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NJ Becomes First State to Prohibit the Death Penalty


Society & Culture  (tags: death penalty, New Jersey, John Corzine )

RC
- 2421 days ago - washingtonpost.com
The NJ State Legislature voted to eliminate the death penalty for all crimes, leaving life in prison without the pissibility of parole as the stiffest punishment available to judges and juries. Grovernor Corzine will sign the bill promptly. HURRAY!!!!



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RC deWinter (418)
Friday December 14, 2007, 3:18 pm
I wish the United States would federally abolish the death penalty. No other civilized nation allows it.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Friday December 14, 2007, 3:18 pm
I wish the United States would federally abolish the death penalty. No other civilized nation allows it.
 

Brenda H. (29)
Friday December 14, 2007, 3:31 pm
SORRY, I DISAGREE--I LIVE IN LOUISIANA WHERE WE STILL HAVE THE DEATH PENALTY! CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN DESERVE IT--I WORKED IN A MAX SECURITY PRISON FOR MEN IN LA. FOR 5 YRS. ONE OF THE WORST WE HAD THERE WAS A MAN THAT PUT HIS BABY GIRL IN AN OVEN AND BAKED HER--HE WAS FOUND COMPETENT TO STAND TRIAL--WHAT DO YOU THINK HE DESERVED? HE'S ON DEATH ROW AT ANGOLA! THERE WERE MANY MORE THERE THAT WERE JUST AS BAD!
 

Brenda H. (29)
Friday December 14, 2007, 3:38 pm
WHY SHOULD THE TAX PAYERS HAVE TO PAY FOR HIM TO WATCH SATELLITE TV, FEED, CLOTHE, FREE MEDICAL, FREE DENTAL AND ANYTHING ELSE HE NEEDS, WE DON'T GET ANYTHING FOR FREE AND WE DIDN'T MURDER ANYONE!
 

Gail L. (30)
Friday December 14, 2007, 4:10 pm
I have to agree with you Brenda.. We have to pay are own ways, .
 

Gail L. (30)
Friday December 14, 2007, 4:11 pm
NOTED
 

O O O. (139)
Friday December 14, 2007, 4:15 pm
The World does NEED to eliminate some,as they are,but they ARE,illeminateing the wrong ones-Death Penalty-For,but on a more personal level,insureing one does have the "right culprit".
 

James M. (193)
Friday December 14, 2007, 4:16 pm
Does it really make it right for society to commit murder? The outcome is the same. I have a difficult time with being against the death penalty for some crimes also, but our urge for some kind of vengence shouldn't outweigh our basic morals. Murder is wrong, regardless if its an idividual or a society.
 

Brandy Ramos (235)
Friday December 14, 2007, 5:09 pm
Noted. This is good news I hope that other states will follow. We can have other ways of supporting the prisoners without using Tax Payers money. We can set up where the prisoner himself works for his food and other needs and get rid of the luxuries.
 

Denise Reiser (42)
Friday December 14, 2007, 5:13 pm
Sorry, but I too agree with Brenda on this one. Some people don't deserve to take up our air.
 

Eternal Optimist (115)
Friday December 14, 2007, 5:16 pm
Noted. Thanks Cate :)
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 14, 2007, 5:29 pm
Granted, many do deserve the death penalty---but there are many who are getting executed that are innocent---last I heard our Governor has put it on "hold" as the Governor before him did---said there were too many innocents executed. Personally, I don't believe in the death penalty----most of the child molesters and child killers get theirs in prison by the inmates---the criminals cannot even tolerate this behavior. Thanks Cate.
 

Brenda H. (29)
Friday December 14, 2007, 5:33 pm
BONITA, NO THEY DON'T, THEY ARE PUT IN WHAT IS CALLED (P.C.--PROTECTIVE CUSTODY) THEY AREN'T ALLOWED IN GENERAL POPULATION BECAUSE OF THE REASONS YOU STATED.
 

John Blalock (48)
Friday December 14, 2007, 5:34 pm
Thank you Brenda H!!!
 

