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Tom Cruise - The Goebbels of Scientology?


Society & Culture  (tags: Tom Cruise, Scientology, Joseph Goebbels, Hitler, Third Reich )

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- 2500 days ago - guardian.co.uk
German historian Guido Knopp, a Third Reich expert, likens Tom Crusie's Scientology speech to Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propagands. What do you think of this comparison?



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RC deWinter (418)
Monday January 21, 2008, 10:11 am
Well, Cruise does have the ability to rouse great emotion in his fans, I suppose. And Scientology adherents seem to be the herd type who hang tight by both orders from headquarters and inclination. But it is well-know that the German government is no fan of Scientology (I can understand why). Is this an attempt to simply discredit the 'religion' or is the comparison apt? I say in some ways yes,and in some ways no.
 

Alf I. (246)
Monday January 21, 2008, 10:12 am
What are the media so afraid of? While I am not a religious follower we should not become like China and ban religions. If people want to be scientologists then why shouldn't they? Its no worse than some of the mainstream religions. As for Tom Cruise being like Goebbels thats just laughable. Goebbels was very intelligent and evil. Cruise is silly and harmless.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Monday January 21, 2008, 10:14 am
LOL...Cruise is silly...and on the world stage harmless...but I think Knopp is comparing the powers or persuasion of these men, their abilities to draw large crowds to them in agreement of everything they say.
 

Ceci Blaugrane (563)
Monday January 21, 2008, 10:59 am
Well, Cruise's rant is certainly scary... and I think religious fervour when misused can be dangerous and damaging. All in all, fanatism can't be good.
 

Ramona Gehl (141)
Monday January 21, 2008, 11:14 am
I don't know about Tom Cruise....but I just watched the Brasscheck TV video about George Bush's family links to Hitler and the Nazi regime.....very informative and very disturbing!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Merry L. (74)
Monday January 21, 2008, 11:25 am
Cruise certainly is charasmatic!
 

Anja M. (85)
Monday January 21, 2008, 11:27 am
NOTED! Religion is opium for the people. Nothing good comes from it, so as far as I am concerned: ban it. Tom Cruise is really harmless. Goebbels was a charismatic man with intelligent, persuasion speeches, he seduced the whole German people. Tom Cruise is not and he cannot. I agree with you Cate, I know Guido Knppp and his ideas very well.
 

nurith k. (93)
Monday January 21, 2008, 11:43 am
nonsense, i mean what is the matter with scientologie, i once talked to some people of scientologie and 1. there where very nice, 2. they didn't try to talk me into anything, 3. i knew as much as they did about how to create your life you want and 4. politics are religion too, like science, like anything, anyway, because as soon as you believe in anything, it is a religion, so why is everybody always going on scientologie??? i mean the catholic church pretends it got a voice over ip to Great Mystery itself for more than 2000 years and nobody
says anything about it and that fact doesn't stop any catholic believer to believe, does it??? i mean, except this one short meeting, on the kurfürstendamm in berlin where scientologie had a stand with books, i never had or have anything to do with them. and to tom cruise, i mean he played the role of gebbels in that movie and i suppose he tried to find out if it works nowdays too! please stop to condemn harmless people, it is not good for the karma, you know!!
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Monday January 21, 2008, 11:45 am
all religion is dangerous ............scientology is banned here in germany due to what is considered a pyramid scheme ...........and there is a letter which was uncovered here that more or less stated scientology was at war with germany ...............BUT THAT SAID I SEE NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND ANY OTHER RELIGION ...............dangerous to human evolution and peace .............
 

BarbCat SunshineLady (1671)
Monday January 21, 2008, 12:00 pm
I am Christian and I believe in Christ. Scientology is nothing but a scam, a scam designed by "Ted" (The evil doer) to drive innocent hearts-away from God-who don't know what to believe in. I believe that Jesus died on the cross to pay for my sins. He gave his life for mine. He gave his life for YOURS. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. He is the only way into Heaven. I may be a fool about some things, but I am no fool when it comes to believing in God and His only Son. I encourage anyone who "thinks" they don't NEED God in their lives or there is NO God to please find a Bible, give God a try.
 

nurith k. (93)
Monday January 21, 2008, 12:04 pm
well 2006, scientologie had a stand with books on the ku-damm, and.. i never read springer, never!! you have to hold that paper horizontal, because if you hold it perpendicular, all the blood will run out and dirty your shoes!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Monday January 21, 2008, 12:10 pm
cate, you do seem to be able to pick the topics that insight the masses...hehehe... has anyone ever been to the scientology compound in california?... some very strange goings on out that way... my sister tells of some pretty hairy stories about people installing equipment that could hardly wait to get off the property...:0(
 

Dave O'Connell MARYLAND (2659)
Monday January 21, 2008, 12:14 pm

The Internal Revenue Services fought for years to deny a religious tax exemption to the Scientologists. It was finally defeated by a coordinated assault by the Scientologists' highly compensated legal team.

