Saturday February 16, 2008, 9:49 am
UGH...and Brits call themselves civilized...they're right down here in the mud with us Yanks!

Saturday February 16, 2008, 10:03 am
Cate, I would not make such a sweeping statement about any nation & whilst I know some hateful YANKS ... I am also very pleased to know some BEAUTIFUL AMERICAN'S .... Please do not tar us all with the same brush, I will be following up this story because I am totally degusted and as a Brit we be wanting some answers from "the powers that be"

Saturday February 16, 2008, 10:25 am
Please don't jump me now for saying this. I can understand from a certain view point why they would allow this. More and more kids are being violent, they join gangs and such. But even though i can understand why they would consider it. I can't belive they actually passed it and said OK Tase the kids too now. I don't agree with it at all but can understand why they would consider it.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 10:27 am
Noted and outraged! Thanks, (((Cate)))

Saturday February 16, 2008, 10:39 am

Producing and controlling a slave population requires threats of ''hell'' and jail.
The learther whips and crucifictions have been replaced.

Ancient Romans would show their slaves the ''instruments of torture''.
Our rulers show slaves their Taser.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 10:46 am
hi cate thanks noted,britain,is the most civilised contry in the world well i got ta say that arnt i lol,but yer the police are to heavy handed with the kids and ita not on.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 10:52 am
Tasers on kids, pregnant women! Tasers should be outlawed! Tasers have killed and caused over 220 deaths in USA alone. These weapons are not safe. They are lethal weapons.

"Home Office Police Minister Tony McNulty said medical assessments had confirmed the risk of death or serious injury from Tasers was "low". But he failed to mention Government advisers had also warned of a potential risk to children."

TY, Cate.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 10:55 am
Cate,I cannot ay anything that bad about anyon,it is not my nature.I will however I will say this: Kids now days(like another person said) are very violent,but at the same time,I believe it has alot t do with both their parents & they way they were brouht up & alo the bad guys on the streets,that branwash some of them int believing tere is No GOD & the music that is written about satin & the language & all that some of the songs say about violence to lead some to think it is ok & they wil resort to that also for protection.It is the authority figures,that have the job of being examples for the kids,not to b non-caring parents who will not take the time to teach their kids what they need to know,to get by in the everyday world(it is a hard & tough world out there today)So I believe it is a combination of things.I also belive it is a tradgedy that people of a kind,whatever race or religion can treat kids the way they do.Grown ups are suppose to be guiding the children,not harming them.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 11:05 am
noted sadly that it has to come to this

Saturday February 16, 2008, 11:16 am
From what I heard Britain is a very damp countyry, so you can multiply the odds a hundred fold , of having accidental youth deaths caused by the use of Tazzers . In the USA, Tazeers were used on a victim standing in water , guess what ? he died....

Saturday February 16, 2008, 11:20 am
It was sad when the bobby started carrying a handgun. For use in children; this is worse. I recommend parliament offering Home Office Police Minister Tony McNulty and his children be permitted to be on the receiving end of tests. Should be no problem, we think they're safe. Mostly sure anyway.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 11:20 am
So, who the hell ever said the Brits
are civilized?...anymore than Americans
are civilized? Brits and Americans are
likely to be remembered as the among
the most brutal of societies.
Tasering children, oh my God and Goddess!
There can be no excuse, no reasoning for
this. When adults are reduced to using
violence against children (or ANYONE, for
that matter!), those adults have well and
truly lost control.
noted w/disgust.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 11:31 am
Noted with horror Cate

Saturday February 16, 2008, 11:35 am
I agree with all of you disgusting! This is incredible!

Saturday February 16, 2008, 11:38 am
noted

Saturday February 16, 2008, 11:42 am
I think the news report is too lightly dealt with; even if the law is passed, I don't think for a moment that police will go around "amusing themselves" tasering children or pregnan women. Besides, aren't some "children" (of what age are we talking about?) worst and more dangerous then many adults? Would not you, americans, praised the police if, tasering the youngster that brought havoc into school grounds, they could have stoped the murder of so many inocent students and teachers?

