH ROW SO I KNOW SOME ARE NEVER GOING TO SEE THEY DID WRONG AND CONTINUE LYING ABOUT IT .WHEN WORKING PAINTING OR REMODELING DOWN THERE I LISTENED TO MANY OF THEM BRAG ABOUT THE MURDERS THEY DON'T CARE THEY KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO DIE SO THEY SAY ANYTHING. THIS IS A PLACE FOR OPINIONS I WOULD BE TOTALLY AGAINST IT EXCEPT IN THE RSARE CASES I EXPLAINED CHRIS CPR53
 

Past Member (0)
Monday November 5, 2007, 12:36 am
iI WANT TO ADD A FEW MORE LINES .IN TEXAS THERE IS NO PLUSH CONDITIONS I DON'T KNOW WHERE PEOPLE GET THAT. WE ARE REQUIRED TO WORK DAILY FOR NO PAY LIKE THE FEDS GET AND THE FOOD WAS SO BAD ALL OF US BROKE OUT FROM EATING A MEAT SUSTITUTE FROM SOY AND FULL OF SILICONE DIOXIDE. IT WAS CALLED VITA PRO AND THE RULES WERE NOT TO BE USED MORE THAN 1 MEAL A DAY WELL THEY WERE GIVING IT TO US 2 TIMES A DAY. TYHE DIRECTOR OF TEXAS PRISONS WAS ARRESTED FOR TAKING KICKBACKS FROM THE VITA PRO COMPANY OUT OF CANADA AND WAS ALSO ON THEIR PAYROLL AT 100000$ AS AN ADVISOR A YR PLUS HIS PRISON SALARY. HE WAS INDICTED AND THE COMPANY FOR FRAUD AND THEY HAVE SINCE NOT FOUND HIM THIS HAPPENED A FEW YEARS AGO .iI SPOKE AT THE TEXAS BOARD OF PRISONS AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE JUST BEFORE HE WAS ARRESTED AND I BROUGHT UP THE SUBJECT TO THE STATE BOARD. tHE BIG SHOTS. tHE NEXT DAY gOV. gEORGE bUSH HAD HIS OWN GOVERNORS SECRET POLICE OUT AT MY MOTHERS HOME AND TRYING TO FIND MY ADDRESS AS I HAD A GOOD PAROLE OFFICER WHO WOULDN'T TELL THEM AS IT WAS HER IDEA AS ME THE HEAD OF FAMILY SUPPORT TO GO SPEAK SO SHE WOULD AND DID DENY MY ADDRESS. THEY SCARED THE HELL OUT OF MY MOTHER WITH THE GUNS AND BARGING IN TEARING UP HER HOUSE AND TOLD HER "GOV BUSH SENDS A MESSAGE TO YOU SON." "KEEP HIS MOTUH SHUT OR YOU WON'T FING HIM NOR WILL HE BE ABSOLVED FROM CHARGES WE MAY FILE .THEY TOLD MY P.O. I WAS GOING TO BE SENT BACK EVEN THOUGH MY SENTENCE WAS SERVED IN FULL.SO I ASSUME NOW THAT YOU CAN FIGURE I WAS INCARCERATED IN TEXAS 3 TIMES FOR THE SAME CRIME THEY LET YOU OUT ON PAROLE AND WHEN YOU LEAVE THE GATE THEY SAY "SEE YOU BACK SOON AND THEY AREN'T LYING. ITS BIG BUSINESS IN TEXAS TOHAVE OVER 175,000 SLAVES AT YOU BECK AND CALL FREE LABOR . AND WE TALK ABOUT CHINA.I WISH THE MAN WHO SAYS WE LIVED PLUSH STAYED 1 SUMMER NIGHT WITH ME OR WINTER .WE HAD NO HEATING AND NO AC AND ISSUED ONLY 2 THIN OLD ARMY BLANKTS AND A HEMP SHEET. I SLEPT WITH ALL MY WORK CLOTHES AND SHOES ON. THER WAS A TELEVISION THEY PUT ON IN THE EVENING 2-3 HOURS. I WAS ALWAYS OUT SIDE WALKING 5-7 MILES A DAY TO STAY IN SHAPE. WE WERE FED A STARVATION DIET AND LUCKY IF YOUHAD $ TO MAKE A LITTLE TACO OR TUNA SANDWICH FROM OUT STOR THERE. WE HAD TO USE THE 8 TOILETS IN A ROW WITH NEVER ANY PRIVACY AND THAT GETS REAL OLD AFTER A YEAR OR TWO. AND I SAW ENOUGH NAKED MEN THEY RAN US IN THE SHOWERS FOR 4 MINUTES GET IN AND OUT.i DONT CARE IDF I EVER SEE A NAKED MALE ANTOMY AGAIN. THIS IS THE REAL WAY IT IS AND STILL WAS IN TEXAS. C PRYAN CPR53
 