Scientology demands large cash fees from its members to participate in "auditing" procedures, and perpetuates such bizarre procedures and connecting them to quack gadgets during interviews and apparent brainwashing.

Like Creflo Dollar, it endorses financial creed and personal gain of members at the expense of the poor and the dispossessed.

L. Ron Hubbard spent time in prison for his discredited criminal conduct.

 

Carol W. (119)
Monday January 21, 2008, 12:30 pm

tom Cruise is gets a clip and very appropriately placed....
I would appreciate it, if you could show that video to everyone who will watch it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yUbPMKRUeU
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Monday January 21, 2008, 12:36 pm
i miss spoke sorry it is illegal to refer to it as a religion here it is considered a business ........but i do not read there papers .............and that is because i am still not able to read at that level in german i have only been here 10 months and am only in my 3 month of german ....so i get my news from various avenues ............online ......
 

Patrick Cardwell (24)
Monday January 21, 2008, 12:49 pm
As we have learned over the years, ANY religion, whether it be Christian, Muslim or, Scientology, is dangerous when the people involved are fanatics about it. The Christian Reich is just as dangerous to me, as any fundamentalist Muslim and I am a Christian.

Any time you have, "it's my way or no way," it is dangerous. Thus far, I have only seen Mr. Cruise defend his belief and not ... repeat NOT tried to get me to join. As a Christian, I am faced with, "You believe in a God ... an unseen force.. prove it" ... to "Jesus as a man... a teacher, but nothing more, you moron." I'll take Mr. Cruise's defense of his beliefs over the Dobson's and others in the Christian world. Jesus I'm very sure would be ashamed of what has come of his movement.
 

Sheila K. (127)
Monday January 21, 2008, 1:15 pm
Yes, did anyone see the clip of an interview Tom Cruise did it aired on 20/20 Friday night. He was ranting and raving about how ONLY Scientologists "know the way". He gave the ridiculous example of a car accident and if a Scientologist were to pass by they would be the ONLY ones to help". I found this to be a ridiculous statement. Also does anyone remember his rantings on the Today show when during his interview he said that "psychiatrists don't know what they're doing and medication for mental disorders don't work". I think his spaceship has left without him.
 

Denice G. (45)
Monday January 21, 2008, 1:44 pm
I truly dislike Tom C. He is not as entitled as he seems to think he is. Sheila is right, his spaceship is gone. Noted
 

Rabbit R. (85)
Monday January 21, 2008, 2:18 pm

I personally don't get it but...that's me. Something I did find odd that was passed to me

Tom Cruise indoctrination video Scientologist's don't want you to see
 

Rabbit R. (85)
Monday January 21, 2008, 2:24 pm

Also I disagree that religions in general are dangerous and nothing good comes from them. My opinion is it's what use you make of the information you get. Just about anything can be distorted and used for bad purposes. Like anything else good can be gotten from it too.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday January 21, 2008, 2:28 pm
Cruise, it seems to me, doesn't rightly understand how to separate the Hollywood from every other aspect in his life. But, when an ego that big appears on the horizon, and when it's fed large portions of what he receives fundaMENTALly and emotionally from Planet Scientology; the snowball is going to keep rolling and become larger and larger. His view of reality is so out of synch with the rest of the world. All that energy directed so outlandishly, discriminately, and irresponsibly.
Elgin, it IS a huge business. Cate, Tom IS a silly one. Sheila, YES...his pod crashed into a boulder.
You know, I wish I would have saved the full info about this group - they are really out there...past the fringe. And unfortunately, it is difiCULT, entirely impossible to find the entire story on the Net. The Scientologists are very good at keeping all the facts unknown, unless you become one. If one of my children started to talk about, you'd better believe I would do everything in my power to change that train of thought. It is a dangerous cult.
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Monday January 21, 2008, 2:29 pm
name something good that religion has done ...............
 