Robert K. (437)
Friday December 14, 2007, 5:37 pm
Hooray Cate....thank goodness. With the advent of DNA coming to the front 40% of those on death row that have been tested were found to be innocent, and many after being there 20 years or longer. Too, much of the judiciary is a joke...just look at the powers that be in Washington, while in many cases it is who you know, or how much money you have as to whether you are convicted or not. It is horrendous to think of a child being tortured and killed by some psychotic lunatic, but then too what if it was you child that was helplessly innocent and still executed by supposedly civilized human beings.
 

. (0)
Friday December 14, 2007, 5:53 pm
that is good to many innocent people,life in prison is no party
 

Robert K. (437)
Friday December 14, 2007, 7:04 pm
Sooner or later, everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences. --Robert Louis Stevenson--
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 14, 2007, 7:21 pm
BRENDA H -- I don't claim to be a better person than anyone else,or that I care more than anyone else because I post and read stuff on a website. Do you?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 14, 2007, 8:05 pm
Noted and thanks Cate.
Finally a State that gets it right ,,MURDER is MURDER no matter who does the killing and murder is wrong .
Right on Paige !
 

Mary P. (177)
Friday December 14, 2007, 10:02 pm
Brenda, Bonita is correct as in many places these so called protection sections, even where high security exists.. have a loop hole..... the one where even convicted people have a code which does not accept certain crimes against children. I agree they do receive many things here as far as their health care, material and entertainment needs are concerned. Overall the current system in this country works hard to help young offenders.

Robert is correct re the DNA evidence indicating many are/were innocent. Loss of freedom does not always appear as appropriate justice, however, one murder does not condone another, no matter how angry we become when a horrific crime is committed. Money does make a huge difference as to who is convicted and who pays the full price
Thank you Cate. Noted.
 

Dolores H. (2)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 12:13 am
Noted.
 

Ramona Gehl (141)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 5:08 am
I agree with Cate, Robert and Barb! The poorest people in this society do not get competent representation! As Robert said, Thank goodness for DNA!!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 5:41 am
I was on the fence with this for so long. Like Brenda, I felt all people who hurt others should have the same action placed on them.
THEN. I did an actual study on who are on death row and why and how many still claim innocence and many who have been given the chance to prove their innocence, but were still denied release from prision.
I can not teach love and acceptance to my kids, if I go around demanding death on my very own brothers and or sisters.
Acceptance, love and peace, do not have room for the death penalty.
NOTED Thanks Cate!
 

Margaret Trainor (61)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 5:47 am
Murder is murder .....and the death penalty has so far not been a deterrent . And yes the poorest in this society do not get proper representation and they are often found guilty ...and then innocent many years later. I hope other States will follow this lead.
 

Patrick Cardwell (24)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 6:03 am
Whew.... I thought I was going to be the ogre who rained on the parade of stopping capital punishment. I do believe in it for a couple reasons.

If a scum bag murders innocent people in the commission of a crime, it should be a mandatory death sentence. Granted, this is not going to be a "stop-gap" for all other criminals, but if it stops one, just one, from taking a gun into a convenience store, then it would have been worth it.

Secondly, the cost of maintaining these durges of life. It costs upwards of $50K a year to keep one prisoner and that cost goes up each year. Life ... for whom, the tax payer. If these people have committed henous crimes, they must be dealt with in the same manner. Keeping someone in prison the rest of their lives, without the possibility of parol, is ludicrious. If you multiply that $50K times the number of life without parol, there would be enough money to put real, effective programs in place for those who are coming back into society so they don't make a return visit because the root of their problem was not addressed in the first place. These people serve their time and then are released without gaining any of the social skills necessary to be in society.

I understand that perhaps the justice system is flawed and certain groups are overwhelmingly sentenced to prison. That is why we need standards for all offenders. As I said before, if one commits a murder in the commission of another crime, white, black, purple, or green, they get the needle. Some of them deserve the use of ol' Sparky. I'm sure they didn't give a damn what the people went through when they were murdered. I don't care what they go through to be executed.

Ok.. that's that. Thank you Brenda for not making me the mean ol' white man!
 

Patrick Cardwell (24)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 6:06 am
Sorry for the misspellings in my post. I made the mistake of hitting when I was proof reading. I hope you get the idea behind what I was saying.
 

Patrick Cardwell (24)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 6:17 am
Robert, I don't know where you got your information, but on my search, it is less than 1% that have been proven innocent and released. Unfortunately, I closed the page and can't give you the link as I had planned. I copied it, but for some reason it won't paste here.