Saturday February 16, 2008, 11:43 am
Again, Cate, Police State not just in the usa. The Brits are no different than us. But to Tj H I am an American first & an Irish American second. But the Irish had a saying that had to do with the British saying of "The Sun Never sets on the British Empire" [Irish finish] & The Blood Never Dried". Down with the PIGS!!!
And for all you cop`s out there, ~What goes around comes Around~!!! John W. Blalock. Make sure ya pig`s spell it right. Tim R. keep up the Fight!!!

Saturday February 16, 2008, 12:35 pm
Noted with anger. Have they always been this barbaric? What is this world coming to?

Saturday February 16, 2008, 12:49 pm
Thank You Cate ~Horrfic & Shocking Story!!! My Head is Spinning, Children, have been taken away from their
Parents, for tying a string around their tooth and Slamming the Door! to remove a Loose Tooth! Now its, Child Abuse??? How can the Police have this Power to { Kill Children } World Gone Mad?

Saturday February 16, 2008, 1:31 pm
noted...

Saturday February 16, 2008, 1:42 pm
The Government scientists were also asked to test whether the weapons could cause a miscarriage if used on a pregnant woman.
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But he failed to mention Government advisers had also warned of a potential risk to children."
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#1 Americia has beem exporting for some time now,Gang Bangers,& the professional,if you can call it that,Ciminal as Way of Life,children,who are not truely childeren:And regrefuly,yes,they respect no one eaker than they,so this is quite properly,a way to Deal With-That Type creture deguise as a child.
The current system does NOT allow a parent to deal with a child as needs be,so one can not then hold this againet the parent.
The "justice system" also is fully to blame when it knowingly releases these back into socitey& does not even deal well with them inside i's own system(s).
#2 These must be first tested & do not allow them to fail to test for slim or short,or pre bad helath adults as well.
#3 He committed an offense,perhaps,if his "oversight"is deliberate. IF,it is,this also needs to be dealt with upon him& any other that took part in it.
#4 scientists were also asked to test pregnant women! NO WAY AT ANY TIME-becaue they will just use it,#1 Regardless #2 Use the test results to achive the "ends desired" in later confrontations,includeing those in prisons when they do not aloow a women to bear her child,for what ever reason,includeing "becasue We Say So.."
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Big Difference i see none here have picked up on,is an immeadate,unrestraind use of these by NON Specailest units-no pre training nessary,let alone the extra training those others might ave claimed to have had.
"GENERAL USE:All the time,everywhere-as in Amereica-Precription for abuse& disastor.
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Two things i see in this article are particuarly disterbing:The increase in power of these units,as this is higher voltage than the old ones.#2 looking at this unit:It fires four rounds without reload,which is double the current American units!
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There is info missing here,:The number of rounds is now doubled,so,just what is the range of fire for these units,has this doubled also,as the old units range was around 18 feet.
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Because Europe is about to have all of America's so called anti terrest laws enacted within the EC,vote on this has now started to be asked for,this now will re jump the pound to taser American childeren in places they have not done so yet.
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Because this is being done altogether at both places(the major 1st World civilized places),same times,same things-againest a so called gov.'s own People's-this is most clearly both proof it is going to,actively,quickly& now more openly,& denotes the shape of Things To Come,as the One World Government.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 1:45 pm
Tasers everywhere should be destroyed and thrown in the dump.
brenda

Saturday February 16, 2008, 1:46 pm
REVENGE:Of the People,aginest the Criminal governments,LOL-RotF!!-When this Criminal fires-you will hurt,yes,but So will IT! LOL!-Look what this idiot is wearing& yes it will MATTER! LOL-O.J.T.! In SPADES,though sorry,it will not spade it!

