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Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Habeas Corpus?


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Guantanamo, habeas corous, McCain, Supreme Court )

RC
- 2131 days ago - washingtonpost.com
McCain't, for one, along with a number of other Repugnicans. Now that the Supreme Court has afforded the right of habeas corpus to Guantanamo prisoners, right-wing fanatics are crying that the Supremes' decision will lead to the closure of the prison.



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RC deWinter (418)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 6:39 am
Close Guantanamo? What a refreshingly humane idea! I work in the Habeas Corpus Unit of the Office of the Cief Public Defender of the state of Connecticut. I KNOW how important it is that prisoners be able to challenge their custody in court. Sure, we get a number of specious, false claims, and habeas cases are notoriously hard to win. But for every 99 that get shot down, rightfully or not, that 100th case that frees an innocent person from prison is worth all time, paperwork and money it costs for the other 99. I applaud the Supreme Court for poking this miserable administration in the eye and allowing Guantanamo prisoners to right to confront their jailers in court.
As for McCain't, here's a related story:
McCain Applauded for Opposition to Court Decision on Guantanamo Bay
 

Kathy Chadwell (371)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 7:05 am
Let's be honest and call it what it is. It's a death camp.
what are they so afraid of? If these people are who they say they are then they have no worries. I imagine myself in such a position and unable to let others know I'm there, alive, needing help, or most of all INNOCENT:(
Yes Cate, it has been months girl:) Glad to see you back with us.
 

Cher C. (1461)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 7:11 am

Welcome back Cate!!

Noted!

Thnx!!
 

Michelle P. (262)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 7:16 am
Wouldn't the closure of the 'prison' be a good thing? Guantanamo is a disgrace! The sooner we get our heads out of our asses and start actually upholding the Constitution, the better!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 7:42 am
good to have you back cate...noted...:)
 

Hans L. (958)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 7:48 am
Welcome back Grace!
Guantanamo is a very dark chapter in the US history 700 people in Prison without a fair trial no without any trial! Its about time that JUSTICE IS DONE! I could not believe that other countries use the same tricks as the US call people terrorists and you can do anything! Like the AUSTRIAN Government is showing right now. The 10 animal activists are no terrorists but they are treated as if they belong to Al Quaida!
 

Faith M. (167)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 7:51 am
Great to see you Cate!Great Post- Blessings!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 7:54 am
Welcome back Cate! You have been missed..Thank you for the e mail and forwarding it to friends..noted...great piece here.
 

Laurie W. (189)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 7:55 am
Something the next administration will have to deal with.....no surprises there.A message of fear sold this idea ....common sense and justice for those presumed innocent until proven guilty NOW.
Thanks Cate
 

Soledad Posac (60)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 7:57 am
Noted, thanks
 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 8:00 am
CNN has been saying for years that Guantanamo should be closed, and even the DoD has suggest the same, but will they in light of the Suprem's descion to grant habeas corpus to the detainees? Scalia, Roberts, and Mukasey as well as Herr Bush/Cheney hate the courts ruling, and are working as we post here to find a way aroung the ruling. How dare they go against Herr Bush and allow detainees the right to challenge their detention. The court did not rule that all detainees be released forth wit, but rather have the right to challenge their detention, a far cry from actually being released. This ruling only applies to "enemy combatants" and not those who are charged with war crimes. Those who have been charged with war crimes will be tried by a military tribunal, but Herr Bush wants all detainees tried by the military. Too bad the military did not try him for desertion while he in the TANG and went AWOL to campiagn for daddy's elecetion. I guess money does talk and BS certainly does walk. Herr Bush was AWOL during the Vietnam War, and that makes it Treason. But daddy had pull with the Texas Air National Guard and paid out some serious cash money to get Jr an Honarable Discharge when he should have got a less than Honarable Discharge, which would have been a general discharge, which could have prevented him for being elected governor of Texas.

Anyone see the movie Hang Em High??
 

RC deWinter (418)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 8:07 am
Good points, Stephen...we as a country have strayed far from our original good intentions..but you know, what is the name of that road anyway? LOL
 

Just Carole (341)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 8:49 am

We missed your submissions, Cate -- big welcome back hug. And yes, this is a disgrace to this country, as well as a violation of human rights and the principles America is supposed to stand for.

Anyone who hasn't done so is encouraged to sign the pledge at Amnesty International's site:
http://www.tearitdown.org/todo.php
 

Lana S. (375)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 9:03 am
Noted, Welcome Back, Cate!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 9:13 am
Welcome back and thank you for posting this Cate.
 