The people found guilty of a capital crime, are give ample opportunity to prove their innocence in most cases. There is the automatic appeal, then they have the opportunity to appeal again and again and again. I believe the average time on death row was 18 years, if I read it correctly. That is from the time they are sentenced to the time they are executed OR it might have meant 18 years is the average of those now on death row in the US. I apologize for the mix up, but you can get the general idea.

Do you people who are so happy with this law, think for one minute that these people who commit the crimes punishable by death, do NOT know what is going to happen to them when they are caught and tried? If you don't, you are living in a dream world. They're thinking they can commit the crime and get away with it. Why do you think they kill people who can identify them.

I'm sorry, but they know the rules before they do the deed. If they don't want the death penalty, they need to use what the good Lord gave them ... their brain... which will be toast if they do these crimes.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 7:25 am
Patrick, here are real stats if you wish to know the truth.
80% of the people in prisons, who are on death row are blac men. 80% of those druggies you mentioned are in there on NON VIOLENT crimes. Also most States now have a pay back your room and bored.

When they are released they have to see their PO and give a % of their pay towards paying the State back for the time they spent keeping them in prison for these non-violent crimes.

The "rules" are changed every time to suit the needs of the person being accused of a crime.

Go to Cate's other news to note story. A guy in PA, my state, is being charged with attempted assault. He premeditated a crime. He was teased by people in a store for farting, left came back with his assault rifle and shot and wounded someone. He is charged with attempted assault. Why wasn't he, a white man, charged with attempted murder? That is what any blac man or child would had been charged with. Why not him? Cause the courts change the rules as they see fit to and people eat it up and agree for it is a bunch of blacs that fill the prisons so why should we really care.....

How can the lowest populations, the smallest minority of people in our country, be the majority of people in jail? How are they the majority of people that commit crimes? The numbers do not add up. The paying for the crime does not fit. We have more blacs in jail right now for BUYING crack then who are in there for actually killing people. The courts even have a special law placed in for people who are caught with crack to those who are with powder cocaine... I am most certain you know the difference as to who uses crack and who uses coke.

Point is, this is nothing but a way to keep a certain kind of people oppressed. It don't work. In America we have had more violent crimes committed by the citizens of our country then all the people killed this year in Iraq in the war. Our own government teaches racial profiling of people when represented in court. And I have many examples to give if needed. First being the one I just spoke about above.
 

Patricia A. (1)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 10:49 am
BRAVO!! I still hope for the end of death penalty on this world!
 

Robert K. (437)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 12:01 pm
Over 123 people have been found innocent of the crime they were sentenced to death for.
False confessions, mistaken eyewitness accounts, incompetent counsel and jailhouse snitches are often the cause of an innocent person's conviction. While DNA has saved many innocent lives, most crimes do not have DNA that can be tested.
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a Republican, has reiterated his opposition to capital punishment. Bloomberg noted, "The death penalty I've always had a problem with, because too many times in the past you've seen innocent people incarcerated and, tragically, every once in a while they've been executed. And until you can show me that the process never would ever convict somebody that later on we find out was innocent of a crime, murder is murder no matter who does it, and I think we as a society can afford to incarcerate people." (The New York Times, July 31, 2003).
 

Robert K. (437)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 12:08 pm
Alan Newton: Convicted of rape, robbery and assault in 1985, served 21 years

In the 2 days after the crime, and while she was hospitalized following surgery, the victim was shown nearly two hundred photographs, and chose Alan Newton’s. Several days later, the clerk at the convenience store from which the victim was abducted picked out Newton in a photo lineup, and, the next day, in a live lineup. At about the same time, police drove the victim from the hospital to view a lineup and she again identified Newton.

“Newton had tried unsuccessfully for 12 years to have the rape kit in his case tested for DNA, but with the help from the lawyers from the Innocence Project, Newton made one last request and the judge approved. The rape kit was located, and the DNA test conclusively excludes Newton as the rapist.” (Hannity and Colmes, July 13, 2006)

Newton’s 1994 request for DNA testing was turned down by the Court, because the victims’ rape kit was missing. Newton continued to pursue DNA testing. Finally in 2005, eleven years after Newton first asked for DNA testing, the Bronx District Attorney, acting at the request of the Innocence Project, instructed the Property Clerk to look for the kit again. Despite claims that previous searches had been thorough and that the kit had probably been destroyed, the Property Clerk found the rape kit exactly where the original evidence voucher said it was.