Saturday February 16, 2008, 1:57 pm
Sorry Cate, we can't feel high & mighty unless you all stoop to our level!;) The really sillly thing here in the good ol' USA is that you can be prosecuted for Spanking a kid, but police can shoot that same kid & get away with it.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 2:06 pm
John ... Very old history, Which blood would you like to talk about ? That of the innocents killed by the IRA in pub bombings maybe?? as I said Very Old History & thankfully things are far better now thx to alot of hard work on both sides ..... I would no more slander the Irish people than I would the American & it was Cate herself who used the term Yank, Please lets not make things personal, it is quite un-nessacery & unconnected to the issue which was raised. Just because I am British doesn't mean I support it's Goverment or it's policies, the CROWN still affords me the right to ask WHY & HOW the use of these TAZERS will be applied and these questions WILL BE ASKED !!!

Saturday February 16, 2008, 2:27 pm
A taser on kids....come on people.......who will be the next victims? No one is saying anything against the Brits...just the idea that this is indeed being done. CRAZY!!!!!!!!!

Saturday February 16, 2008, 2:35 pm
Noted with disgust. Thanks Cate.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 2:49 pm
"Don't tase me bro"! I could never figure out why we Americans" threw the Brits out of here. Now I know..Their police can never be compared to ours! Ours dump parapeligics from their wheelchairs, strip a female victim naked and leave her on display in her jail cell, murder their nine month pregnant girlfriend and dump her body in the woods all the while leaving their two year old toddler alone in the house for over 24 hours, kill one wife and have another one disappear, ..but now I begin to ramble...Top that Brits..Now I can go back to the American "waterboard" torture with the suspension of Habeus Corpus, and universal spying on the American citizens without cause. I'm so pleased we "kicked" the Brits out so we could go about setting up OUR ideal democracy that we can now force on people everywhere. All we ask in return is their natural resources for the American patriots.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 2:50 pm
American kids are next & more wholesale. Not so much for those truely needing it naturaly!

Saturday February 16, 2008, 3:44 pm
Noted. I am having great difficulty in taking this in at the moment...my mind just cannot wrap itself around it, let alone do any type of analysis. I am "stunned"--and yes, I chose that word purposely. Important story, Cate.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 3:59 pm
Noted.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 4:14 pm
Noted, and,well it's better than Bullets

Saturday February 16, 2008, 4:31 pm
we here know that we are in a police state, dna taken,fingerprints taken,AT SCHOOL now to see this does not and should not suprise anyone who lives here, there are no friendly "bobbies"any more and there will soon be a lot of trouble on the streets the laxation of drink laws is only one of the trip wires set by this govt. they must be stopped but how!!!

Saturday February 16, 2008, 5:05 pm
Gun and knife crime are rife on city streets in the Uk. Every week we hear of more and more teenages killed. The police have got to have the means to disarm those who are armed without using fatal force. The Tasers might just be one option available to police officers dealing with what has become a fact of life.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 6:03 pm
Absolutely disgusting...I'm speechless...

Saturday February 16, 2008, 9:32 pm
So wrong.:( :( :(

Saturday February 16, 2008, 9:50 pm

We see time and again cops using them when there is absolutely no reason or excuse to use them..

Taser was busted hiding evidence they were dangerous and not telling cops the danger.

How much you want to bet there are thousands of moron cops just drooling at the idea of now being able to tase kids and maybe even pregnant women.

Look at this quote from the article:

"It recommended that officers should be "particularly vigilant" for any Taser-induced adverse response."

Now, what good is it going to do when they shoot someone and the person has a heart attack and they are standing there staring at the person? We all saw that video from just a few days ago where those creeps in uniform dumped a paraplegic out of his wheelchair and there's even one creep cop grinning about it on the video.

That's what the majority of cops are now....drones who have been trained from day one to control people and
serve and obey the government and corporations and illegal and unconstitutional laws. And now we are supposed to believe that because they are told to be "particularly vigilant" for any Taser-induced adverse response that we all are safer?

What a pathetic joke.

The US and UK and various other parts of the world are an embarrassment to humanity.