Rabbit R. (85)
Monday January 21, 2008, 2:41 pm

I'm not going to make that list as it would be my opinion only just as your refuting it would be yours. That's not my battle. I can only speak for my own experiences. If it's not good for you doesn't mean it's not good period, or for anyone.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday January 21, 2008, 2:50 pm
Well,...where I live I'm not a member, but am active in a local Unitarian Universalist group and we a part of a social action network helping folks in the community at the homeless shelters, food pantries, resale shops, and soup kitchens. All good works.
 

. (0)
Monday January 21, 2008, 2:51 pm
I have never been a fan of Tom Cruise. His antics have never impressed me and made worse by his antics during the past couple of years.
Noted with thanks, Cate.
 

Carolyn T. (234)
Monday January 21, 2008, 2:57 pm
Noted. At least Cruise wasn't jumping up and down on the furniture in the 20/20 interview. Celebrity and philosophy/religion make strange bedfellows sometimes. Thanks for the story, Cate.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday January 21, 2008, 3:52 pm
Tom Cruise frightens me
 

Pastor Tim Redfern (581)
Monday January 21, 2008, 4:31 pm
I'd never considered the comparison between Tom Cruise
and Josef Goebbels, but it seems to me now that if Cruise
wanted to be Scientology's equivalent of Dr.Goebbels, he
could have the job if he wanted it, and be damned good at
it. Remember, it was Dr.Goebbels who said, "Repeat a lie
often enough and loud enough, and people will believe it
to be the truth.
But, also, let's for a moment consider the founder of
Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard.
Hubbard was a confidence-man who began his career writing
old-west novels of the Zane Grey variety, using the pen name
"Winchester Remington Colt". When he became an abject failure
at being a novelist, he dreamed up "Dianetics", and it's been
some dubious history ever since.
Some of us here are old enough to remember Werner Erhard, the
founder of "EST" (Erhard Seminar Training) in the early-mid
70's? He, too, was a con-amn cut from the same cloth as Hubbard.
Before founding "EST". Erhard (not his real name) was a used car
salesman. 'Nuff said?
Thanks, Cate.
noted.
 

Trevor Sherry (50)
Monday January 21, 2008, 5:24 pm
Please T.C. get out ov ma face via the media.
You may b a great actor but that was over the top and so stupidly ugly.
What were you on?
 

Past Member (0)
Monday January 21, 2008, 7:11 pm
Scientology is a bogus religion and Tom Cruise is over the edge and should stick to acting which he used to do best. Don't know now. Have not seen him in anything lately. All I can remember is Tom Cruise the hot dog jet plane pilot. Oh well, the stars always seem to go off the edge somewhere.
 

Kathy Chadwell (367)
Monday January 21, 2008, 8:13 pm
Noted with thanks Cate
Cruise is a control freak. And scientology is a money making self proclaimed religion.
Unearthing Scientology | Points in Case

http://www.pointsincase.com/columns/david/2-19-06.htm
For a long time now, I’ve been utterly fascinated by cults
First of all, The Scientology people did a great job with their name. The word “Scientology” reads like a labored effort to sound intelligent despite a noticeable lack of substance. Kind of like how fast food chains promise that their deep-fried, cheese-slathered foods are filled with essential vitacins and nutrimites. According to Wikipedia, “Scientology” technically means “the study of knowledge.” Impressive, but I’m sure that’s in the same vein as “Hulkamania” technically meaning a state of hysteria brought about by the presence of wrestling icon/steroid goblin Hulk Hogan. In other words, define the word as scienticiously as you want, but only a goddamn idiot is going to take it seriously.

Prior to my secret reconnaissance mission, I decided to take stock of my Scientology knowledge, in case anyone doubted me. Here’s what I know: Scientology was invented by science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard. I don’t know what the “L” stands for, but I like to imagine his first name is “Lamar,” like the gay black guy from Revenge of the Nerds. I also know that Tom Cruise is a prominent member, and that he danced around in his underpants in the movie Risky Business. It dawned on me that I apparently knew a great deal more about movies from 1984 than the international organization I was planning to infiltrate. It was time to hit the books.