The criminal justice system is run by imperfect human beings. Mistakes are inevitable. But when a human life is at stake, there can be no margin for error. Even one mistake is intolerable.

That is why New Yorkers know that we can live without the death penalty.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 12:11 pm
Noted...and thanks, Cate.
 

Merry L. (74)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 12:25 pm
I believe in Capitol punishment in indisputed cases like: Gacey, Dahmer, Bundy etc., but I too am sick of supporting all the innocent people (and guilty) in prisons-jails. They should have to earn their keep until the 20 yrs of appeals is over!
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 12:48 pm
i am so happy......good job NJ...........
 

Jessie Cross (295)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 1:12 pm
Not a moment too soon! Good news for the festive season.
 

Anja M. (85)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 1:51 pm
NOTED, thank you Cate! Completely unknown in the Netherlands since I don't know how long (the stone age....?). Not an issue either because almost everyone is against. We are not living in China, the middle east, or parts of Asia but in the civilized western world. Compared to the USA we have ridiculous crime rates so death penalty doesn't put people off. They do the crime anyway. We also have very short jail sentences. Many poor black men on death row though. How come??
 

Michael Angel (58)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 2:07 pm
Death penalty

30 October 2007
The death penalty violates the right to life. It is the ultimate cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment. It has no place in a modern criminal justice system.

An execution, just like torture, involves a deliberate assault on a prisoner. Even so-called 'humane' methods such as lethal injection can entail excruciating suffering.

Capital punishment is irrevocable. All judicial systems make mistakes, and as long as the death penalty persists, innocent people will be executed.

It is also discriminatory and is often used disproportionately against the poor, the powerless and the marginalized, as well as against people whom repressive governments want to eliminate.

The death penalty does not deter crime more than other punishments. In Canada the homicide rate has fallen by 40 per cent since 1975; the death penalty was abolished for murder in 1976.
MORE HERE
http://www.amnesty.org/en/death-penalty
 

Robert K. (437)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 2:59 pm
The wrong men on Death Row
A growing number of bad convictions challenges the death penalty's fairness

Gary Gauger's voice was flat when he called 911 to report finding his father in a pool of blood. Police arrived at the Illinois farmhouse Gauger shared with his parents and discovered that his mother was dead, too. The 40-year-old son, a quirky ex-hippie organic farmer, became a murder suspect. After all, someone had slashed Ruth and Morrie Gauger's throats just 30 feet from where Gary slept. There were no signs of a struggle or robbery. But what most bothered the cops was the son's reaction: He quietly tended to his tomato plants as they investigated. Eventually, Gauger was sentenced to die by lethal injection–until it became clear police had the wrong guy. His case is not unusual.

After years of debate, most Americans now believe the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for the most repulsive murders. But that support is rooted in an underlying assumption: that the right person is being executed. The most recent list by an antideath-penalty group shows that Gary Gauger is one of 74 men exonerated and freed from death row over the past 25 years–a figure so stark it's causing even some supporters of capital punishment to rethink whether the death penalty can work fairly. Among them is Gerald Kogan, who recently stepped down as chief justice of Florida's Supreme Court. "If one innocent person is executed along the way, then we can no longer justify capital punishment," he says.
 

David Gould (155)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 4:23 pm
Wow there might be a slim chance of the USA becoming a civilised country this century! It it can stop murdering its own citizens and then extend that to those that liove elsewhere the world might be a better place. And as to those that say the death penalty is a good idea I would like to say that there is an old saying from the christian holy book, the Bible tht goes 'vengence is might says the Lord'. Could be we should leave the judgement up to Him at the final judgement. Meanwhile we should concentrate on the living.
 

David Gould (155)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 4:28 pm
Sorry fat finger hits again. Should have read "Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord" also further up the post it should read "...and then extend to those that live elsewhere; the world might be a better place."
 

Suzybell H. (199)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 6:58 pm
In truth it is anyone who is poor. The Public Defender is only there to push the case through. They do not care about their client in fact they might as well have no attorney.
 