A few years ago I was stopped when I was walking down the sidewalk at night. The only reason the cop gave was that it was late and he thought that was sufficient cause to stop me. I told him that he should be protecting people and not harassing people. He said he wasn't harassing and I said to be stopped and detained by a government agent with a gun when there is no probably cause is harassment and he was a perfect example of a system turned upside down and not having the slightest clue whatsoever.

He said I sounded paranoid.

I countered with the fact that just a few days before then they system had let an extremely violent man out on "furlough" (I kid you not, they actually called it furlough) and that man proceeded to go to his girlfriend's house and chop off her head on Valentines day.

I asked him why there were no cops that fought his release. I asked him why no cops since then had said the system needs to be changed. I asked him why no cops pushed for an investigation into the release of a violent
man who had said he would kill if released. I then asked him if that woman would think the system is ridiculously backwards----that is if her head had not been cut off---and he didn't have an answer.

I mentioned that he could contact the FOP and they could and should push Congress about making laws to keep violent people off the streets and quit clogging up jails and they system with non violent offenders and he could contact the prosecutor and the judge and the parole board if he actually wanted to do his job.

But apparently he was too busy stopping adults walking down a public sidewalk.

Saturday February 16, 2008, 10:39 pm
No one is immune to this worldwide war on all of us. To tazer children, NO! Noted, thanks Cate.

Sunday February 17, 2008, 2:37 am
How very sad that they'd even consider such a practice.

Sunday February 17, 2008, 4:28 am
Another knee-jerk decision! What kind of training are law enforcement people getting these days that, with back-up, any one or several together cannot subdue a 'child'. We are having the same overzealous intrusions in Canada, when a group of 3 and 4 security CANNOT subdue an adult - and this was a medically challenged adult! Ridiculous. Tasers should be outlawed - their only use being good for wild animals on the rampage.

Sunday February 17, 2008, 4:36 am
This is an ongoing process. First they force women out to work leaving their children in others hands, then they publicize shocking stories in the media about teenagers killing other teenagers and now adults. The public are being brainwashed into accepting this to 'protect' society.
But hang on. The police are highly trained in self defence!! How come they get to carry deadly weapons against little people when the ordinary folks on the street are not allowed to carry any from of self-defence like MACE!!
If someone DOES defend themselves, even in their own home they face charges too!!!
I used to have respect for out British bobbies but not any more. Thats the problem I think a lot of people have lost respect for them. Do they deserve respect? I don't think so........
And give over with the Brits bashing! We don't like it any more than you do and who started tazing first?

Sunday February 17, 2008, 5:25 am
Tasers, with theexcruciating pain they cause, are instruments of torture.

Fuck the police.

Sunday February 17, 2008, 5:46 am
There is no such thing as a "safe" means of applying force - anything from a slap on the wrist to a nuclear device can potentially kill someone.
What we should ask is whether a tool like the taser is worse than the alternatives like clubs, pepper spray,
locking holds, guns etc. Except for pepper spray, I know of cases where they all have proven fatal - accidets will always happen - the perpetrator moves so he is clubbed in the head instead of the arm as intended, the perpetrator has a weak heart and suffers a heart attack due to a judo hold that would't harm a healthy individual etc.
Should juvenile, pregnant, elderly, weak etc. perpetrators just be left alone because stopping their criminal behaviour could harm them ?

Sunday February 17, 2008, 5:47 am
You want to stop kids being unethical and violent? Using state violence to stop youth violence does not increase the peace, it does not increase social harmony and happiness. It only creates a climate of fear, and does not stop the violence.

If you are genuine about wanting to stop youth violence, then you will make your society more equal and tolerant of diversity - because inequality and prejudice generates violence. And you will teach kids how to behave by the example of your own way of life. You will treat kids with respect, treating them democratically, not in authoritarian ways. I mean talking with them as equals, and using praise and other rewards to influence their behaviour, rather than punishment and the threat of punishment.