Carla H. (104)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 9:17 am
Who's afraid?? The same poeple who are always afraid of the rule of law...criminals!
 

Pat B. (351)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 9:26 am
Cate..it's so good to see you back! WELCOME...as always, noted, and passed on. thankx! ;-)
 

Timothy Brown (1)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 10:17 am
I think we should keep it open at least until George Bush, Cheney, and the rest of their right wing fascists serve their time in isolation and in stress positions. Oh, and keep the garden hose handy.
 

. (0)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 10:21 am
welcome back cate noted
 

Marian E. (152)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 10:22 am

You came back with a bang! Great post and I hope like hell good news. Bushco doesn't give up easily and it wouldn't surprise me if Georgie declares some kind of executive order to try and overrule the Supremes. Not possible? Never underestimate Cheney and his ability to convince Bush of anything. We may be looking at a "Mexican Standoff" between the Executive Branch and the Judicial Branch.

Welcome back to the fun Cate, LOL!!!
 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 10:23 am
I STAND TO BE CORRECTED:
This gives me the opportunity to correct a couple of messages that I posted the other day regarding McCain's place of birth. I shot an e-mail to a friend of mine who wrote back to me to let me know that there was a Submarince Base in Coco Solo, Panama Canal Zone, but she could not verify for certain that McCain was actually born on base. Even if he was I'm still not certain that would make him a U.S.Citizen. The base had to be built with the permission of the Panamanian government or it would not have been built. She also told me the only reason she knows the base existed during World War II in that area was because her uncle was stationed on the base. Other than that I still can't find any information that John McCain was born on base.
Since it was Rep. Ron Paul who exposed McCain and his birth place, I can't seem to find a reason why Ron Paul would mislead us in anyway. He has always been outstanding, espeically with his opposition to the proposed North American Union that I mentioned in my last posts. And Rep. Ron Paul has also been outspoken for going against the Herr Bush administration as far back as I can remember. I watched a 3 hr. presentation he made on C-Span where he blasted Herr Bush for his policies even before he attacked Iraq. That was the breaking point for Ron Pual. And he's been on Herr Bush's back ever since, and for that reason he found that his district had been changed in 2002 to one that was predominately black and where no one really knew who he was. Even though he was a victim of Tom Delay's redistricting plan he still beat his rival in the election. That blew the hard-core Reugnicans away big time. They never thought he had a chance of winning his seat back. Surprise, surprise. Although I did not post that there indeed was a Submarine base in Coco Solo, Panama Canal Zone, it still does not prove that McCain was borh on base. I have continued to search every data base available for my perusal; I still cannot find concrete proof other than the fact that Herr McCain was born in the Canal Zone on the day and date I previously posted. However, I do apalogize for not knowing about the Naval base...
 

Mary H. (47)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 10:25 am
Welcome back Cate -- ty for posting...to think the USA will be noted for using torture & illegal prisonment in history saddens my soul...Geneva convention should be recognized & adhered to as well as our constitution!
 

Victoria Chapman (53)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 10:35 am
The detainees in Guantanamo, no matter what the military or political fear factors implied for their "kidnapping" are still human beings. We as American citizens have morals and rights just as any other human life and by continuing the existence of such a derogatory, desolate and secretive operation of Guantanamo only lessens the publics opinion of who we truly are... I am thankful that at least some wisdom outweighed a fascists fear mongering in the supreme court for the greater good of all humanity.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 10:49 am
Gitmo Ruling Enters The Election:'One Of The Worst Decisions' In History
 

Merry L. (74)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 10:52 am
Noted and happy, as it should have NEVER OPENED! Glad to "see"you Cate. A big hug and WELCOME.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 11:40 am
welcome back Cate :) and back with a SPLASH! smiles
 

Melissa Chapman (284)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 11:41 am
Noted with much interest! (SOOOO good to see you back!!!!)
 

Nancy M. (62)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 12:01 pm
Hey Cate! Welcome back! :-)
 

Susan L. (118)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 12:34 pm
Welcom back, Cate. Noted.
 

Gail L. (30)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 12:38 pm
So glad your back, you have been miss by all of us.
 

Eyes O. (411)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 2:01 pm
Hey Cate, great to see you back!! Murderers hate when you take their guns, and torturers hate when you take their pliers. The ONLY reason Gitmo should stay open, is for those who opened it!! It's not a prison, it's a Camp run by terrorists, and that should be obvious to everyone by now...well, except for idiots that is.
 