Brenda H. (29)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 9:12 pm
THANKS PATRICK, IF THEY CAN'T DO THE TIME(OR DIE)---DON'T DO THE CRIME!! AS FOR THE NEEDLE--THEY ARE PUT TO SLEEP--WITH A SEDATIVE, BEFORE THE LETHAL INJECTION--WONDER WHAT HORRORS THEIR VICTUMS WENT THROUGH FIRST(DID YOU FORGET ABOUT THEM AND THEIR FAMLIES?)--ESPECIALLY THE CHILDREN AND BABIES! TEXAS JUST SENTENCED ONE TO THE DEATH PENALTY(FOR THE FIRST TIME) THANK GOODNESS-- FOR THE RAPE AND MOLESTATION OF A 5 YR. OLD BABY GIRL!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 9:39 pm
I would not be able to serve on the jury of a capital case. It is not my decision who lives or dies, and it should not be the responsibility of anyone who does their civic duty by serving as a juror. I would not even consider harming another human being or animal by abuse or murder. However, I do not see the death penalty as a deterrent to violent crime. Finding the cause, what leads to a person becoming violent, setting aside more money to support social programs, supplying the basic needs (food, clothing, shelter), will improve families, and lead to less crime
 

sylvia a. (0)
Saturday December 15, 2007, 9:51 pm
mutilations,cold-bloodied murders against innocent people (without reasonable doubt) should be considered automatic death sentences (preferably have the creep or creeps done to them what they have inflicted upon others
 

RC deWinter (418)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 12:57 am
I must disagree, Linda, about Public Defenders. I work for the Office of the Chief Public Defender here in CT and while some of our PDs are jerks, most are truly dedicated to serving their clients, no matter what their crimes, to the best of their ability. Our Innocence Project recently got a man who had wrongly served 18 years for a rape he did not commit freed...after months searchingfor old DNA evidence they luckily found, Our Capital Defense Unit and the special public defenders we hire to represent defendants in capital cases are the some of the best lawyers around, some even from outside CT. But I will admit that CT is better in that respect than many other states.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 7:32 am
Maybe if more people in this world can rid themselves of the hatred in their hearts that condones vengence and putting people to death then we would not have all this killing in the world to start with .
The thoughts you put out into the universe comes back to you ten fold .
So if you want less wars and killing start thinking love and peace and not vengence and killing.
 

Alf I. (246)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 7:52 am
I cannot believe that America still has the death penalty. It is so barbaric! We abolished it in the 60's and so should America.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 7:58 am
I keep hearing over and over in this thread about how our tax money pays to keep these prisoners in jail ,,living the high life.
What prison's have you been to because in my state they are not allowed their own TV's or Radio's and they work on the highways picking up trash for their keep .Also in other counties like Bridgewater they work in shops in the prison making license plates and other things we use in our society .So they are paying for at least part of their keep.
So if we are to judge who should live or die based on how much it costs us in tax dollars going to support prisoners tell me how much should a human life be worth ?Can you put a dollar amount on that ?

Excuse me for getting hot in the collar on this subject but I get so tired of hearing people who becry that their tax dollars are being spent for prisoners, the poor and social programs etc .
It makes me sick to my stomach that some of us have become so concerned about our wallets that a life is worth nothing to you as long as you save a few $$$$.
A very small portion of our taxes go for these things while a huge portion 2/3 rds of the budget is going to the war machine and most of these same people are silent about that.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 9:04 am
I tip my hat to you Linda R! Thank you. It is cause of people like you who have been able to place this in a perspective I can relate to is why i have just recently changed my view on capital punishment.
It is obvious that Brenda is upset, she only writes in caps. So i guess her only way of speaking is to yell/cry from the mount.
 

Armand F. (5)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 9:45 am
The dominoes will start to fall in line finallly. Next is for the Supreme court to find "lethat injection" unconstitutional, which it is. Talk about cruel punishment.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 2:32 pm
Noted & THANK YOU!

~Everyone can heal, Everyone has a right to heal~
 

FreeSpirit Running (324)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 4:20 pm
Hey parasite, yea, you...workin...do you feel better now?....so, your real brave with your words huh?..you were just flagged!...your words are uncalled for in this post.....period..end of story...
Love you Cate, this is noted..
FreeSpiritRunning...
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 4:36 pm
noted and thanks for the alerts for discontened person, aka working something but nothing good.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 4:58 pm
HOW WE HANDLE TROLLS AND SPAMMERS AND PROFANITY ON CARE2.