And stop giving them unethical and violent role models. E.g. don't elect or support a government that invades other countries, like Iraq, and kills hundreds of thousands of people. I suggest you watch "Bowling for Columbine" CAREFULLY. And read "Families and How to Survive Them" and "Life and How to Survive It" by John Cleese and Robin Skynner. And use your brain. If you want to go further into it, then I recommend that you study psychology.

Sunday February 17, 2008, 7:47 am
First, thank you Cate, noted...next, I am not for authorative ways of dealing with our children, especially using forceful tactics...So, Simon...I am in complete agreement with all of what you said..thank you my friend...I have always said to gain the youths confidence, you must be on their level, and listen to what they have to say..treat them with respect and rather than punishing them...teach them...Teach the children well, or they will become more violent, as violence is put on them. And no Threats...just love and compassion works really good..understanding where they are coming from, giving them a chance to voice their opinion, then maybe the police in any country, no matter where it is, will not have to resort to such forceful things as pepper spray, or the taser gun..I am so very againgst the Taser guns...they not only jolt the hell out of person, but have been known to kill people...So, that kind of force against a teenager is unjustified!...There are many other options to use, if they are gang members, get a group leader to teach them the right way..In peaceful ways..to treat each other, rather than fighting against one another, there is no need to fight each other..love is the way..and helping one another. All children & teenagers need guidance, love and understanding, they are quite impressionable at their age. If we teach them good things, then only good will come from it..
Tasering is the wrong way to teach them, violence breeds violence, hatred breeds hatred...Remember that.
Many blessings out to all in the Universe...
FreeSpiritRunning...

Sunday February 17, 2008, 7:52 am
Noted and very saddened.

Sunday February 17, 2008, 7:55 am
Bush has spread fear and terror all over the world. In 2006 shortly after the London Tubes were bombed British police shot to death in broad daylight a Middle East man whom they believed was part of the terrorist group who bombed the tubes, but it turned out he was a student who just happened to be wearing a similar back pack, or ruck pack as they are called in England, and no one was ever brought to justice for this senseless overreactive murder of an innocent man. The terror alret had Bush's fingerprints all over it.

Noted with thanks.

Sunday February 17, 2008, 8:01 am
So we should kiss and cuddle the criminals instead of stopping them ? How would you then prevent the victims to organize vigilante "justice" and take over instead of having a society governed by law ?

If you are not prepared to use force when necesary (or have others do it for you) you will never have peace - you woud be the slave of those who are willing to use force.

There will always be assholes who desire to beat up/steel from/vandalize property of/harras others - even among those who were the most belowed and well treated ones in their childhod. If there is no police THEY will be the "police".

Sunday February 17, 2008, 8:48 am
One of the things we studied in college psychology back in the 70's is the personality of people who take certain jobs. For instance, why do certain people want to be policemen, why do certain people want to be prison guards, what is it in their personalities that make them apply for those particular jobs?

I think it's bad enough to give them guns. But as soon as you give them something they can hurt someone with but tell them it wont injur them, you have started an obvious problem that any thinking person would have forseen. . .it was really really stupid to give anyone in the position of policeman a tool like a taser. It gives that person the opportunity to take out all kinds of frustration on another human being in a torturous way.

I mean, this is a really, abject stupid move on the part of authorities to give a tool like this to personalities like this.

Sunday February 17, 2008, 9:04 am
Over 220 deaths from taser use in the US (Thanks Jim for the #s). Human stupidity NEVER fails to amaze me!!

Sunday February 17, 2008, 10:56 am
You still haven't done the risk analysis - without that you may be demanding a change, that will cause more accidental deaths.
What is the total number of taser use ?
If a taser hadn't been available what would have been the alternative tool ?
What would be the expected number of fatalities be if the alternatives had been used ?

If e.g. it was determined that the alternative tools, would have caused 1000 expected fatalities
instead of the 220 - then how would you defend not using tasers ?