It's a long article
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Monday January 21, 2008, 10:04 pm
SEE RABBIT CAROL S REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING GOOD RELIGION has done................BUT PEOPLE SAY THIS AND THAT ABOUT TOM CRUISE .........WHEN THE WAY he and other scientologist act is the same as any other religion ........so if his is bad yours is bad ............. AND THIS IS HOW IT STARTS "MY WAY IS BETTER " and if you aint got that in ya then ya aint got faith and honestly thats a good thing if ya aint
 

Rabbit R. (85)
Monday January 21, 2008, 10:57 pm

I see that is Carol's prerogative to decide if she wishes to do that or not just as it is mine not to.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday January 21, 2008, 11:09 pm
Where was this guy in comparing Rush Limbaugh? How about Sean Hannidy(sic)? And the real threat to global peace? World Markets are crashing, as the DOW will tomorrow. Check out the Doomsday Legislation from 2005. Or the Presidential Directives in the event of a catastrophe, including financial. The story is a distraction, a typical slight of hand move, from the REAL Nazi threat. Elections in November? Hah!
 

Ben Tran (11)
Tuesday January 22, 2008, 3:59 am
Hear me people! Let Tom Cruise believes what he wants, and I let you believe what you want! T.C. believes in Scientology, you believe in God, and only I know what I'm believing in. You can be opinionated, wise, stupid, smart, hot looking, and judgmental, but don't hate a man for he has different believes and opinions than you. If you think he is wrong, it's all good, if he asks you for what's right, answers... If he don't ask you for your help, and you think he is drunk, and want him to stop drinking those strong wines, he will never stop... No drunkards can help themselves to stop drinking wine because they're in it... Only they can help themselves to get off the wine. In short, Tom Cruise is buy into Scientology, and if you talk bad about him, it's not going to help him or you. Not everyone believe in Scientology, and not everyone believe in God, Buddhist, Allah, and so on. I think it's best let him be him, and we be we! :)
 

Patrick Cardwell (24)
Tuesday January 22, 2008, 5:02 am
I realize this group has a tendency to kind of pile up on the popular view. I guess I march to a different drummer.

I just watched this video and I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. I saw 9 minutes of a man who believes in what he doing. How is he any different than a Wiccan, Christian, Muslim, or anyone who with a strong belief in a principle, religion, or an idea!

Let's don't tear someone apart because they may have a different idea, SO LONG as it does not infringe upon your personal beliefs. So far as the connection to the Nazis ... BS!! is my answer. Hitler, Goebbels, or anyone from that era were masters of speech. I am a public speaker... or have been .. and I suppose I could be compared to those people also. They were fantastic in gathering their crowds into one thought and holding them mesmerised for hours at a time.

Mr. Cruise believes in his Scientology experience. I just wish more people in this country had a belief ... were leaders instead of followers. Perhaps .. maybe ... possibly we wouldn't be in the shape we are right now! Either lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way!

Patrick
 

shazuka L. (0)
Tuesday January 22, 2008, 6:15 am
In the positive about him I would think that he truly is trying to better himself and those around him. I think that somewhere along the line Scientology must have clicked with him and therefore helped him in his life, that must have happened or he wouldn't have become such an outspoken person for this Religion. However, I think in the full footage it comes across as if only Scientologists have the power and the answers and there doesn't seem to be the comprehension or exchange that in all walks of life, in all different ways people are contributing to life, some more able than others, but ultimately all life is sacred.
I would say that the language which is spoken in the footage is very forceful and the words chosen and how they are spoken are intense. This is probably just his way of speaking, only he knows his truth. However, watching various Scientologists on youtube clips (BBC Doco Scientology and Me) shows that they are very intimidating towards people who question Scientology.
As for his views or shall I say their views on
psychiatry I would say that there are many different methods to help people in life at different times of their lives and each has to choose the way which is effective and helps and makes sense to them individually. Psychiatry does work, but just like Religion or many "tools" people have available to them - it is the way these tools are used which defines whether or not it has a negative or positive result.
There are numerous negative experiences which people have encountered with Scientology documented to read across the internet, this in itself is enough to understand that there are problem areas. This is not to take away any good that it may have done, but still warrants some caution and clear headedness, again the same could be applied to other modes of authority.
I don't think that Tom Cruise deserves to be treated unkindly, I think a good place to start is in trying to understand and I have read many comments which are quite harsh towards him personally. This video footage seems to have been leaked for the sole purpose of bringing him down or ridiculing him.
Being a Scientologists event it seems that it has been released from within the Organisation.
Someone also said a few posts down tell me something good that has come out of Religion, Well that answer for me would be Mother Teresa, understanding, compassionate, kind, loving, generous, gentle!
 