Joycey B. (750)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 2:15 pm
So glad your back Cate and with a front page story. Noted with thanks.
 

Elle J. (282)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 2:26 pm
Welcome back! Great story. I made a rather strong comment in the Washington Post regarding this story. I couldn't believe that GWB said he wanted the prison closed but couldn't figure out how to do it. No surpise that he couldn't figure it out. Lindsey Graham is afraid the detainees are going to bring attention to the people about the food, conditiions, etc. Afraid? Isn't that the way the Bush Bunch has attempted to keep us in line? With fear tactics? I think that all of this administration and their minions should have to spend a week in "Gitmo" under the same conditions. LOL If you think of this country as a car in drive and you are about to go over a cliff, a person with good sense would put the car in reverse to avoid the mishap. Unfortunately, we have had no one in the White House for the last 7+ years that had sense enough to put the damn car in reverse and now our country is teetering on disaster. Let's hope we can get a fresh start on January 20, 2009. Let's make it happen!!
 

Karen M. (176)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 2:50 pm
Cathy's back, yay!!!

Good that it may close. I'm interested in following this, for sure.
 

Lisa Gabriel (252)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 3:01 pm
Good to see you back girl!
 

. (0)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 6:39 pm
Welcome back Cate !!! Thanks so much for posting this. HUGE hugs Carol
 

Jim Phillips (3205)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 7:57 pm
"Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) today decried Thursday's Supreme Court ruling granting foreign terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay the right to challenge their detention in civilian courts, which he called "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

The worst decision ever made by the Supreme Court, in modern times, was the appointment of bush as president. Guess old McSame forgot about "that one"... McSame suffers from CRS...

Welcome back and good to See Ya Cate and thank you for this article.

 

Pauline Houzard (115)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 9:10 pm
Welcome back Cate, Noted, with great interest,thanks
 

Lyn Z. (297)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 10:08 pm
Welcome back Cate =
I see your time away has definitely refreshed you!!
Big hugs for the post.
 

Denice G. (45)
Saturday June 14, 2008, 10:55 pm
Noted Nice to see you back
 

Bill McGlone (103)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 12:38 am
Hi Cate! Glad your helping (as usual) to take on McShame and the rest of the BASTARDS that keep on F*****G with us and our Constitution!I don't want to write anything TOO controversial because ATT and the rest are spying and listening to every thing we all say "looking for terrorists" in every American household and proably every American school from child-care up.Expect them to try to get the childre to turn in their parents,not to mention siblings and friends.Don't y'all love the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, FBI,CIA. Thank you Dumbacrats for stopping the Repugnicansin overthrowing our American RIGHTS that the used to be Constitution gave us.BTW: Love the Office of Public Defender. Used their services many times!
 

Blacktiger P. (247)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 1:19 am
Welcome back Cate, and ditto to all of the above. Anything that Bush has put his name to has been nothing but ashes in the wind.All the soldiers who have passed, ashes!,all the citizens of invaded countries killed, ashes!, all the prisoners held incognito in all the secret places, ashes! Demand Habeas Corpus!!!!
 

Darlene K. (367)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 1:32 am
Wonderful news to come back with Cate, and very happy to note it. Love your spirit, and I am using that "McCain't"....lol..., I like it. Much Love hun...Namaste, Dar
 

Bill McGlone (103)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 3:37 am
"McCain"t", "McShame", "McLame".."A rose by any name would....."
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 5:05 am
Welcome back Cate!
You realy seem to have the old spirit!
You are one of the VSOP Members here in Care2!
Guantanamo will there be JUSTICE?
I hope so!
 

David Gould (155)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 5:56 am
Nice to see you back Cate...we have missed your news items here!

Habeas Corpus indeed. This is the best news we have had for nearly seven years. If this Concentration Camp is closed does that mean the US will think about closing other Concentration Camps that it runs arround the globe...or will they just transfer the luckless ones overseas. I have me doots. Still one step forward is always welcome.
 

Trudi Reijnders (242)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 7:13 am
Great to see you back Cate,and it's clear you didn't loose the touch of submitting articles which we're all interested in.
 

Gregory S. (257)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 8:03 am
Thank you Kate
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 8:34 am
Noted and welcome back !
 

Dee C. (23)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 12:17 pm
Wonderful to see you back Cate..
Noted..
 

Rob S. (112)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 7:09 pm
Noted and WELCOME back CATE
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 8:29 pm

Welcome back, Cate. As I understand it, the Supreme Court restored habeus corpus twice before, and both times Congress made new laws to get rid of it again.