Sunday February 17, 2008, 11:21 am
Hey Carl,
Regardless of the freakin numbers man, they are using the TASERS, and the FATALITIES are the proof!...Now say something!...Proof!...those are the numbers, how would you like to tasered?...oh, I would love an answer to that one, or your child, wife, mother, father?....please talk about your numbers now....your really pissing me off..its like your all for tasing people...then get tased, feel what it feels like, man....go ahead...you probably couldn't take it...
These are children! CHILDREN!.....I am really getting tired of your comments! You should listen to yourself, you make no sense....none...and, please I welcome any comments made to me, yes, that's right!
FreeSpiritRunning...

Sunday February 17, 2008, 11:29 am
It is not so much the weapons themselves that are dangerous anyway.To anyone concerned,it is the fact that the people who have one in theit hot little hand(weather it be the weapon talked about here,a gun or a knife,etc)that go crazy & out of control when they have them.It is a power trip on their part & it needs to stop!All weapons are just that weapons & if used properly(for protection only)are not dangerous,til they get in the wrong hands & the hands of people on power trips,who want to control everyone.It is they way they are used that makes Tasers or anyother weapon a threat to our lives & the lives of our loved ones.Think about that when you pass judgment on others about weapons of any kind being dangerous.It is up to us,the people,to control our emotions enough that nobody gts hurt or dies,because of being used for selfish purpose & not for protection

Sunday February 17, 2008, 11:53 am
Their are 2 other people that I have already told this to & it is the truth & people should be fair about it.Lauren,
WE in the U.S.A are not all the same & it is people who judge us all before they know us(us that have done nothing to people like you & others who judge us without even knowing us,they gets us very upset! The difference is,that their are some of us that believe in the one above enough to handle things in a way that we get our point accross with violence.Now you need to learn,that even though there are not as many,there are certain ones of us,who have a little more since,than to go off & start causing problems for no reason,those of us really do care.I myself am a big believer in GOD & try to take care of everyone I can,but only sometimes myself as well.That statement was uncalled for & I am hearing so much from others who do not even know me or my friends,that it is really starting to make me upset & then I just leave the picture,cause I will not be judged,when someone does not know me or my friends & family.It is not fair & that shows also how much of a shallow mind people( who judge without knowing somebody)really have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!people who come around after being told what I am telling you Lauren,will always be ok in my book,cause they understand that it is not rigt & if they think they said something to offend that person,they will let you know that was not their plan,but will tell you what they meant.Think about it,next time you judge someone you do not know

Sunday February 17, 2008, 12:27 pm
Stephen R, I am proud of you for speaking up about Bush!I myself knowhe has caused nothing but trouble,everywhere,since day 1 when he became,what he calls president.A sorry excuse for 1 if you ask me.I am with you all the way about Bush.It is nice to know there is someone out there who really knows what he has done & how much harm he has caused us all & uneccessisariy the military as ell,if he would have handled things right to begin with,about the war in Iraq.I am sooooooooooooo proud of you for speaking up,thank you sooooooooooooooooo much!
Shelly

Sunday February 17, 2008, 12:51 pm
T/Y ~w

Sunday February 17, 2008, 1:03 pm
And if one is being honest,many of those 220 are those in need of this,like it or not. They are not,you,me,their parents,their friends,they are there own self as a person,anit what ever,in need of being controled.
"Some" of these really are in fact,just as claim-accidents,for accidents for a fact do happen.
Police should have the taser as an option,but with what is now going on,& this presented as it has been,this is NOT RIGHT.
For what it is worth:between being shot& being knifed-you are more likely to be killed by the knife& those that do survie have a terriable life ahead of them,mostly&they too,worse than if they had ben shot.

Sunday February 17, 2008, 4:00 pm
I can understand that, kids are really dangerous and I am glad we are finally clamping down on them, babies too are deadly, those diapers contain toxins that can kill. Us adults have to keep the battle ground clean and get rid of these nuisances pronto. Saddle up and head for the battlefields, adults only!