shazuka L. (0)
Tuesday January 22, 2008, 6:16 am
In the positive about him I would think that he truly is trying to better himself and those around him. I think that somewhere along the line Scientology must have clicked with him and therefore helped him in his life, that must have happened or he wouldn't have become such an outspoken person for this Religion. However, I think in the full footage it comes across as if only Scientologists have the power and the answers and there doesn't seem to be the comprehension or exchange that in all walks of life, in all different ways people are contributing to life, some more able than others, but ultimately all life is sacred.
I would say that the language which is spoken in the footage is very forceful and the words chosen and how they are spoken are intense. This is probably just his way of speaking, only he knows his truth. However, watching various Scientologists on youtube clips (BBC Doco Scientology and Me) shows that they are very intimidating towards people who question Scientology.
As for his views or shall I say their views on
psychiatry I would say that there are many different methods to help people in life at different times of their lives and each has to choose the way which is effective and helps and makes sense to them individually. Psychiatry does work, but just like Religion or many "tools" people have available to them - it is the way these tools are used which defines whether or not it has a negative or positive result.
There are numerous negative experiences which people have encountered with Scientology documented to read across the internet, this in itself is enough to understand that there are problem areas. This is not to take away any good that it may have done, but still warrants some caution and clear headedness, again the same could be applied to other modes of authority.
I don't think that Tom Cruise deserves to be treated unkindly, I think a good place to start is in trying to understand and I have read many comments which are quite harsh towards him personally. This video footage seems to have been leaked for the sole purpose of bringing him down or ridiculing him.
Being a Scientologists event it seems that it has been released from within the Organisation.
Someone also said a few posts down tell me something good that has come out of Religion, Well that answer for me would be Mother Teresa, understanding, compassionate, kind, loving, generous, gentle!
 

shazuka L. (0)
Tuesday January 22, 2008, 6:17 am
Oop Sorry I posted twice
 

Tsandi Crew (95)
Tuesday January 22, 2008, 7:06 am
Anyone is free to believe in whatever myth they want, be it science fiction, the mayan end of the world thing, or some pope's quest for power and gold. So long as they don't have to fight and kill over it.

People in Germany seem to me to be very sensitive to any slightest leaning to a repeat of WW2. A speach writer for Willy Brandt came to my class in college one day, back in 1973, and was so defensive that she couldn't answer my question about the German all volunteer army. It was at a time when our own draft was being ended and our own army becoming all volunteer. Her answer to my question was to reasure us that the German army was nothing like the army of Hitler etc. etc.

Therefore, it makes sense to me that if someone in Germany doesn't like someone they would compare that person to a war criminal, just as we would compare someone to the shrub if we didn't like someone.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday January 22, 2008, 9:06 am
More propaganda than anything ! IMO !
While I don't believe in Scientolgy as I also don't believe in Mormanizim because there both based on irrational beliefs as their foundation but I do agree with what Tom Cruise said about Psychiatry and ADD & ADHD and the drugs used to treat these so called diseases not to mention the over use of all drugs in this society when our bodies are designed to heal itself with proper diet and exercise !
Doesn't anyone think as I do that we lived without these diseases before Psychiatry came along with these so called diagnoses and question why is that ? Look how the numbers has risen so high for children diagnosed with ADD and ADHD .Certainly somethings wrong with that picture! These children in my opinion are nothing more than either victims of diets high in sugar or having an allergic reaction to some foods or they are simply children who just have an abundance of energy and no outlet to use it up ,,in short they are bored !
 

Melissa J B. (12)
Tuesday January 22, 2008, 9:44 am
He's kinda scary...
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Tuesday January 22, 2008, 10:28 am
psychiatrist prescribe the medication LINDA ...................the rest of us listen and try and get people to work out their issues ..................and as with ever other specialist and or doctor get multi opinions ...................our bodies are not all made to heal themselves .............and this is one of the dangers of scientology as well as the rest of the anti medi as i like to call these cults ................NOT THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ADULTS CHOOSING TO FOLLOW ANY PATH AS LONG AS IT HARMS NEITHER ME OR MINE ............AND ALL THE DATA WE READ HERE ON CARE2 AND IN THE REAL WORLD IS SOMEONES PROPAGANDA
 

O O O. (139)
Tuesday January 22, 2008, 1:37 pm
What one calls something has no bearing,or should not have a bearing on what is doen or how.
I agree with what Rabbit said.
All have the Right to belive as they will,or the non beliver of this is the same as anyone eles,trying to force otheres to belive in their Way alone.
Cruse like others,is not "harmless",but is like all others. Know,both who & what you are dealing with. When this is fact,THEN,he his the same level as anyone else& so then alone is harmless.
If they attempt to conceal,they are not harmless,nor operateing on an even playing feild.