Michael Sandstrom (306)
Monday November 5, 2007, 1:38 am
WWJD?
 

Suzanne S. (1)
Monday November 5, 2007, 1:44 am
Denise, I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your daughter. What a terrible, terrible tragedy. I am inspired that--after suffering such devastation-- you are not calling for the death penalty. I have always thought putting people to death to be barbaric, but I have never been faced with the horrible situation you are in. To be able to hold on to your principles like you have is an amazing thing. You are a remarkable woman and I salute you. You do credit to your daughter's memory and provide a shining example to others.

You have learned that revenge and retribution are not the same as justice.

Nothing will bring your lovely daughter back, and I mourn her loss with you. And I applaud your courageous remarks here.

To everyone else out there, we must learn to see that violence begets violence. We must ask ourselves WHY so many people are killing. Until we answer the fundamental questions of violence in this country, mothers like Denise will continue to lose their precious children. The death penalty will never solve this problem for us.
 

Gail L. (30)
Monday November 5, 2007, 3:19 am
Noted
 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Monday November 5, 2007, 3:43 am
I am against the death penalty. An eye for an eye just doesn't cut anymore. But if a state has the death penalty statute, then they should adopt the single drug method as used by Vets, to put down and animal. It is more humane believe me, and the animal doesn't suffer.

Noted, thanks Cate
 

Cheryl Benson (390)
Monday November 5, 2007, 7:44 am
with Stephen on this one, Vets give one to relax them then one to stop the heart I think for the last one.
 

O O O. (139)
Monday November 5, 2007, 4:54 pm
Criminals are NOT "civil".they are not by defintion,part of "us". We should not have to pay for them.
System though,is in fact broken& yes,they do make all kinds of money in all kinds of ways from it,which needs to stop,as almost noe comes to the tax payer.
Lilling a murder is NOT murder itself& there is a right of self defence,& the carrying out of a well knowen sentance for a set crime is nothing wrong.
Killing by the "state",not nessaraly the go choice,as it gives state incive for it that is not of correct type.
If actualy proven,the servivior should get the "honors." Not that it ever is any honor,which is beside the point.
While i am not exactly for this penalty,there is a point to be made& this is estamblished as proper for this crime& for murder,it may well be. Like it or not,something does need to be doen as an ultamte penatly& that does not make such system "blood thristy",it simply is something needed for some,to be done.
Hanging for those who do not know it,is death by strangulation-always. When neck is not broken,victium strrgles,as they can not if their neck is broken,but die in same agony. Humane? I do not know,but again,was the perpatrator humane to it's victum?
Vilence only begets,when one is alive & free to so do& for others,either the speed at sentanceing is a joke,as it is,but most do not think of either the sentance or of ever being caught,much less convicted,so yes,from that standpoint,it is of no use,but that is not the entire point of this anyway,as part is restution.
Sad,but true,for some,jail is not the answer either. Not doing againest this,is supporting it& also leaveing them free to make more victiums-which also makes those in such position acomplaces of the next crime these do,or they would not be there to do it. There simply is no good or easy answer to this.
Side taken-Toss up.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday November 5, 2007, 8:33 pm
I have seen more than a few care2 memebers wish death on child molestors especially after reading stories of what those kind of evil people do to children....
Do you guys think puting child molestors who murder their victim after victim, to death a bad idea also?