Sunday February 17, 2008, 6:12 pm
Careful here Richard,as ther truely are& a fairly large number of them too,people totaly againest the contiued existance of any humans on any worlds,at any amounts.
More to the point,this too is acively hapening againest humands but useing worth as a gauge at least. Give it some time,it will become more obvious. Power does breed contempt.

Sunday February 17, 2008, 8:15 pm
Unfortunately, and I hate to say this, but parents here in the U.S. are not parenting their chiildren anymore. I've watched over the last many years, and parents give birth, and after their children get older, when they have not been nurtured and taught consequences, love and tolerance and those teenage years come along..the parents turn the kids loose to learn on their own. No boundries, no values, morality...no empathy...but instead apathy. Parentisn is just not done as it was in the past. Sometimes I get so angry when parents just fail to parent their kids....you see it everyday.

Sunday February 17, 2008, 9:04 pm
This is terrible a taser ,is a deadly weapon where a child is concerned !

Sunday February 17, 2008, 10:06 pm
this is disgusting and cruel to use a taser on a child. I am shocked.
Noted

Monday February 18, 2008, 9:51 am
Where have all the parents Gone......

Monday February 18, 2008, 10:14 am
Wolfweeps has not worked in or observed what is produced within the so called child protective system-far worse,though more intelligent,unfortunaely than the average problem child.
As documented by gov,a large percentage of the homeless,especialy the mentaly ill portion of the homeless are those dumped for whatever reason,usualy due to over their age limts toget them more gov money into gov.'s own hands,foster no longer childeren.thugh they still are mentaly,especaily from the give meX or else,as is my Right-which most they claim this way is not.

"Where have all the parents gone,:Gone to Tasers,Lasers,Guns &Cemeteries or lockups-everyone,except those that have learned,those that have given up,their marriages,families,Hope,Love& Life.

These gov.'s attack what Pamela would have parents do,as a crime.
Then cover this up& blame all but them,who are themselves a big Crime in & of themselves.

X-police science major. X-Consutional law minor,& more,& top it off,you follow the law,turning in,those doing wrong,stay to serve as the witness for gov.-& see what you get!

Monday February 18, 2008, 11:48 am
Ms O.

You don't know me. You know nothing about me, yet you make a statement as if you do.
How arrogant and judgemental. Where do you get off making such a statement when you know nothing about me? It must be nice to sit above from some lofty perch and presume to know me, and my life experience, and make such broad judgemental statement that has no basis in fact.
How utterly arrogant to make such statements about anyone here on Care 2.
You need to know people on an individual basis to have the "right" to make any judgemental statement.
Having such an arrogant attitude of others is not only wrong, but pretty damn assumptive.
You speak about me like I am some child when in fact I am not, and have not been for many years.
Not only do I know how the system works, I have had family in the system, and made victims of a system that is anti family.
Nothing makes me more angry than when someone questions my life experience as if I were some child when in fact I have raised my children into adulthood because of my life experiences. And I have taught them not to make such judgements and take such arrogant attitude about others as you have done about me.

Monday February 18, 2008, 1:34 pm
"Judge not, lest ye be judged!"

Monday February 18, 2008, 2:11 pm
#1 Wrong,look deeper for it's meaning,not that one not jusdge,but be ready to CHANGE one's opion later if given more facts. One can,should& must judge,to do anything. Spirit,without the work of ones hands,is worthless,per Bible.

#2 Wolfweeps is partialy correct-i do not know you,but i am willing to change& indeed,reviewing your home page,have,in some ways,though you do NOT want to relive those exspereances here in CA,a place that has shaped my own opion.

#3 Anti family-you can count on this-they are,to above the worm can top! But,to me,you "seemed" to me to imply you support them.

#4 I do agree,ther are parents that are beyond just terriable,& so i the so called system.

#5 Judgemental is not always being arrogant,a charge often lumped immeadately together.

#6 I did not imply nor mean you were or are a child. Those that are,may grow up quick in any CPS system,or not at all,the way they treat people.