Carol,there are people,that do take excpetion to what your type group does& how it does it,or even if they should do,or should be allowed to do that type of work. Though i do agree,yours does help people,there are those not seeing it that way,even for that.

Fanatisim:One persons fanatisim is the others merely getting something done-perserver,or lose out& there is nothing wrong with that,unless force is used or hideing things.

Free thinking people,do as they will& will also leave,if so inclinded.

Just becasue they may gain a large following,is not wrong,just becasue you may not agree to what they belive or do,so long as they do not impose themselves upon others.
 

. (0)
Wednesday January 23, 2008, 4:32 am
I AGREE WITH ANJA.
 

Patrick Cardwell (24)
Wednesday January 23, 2008, 4:54 am
AMEN Ms O and Shazuka,

This is a man who at least believes in Something! Somebody wrote, what does religion do for you? The answer is simple. It gives you something in which to believe! People who have nothing in which to believe seem to be lost and miserable. Not all, but most that I know personally. They are bitter ... angry... and confused.

I am not saying everybody needs to be a Christian. I am saying everybody needs something in which to believe... to draw strength and a hope for a better tomorrow. Tom Cruise has that. A zealot ... maybe ... a believer... definitely. He has found happiness in his search for reason and truth. I, for one, am happy for him, just as I am happy for Christians, real Muslims, and others who have found what they are looking for in a "religion" of their choice.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 23, 2008, 5:50 am
I read the book awhile ago and thought that it was a great self help tool. I do not see it as a religion. I do think it helps to empower people. I only used what i needed from it then i put the book down.
 

Scott Shaubel (816)
Wednesday January 23, 2008, 10:44 am
Possibly My last comment.
Watch these 2 videos I made.
Thank you George! - 3:40 min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-CaOiPIaTM
Revolution! - 9:57 min.
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That's my comment.
That's my message.
TTL,
Scott
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 23, 2008, 12:57 pm
I think Tom Cruise is seriously off his nut. I am no fan of Scientology either. When I was in high school, the Scientoligists bought a huge hotel in Clearwater Florida, and for kicks we would drive down there to see the men on the roof with the machine guns. You could tell them from anyone else, as they all dressed the same, and if you asked them the time, they would silently steer away from you. Very eerie group. And any religion can become far from what it was originaly intended to be and do because in every group there is corruption and greed. I despise Televangelists. I am a Christian, but I quit going to Church because I beleive Christ taught Love, not fire and brimstone 24/7. And the Lord was not constantly asking for money for the unending "building fund" most Churches have. I believe what I believe and worship my God by how I live my life and in the privacy of my own home. All we can do is try to live our lives the best we can, do what our heart tells us, and try not to hurt anyone.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday January 23, 2008, 1:01 pm
Bravo, Julie! I enjoyed reading your posted message very, very much!

 

Dave Kane (308)
Thursday January 24, 2008, 12:22 pm
Can't wait for his fellow aliens to come and bring him back to his home planet -- g'bye tommy boy, time to go home imho ; )
 

O O O. (139)
Thursday January 24, 2008, 1:20 pm
Julie is describeing Chureanity,nor Christianity nor any other Religion-that is a bussness enterprise covering itslef in others names,based on whatever good those othres may do for some.
 