 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 6, 2007, 3:47 am
Even though the death penalty is a convenient way to dispose of the garbage of this country doesn't make it right. I feel that if the criminal be behind bars for longer periods, that they have to live with what they have done and hopefully gain remorse. I realize that there is always the times that they are eventually released, but society needs to live with that, it's society that needs to be more carefull when they are let loose, watch and monitor their children closer so that their children remain safe. I realize that people who have been harmed or threatened with their lives have a lifetime of nightmares to live with, but they still need to realize that the piece of crap that is being released are human beings.
If the case is rape related, then maybe those could be enlisted in the armed services for taking their revenge out on other countries enemies rather than our own innocent. Noted
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (80)
Tuesday November 6, 2007, 3:47 am

Thanks for a great article, Cate.
I also thank Denise, Phyllis, Stephen, Ron & Christian for their valuable contributions to this debate.
I agree with all of you. Christian, you have shared some heavy stuff, but we need to know what it is really like !
Denise, your comment is terribly moving, you are really an example to us all !

France abolished the death penalty in 1981, when the first Socialist government under the Mitterand presidency came into office, with the great Attorney General (Garde des Sceaux) Robert Badinter who considered the abolition the most important battle of his distinguished career.

There are so many tragic mistakes, so many innocent killed, and when you know that of "capital punishment" it is said 'if you don't have the capital, you get the punishment,' that says it all.

I posted an article and a video clip from Amnesty International's Campaign for a Global Moratorium on Executions a while back. It has to be an international raising of consciousness, that the state should be showing the example of how people should behave: We don't kill people, you don't, either !
The UN has a role to play as well, as the artlcle below makes clear.

This is the link to Amnesty's video of Jeremy Irons talk against the death penalty & in favor of the global moratorium on executions that Amnesty is calling for:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVMho2cP1NE

The following is the article in which 3 victims of injustice, one from Japan, another from Uganda, the third US, speak out in favour of the Moratorium:

Death Penalty: Three death row survivors call for global moratorium on executions
(New York: 16 October) Three men sentenced to death for crimes they did not commit, today urged member states of the United Nations General Assembly to support a resolution for a global moratorium on executions.

"I have faced death at the hands of my government and I'm here to tell the international community of the human suffering caused by the death penalty, and to urge them to end this terrible punishment," said Edward Edmary Mpagi, from Uganda who spent 18 years on death row. Mpagi, sentenced to death in 1981, was accused of killing a man who was later found to be alive.

Speaking at an Amnesty International event at the United Nations in New York, in advance of a resolution for a global moratorium on executions, the three men highlighted how unfair trials, erroneous decisions or flaws in the judicial system can result in innocent people being executed, and urged governments from around the world to stop the use of the death penalty.

"It's difficult to describe what it is like to serve time on death row knowing you are innocent," said Ray Krone, the 100th prisoner on death row in the US to be freed after DNA tests proved his innocence in 2002.

"All you know is that what seems like an awful nightmare is now reality, a reality beyond comprehension. The US death-penalty system is broken. What happened to me can happen to anyone. And it doesn't have to be that way."

In 1949, the Japanese authorities arrested Sakae Menda for the murder of two people. Police extracted a false "confession" from Mr Menda through torture, and after an unfair trial, he was found guilty and sentenced to death. Determined to prove his innocence, Sakae Menda applied for retrials six times before being granted one. In 1983, 34 years after being sentenced to death, the courts acquitted Mr Menda of the charges, making him the first Japanese prisoner on death row to be released.

"Living each day knowing that you may be sent to your death at any given month, day or moment is torture," said Sakae Menda. "Being on death row dehumanises and has a massive psychological effect on a person. It's an awful penalty to inflict on anyone, and is even more devastating for someone who is innocent."

Executions in Japan are typically held in secret and prisoners are either not warned of their impending execution, or are notified only in the morning of the day of the execution.

Speaking at the UN, Amnesty International's expert on death penalty, Piers Bannister said, "These three men provide graphic evidence that the death penalty is administered by flawed systems, whatever the culture and resources of the country concerned. No one knows how many innocent men and women have been executed through history. But the ever present risk of executing the innocent provides yet another compelling reason why the time has come for the global moratorium of executions."