#7 You & i may very well be actualy on the same side perhaps,becasue you are correct,there are TERRIABLE PARENTS,& they do in fact get away with MURDER,inculdeing those already inside these so called systems,& jusges may even know of it ahead of time-& do NOT A THING about it.

#8 I stand upon what i did say about gov refuseing to allow parents to parent their childeren,as they themselves have had the "Arrogance" to ADMIT openly. Which makes them a thief,takeing their paycheck for work they did not do,as well as the publics tax payer money in these programs.

#9 They did& do make tons of money from all sides of this equation& are also the ones that shape or outright write these laws,sometimes,in some ways,arbitrate these same laws,Judge all parties involved,including Judges,take childeren,hold childeren& place childeren,at their descretion. Theirs-since it is documented,their own refusal to follow a courts orders& sometimes even their own peoples orders.

Monday February 18, 2008, 2:25 pm
Parents can only teach the lies that hey were told.
What do you think Children are REBELLING FROM ?
''Schools'' pledge, allegiance and indoctrinate children into obedient servitude to the rulers of a Plantation.
Religions curse God and Curse God's Creation.
No child wants to live in the lies of these national and religious cults.
But where can children go where it is legal to be a Human Being ?
Those who wrote the laws to drive children into a life of perpetual deprivation and slavery should be the one's being jailed.

Monday February 18, 2008, 2:28 pm
I know all about what you are saying.My life was not the best with my family,especially my imediate familyBut even if parents were told lies from their parents,they should learn from others who know better,so they can properly teach their children right from wrong,good & bad & was is true & false

Monday February 18, 2008, 2:52 pm
"Here"many times-even if you as a parent Do teach just as a court orders,IT still wants to matain control,get it's monies,be respected,when things go well,but otherwise-look out!

Ca is so bad,it has in the past,be ORDERED to have the state take over some local programs,or the Federal gov would step in,& ONLY then did the state step in-for all of around 06months,then gives 05peaces of paper for a worker to do per child,three,were already required-&gave the same system back to the locals,with no oversight that one can see-neither gov enity has since said a thing.

Churcheanity is not being Religious nor Spritial,& should not be used to condem one for the other. Free choice as to if& which to follow,or none at all.

Monday February 18, 2008, 2:57 pm
MS O,I understand where you are coming from,It is justmy belief that if you beieve in GOD,he will(snce he died for us & our sins) thath can make you a better person,just by believing in him & having faith & knowing what he did for us all.

Monday February 18, 2008, 4:29 pm
SpiriTw/o the Work of ones own Hands,is worthless,per the Bible. One is,ones own self,both ones own Religions,Temple,partly&a portion of ones one Deity,though only one of other ways one might look at this.

Neither a person,nor a Deity ,is,or works,nor can be blamed for whatever,alone.

Tuesday February 19, 2008, 4:27 pm
Insanity! Britain now has it too! Idiots.

Friday February 22, 2008, 4:49 am
A Brit better say something in defence but this one sadly cant lol we Always have Mary. The trouble now is many of our teenagers sometimes carry knives and guns now and our liberal culture has gone to far with criminals rights- however i will admit our law has become corrupted by Law and justice appear two entirley different things. thanks Cate

Friday February 22, 2008, 5:47 am
I guess we can go back to spanking kids now... Just kidding..

Friday February 22, 2008, 10:59 am
Yes we should& should not ever have gone away from it just do not go overboard with it or anything else.
Disapline should start very small,with the MINIUM nessary for effect.
Once overly increased,it is extreemly hard to return at all,let alone,effectively to a lower level.
Yvonne spoke truth though,which as resulted in little or no peffective parenting as a parent needs to,becaus,by law,they can NOT-then it is they which recive this blame,which is not right.
Governments re makeing societies dependant upon them for all-while caiming governments have no requirements to serve anyone& people supposedly can not make government server their people-this is both documented& obviously not right-but they are getting away with it,as this is the current system.