Jennie B. (14)
Thursday January 24, 2008, 8:29 pm
I think Tommy needs some of the psychiatric help he is so against, but of course I agree with his right not to use any drug therapy or therapy of any kind - as if the "therapy he's paying thousands of dollars for (Scientology is not for the poor) isn't a type of "therapy" - it's keeping him from totally wigging out - or is it? When he acts like he did on Oprah's show where he jumped on the couch and off and acted - oh, about 10 years old. I'd say he's either bipolar or ADHD, but then he doesn't have to bother with those terms - he can just live what he is and more power to him with psychiatry where it is today, scientology may be as helpful as anyting else in keeping him "stable" - that remains to be seen. It certainly is costing him but he can afford it. And it appeals to him to work through the Scientology ranks and be "important." He likes "showing off" and so acting like he does is something he probably has little control over as he has learned few coping skills for whatever is going on with him. People make their choices. Although I am a social worker and I believe therapy can work I believe it's not the therapist that makes it work, so much as the person who is doing all the work - the one who wants the help or wants to make a change. I'm simply a facilitator..I don't prescribe drugs and I happen to think we are in the medieval ages in regard to what we knowabout drugs and the brain. We are getting closer but we still know so little about what drug works well with which brain and condition. I don't want to be a psychiatrist -they are banished to live in their DSMIVs and diagnosis every moment of the day - I've only been to one who did therapy on the couch and I found it very unhelpful. There is no one answer for anyone as to handling mental illness anymore than to handling physical illnesses. I think working w/people is an honor and a gift and since every person is constantly growing and changing what worked last month may be useless next year. That's all right. Just being a safe environment in which to facilitate growth when a person is ready is wonderful, but no one can make anyone do anything. The psychiatric medical model to "curing" mental illness is not perfect by far - I am always looking for ideas and new theories to test in working w/people because it's the strangest things that work sometimes. Often the unplanned is the best approach - I am WITH someone when I work with them. Whatever helps Tom more power to him, but he doesn't appear to be all right to me. He appears to be agitated and hypervigilant. He needs help, but he's a grown up - he has to decide what he wants to do about that. I don't really care. I don't think that Scientology is a religion - there is no core religious belief there unless its in oneself perhaps - but it's parades as a religion to get money contributions. It is more a cult and that has worked well to it's advantage. Nothing said about it interests me in the least. I dont need to lean on tapes, CDS and moving up levels to reach Nirvana - or whatever this "religion" wannabee calls it. I am a Christian but feel no need to make anyone believe what I believe or to expect anyone to think like I do - I respect all religions - God is God and I do not believe him to be a cruel hateful one who punishes people for picking the "wrong" God particularly when one grows up in a culture that has a totally different religion. There are many paths to God. And God is love - The New Testament changed the tone of Christianity or we would all be in the old religion - our God is not Yaweh - he is God the father of Jesus who is a kind good man not a militant killer warrier who goes after those who think different from HIM. We Christians can't have it both ways. Jesus as he is described is a good man, a forgiving man full of kindness, gentleness and non-judgmental so how does the opporsite of these characteristics fit into Christianity at all? They don't. Period. To try to be Judgmental, war-like, hate-filled, unforgiving, and cruel is not Christian - period. It's not like Jesus so how could it be. Anyway, Christianity could simplify and benefit by it. TC could use some of the help he's so afraid of because he's just a nut that's embarassing to watch - so I don't. And he's old news....Noted.
 

Susan H. (199)
Saturday January 26, 2008, 4:42 pm
I also think Tom needs help,if things were not to go his way what would happen??? I think he is a nut case!
Thanks Cate!
 

Shirley Shaw (44)
Monday January 28, 2008, 9:01 am
Im just worried about his Wife and Daughter, Cults are horrible. They will destroy the family unit , I hope she can get out when she has the chanch , the way he talks is down right out scary to me! Been there and done that! I got out running! And I did lose my family to it, but at leaste Saten didnt get one more! Just hope the two gets out with out head trips, cause it does do a number on you. !
 

Patrick Cardwell (24)
Tuesday January 29, 2008, 4:06 am
Hi SbirleyAnn,

I have written before and ask anyone to explain why Scientology is a cult when being a Wiccan, or other non-mainstream organization is ok? I do not subscribe to Scientology nor its tenants, but from what I have seen, even Mr. Cruise's outburst on, what was it 20/20 or one of the morning shows, he simply believes in what he practices. He has not hurt any one, except perhaps himself. Most know it is a money making machine hiding behind the tax laws for religious organizations.

Let's all sit back and ... relax .. let the man live his life. If it were you or I, nobody would think a thing about it.
 

O O O. (139)
Tuesday January 29, 2008, 12:25 pm
One may Guide another,especaily family,but if not a minor,one can NOT ORDER anything,or one is themselves a problem.
So long as he or they,do nothing againest anothers Will,i agree with P.C.
 
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