1] FLAG the offensive post {"flag as inappropriate" on your right-hand side of the page}.
2] FLAG the troll on their Profile Page {on the lower right-hand side of the page, "flag as inappropriate"}.
3] BLOCK the troll and he-she-it can't post on ANY of your postings! A NEW FEATURE! And a good one!
4] ALERT all your friends, as is obviously being done here.
It is a nuisance, but SOMEONE has to do it! So, THANK YOU those who care enough!

As most of us know, trolls strike on weekends, when Care2 staff is slowest to take action. We can still BLOCK the creeps from what we post!!!
Trolls are not only extremely SICK individuals; but, the Bushco mis-Administration callously and cynically USES their mental illness to try to disrupt sites such as Care2, and elsewhere on the Internet! One of our Care2 members found the REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE site where they RECRUITED THESE MENTAL CASES TO DISRUPT! A site since moved to where we can't find it anymore!
So, combatting trolls is not just a PRIVATE matter, as you might think; it is definitely a POLITICAL thing. These ill and dim people may be getting PAID TO DISRUPT; as they are pathetic, mentally challenged people with few or no other marketable skills!

There is a DIFFERENCE, I hasten to point out, between trolls and people who disagree with one, sometimes vehemently and using strong language. I think that DIFFERENCE is OBVIOUS without spelling it out! BMT
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 5:33 pm
I would not normally use public pages to reply to others comments, but you have left me no choice. Typing in caps is inconsiderate, as has been noted by me and now another member, Botyfltiger E. I have forwarded your comments to C2 because of your abuse of this forum, and personal attacks on other members. Misspelling someone's name is also a sign of disrespect, but I doubt it was intentional...what kind of person would that make you?
 

Cynthia H. (155)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 5:37 pm
Flagging Brenda for her 4:27pm response to Botyfltiger is totally appropriate since she obviously changed the spelling of the name to be purposely insulting and crude.

There have been some great remarks here by both sides, and this is an issue that, like many of you, I have struggled with. The inability to see others as human beings rather than dollar signs (whether a convicted criminal, a poor person, the disabled, immigrants, etc) is a glaring sign of the illness of our societies. We promote separation and division rather than embracing the interconnectedness of all things.

I agree with those who've said that murder is murder no matter the cause or the reasoning behind it. The answers don't exist in the death penalty.

I totally agree with Linda R's comment: "Maybe if more people in this world can rid themselves of the hatred in their hearts that condones vengence and putting people to death then we would not have all this killing in the world to start with .
The thoughts you put out into the universe comes back to you ten fold .
So if you want less wars and killing start thinking love and peace and not vengence and killing."
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 5:59 pm
mea culpa to Botyfltiger for the typo in my comment....didn't catch it until I had already posted it...a note to Whoever, is it ten fold or three? Either way, I share this belief, have to be careful what you send out into the universe...
 

Cynthia H. (155)
Sunday December 16, 2007, 6:42 pm
Elisabeth - it's ten fold! "Thoughts become things, so choose the good ones!" - www.tut.com
 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Monday December 17, 2007, 8:16 am
Massachusettts has not had the death penalty for more than 40 years, so New Jersey is the first state to abolish the death penalty. Maybe the second. Good for Gov. Corzine.

To: Workin F, maybe some druggie will f you up the A and kill you, then you won't have to worry about the death penalty being abolished. You idiot. If you had a brain you might be dangerous.
 

Marina L. (137)
Monday December 17, 2007, 2:59 pm
Great News!!!
 

Madalena Lobao-Tello (448)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 7:14 am
yes, Great News!!!
 

Martin K. (80)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 9:57 am
Too many innocent persons have been put to death already. For those who have committed heinous crimes they should do life without parole, How many people have served up to 30 years and are being released because the system and labs got it wrong? Prison guards are for the most part sadistic and do not protect the younger offenders from sodomy and abuse. Not all prison guards are the same, but having had many friends who were felt they should have been fired or locked up themselves.
 