Habeus corpus is a right we enjoyed even under the tyrant King George our ancestors found so oppressive that they fought a revolution for independence from him. It dates back to the Magna Carta of the 1600's. No country can eliminate habeus corpus and still expect anyone to believe it is a democracy.

They are both equally complicit, the Supreme Court that installed Bush, and Congress that has given him whatever wanted. But anyone who still puts any trust in the Supreme Court OR Congress after what they've done, or thinks that they might change or improve somehow, should be checked out by a shrink for battered spouse syndrome. They are too accustomed to power and that power will corrupt anyone who joins them.

An unelected Supreme Court is not acceptable in a democracy. An unaccountable Congress is not acceptable in a republic. This is a tyranny.

 

Bill McGlone (103)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 10:05 pm
Muskets anyone?
 

Gorilly Girl (339)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 10:07 pm
Na I can use me bow and arrows if thats okay with you Bill...LOL

Big Gorilly Hugs
 

Bill McGlone (103)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 10:14 pm
Whatever works is fine Stephanie! In fact David was quite effective with a slingshot..little monkey bumps to you...lol
 

Pastor Tim Redfern (599)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 11:12 pm
I'm armed and ready to go, Bill.
Just say the word.

Cate, O Mystickal Enchantress,
such a delight to see you back
amongst us, dear lady!
noted :-))

btw, Mark, the Magna Charta
was 13th Century, the 1200's,
signed by King John, I believe.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 15, 2008, 11:17 pm

Thanks, Tim. I stand corrected. It probably has even earlier precedents -- people would just naturally tend to be concerned about a tyrant grabbing anyone they wanted and holding them indefinitely without charge or trial.

That just shouldn't happen in any "civilized" society.
 

Michael Sandstrom (306)
Monday June 16, 2008, 3:20 am
TY Cate, and the vote was 5 to 4. Hummm just 1 vote difference, Thank God Bush has NOT appointed ALL of the Judges yet, hopefully McCain wont get the chance to appoint Judges (he likes the sames ones the King likes). I guess King George coudn't buy that one vote he needed and his followers could not help him. I still think these High court Judges should be elected by us...
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 16, 2008, 5:42 am

Agreed, Michael. But if Obama becomes President and gets any Supreme Court appointments, he'll have to be very careful who he appoints. Since he will be continuing the war on terror, he will need to use mercenaries, torture, etc. He will not want to give up any of the powers of a unitary presidency. So he'll have to appoint a conservative who will not vote to restore habeus corpus unless they're absolutely sure there are enough votes in Congress to get rid of it again. Continuing the war in Afghanistan alone is a war crime, and Obama is committed to that. So he'll need a Supreme Court that will not rule his power to commit crimes against humanity unconstitutional.

There may be differences between McCain and Obama on issues such as abortion, guns, gays, etc., but when it comes to crimes against humanity, wars of aggression, their platforms are identical. Not that many Americans care about a mere eight million innocent Afghans and Iraqis already slaughtered in our wars of aggression--after all that's only two million more than the Jews claimed Hitler killed in his concentration camps. Can't let little things like that stop you from exercising your right to vote in a rigged election for the war criminal of your choice.

We've gotten away with it so far. Maybe we'll have a thousand year reich. Maybe our children and grandchildren will never have to pay the price. Maybe we can continue the genocides indefinitely. I wouldn't bet on it, but Obama, McCain, and a lot of voters are.
 

Sheila K. (127)
Monday June 16, 2008, 7:34 am
WELCOME BACK CATE!!! YOU WERE DEARLY MISSED BY ME!!
 

Bill McGlone (103)
Monday June 16, 2008, 9:41 am
GOOD NEWS!!! Prince William just Knighted by his Mum in the Order of the Garter!Anyone besides me see that the Revolution FAILED and we should return to the Crown??
 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Monday June 16, 2008, 9:50 am
bill do you mean his grandmother the queen .........
 

Bill McGlone (103)
Monday June 16, 2008, 12:47 pm
Yep. Granny Queenie.
 

Dianne G. (95)
Monday June 16, 2008, 3:27 pm
Welcome Back Cate!! Folks, less have a little hope...since the Dems were too chicken to go ahead with impeachment when they became the majority (too bad they couldn't see this would help them nail the Presidential election - not hurt them). Let's just hope that we can watch Bush/Cheney and the entire Administration rot in jail!!
 

Manuel Duarte (1005)
Tuesday June 17, 2008, 4:02 am
Thanks Cate G!
 
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