Notes to the Editor
Since the death penalty was re-established in USA in 1973, 124 people on death row have been released after being found innocent, or their conviction rested on insufficient evidence was gathered against them

To date, 133 countries have abolished the use of the death penalty in law or practice.

In 2006, 91 per cent of all known executions took place in only six countries: China, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Sudan and the USA.

In November 2007, the United Nations General Assembly (Third Committee) will vote on a resolution calling for a global moratorium on executions

Amnesty International calls on the 62 UN General Assembly to adopt the resolution:

>Affirming a right to life and stating that abolition of the death penalty is essential for the protection of human rights
>Calling on retentionist states to establish a moratorium on executions asa first step toward abolition of the death penalty
>Calling on retentionist states to respect international standards that guarantee the protection of the rights of those facing the death penalty, and
>Requesting the UN Secretary-General to report on the implementation of the moratorium to the next session of the UNGA.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (80)
Tuesday November 6, 2007, 3:53 am

By the way, in the discussion of 'human garbage,' I would just like to say 'There but for fortune go you & I ;'
doesn't anyone remember that ?

Only psychopaths do not feel regret over their crimes, and they should be institutionalized to protect society.

 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (80)
Tuesday November 6, 2007, 5:02 am

I forgot to mention that this article is in itself an indictment against the death penalty, even if it was not meant to be !
The horror of each death penalty technique as discussed is enough to make you part with your lunch !

No, really, it is nauseating and horrible beyond words.
The botched executions are even worse !
Then, when you read that the 'death squads' make all sorts of mistakes, have had no training, do not know what they're doing or the effect it is having, I wonder how human beings could ever have approved these methods !

It really reminds me of medieval times and the methods of putting people to death then, as described by the novelist Doctorow in 'refresing' interludes interspaced in his narrative in 'the Book of Daniel.' Has anyone read that ?

There is no medical respectibility to be had here, try as you may, except for the one-drug method like putting our animals 'asleep.'
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 6, 2007, 9:25 am
I am not really for the DP but people in my family are for the DP because some one in my own family has been murdered. He right now after all these years in manipulating the system and some people who are anti DP who think he actually deserves to be freed!! They are crazy! The man is a psycho! The fact that he has not told those people the whole truth about what he did tells me he is still an evil person. Even if he is never executed he deserves to rot in prison for the rest of his life!
 

Carolyn T. (234)
Tuesday November 6, 2007, 1:57 pm
Noted with thanks, Cate. I am completely opposed to the death penalty. The right to kill is given to no one, individuall nor collectively. I used to think that life in prison with no parole was the way to go, but neither the death penalty nor the life imprisonment in spartan, yet, humane conditions appears to stop anyone. Our prisons are overcrowded. Moreover, if you want to witness a violent society it does not get any worse than the corrupt system that operates within a prison society where few experience contrition. Every day they become more hardened against people, more filled with contempt and more bitter. Prison is a bit of a graduate school for criminals: you can be placed there under the 3-strike rule for larceny, assult, etc. and learn how to commit other acts of deviance while imprisoned. Now if you were a child molester, every day of your life is a living hell of torture. I don't want that either! I do not want to descend to the level of torturer nor do I want to see those who commit crime immediately back on the street for "good time" served. It is a terrible conundrum. Here is a simplified version of how I feel: when I was an administrator and parents demanded they wanted their child paddled with a board full of holes to make it hurt more, I would set a date and time for the parents to be present. I also had another administrator present and I permitted the child to choose one friend to be with him/her. When the determination of the number of "licks" had been made, I turned to the parent and handed them the paddle, saying this is the punishment you are demanding and you will need to carry it out. I do not believe in beating children. Then I would introduce the social worker who was observing. There was no paddling done. The child and his friend went off with the school counselor, and the parents and I went off with the caseworker now assigned to the child and family. Was it cost effective in $$$$$--probably not; did it help some children and their families? Yes, for a good many; No for hardened kids--imagine hardened at age 9. So, let those who want criminals to die by lethal injection be in the room to see the condemned shaking but wanting to have some dignity. Be there when the veins collapse again and again and the "humaneness" of the technique is torturous. Smell the urine or defacation as fear releases any control. Watch the family. Watch them fight against the drug, arms bulging, chest heaving. Watch as YOU DO IT. Tell me who it brought back from the dead? Tell me if the victims' families miss their loved one less. Know that the person whose life you just took left behind children who have this additional pain to carry. Tell me as you brush past if you feel you could wretch. If you feel good about what you did, then I will pray without stopping for you are violent natured yourself, in my opinion. And in a year or two should it be discovered that you put to death an innocent person, tell me how you will ever be able to live with that. I make no aologies for how strongly I feel; I make no judgement about you and your strong feelings. I do worry on your behalf because I do not think you could be here at C2 putting up strong resistance to inhumanity and cruelty to animals and people and then carry out the death penalty. I think we must completely rework our criminal justice system from the ground up. We will not always agree on what is fair and what is too harsh. But to wrongly take a person's life away through murder or by confinement and then just say, "Sorry" is something I do not want to do. So, I will just hand the paddle to you while you do it; knowing that as I do so I am tacitly giving my approval but bluffing because I am counting on your goodness.
 