Barb PL (1067)
Tuesday December 18, 2007, 10:45 am
I wish I had the time to read what everyone has had to say as this is an important topic... but I'll have to read more later...
I disagree with totally abolishing the death penality, I know it and the whole justice system needs to be revised as it is abused and unjustly used. I do believe however that when a person rapes & murders children, they should die...
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 21, 2007, 4:03 pm
Noted ... tnx Cate.
I guess, people will never agree on this issue.
Sometimes, one cannot be punished enough: would death penalty then be the solution?
It might be too easy.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 8:55 am
In the uk we have human rights, but the majority of the time one persons human rights is many other peoples inhuman rights. Without effective Retribution the bad will suffer. look at animal wealfare..
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 9:02 am
should read the Good will suffer. As well as from spelling mistakes.......
 

Donna Smith (11)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 1:36 pm
Without the threat of the death penalty, criminals KNOW they're 'home free'.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 1:54 pm
just curious, Donna, what keeps you from committing a capital crime (one punishable by the death penalty)? Probably the same thing that keeps most of the members of our society from committing any illegal activity, you would be arrested, convicted by a court of law, and spend precious years of life in prison. Those who commit crimes will do so, with or without the death penalty. Capital punishment is NOT a deterrent to those who willfully attack, abuse, or kill others, with no conscience. The focus should be on prevention of crime. Once one is 'in the system' it may already be too late.
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 1:46 am
okay to donna smith..i do not know if you are aware of this but to recieve the death penalty generally you must say and plead not guilty .if i kill you and i confess to the crime i am generally placed in prison for life death is generally removed when you confess .why well to spare the state the time and money it would cost to find you possibly guilty .this is not always the case but generally is the case .so if you are guilty of a capital crime you can avoid the death penalty already .so those on death row are generally stating they are not guilty hense why we are finding innocent people on death row and with the idea that dna doesnt lie well we are now finding that it may not but those behind the test may be such as in cases in the american south ......BLOOD FOR BLOOD IS NEVER THE ANSWER EXSPECIALLY WHEN THE STATE IS DOING IT
 

Edward H. (45)
Monday December 24, 2007, 12:21 am
While there have been some people incorrectly sentenced and put to death, (capital punishment), I still support it. I believe if there is an overwhelming amount of evidence proving who committed the crime, it should be utilized. Some say it is not a deterrent. I disagree. At the very least, it deters the person from ever doing it again. How many times have convicted murderers killed guards? How many times have murderers been set free only to do it again? Ditto for child molesters and rapists. Stack those numbers against the number of innocent people who have been put to death. Now, with technology improving, especially with the use of DNA, I would venture to say the numbers would be staggeringly lopsided... Just an FYI for anyone using Scripture to eliminate capital punishment, check out Genesis 9:5-6. I'm not looking to turn this into a Biblical discussion, but I thought it needed to be pointed out. Also, forgiveness does not mean there are not consequences. Finally, (at least for the moment), to consider it murder to use capital punishment against someone who murdered an innocent individual is confusing to me. Would that mean if someone was coming into your home to kill one of your family members you wouldn't kill them first if that was the only means of stopping them?
 

April F. (13)
Wednesday January 2, 2008, 9:51 pm
Two points....First, I may be misunderstanding but why was Brenda flagged? I agree with her and I don't even see a post marked at 4 something? Secondly, I'm smart but I guess I just don't know what a troll is and how you determined she was one?! Lastly, there needs to be a death penalty for rape and other sexual crimes against anyone! These are not people, they are monsters in a human form! Also, I believe that white people are now a minority in America, if not we will be by 2010. By the way, remember the home invasion
in CT? They were both career criminals who DID NOT want to change! I'm saddened if we as a country
can't get rid of these scum....shame on New Jersey!
 

Donn M. (56)
Wednesday January 2, 2008, 10:11 pm
Brenda isn't a troll, but apparently she made a comment deemed inappropriate by someone and was flagged for it. A troll will usually just hit and run, make a nasty or inflaming comment and then be gone.
I do agree with Brenda, some people simply deserve the death penalty and the state is the appropriate entity to carry it out.
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Thursday January 3, 2008, 2:11 am
BRENDA didn't offend me but doesnt it go to the point that the innocent can be proven guilty and then silenced by i dont know a jury or a mob ..............BRENDA has been given a death sentence on her opinion something that she appears to believe in ..........
 
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