Sidney Toups (75)
Wednesday November 7, 2007, 6:54 am
North Carolina has the death penalty but it is temporarily suspended. The law requires that a doctor be present at executions. Recently, the state medical association announced that doctors exist for heeling and not for killing and that they will not participate in executions.
Good for them
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Wednesday November 7, 2007, 11:47 am
So does that mean there will be no more ABORTIONS preformed in NORTH CAROLINA EITHER? Because as we know abortions are nothing more than murder and are state sanctioned also.
 

O O O. (139)
Wednesday November 7, 2007, 12:50 pm
Kevin is correct about this,life is life& a baby,regardless of age is a human,regardless of name chang placed upon the subject all do know what the subject relly is& this can not be got around.
A baby human is also completely it self,innocent,unlike the crimianals. And regardless how it's own life was started,the child deserves no penelties for it's existance. Wanted or not,like it or not.
Nothing can be done,that is 100% right,but wishing that humans were not as they are,is not correct either.
Society is not the one that is supposed to pay the criminal penatly,as it does by life long inprisionment.
Criminals of the "career type",do not think like you are wishing they would & no,they will not change normaly.
You are mistateing for your own perposes,the relase of human waste,as that is not fear,but is done by the body as it relaes at death.
the last meal is for the perpouse of haveing something to relese to note for sure their death as req. as you can only legaly kill them once for the particular crime you are doing this for.
Useing a social worker in that manor is a criminal activeity,illegal gov monitoring,use of force againest family just because it is ageinest your particualr belif s,use of cps systme regardless of actual punashment done or not.
The treat & use of them makes you yourslef a criminal as a terriest& you should be so punished now yourself as a self convicted crimilal.
The no hardened kids is a lie which you do know,for those that do need treatment,ie gang members & assocates,etc.
"Normal kids",need to be kept proper in there actions,but not with hard or much or often nor public disaplin.
Some here have a kind heart,but it is totaly a misplaced idea for the type "person" talked about here-these are not humans,human shaped or not& as proven continuing vilent animals,they must & shall be dealt with.
The system is broken itslef,which is one of the reason one recives so many wrongfuly accussed,let alone convicted people,this is true& needs remedy,but for the money in the system i doubut very much it ever will be.
There is a well knowen penalty to be applied for a particuar action-apply it,like it or not&no it's not perfect-nothing is or will be.
BTW,Europe has become much more violent,especaily England since the removeal of ways of personal self defence,which is itself criminal action of all gov,since they claim they have no req to protect you& even so,self,self defence has been& always shall be a basic from the begining of time Right-not prievelge.
England is now becoming more dangerious than the U.S.,this fact,documented,is simply not well know yet,but can not be hidden forever.
I too have looked to move from U.S.& have found these things to be true,like them or not!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 7, 2007, 1:25 pm
I to was wondering about the abortion issue...people that are anti DP but pro abortion are hypocritical....there maybe some of those out there some where.


I will back my family on this issue because they mean more to me than a man who murdered his wife, tried to frame his friend for it, and raped to very young girls!! I would rather he stay in prison for the rest of his life, as right now there is NO other "better alternative" or "treatment" that can "rehabilitate" this man!!! That is just the reality of this world right now!! The fact that he is manipulating anti DP people by completely lying to them about every single thing that has to do with the case shows how psychotic and dangerous he still is.

I do my very best here at c2 and to be a good person but I will not put issues like this above my family's own hurt and pain. I will not be torn between "activism" and my own family and their pain so from this issue I abstain to learn one way or the other and will not sign petitons for it either. Every one has their lessons in life to learn. That is just the way it is plain and simple. Every one has the right to their opinions. We don't have to agree....but agree to disagree...
 

. (0)
Wednesday November 7, 2007, 5:51 pm
I don't think they should be put in jail for marajuana everybody has to get high
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 8, 2007, 7:27 am
When we are talking about the death penalty for murders we are talking about vengence .
Abortion is not about vengence towards the fetus its about a woman's right to chose what she does with her own body .
You can bet if men were the ones having babies there would be no debate on abortion !
Personally I think the government already interfers with our personal life choices way too much and should butt out with making laws that tell us what we can and can not do.

Myself I would not chose abortion,,but that is my own personal choice and I think everyone should be able to decide for themselves what is right for them .
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Thursday November 8, 2007, 8:31 am
Linda call it what you want if it makes YOU FEEL BETTER. MURDER IS MURDER, this is not about abortion issues it is about taking LIFE whether its a CONVICTED MURDER or a tiny HUMAN LIFE there is NO DIFFERENCE no matter how ROSY YOU PAINT THE PICTURE. And if it were up to men we would still be hanging CONVICTED MURDERS IN THE VILLAGE SQUARE.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 8, 2007, 12:24 pm
Actually my family see the death penalty as justice being carried out as it is a law that is on the books, that is a possible consequence for one's actions. They do not view this man as some one who could ever possibly do anything good for society ever!

Murder is taking another person's life...abortion is taking life form from a woman's own body. Either way a life form is ending even if it is about the woman's choice. In the end every one has their own lessons in life to learn. If it is a convicted murder, a woman having an abortion, or people who want the DP carried out.

I do however, believe no matter what, the death penalty or abortion should never be taken or done lightly!!
 

Kevin Carty (10)
Thursday November 8, 2007, 12:56 pm
J S i agree totally with you neither should be done without a very lot of thought, but to be against state sanctioned murders and for state sactioned baby murder at the same time is assinine. I dont understand how people can come to that conclusion by trying to justify it bycalling it something else.
 

O O O. (139)
Thursday November 8, 2007, 2:13 pm
Linda is WRONG,as this is not about her right to chose,as that choice was already made,this is the Right of a person to live. So you where raped,bad yes,don't make it worse deliberately,you have& pass the child to one who does want that child if you do not-murder,no.
State sactioned,that is the majority of people sactioning,after deliberate thought as to when,why,if,how-& it,is NOT murder. They have the athourity to so order,though i do not nessaraly belive they should have-better,you get attacked,you do know just who did what to whom why,so deal with it,as method used in past& no,it is not perfect either,but does not have the power& cash trips of current use ways.
only"Perhaps",but i higher percentage may actualy then be guilty as charged.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 8, 2007, 7:21 pm
Kevin I have no question that if it were mans choice there would still be hangings in the village square .

Painting a rosey picture was not my objective,,I was trying to make the point that every time you let the government take away your right to chose anything you are losing personal freedom inch by inch.

Would you rather go back to when woman died because they tried to abort an unwanted pregnancy in an unsterile back room somewhere ? Because trust me if it were banned that is just what will happen all over again.
Funny how the subject of the death penalty turned into an abortion issue,,any vegans wish to jump in about how we kill animals too .
 

Donn M. (56)
Thursday November 8, 2007, 7:42 pm
Just consider the death penalty as a post-birth abortion and nearly everyone should be happy. People who commit horrible crimes have forfeited the right to life through their own choices and actions. They know what the penalty may be and have chosen to risk it, and thus have no one to blame but themselves.
 
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